---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/06/04: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - A friend of mine had an engine feliure in his Quick (Rex & Jan Shaw) 2. 12:44 AM - Rex -- where are you in OZ???? (Rex & Jan Shaw) 3. 12:51 AM - Do you know anyone in the military there? They (Rex & Jan Shaw) 4. 04:43 AM - Re: Hirth (off topic) (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 5. 04:49 AM - Re: Do you know anyone in the military there? They (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 6. 05:42 AM - Cockpit Noise Reduction (Gill Levesque) 7. 06:14 AM - Cockpit Noise Reduction Re: Cockpit Noise (Harris, Robert) 8. 06:15 AM - Re: Cockpit Noise Reduction (Marc Arseneault) 9. 06:59 AM - Re: Rotax 914 UL Oil (Lowell Fitt) 10. 07:00 AM - Re: Cockpit Noise Reduction (David Savener) 11. 07:48 AM - Re: Cockpit Noise Reduction (STEPHEN ZAKRESKI) 12. 11:14 AM - Re: Hirth (off topic) (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 13. 02:02 PM - Hangar door (Randy Daughenbaugh) 14. 02:08 PM - Re: Hangar door (LeRoy staley) 15. 03:35 PM - Re: Hangar door (Larry Huntley) 16. 05:02 PM - Ultimate Door (David Savener) 17. 05:16 PM - Re: Hangar door (Dee Young) 18. 05:32 PM - Re: Do you know anyone in the military there? They (Jerry Liles) 19. 05:46 PM - Re: Hangar door (Randy Daughenbaugh) 20. 05:46 PM - Re: Hangar door (Randy Daughenbaugh) 21. 05:58 PM - Re: Hangar door (Bob Unternaehrer) 22. 06:03 PM - Re: Cockpit Noise Reduction (dwight purdy) 23. 07:20 PM - Re: Hangar door (Bob Unternaehrer) 24. 08:24 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 10/05/04 (tygon tubing link) (Stu Bryant) 25. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: VG's, flight testing - to be continued (kurt schrader) 26. 10:45 PM - Re: Re: Wing strut fairing tests (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:07 AM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: A friend of mine had an engine feliure in his Quick --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" A friend of mine had an engine feliure in his Quick Silver GT500 two weeks ago. He uses Castrol TTS (full syntetic) Probably the problem was caused by water absorbtion. Synthetic can do this. Some oils are part synthetic and part mineral to stop the problem. Synthetic oils are very good in use but not standing idle. Maybe some later ones do things to help I don't really know but my Kart racing experience tells me we all needed to flush the motor after a meeting and run to normal temp on mineral oil or we got lots of bearing failures. Hope this helps, otherwise I can only suggest asking the oil companies or testing in a jar in the shed, Rex. PS I know a lot of people won't accept this but if you doubt it at least check it out. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:05 AM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rex -- where are you in OZ???? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Rex -- where are you in OZ???? No I'm in Berri in The Riverland in Sth Aust. but if I stay desperate I could possibly get it freighed from Newcastle. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:33 AM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Do you know anyone in the military there? They --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Do you know anyone in the military there? They probably use 5606 in their aircraft and might have a few extra CC's for you. Thanks for the tip. I already found that out actually but I don't think it is much help to me. I know Aircraft Spruce have it and they have a new agent here in Australia but he only gets a container of goodies over about every six weeks and I like flying too much to wait that long. I'm actually hoping to hear the idea of automatic transmission fluid is OK although being able to get Aeroshell locally would be the best answer. Cheers Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:46 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth (off topic) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Do Not Archive << Are they 2703 or 3202 model, electric or recoil start and what is the gear ratio of the gear box. >> I think 2703's. I will look in the box today and get all the other data. Don't recall seeing a gear box attached but I have a box full of them too. If you might be interested, contact me off list. If anyone might be interested, please contact me off list. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:47 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Do you know anyone in the military there? They --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 10/6/04 12:52:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rexjan@bigpond.com writes: << to hear the idea of automatic transmission fluid is OK although being able to get Aeroshell locally would be the best answer. Cheers Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com >> Rex, I would think that local airports would have gallons laying around to perform maintenance on general aviation??? Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:36 AM PST US From: Gill Levesque Subject: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Hi All, I now have 68hrs. in C-IGVL ,a model 4 -1050 with 582! I love it!!!!! (Someday Iwill post pics!!!) However the cockpit noise level is so high that my intercom is on all the time(vox) and transmits engine noise into the headsets!! I have tried a Flightcom,Softcom and Avcom as well as different headsets!!! I have carpet on the floor,and carpet on the sides of the boot cowl!( nothing on the lower firewall yet!!! ) What else can I do to soundproof!! Will an add on exhaust silencer help?? What about coating the inside of the whole cowl with some kind of sounproofing material??? Any ideas are appriciated!! Gil Levesque C-IGVL Ontario ,Canada Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:39 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Reduction Subject: Cockpit Noise Reduction RE: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" You may need to try a Lynx or a Bose headset with earplugs. My 582 has soundproof on both sides of the firewall and it's still very loud. I flew in a KF with a 912 the other day and it was loud too. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Levesque Subject: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Hi All, I now have 68hrs. in C-IGVL ,a model 4 -1050 with 582! I love it!!!!! (Someday Iwill post pics!!!) However the cockpit noise level is so high that my intercom is on all the time(vox) and transmits engine noise into the headsets!! I have tried a Flightcom,Softcom and Avcom as well as different headsets!!! I have carpet on the floor,and carpet on the sides of the boot cowl!( nothing on the lower firewall yet!!! ) What else can I do to soundproof!! Will an add on exhaust silencer help?? What about coating the inside of the whole cowl with some kind of sounproofing material??? Any ideas are appriciated!! Gil Levesque C-IGVL Ontario ,Canada Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:08 AM PST US From: "Marc Arseneault" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" Hi Gil, I had the same problem and purchased a Sigtronics High noise P/N SP-22N and it solved my problems. It would also help to have the intercom connected direct instead of running on the batteries. Have you got a bulb seal around the firewall? Besides this, that is about all you can do unless you install a firewall blanket but make sure it is fire resistant. Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada From: Gill Levesque canpilot03@yahoo.ca Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:42:11 -0400 (EDT) -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque canpilot03@yahoo.ca Hi All, I now have 68hrs. in C-IGVL ,a model 4 -1050 with 582! I love it!!!!! (Someday Iwill post pics!!!) However the cockpit noise level is so high that my intercom is on all the time(vox) and transmits engine noise into the h Don't just Search. Find! The new MSN Search: Fast. Clear. Easy. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:33 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 914 UL Oil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" More info on oil selection.. At the Rotax seminar at Oshkosh this summer, Eric Tucker explained the Rotax oil recommendations list. He said that EPA requirements necessitated the removal of certain additives that were previously used as anti foaming agents. Some oils were then determined to be unsatisfactory for use in Rotax 912 and 914 series engines. Included in the no longer approved list was the Motul 5200 I had previously been using - he specifically mentioned this fact. The foaming issue was also the impetus for the change in dip sticks that would result in a higher reserve in the oil tank - more clear oil under the foam layer. His advice to 912 and 914 users would be to stick to the Rotax recommended list. The simple advice to use a good quality oil with gear additive apparently no longer applies. Rotax is constantly testing the various oils on the market and the approved list will change in time. All this is according to Eric Tucker Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 914 UL Oil > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Don, Check the following link for the Rotax recommendations. The gearbox > oil is the same as the crank case oil. That is the reason Rotax recommends a > gear additive in their engine oils. > http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm > > Lowell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 914 UL Oil > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > > > Bob Robertson and all, > > I need the recommended engine oil for a 914 UL. Also need the > recommended gear box oil. > > > > Thanks, > > Don Smythe > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:10 AM PST US From: "David Savener" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:59:45 -0500 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" I've never heard of "bulb seal around the firewall". Could you explain what it is? I am uncomfortable with my airplane's seal(almost nonexistent) that should slow an engine fire's invasion of the cabin!! Dave Savener ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Arseneault To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" > Hi Gil, I had the same problem and purchased a Sigtronics High noise P/N SP-22N and it solved my problems. It would also help to have the intercom connected direct instead of running on the batteries. Have you got a bulb seal around the firewall? Besides this, that is about all you can do unless you install a firewall blanket but make sure it is fire resistant. Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada From: Gill Levesque canpilot03@yahoo.ca Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:42:11 -0400 (EDT) -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque canpilot03@yahoo.ca Hi All, I now have 68hrs. in C-IGVL ,a model 4 -1050 with 582! I love it!!!!! (Someday Iwill post pics!!!) However the cockpit noise level is so high that my intercom is on all the time(vox) and transmits engine noise into the h Don't just Search. Find! The new MSN Search: Fast. Clear. Easy. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:21 AM PST US From: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI Before you spend money, check to make sure your microphone is pointed in the right direction under the muff. SteveZ Calgary ----- Original Message ----- From: Gill Levesque Subject: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque > > Hi All, > > I now have 68hrs. in C-IGVL ,a model 4 -1050 with 582! I love > it!!!!! (Someday Iwill post pics!!!) > > However the cockpit noise level is so high that my intercom is on > all the time(vox) and transmits engine noise into the headsets!! I > have tried a Flightcom,Softcom and Avcom as well as different > headsets!!!I have carpet on the floor,and carpet on the sides of > the boot cowl!( nothing on the lower firewall yet!!! ) > What else can I do to soundproof!! Will an add on exhaust silencer > help?? What about coating the inside of the whole cowl with some > kind of sounproofing material??? Any ideas are appriciated!! > > Gil Levesque > C-IGVL > Ontario ,Canada > > > > Still alive and flyin!!!! > > Gil > > > --------------------------------- > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ======================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:39 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth (off topic) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com >Are they 2703 or 3202 model, electric or recoil start and what is the gear >ratio of the gear box. Richard, They are the 2703 models with recoil start. Includes complete exhaust system, dual Bing 54 carbs, dual ignition, fuel pump, (2) single carb air filter and plugs. I have two 1:2.97 ratio gear boxes (type GK40.296US) that are not in the boxes with the new engines. They look new but have no idea whether they are used or what the condition might be. They turn OK. The boss wants $1K for each engine and $150. for a gear boxes (OBO). I have nothing personal to do with selling these engines. Just trying to help the boss. However, I would never get involved and tell a fellow pilot something that is not to the absolute best of my knowledge. Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:59 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? It looks pretty good to me, but would like a reference. I think it used to be called the EAA door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay across the top of the doorway where it is centered in and out. Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:17 PM PST US From: LeRoy staley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley Where can I find info on this door LeRoy --- Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy > Daughenbaugh" > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? > It looks pretty good > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used > to be called the EAA > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay > across the top of the > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:28 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" Randy, I built a 40' X 11' Ultimate Door 8 yrs ago and it has performed perfectly. You can buy the plans only or the plans and metal parts prefabed. I fabricated all my own parts. I'm cheap! I have no power,so I use a counterweight and an old iron wheel w/ a crank handle and can lift it w/ one hand easily. It faces East and is all translucent panels,so it doubles as a morning heater. I looked at a lot of hangar doors,and built this one. Larry Huntley,Kitfox 4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Hangar door > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? It looks pretty good > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used to be called the EAA > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay across the top of the > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:31 PM PST US From: "David Savener" Subject: Kitfox-List: Ultimate Door Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:01:30 -0500 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" http://ultimatedoor.homestead.com/ultimate.html Here is the website address for the Ultimate Door. They are located in Wisconsin(I think) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:17 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" You might also look at the Sweiss Door, they are excellant Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: LeRoy staley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley Where can I find info on this door LeRoy --- Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy > Daughenbaugh" > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? > It looks pretty good > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used > to be called the EAA > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay > across the top of the > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:05 PM PST US From: Jerry Liles Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Do you know anyone in the military there? They --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles The alternative is to purge the brakes of the original brake fluid and replace it with a silicone based automotive brake fluid. The buna rubber seals are compatible with silicone but not with standard automotive brake fluid. The advantages of the silicone fluid is it is not hygroscopic and will never need replacing. I'm a bit dubious of using transmission fluid, but it might work just fine. Jerry Liles Rex & Jan Shaw wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > >Do you know anyone in the military there? They >probably use 5606 in their aircraft and might have a >few extra CC's for you. > >Thanks for the tip. I already found that out actually but I don't think it >is much help to me. I know Aircraft Spruce have it and they have a new agent >here in Australia but he only gets a container of goodies over about every >six weeks and I like flying too much to wait that long. I'm actually hoping >to hear the idea of automatic transmission fluid is OK although being able >to get Aeroshell locally would be the best answer. > >Cheers Rex. >rexjan@bigpond.com > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:46 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Larry, Thanks much for the info! That is what I needed! Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Huntley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" Randy, I built a 40' X 11' Ultimate Door 8 yrs ago and it has performed perfectly. You can buy the plans only or the plans and metal parts prefabed. I fabricated all my own parts. I'm cheap! I have no power,so I use a counterweight and an old iron wheel w/ a crank handle and can lift it w/ one hand easily. It faces East and is all translucent panels,so it doubles as a morning heater. I looked at a lot of hangar doors,and built this one. Larry Huntley,Kitfox 4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Hangar door > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? It looks pretty good > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used to be called the EAA > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay across the top of the > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:46 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Leroy, I can't get Dave's website address to work. They seem like kind of a primitive company. - But also good people and good service. Call them at 414.438-0747 and they will get a packet of info to you. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LeRoy staley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley Where can I find info on this door LeRoy --- Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy > Daughenbaugh" > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? > It looks pretty good > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used > to be called the EAA > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay > across the top of the > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I've got two of them and love them. Mine are built with a full width window in the middle and foam insullation on top and bottom. Outside covering is vynl siding to match the hanger. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy staley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley > > Where can I find info on this door > LeRoy > --- Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy > > Daughenbaugh" > > > > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? > > It looks pretty good > > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used > > to be called the EAA > > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay > > across the top of the > > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:18 PM PST US From: dwight purdy Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cockpit Noise Reduction --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy My model ll has nothing on the firewall and is as noisy as they come. My PS Engineering intercom handles it with no squelch control. They guaranteed it would work. dwight At 08:42 AM 10/6/2004 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque > >Hi All, > > I now have 68hrs. in C-IGVL ,a model 4 -1050 with 582! I love it!!!!! > (Someday Iwill post pics!!!) > >However the cockpit noise level is so high that my intercom is on all the >time(vox) and transmits engine noise into the headsets!! I have tried a >Flightcom,Softcom and Avcom as well as different headsets!!! >I have carpet on the floor,and carpet on the sides of the boot cowl!( >nothing on the lower firewall yet!!! ) >What else can I do to soundproof!! Will an add on exhaust silencer help?? >What about coating the inside of the whole cowl with some kind of >sounproofing material??? Any ideas are appriciated!! > > Gil Levesque > C-IGVL > Ontario ,Canada > > >Still alive and flyin!!!! > > Gil > > >--------------------------------- > > >--- >Version: 6.0.767 / Virus Database: 514 - Release Date: 9/21/2004 --- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:24 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I thought the hardware, pulleys and cables were to light, so I used my own. I had some of the 3" pulleys wear out prematurely. One down side of the ultimate door is the service from the sellers. They haven't done anything wrong and don't intend to admit it. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > You might also look at the Sweiss Door, they are excellant > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LeRoy staley > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hangar door > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley > > Where can I find info on this door > LeRoy > --- Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy > > Daughenbaugh" > > > > > > Has anybody used The Ultimate Door for their hangar? > > It looks pretty good > > to me, but would like a reference. I think it used > > to be called the EAA > > door. It is a single flat door that goes up to lay > > across the top of the > > doorway where it is centered in and out. > > > > Randy - Fox done. Building a hangar. > > > > > > > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:34 PM PST US From: "Stu Bryant" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 10/05/04 (tygon tubing link) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" http://webcat.ryanherco.com/products/010/110/220/010110220.cfm http://webcat.ryanherco.com/products/010/110/220/010110220.pdf Ryan Herco is a solid outfit. I've done a lot of business with them, though it was for the company I worked for. Not sure if they sell retail. Surely someone online will retail if RH doesn't. The part number is found in the link. Tygon is an absolute top brand, and no one has more specialty tubing than they do nor knows more about it. Top quality all the way. Mostly I've used certain types for ultra-pure water and chemical handling. Some handled near boiling temperatures, other had to hold up to a constant 100 psi. We used a LOT in sterile medical devices as well. Will not crack like rubber tubing found in auto parts stores. I've bought "new" rubber fuel line which must have been ten years old in parts houses. Cracked within four months. Tygon will not do that. I trust this stuff more than any off the shelf auto tubing any day. Plus you can visually see what it is doing; no guessing required. Stu Bryant ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:39 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: VG's, flight testing - to be continued --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Well folks, I have completed one clean wing test and 6 VG test flights using various quantities and positions for them - 2 patterns as described by VG sellers and 4 of my own design. I did approximately 50 stalls total for data. Results: At 1300 lbs, my plane stalls around 46 mph IAS clean and 41 mph IAS full flaps. That was my standard to compare too. It tends to fall off on the left wing at the stall. Maybe my weight on that side is enough to cause that drop. It is an easy stall to catch and I can stop the roll and stall before 30 degrees of roll. From that, I hoped for somewhere between the 4 and 12 mph reduction promised by the VG sellers and better stall characteristics. Several VG patterns gave very good stall characteristics allowing stalls that were controllable and safe while fully stalled. They showed no tendancy to fall off on a wing when power off stalls were performed. Other patterns just showed less improvement. However, I could not get a variation of more than 2 mph + or - in the stalls from the clean wing standard on any test. I did lose up to 5 mph off the cruise end though. On all but one stall I had enough elevator to fully stall the plane. The one exception was at a seller's recommended pattern with full flaps, full up trim, and CG in the middle. It just wouldn't go below about 45 mph. On the last series, with a seller's recommended VG pattern, I also did a power on full flap stall to determine if my ASI was acting properly at low speed. I was fully controllable to 34 mph IAS with maybe 40% power on. At 34, the plane stalled suddenly and rolled hard left. I repeated the test and got the same results, but caught the stall roll sooner. I then returned for a full stall landing. On post flight I discovered that the left wing had shed 21 VG's (out of 50/wing) from the inboard end. (The VG's were just taped on and not glued on.) I think it was the more violent departure with power on and prop blast that tore them off. FYI, The VG's lost were all outboard of the wing tank. There were no VG's from the tanks inboard. I had no problem with the landing and did not know they were gone until postflight. I have removed the VG's for now, but hope to continue to look for some improvement from them later. Results do vary with aircraft, but so far I am disappointed in my results. The VG testing is in my logbook and I believe that allows me to add them on again after I have finished the 40 hrs testing. If anyone knows different, please let me know. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:03 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Wing strut fairing tests --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Ok folks. I haven't been just stewing over the VG tests. I also built, installed and tested new wing strut fairings in the past 2 weeks. These are foam core fairings with thin carbon fiber leading edges followed by single ply S glass covers. The profile is a VFS design from an international collaboration. The goal was to make lighter, less draggy and still somewhat strong fairings for a reasonable cost. Results: The basic struts were approx 12.25 lbs with jury struts attached. After the foam and graphic/glass coverings, the struts still weighed under 14 lbs. My 50 lb scale decided to go bad after that, but with another scale it appears that the final weight with finish coat was still under 15 lbs per side. That means that the fairings added about 4.5 lbs total to the plane's weight. Much better than the 16 lb factory jobs, but they were a lot of effort too. I used an auto decal vinal covering that was probably heavier and more expensive than painting, but I was out of time. You could make them lighter than I did. Flight tests so far show an average 10.4 mph speed gain at cruise settings. I could tell that there was a measurable improvement already during the takeoff. The extra few lbs weight was easily offset by reduced drag and the plane accellerated 10 mph more while I established climb. So the nose went higher... I still have to do climb tests to establish the new Vx and Vy speeds, but these fairings definately improved the plane. Computer modeling says that they add up to 40 lbs of extra lift at climb speeds. They lift more than their own weight and reduce drag too. The fairings are much stronger than I thought they would turn out to be. The foam used is the high density blue foam placed under poured concrete. I dented it easily while working with it, but after covering, the very thin (.007 carbon and .009 S glass) shell is quite hard. The stuts are strengthened quite a bit IMHO. This is good for float plane use where the wings get hammered down and could bend the struts. So a respectable speed gain, with a good light weight, and stronger than expected too. I like them! I still don't like the people who sit on my struts in spite of my decal signs so..... I decided to place 4 pointy tip VG's on the wide inboard fairings to poke their butts. Ha ha, I found a use for the VG's right away! Overall, I have gained 17 mph in cruise this Summer from my radiator scoop and my wing strut fairings. A happy camper. :-) This ends my major aircraft mod testing, but more tests of minor mods to follow... Like wheel fairings, gas cap fairings, and J strut/tail strut fairings. Maybe some tuft testing after that to see what I missed. But don't wait up for me. I still have to go to work, etc. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com