---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/21/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: tire/tube life (BROSCHART) 2. 02:36 AM - Re: Fire wall Insulation (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 3. 03:34 AM - Engine mount (Michel Verheughe) 4. 07:30 AM - Re: pennzoil (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: Electric Prop Failure - October Update (Lowell Fitt) 6. 10:00 AM - Re: firewall (kurt schrader) 7. 12:04 PM - Bahamas 2004 Trip (John King) 8. 03:05 PM - Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip (RICHARD RABBERS) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: pennzoil (Jeffrey Puls) 10. 07:55 PM - Re: pennzoil (John King) 11. 08:07 PM - Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip (John King) 12. 09:42 PM - Re: VG's and the testing process (kurt schrader) 13. 09:50 PM - Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter (Joel Mapes) 14. 09:59 PM - Re: Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:13 AM PST US From: BROSCHART Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tire/tube life --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART guess i can continue to use the tires safely they look good except for the tread being worn away it probably would be good to remove the tube and check them for creaks, i have seen tires go flat where there were folds in the tube and creaks developed causing slow leaks that show as a flat tire when the owner arrived and intended to fly that day Have a good day - Charlie AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 10/20/04 1:41:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > cfbflyer@localnet.com writes: > > << any one know what the safe life of tires/tubes is > > Have a good day - Charlie > >> > > Good question Charlie. I have a little problem that needs some attention > in this area. My tires sit more on the outside threads and therefore wear > the outsides a lot more. I've had to rotate my tires around so the other side > will wear. > Question, should I add some shims to the wheels/Grove gear to make the > tires sit flat on the ground? > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:16 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fire wall Insulation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 10/20/04 9:13:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bnn@nethere.com writes: << That's what I was thinking, though I didn't really like the aesthetics. Thanks. Guy Buchanan >> It was better than freezing. On top of the rubber strips (in a couple places), I squirted on some RTV to further seal some gaps. Looks real ugly but you can only see it when the cowl is removed. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:56 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine mount --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Dear listers, Saturday, I'll get my new Jabiru engine and a jig to build the engine mount. The jig was made by someone who installed a Jabiru on his model IV. My questions are: 1) Are the engine mount fixing points on the fuselage the same for the model 3 and model IV? 2) I intend to have the friend who welded my skis to do this job too. He has a lifetime as a welder but he is not certified aircraft welder. Can I use him? The Norwegian microlight rule says nothing about certified welding. It's for my own safety and peace of mind. Thanks in advance, Michel ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:04 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pennzoil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the rest of the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and our visits at OSH have always been a benefit. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King > > John, > > I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive > parts store. > > -- > John King > Warrenton, VA > > > kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > > >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private branding > was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or > Hondastuff. > > > >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is > readily available? > > > >John Kerr > > > >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private > brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or > Hondastuff. > > > >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is > readily available? > > > >John Kerr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the rest of the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and our visits at OSH have always been a benefit. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: John King John, I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive parts store. -- John King Warrenton, VA kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private branding was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or Hondastuff. where have you guys fou nd the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is readily available? John Kerr with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or Hondastuff. where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is readily available? John Kerr er ads or any other nics.com/kitfox-list ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:52 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric Prop Failure - October Update --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Sorry to ask but doesn't NSI support the purchasers of its products with info on updates etc. Lowell do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric Prop Failure - October Update > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > Gary, > > We appreciate your keeping us up to date on this. Is > there a good way to determine if we have the old or > new prop flanges? I would like to inspect mine, if > possible for them. Widh I knew about this before I > rebuilt it last Spring. > > Kurt S. S-5 w/NSI-soob & CAP prop > > --- kitfoxjunky wrote: > > > In mid August I put a posting on this forum > > regarding an incident where a blade departed in > > flight from my NSI CAP 140 electric prop. > > ............ > > Gary Walsh > > C-GOOT > > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > > _______________________________ > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:47 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: firewall --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Oh yes I've got an oil container. I haven't had a oil spill since, except when I did negative G's once and that was very little. I was just speaking historically. It looks like all my pervious burps still didn't soak the blanket. It wiped off well. Kurt S. --- Dee Young wrote: > Kurt haven't your put in a burp can yet? > > Dee Young > N345DY > > Do not archive __________________________________ Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:31 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Kitfox-List: Bahamas 2004 Trip --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King On October 31st, weather permitting, I will be departing for the Bahama Islands, as well as the Turks and Caicos Islands with three other aircraft for two weeks of island hopping. All of the aircraft will gather at Ft. Pierce, Florida and depart for the Bahamas the next day. Don Pearsell has setup a web site to describe the trip. It lists our itinerary in general terms, who the pilots are, what aircraft they are flying, where they are from, as well as information about the islands themselves and what we need to prepare for the trip. If at all possible I will attempt to keep the Don updated on our whereabouts and what is happening as much as possible. Cell phones do not always work in most of the Bahamas, so we may be out of toutch for a while. He will publish that data on the web site as he receives it. The web site is the same one Don has setup to include our other trips. . -- John King Warrenton, VA ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:18 PM PST US From: RICHARD RABBERS Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bahamas 2004 Trip --> Kitfox-List message posted by: RICHARD RABBERS Hello, I've spent alot of time sailing, flying and diving in the Bahamas. I hope to get back at some point. I'm a new (3rd) ownwer of a Kitfox Model 1 on lotus floats. - my question is in regard to experimental / cross border. I'd gotten the understanding (hopefully incorrect) that there is some sort of restriction for experiemental. I haven't read much, just picked this up. I love the amazing colors of the bahama banks and dream of my return. Thanks, Richard BentonHarborMI John King wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King On October 31st, weather permitting, I will be departing for the Bahama Islands, as well as the Turks and Caicos Islands with three other aircraft for two weeks of island hopping. All of the aircraft will gather at Ft. Pierce, Florida and depart for the Bahamas the next day. Don Pearsell has setup a web site to describe the trip. It lists our itinerary in general terms, who the pilots are, what aircraft they are flying, where they are from, as well as information about the islands themselves and what we need to prepare for the trip. If at all possible I will attempt to keep the Don updated on our whereabouts and what is happening as much as possible. Cell phones do not always work in most of the Bahamas, so we may be out of toutch for a while. He will publish that data on the web site as he receives it. The web site is the same one Don has setup to include our other trips. . -- John King Warrenton, VA --------------------------------- vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:32 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pennzoil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" John, I have been running the GN-4 Honda motorcycle oil you recommended about 5 years ago. What grade of Pennzoil do you run? Also, does anyone know where I can get the Pennzoil Marine Stabilizer for the fuel. Lockwood charges about $3 a pint. Do you think CarQuest would order it? Thanks, Jeff 912UL > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 10/21/2004 10:29:43 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pennzoil > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the rest of the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and our visits at OSH have always been a benefit. > > John Kerr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King > > > > John, > > > > I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive > > parts store. > > > > -- > > John King > > Warrenton, VA > > > > > > kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > > > > >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to > > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From > > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private branding > > was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or > > Hondastuff. > > > > > >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is > > readily available? > > > > > >John Kerr > > > > > >with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to > > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From > > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private > > brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or > > Hondastuff. > > > > > >where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is > > readily available? > > > > > >John Kerr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks John. I would like to take this opportunity to tell you and the rest of the list that I consider you the Dean of Kitfox/912. Your posts and our visits at OSH have always been a benefit. > > John Kerr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: John King > > John, > > I ordered the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil from our local CarQuest automotive > parts store. > > -- > John King > Warrenton, VA > > > kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private branding > was the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or > Hondastuff. > > where have you guys fou > nd the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is > readily available? > > John Kerr > > with all that has been written about the recommended oils, I went on a quest to > locate either the "highly" recommended Pennzoil or Shell motorcycle oil. From > one of the marketing spectrum to the other (Walmart to Harley) private > brandingwas the norm. Lots of opportunities to try Yamalube, suzukislick, or > Hondastuff. > > where have you guys found the recommended oils other than Mobil 1 that is > readily available? > > John Kerr > > > er ads or any other > nics.com/kitfox-list > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:59 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pennzoil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Jeff, I am now starting to use the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil based on what Rotax recommends simply because I am now burning at least 50% avgas. You should use 10W-40 or 10W-50 weight. Why are you using Pennzoil Marine Stabilizer in your 912UL? I was told that CarQuest is or was a distributor for Pennzoil products, so I think they might be able to get it for you. -- John King Warrenton, VA Jeffrey Puls wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > >John, >I have been running the GN-4 Honda motorcycle oil you recommended about 5 >years ago. What grade of Pennzoil do you run? Also, does anyone know where >I can get the Pennzoil Marine Stabilizer for the fuel. Lockwood charges >about $3 a pint. Do you think CarQuest would order it? Thanks, Jeff 912UL > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:07 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bahamas 2004 Trip --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Richard, Not too long ago (over a year) Experimental aircraft had to get special permission to enter the Bahamas. You had to submit lots of paper work for their approval. Now all that has changed. Just follow some simple rules and stay out of trouble. They basically want you to make it easy for you to spend your money there, so they relaxed the restriction. Ultralights are another matter. Getting back in the USA is more trouble than getting into the Bahamas. -- John King Warrenton, VA RICHARD RABBERS wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: RICHARD RABBERS > >Hello, >I've spent alot of time sailing, flying and diving in the Bahamas. I hope to get back at some point. I'm a new (3rd) ownwer of a Kitfox Model 1 on lotus floats. >- my question is in regard to experimental / cross border. I'd gotten the understanding (hopefully incorrect) that there is some sort of restriction for experiemental. I haven't read much, just picked this up. I love the amazing colors of the bahama banks and dream of my return. > >Thanks, >Richard >BentonHarborMI > >John King wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King > >On October 31st, weather permitting, I will be departing for the Bahama >Islands, as well as the Turks and Caicos Islands with three other >aircraft for two weeks of island hopping. All of the aircraft will >gather at Ft. Pierce, Florida and depart for the Bahamas the next day. >Don Pearsell has setup a web site to describe the trip. It lists our >itinerary in general terms, who the pilots are, what aircraft they are >flying, where they are from, as well as information about the islands >themselves and what we need to prepare for the trip. If at all possible >I will attempt to keep the Don updated on our whereabouts and what is >happening as much as possible. Cell phones do not always work in most >of the Bahamas, so we may be out of toutch for a while. He will publish >that data on the web site as he receives it. The web site is the same >one Don has setup to include our other trips. >. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:46 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VG's and the testing process --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Darrel, Trying to catch up on e-mails here.... -- Fox5flyer wrote: > One problem I've always had is that my turtle deck > has a slight vibration to it during cruise. > I wonder if the VGs placed forward on the windshield > (LP)would help or exacerbate this vibration? > Darrel I have been wondering this and several other things about the turtle deck myself. I thought the turtledeck might be in a stalled region for climbs and that the VG's might help there as well. I did one test with VG's across the windscreen and didn't see any improvement. This might be better done with tuft testing though. Mine rattles at high speeds on the front edge too. I have had mine up past VNE in the testing and the turtledeck was the only thing showing any weakness or vibration. I might need more wx striping at the front joint to stiffen it. I wonder if the turtledeck extensions that spread out to the wings aren't causing vibration. They are draggy with that cupped area under them and behind the rear spar. Swirling air behind the spar might make them flap and they have some lift on top anyway. I might eventually get to enclose those "bat wing" areas in alum to match the wing root behind the spar. Has anyone done this already? Kurt S. S-5/NSI tirbo _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:09 PM PST US From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" HELP! I'm switching to a 912ULS from the proposed 912A for my Model 5 as the additional 20 horsepower wil make float use feasible. When trying to install the 912ULS I found that the heavy duty starter is longer then the standard starter and hits the motor mount, making mounting the engine impossible. My options appear to be 1) replace the HD starter with a standard starter or 2) remove the motor mount and have the starboard side tube cut and re-welded to allow clearance. Suggestions, opionions and supportive chuckles are solicited. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:37 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 5 w 912 ULS heavy duty starter --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Joel, I don't have the 912, but I know this problem has been addressed. Just wanted to get a responce in tonight so you could sleep well. Others should be able to tell you the correction. I think it had something to do with filing down a part of the starter or something like that. Maybe you could find it in the archives if you are too worried to sleep right now. Kurt S. Do not archive --- Joel Mapes wrote: > HELP! > I'm switching to a 912ULS from the proposed 912A for > my Model 5 as the additional 20 horsepower wil make > float use feasible. When trying to install the > 912ULS I found that the heavy duty starter is longer > then the standard starter and hits the motor mount, > making mounting the engine impossible. My options > appear to be 1) replace the HD starter with a > standard starter or 2) remove the motor mount and > have the starboard side tube cut and re-welded to > allow clearance. Suggestions, opionions and > supportive chuckles are solicited. __________________________________