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1. 01:56 AM - Re: tire/tube life (BROSCHART)
2. 02:36 AM - Re: Fire wall Insulation (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 03:34 AM - Engine mount (Michel Verheughe)
4. 07:30 AM - Re: pennzoil (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
5. 07:45 AM - Re: Electric Prop Failure - October Update (Lowell Fitt)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: firewall (kurt schrader)
7. 12:04 PM - Bahamas 2004 Trip (John King)
8. 03:05 PM - Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip (RICHARD RABBERS)
9. 04:01 PM - Re: pennzoil (Jeffrey Puls)
10. 07:55 PM - Re: pennzoil (John King)
11. 08:07 PM - Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip (John King)
12. 09:42 PM - Re: VG's and the testing process (kurt schrader)
13. 09:50 PM - Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter (Joel Mapes)
14. 09:59 PM - Re: Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: tire/tube life |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
guess i can continue to use the tires safely they look good except for
the tread being worn away
it probably would be good to remove the tube and check them for creaks,
i have seen tires go flat where there were folds in the tube and creaks
developed causing slow leaks that show as a flat tire when the owner
arrived and intended to fly that day
Have a good day - Charlie
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/20/04 1:41:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> cfbflyer@localnet.com writes:
>
> << any one know what the safe life of tires/tubes is
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
> >>
>
> Good question Charlie. I have a little problem that needs some attention
> in this area. My tires sit more on the outside threads and therefore wear
> the outsides a lot more. I've had to rotate my tires around so the other side
> will wear.
> Question, should I add some shims to the wheels/Grove gear to make the
> tires sit flat on the ground?
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Fire wall Insulation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/20/04 9:13:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bnn@nethere.com
writes:
<<
That's what I was thinking, though I didn't really like the aesthetics.
Thanks.
Guy Buchanan >>
It was better than freezing. On top of the rubber strips (in a couple
places), I squirted on some RTV to further seal some gaps. Looks real ugly but
you
can only see it when the cowl is removed.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dear listers,
Saturday, I'll get my new Jabiru engine and a jig to build the engine mount. The
jig was made by someone who installed a Jabiru on his model IV.
My questions are:
1) Are the engine mount fixing points on the fuselage the same for the model 3
and model IV?
2) I intend to have the friend who welded my skis to do this job too. He has a
lifetime as a welder but he is not certified aircraft welder. Can I use him? The
Norwegian microlight rule says nothing about certified welding. It's for my
own safety and peace of mind.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the rest of
the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and our visits
at OSH have always been a benefit.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King
>
> John,
>
> I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive
> parts store.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest
to
> locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From
> one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private branding
> was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or
> Hondastuff.
> >
> >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is
> readily available?
> >
> >John Kerr
> >
> >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest
to
> locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From
> one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private
> brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or
> Hondastuff.
> >
> >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is
> readily available?
> >
> >John Kerr
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the rest of
the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and our visits
at OSH have always been a benefit.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <KINGJOHNE@ADELPHIA.NET>
John,
I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive
parts store.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to
locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From
one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private branding
was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or
Hondastuff.
where have you guys fou
nd the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is
readily available?
John Kerr
with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to
locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From
one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private
brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or
Hondastuff.
where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is
readily available?
John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Prop Failure - October Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Sorry to ask but doesn't NSI support the purchasers of its products with
info on updates etc.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric Prop Failure - October Update
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Gary,
>
> We appreciate your keeping us up to date on this. Is
> there a good way to determine if we have the old or
> new prop flanges? I would like to inspect mine, if
> possible for them. Widh I knew about this before I
> rebuilt it last Spring.
>
> Kurt S. S-5 w/NSI-soob & CAP prop
>
> --- kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com> wrote:
>
> > In mid August I put a posting on this forum
> > regarding an incident where a blade departed in
> > flight from my NSI CAP 140 electric prop.
> > ............
> > Gary Walsh
> > C-GOOT
> > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Oh yes I've got an oil container. I haven't had a oil
spill since, except when I did negative G's once and
that was very little. I was just speaking
historically. It looks like all my pervious burps
still didn't soak the blanket. It wiped off well.
Kurt S.
--- Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> Kurt haven't your put in a burp can yet?
>
> Dee Young
> N345DY
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Bahamas 2004 Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
On October 31st, weather permitting, I will be departing for the Bahama
Islands, as well as the Turks and Caicos Islands with three other
aircraft for two weeks of island hopping. All of the aircraft will
gather at Ft. Pierce, Florida and depart for the Bahamas the next day.
Don Pearsell has setup a web site to describe the trip. It lists our
itinerary in general terms, who the pilots are, what aircraft they are
flying, where they are from, as well as information about the islands
themselves and what we need to prepare for the trip. If at all possible
I will attempt to keep the Don updated on our whereabouts and what is
happening as much as possible. Cell phones do not always work in most
of the Bahamas, so we may be out of toutch for a while. He will publish
that data on the web site as he receives it. The web site is the same
one Don has setup to include our other trips.
<http://www.sportflight.com/bahamas/>.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RICHARD RABBERS <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Hello,
I've spent alot of time sailing, flying and diving in the Bahamas. I hope to get
back at some point. I'm a new (3rd) ownwer of a Kitfox Model 1 on lotus floats.
- my question is in regard to experimental / cross border. I'd gotten the understanding
(hopefully incorrect) that there is some sort of restriction for experiemental.
I haven't read much, just picked this up. I love the amazing colors
of the bahama banks and dream of my return.
Thanks,
Richard
BentonHarborMI
John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King
On October 31st, weather permitting, I will be departing for the Bahama
Islands, as well as the Turks and Caicos Islands with three other
aircraft for two weeks of island hopping. All of the aircraft will
gather at Ft. Pierce, Florida and depart for the Bahamas the next day.
Don Pearsell has setup a web site to describe the trip. It lists our
itinerary in general terms, who the pilots are, what aircraft they are
flying, where they are from, as well as information about the islands
themselves and what we need to prepare for the trip. If at all possible
I will attempt to keep the Don updated on our whereabouts and what is
happening as much as possible. Cell phones do not always work in most
of the Bahamas, so we may be out of toutch for a while. He will publish
that data on the web site as he receives it. The web site is the same
one Don has setup to include our other trips.
.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
John,
I have been running the GN-4 Honda motorcycle oil you recommended about 5
years ago. What grade of Pennzoil do you run? Also, does anyone know where
I can get the Pennzoil Marine Stabilizer for the fuel. Lockwood charges
about $3 a pint. Do you think CarQuest would order it? Thanks, Jeff 912UL
> [Original Message]
> From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/21/2004 10:29:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pennzoil
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the
rest of the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and
our visits at OSH have always been a benefit.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest
automotive
> > parts store.
> >
> > --
> > John King
> > Warrenton, VA
> >
> >
> > kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> > >
> > >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a
quest to
> > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle
oil. From
> > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private
branding
> > was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or
> > Hondastuff.
> > >
> > >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that
is
> > readily available?
> > >
> > >John Kerr
> > >
> > >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a
quest to
> > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle
oil. From
> > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private
> > brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube,
suzukislick, or
> > Hondastuff.
> > >
> > >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that
is
> > readily available?
> > >
> > >John Kerr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the
rest of the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and
our visits at OSH have always been a benefit.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <KINGJOHNE@ADELPHIA.NET>
>
> John,
>
> I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive
> parts store.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a
quest to
> locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil.
From
> one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private
branding
> was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or
> Hondastuff.
>
> where have you guys fou
> nd the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is
> readily available?
>
> John Kerr
>
> with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a
quest to
> locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil.
From
> one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private
> brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube,
suzukislick, or
> Hondastuff.
>
> where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that
is
> readily available?
>
> John Kerr
>
>
> er ads or any other
> nics.com/kitfox-list
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Jeff,
I am now starting to use the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil based on what Rotax recommends
simply because I am now burning at least 50% avgas. You should use 10W-40
or 10W-50 weight. Why are you using Pennzoil Marine Stabilizer in your 912UL?
I was told that CarQuest is or was a distributor for Pennzoil products, so
I think they might be able to get it for you.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Jeffrey Puls wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
>John,
>I have been running the GN-4 Honda motorcycle oil you recommended about 5
>years ago. What grade of Pennzoil do you run? Also, does anyone know where
>I can get the Pennzoil Marine Stabilizer for the fuel. Lockwood charges
>about $3 a pint. Do you think CarQuest would order it? Thanks, Jeff 912UL
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Richard,
Not too long ago (over a year) Experimental aircraft had to get special permission
to enter the Bahamas. You had to submit lots of paper work for their approval.
Now all that has changed. Just follow some simple rules and stay out of
trouble. They basically want you to make it easy for you to spend your money
there, so they relaxed the restriction. Ultralights are another matter. Getting
back in the USA is more trouble than getting into the Bahamas.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
RICHARD RABBERS wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RICHARD RABBERS <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello,
>I've spent alot of time sailing, flying and diving in the Bahamas. I hope to get
back at some point. I'm a new (3rd) ownwer of a Kitfox Model 1 on lotus floats.
>- my question is in regard to experimental / cross border. I'd gotten the understanding
(hopefully incorrect) that there is some sort of restriction for experiemental.
I haven't read much, just picked this up. I love the amazing colors
of the bahama banks and dream of my return.
>
>Thanks,
>Richard
>BentonHarborMI
>
>John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King
>
>On October 31st, weather permitting, I will be departing for the Bahama
>Islands, as well as the Turks and Caicos Islands with three other
>aircraft for two weeks of island hopping. All of the aircraft will
>gather at Ft. Pierce, Florida and depart for the Bahamas the next day.
>Don Pearsell has setup a web site to describe the trip. It lists our
>itinerary in general terms, who the pilots are, what aircraft they are
>flying, where they are from, as well as information about the islands
>themselves and what we need to prepare for the trip. If at all possible
>I will attempt to keep the Don updated on our whereabouts and what is
>happening as much as possible. Cell phones do not always work in most
>of the Bahamas, so we may be out of toutch for a while. He will publish
>that data on the web site as he receives it. The web site is the same
>one Don has setup to include our other trips.
>.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG's and the testing process |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Darrel,
Trying to catch up on e-mails here....
-- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> One problem I've always had is that my turtle deck
> has a slight vibration to it during cruise.
> I wonder if the VGs placed forward on the windshield
> (LP)would help or exacerbate this vibration?
> Darrel
I have been wondering this and several other things
about the turtle deck myself.
I thought the turtledeck might be in a stalled region
for climbs and that the VG's might help there as well.
I did one test with VG's across the windscreen and
didn't see any improvement. This might be better done
with tuft testing though.
Mine rattles at high speeds on the front edge too. I
have had mine up past VNE in the testing and the
turtledeck was the only thing showing any weakness or
vibration. I might need more wx striping at the front
joint to stiffen it.
I wonder if the turtledeck extensions that spread out
to the wings aren't causing vibration. They are
draggy with that cupped area under them and behind the
rear spar. Swirling air behind the spar might make
them flap and they have some lift on top anyway. I
might eventually get to enclose those "bat wing" areas
in alum to match the wing root behind the spar. Has
anyone done this already?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI tirbo
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| Subject: | Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com>
HELP!
I'm switching to a 912ULS from the proposed 912A for my Model 5 as the additional
20 horsepower wil make float use feasible. When trying to install the 912ULS
I found that the heavy duty starter is longer then the standard starter and
hits the motor mount, making mounting the engine impossible. My options appear
to be 1) replace the HD starter with a standard starter or 2) remove the motor
mount and have the starboard side tube cut and re-welded to allow clearance.
Suggestions, opionions and supportive chuckles are solicited.
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| Subject: | Re: Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Joel,
I don't have the 912, but I know this problem has been
addressed. Just wanted to get a responce in tonight
so you could sleep well. Others should be able to
tell you the correction. I think it had something to
do with filing down a part of the starter or something
like that. Maybe you could find it in the archives if
you are too worried to sleep right now.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Joel Mapes <FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> HELP!
> I'm switching to a 912ULS from the proposed 912A for
> my Model 5 as the additional 20 horsepower wil make
> float use feasible. When trying to install the
> 912ULS I found that the heavy duty starter is longer
> then the standard starter and hits the motor mount,
> making mounting the engine impossible. My options
> appear to be 1) replace the HD starter with a
> standard starter or 2) remove the motor mount and
> have the starboard side tube cut and re-welded to
> allow clearance. Suggestions, opionions and
> supportive chuckles are solicited.
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