---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/03/04: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 PM - Recreational Pilots Restrictions in control airspace (RICHARD HUTSON) 2. 04:36 PM - Test (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 3. 06:55 PM - My first flight (randy bortree) 4. 08:44 PM - Any Kitfox owners in Greece? (Jay Fabian) 5. 09:26 PM - N24ZM :( (VFT@aol.com) 6. 09:35 PM - Re: N24ZM :( I flew this plane... (Aerobatics@aol.com) 7. 10:16 PM - Space Flight (jareds) 8. 10:41 PM - Re: N24ZM :( (Don Pearsall) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:27 PM PST US From: "RICHARD HUTSON" Subject: Kitfox-List: Recreational Pilots Restrictions in control airspace --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" From http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/sportpilot.cfm there was talk sometime ago about these restrictions. I found this on Sportys web site and thought I would pass it along. This is reprinted without Mr. Shevers permission, hope doesn't mind Breaking News! Effective September 1, 2004 Congratulations to EAA and AOPA on the Sport Pilot Certificate. The Sport Pilot represents the fun and purity of flight which is exactly what Sporty's has always believed in. What a victory for general aviation to now have this level of certification making access to recreational flying less restrictive and cumbersome without compromising safety. I have to admit I had my doubts whether the "driver's license medical standard" would make it through the rulemaking process after being denied as part of the original Recreational certification proposal back in 1989 and then denied again through an AOPA proposal just within the past year. Although it took more than 20 years of debate, it's finally here. The naysayers claim a compromise in safety. History and statistics have said otherwise. The fact is that a pilot's medical condition is seldom the cause of an accident so I hope the FAA will honor their agreement to reexamine the driver's license medical standard for the Recreational pilot after definitive history and data is established through the Sport Pilot Certificate. While the driver's license medical standard has deservedly received much of the attention in the new Sport Pilot rule, there has also been an amendment to FAR 61.101 which expands the functionality of the Recreational certificate and for the first time, makes it a legitimate, viable training option for any pilot at any airport. Current regulations prohibit a Recreational pilot from operating in airspace requiring communications with ATC unless the pilot has received the necessary training and endorsement from an instructor AND is operating as the sole occupant of the aircraft for the purpose of obtaining an additional certificate or rating. This restriction has made the Recreational certificate useless at any towered field. As a result, most flight schools in the country have ignored the option of training pilots to Recreational standards first, and focused strictly on the Private pilot certificate which takes nearly 70 hours of training on average to complete. Flight Schools, including the one we operate at Clermont County/Sporty's Airport, were losing a lot of students short of their goal of a Private pilot due to the time, expense, and challenge of meeting the training requirements of the Private pilot. We quickly found out that many of the students who wanted to begin flight training with us desired a Private pilot certificate, however, after a few questions we realized they only wanted to exercise privileges afforded to a Recreational pilot. For those who really wanted to pursue the Private pilot certificate, the Recreational certificate served as a more attainable, short-term stepping stone toward the Private certificate and they are reaching the Private level in less than the 70 hour average. Most importantly, retention rates have reached over 90%. What flight school wouldn't want the benefits this training offers? The amended version of FAR 61.101 allows everyone to enjoy these benefits and open recreational flying to more and more people. It takes away the requirement of being the sole occupant on board the aircraft and training toward an additional certificate or rating. In short, a recreational pilot is permitted to operate in airspace requiring communications as long as the necessary training is accomplished and endorsement received. The recreational certificate is now available to everyone at any airport. This development is quite significant. The Sport Pilot will be a great opportunity for those flying a Cub, Taylorcraft, Luscombe, or an experimental that satisfies the Sport Aircraft requirement; however, there are a lot of flight schools not operating Sport Aircraft but are operating aircraft that meet the Recreational pilot restrictions. For these operators, this development is a way to take advantage of the purpose of Sport Pilot - to make recreational flying available to more people at less expense and less hassle. We can all do our part for general aviation by making the most of this opportunity. Hal Shevers Founder/Chairman ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:41 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Just formated computer and I see no action. Maybe the list is taking a break. No response needed do not archive Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:45 PM PST US From: "randy bortree" Subject: Kitfox-List: My first flight --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "randy bortree" I Flew my Kit Fox I Today. every thing worked perfect. I bought it last week and it took a few days to get it home and checked out. It has a mosler 60 hp engine on it. I flew it for about 45 minutes And shot some landings. I only did wheel landings so far. looks like it gets off the ground in less then 300 ft. rolls out in about 300 ft with no brakes. I can't tell if it used any fuel if it did it was not much, I am looking forward to many hours of flying in this old bird. Randy in NC randy bortree plane6013@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:47 PM PST US From: "Jay Fabian" Subject: Kitfox-List: Any Kitfox owners in Greece? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" Hi, Are there any Kitfox or other pilots in Greece out there? I have a relative that lives there and wants to start learning to fly. I will be taking him for a ride in my Kitfox-4 soon, and he just wants more info about a pilots lic. from over seas than I know about. Any info will help. You can contact me off line if you want. thanks in advance Jay Fabian ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:32 PM PST US From: VFT@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: N24ZM :( --> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com Well, N24ZM is bent, a victim of hurricane Jeanne. Most of the T hanger doors came off in the storm and the wind blew out all of the interior sheet metal of the hangers. A lot of this landed on top of our poor KitFox. At first I thought the damage was only to the fabric and flaperons but after measuring things something is definitely out of whack. The top of the vertical fin is pushed over to the left about an inch, The rudder stops and rod ends are bent, and the right wing is about an inch and a half low when measured at the strut fittings. The airplane is insured but I'm finding it almost impossible to get anyone to come look at it and give me an estimate on repairs. I do not have the time or facilities available to do the work myself. The four shops a talked to had a two year waiting list before the recent storms. If anyone knows of a quality shop please contact me off line or call me at 407-687-3126. -- Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:47 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: N24ZM :( I flew this plane... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com May be the Best KF I ever saw anywhere This breaks my heart to see .. Dave ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:22 PM PST US From: jareds Subject: Kitfox-List: Space Flight --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds If you haven't had a chance to see Discovery channels Burt Routan space flight...........GO OUT OF YOUR WAY. Nothing more inspiring!!! AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > >Just formated computer and I see no action. Maybe the list is taking a >break. No response needed > >do not archive >Don Smythe > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:41 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: N24ZM :( --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Danny, I am sure sorry about your beautiful KF. That is terrible. I hope the insurance company treats you well. Were other planes on the field damaged (I know, dumb question). As for repairs, have the insurance company fly John McBean down there. I am sure he would do a great job. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VFT@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: N24ZM :( --> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com Well, N24ZM is bent, a victim of hurricane Jeanne. Most of the T hanger doors came off in the storm and the wind blew out all of the interior sheet metal of the hangers. A lot of this landed on top of our poor KitFox. At first I thought the damage was only to the fabric and flaperons but after measuring things something is definitely out of whack. The top of the vertical fin is pushed over to the left about an inch, The rudder stops and rod ends are bent, and the right wing is about an inch and a half low when measured at the strut fittings. The airplane is insured but I'm finding it almost impossible to get anyone to come look at it and give me an estimate on repairs. I do not have the time or facilities available to do the work myself. The four shops a talked to had a two year waiting list before the recent storms. If anyone knows of a quality shop please contact me off line or call me at 407-687-3126. -- Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory