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Sun 10/24/04


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 08:13 AM - test (jdmcbean)
     2. 08:22 AM - Re: test (Rick)
     3. 08:27 AM - New Jabiru engine (Michel Verheughe)
     4. 08:41 AM - Do Not Archive (Ted Palamarek)
     5. 08:52 AM - Re: New Jabiru engine (Don Pearsall)
     6. 11:29 AM - Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip (Joel Mapes)
     7. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: They just lost my . . . . (Fox5flyer)
     8. 02:20 PM - Re: Paint - Need to clear coat (customtrans@qwest.net)
     9. 03:36 PM - Re: Paint - Need to clear coat (kurt schrader)
    10. 03:41 PM - Re: Aerocomp floats (kurt schrader)
    11. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: They just lost my . . . . (kurt schrader)
    12. 03:54 PM - Re: New Jabiru engine (kurt schrader)
    13. 04:10 PM - Re: Paint - Need to clear coat (Larry Huntley)
    14. 04:21 PM - Re: Paint - Need to clear coat (Larry Huntley)
    15. 07:46 PM - Re: Paint - Need to clear coat (customtrans@qwest.net)
    16. 10:54 PM - Re: Paint - Need to clear coat (kurt schrader)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:13:20 AM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
    Subject: test
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net> test


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    Time: 08:22:36 AM PST US
    From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
    Subject: test
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net> Reply to test...yep real quiet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean Subject: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net> test


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    Time: 08:27:15 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: New Jabiru engine
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Soooo, Saturday I went to Stavanger, to get my Jabiru engine. The observant reader will remember that I was offered a "Jabiru Aircraft front bowl" to be mould in my existing round cowling. Once there, Paul Garstad, the Norwegian Jabiru agent told me that it was my best bet because, while he could order a Skyfox cowling, or anything else, it was a problem for him when customers found that the product didn't match their need. And he went to show me a few differing cowlings gathering dust in his hangar. - "But isn't this a Skyfox cowling?" I asked, as I saw something with a definite Kitfox look. - "??? Er, ... maybe!" answered Paul. "And look! It's written Skyfox on it! But it won't fit your plane, I am sure of that!" - "Let's measure it!" I said. ... Ten minutes later, when comparing with a drawing of my existing cowl, we found out that, although it couldn't fit his customer's need (he had a model IV) it was perfect for my model 3! Sometimes - not always, but sometimes - things work your way. Let's remember those moments. And off, I went, with my beautiful new engine, prop, cowling, and a jib to build the engine mount. A fantastic week-end and a beautiful trip in gorgeous autumnal Norwegian nature! But a picture is worth a thousand words, isn't it? Here it is: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Stavanger.jpg Cheers, Michel


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    Time: 08:41:42 AM PST US
    From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
    Subject: Do Not Archive
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net> Hey Fellows Let's try follow the list rules and put "Do Not Archive" after some of those "Test" messages and replies as well as other message not pertaining to list topics. It messes things up when searching through the archives for pass info. Just my humble opinion. Thank You. Do Not Archive Ted Edmonton


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    Time: 08:52:03 AM PST US
    From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
    Subject: New Jabiru engine
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> Thanks for the great report, Michel. Congratulations on getting exactly what you need. It so often is not that easy! Your "Norwegian Nature" looks quite similar to my "Seattle Nature." Foggy, cold, and wet. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: New Jabiru engine --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Soooo, Saturday I went to Stavanger, to get my Jabiru engine. The observant reader will remember that I was offered a "Jabiru Aircraft front bowl" to be mould in my existing round cowling. Once there, Paul Garstad, the Norwegian Jabiru agent told me that it was my best bet because, while he could order a Skyfox cowling, or anything else, it was a problem for him when customers found that the product didn't match their need. And he went to show me a few differing cowlings gathering dust in his hangar. - "But isn't this a Skyfox cowling?" I asked, as I saw something with a definite Kitfox look. - "??? Er, ... maybe!" answered Paul. "And look! It's written Skyfox on it! But it won't fit your plane, I am sure of that!" - "Let's measure it!" I said. ... Ten minutes later, when comparing with a drawing of my existing cowl, we found out that, although it couldn't fit his customer's need (he had a model IV) it was perfect for my model 3! Sometimes - not always, but sometimes - things work your way. Let's remember those moments. And off, I went, with my beautiful new engine, prop, cowling, and a jib to build the engine mount. A fantastic week-end and a beautiful trip in gorgeous autumnal Norwegian nature! But a picture is worth a thousand words, isn't it? Here it is: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Stavanger.jpg Cheers, Michel


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    Time: 11:29:14 AM PST US
    From: "Joel Mapes" <FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com> If you're entering Canada in BC, Nanaimo is a port of entry and receives more floatplane traffic then wheeled aircraft. On one of my flights the Canadian customs officer was miffed at me because he went to the harbor first since my ADCUS note did not specifically state Nanaimo FIELD. Joel Model 912ULS Aerocomp amphibs


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    Time: 01:57:21 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: They just lost my . . . .
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Kurt, go to http://www.matronics.com/subscription then follow the instructions. Darrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: They just lost my . . . . > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> > > Thanks Darrel, > > I was just thinking of where I could go to find the > answer while flying home today. Figured there must be > a King group or something. Could you send me the web > address for the aeroelectric list? Quick before I > break this thing??? ;-) > > I was in Seattle over nite, but didn't have the time > or I would have driven up to NSI and talked directly > to them. This work stuff is a bummer... > > Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo > > --- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote: > > > Well said Kurt. Lots of blame to go around when it > > comes to vendors not taking care of problems..... > > > Are you a member of the Aeroelectic List? I'd > almost > > guarantee you'd get the information you need there. > > Lots of avionics > > geeks. > > Darrel > >


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    Time: 02:20:10 PM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: Paint - Need to clear coat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net are you saying that for the first couple coats, use the polycoat and then on the final, put on the aerothane. Sounds a lots cheaper doing that route. Just asking because I like the shinny and I have to redo the entire airplane covering. steve a for those who know it... 90ty -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ceashman@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net> FWIIW, Why not just spray on a coat of same color PolyFiber Aerothane and leave it at that? That is what I did after my Polytone stained from "bugjuice". Aerothane is shiny and doesn't need clearcoat.That was a year ago and it looks like it did when I put it on. --> Larry Huntley,Kitfox Larry. I kind of agree with you, this is possible and there will be much better durability than with Poly Tone. Also, Aerothane is much more glossy than Poly Tone. But if I believe what Jared is saying, he has a problem with acid rain. If you look at the automobile industry, everything this last 10 to 15 years has been with a clear coat. This protects the color from Ultra Violet light (that will fade the color and break down the very small surface protection of the pigment color of a mono coat. If nitric acid from the acid rain lands on the surface, this can easily eat into the small protection of the mono coat) The clear coat on the other hand has UV screener. A kind of sun blocker built in and of course the pigment color is well below the surface therefore acid rain will not attack as severely as a non protected color. Even so, I am not saying that acid rain will not hurt the surface of the clear. Original equipment manufacturers, car makers, have suffered this for a long time. Especially on vehicles near densely populated areas and industrial areas. It is a kind of "fact of life" Greetings Eric.


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    Time: 03:36:30 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Paint - Need to clear coat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Just so you don't get your expectations too high, I have clear Aerothane over my PolyTone around my wing tanks. It still gets gas stains that don't seem to want to come out. Autogas. I should have painted it yellow to match I guess. Anyway, my stains are shiny now. Maybe it will handle acid rain better. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > customtrans@qwest.net > > are you saying that for the first couple coats, use > the polycoat and then on > the final, put on the aerothane. Sounds a lots > cheaper doing that route. > Just asking because I like the shinny and I have to > redo the entire airplane > covering. > > steve a > for those who know it... > 90ty > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of > Ceashman@aol.com > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" > <asq1@adelphia.net> > > FWIIW, > Why not just spray on a coat of same color > PolyFiber Aerothane and leave > it at that? That is what I did after my Polytone > stained from "bugjuice". > Aerothane is shiny and doesn't need clearcoat.That > was a year ago and it > looks like it did when I put it on. > --> Larry > Huntley,Kitfox > > > Larry. > I kind of agree with you, this is possible and there > will be much better > durability than with Poly Tone. > Also, Aerothane is much more glossy than Poly Tone. > > But if I believe what Jared is saying, he has a > problem with acid rain. > > If you look at the automobile industry, everything > this last 10 to 15 years > has been with a clear coat. This protects the color > from Ultra Violet light > (that will fade the color and break down the very > small surface protection > of the > pigment color of a mono coat. If nitric acid from > the acid rain lands on the > surface, this can easily eat into the small > protection of the mono coat) > The clear coat on the other hand has UV screener. A > kind of sun blocker > built > in and of course the pigment color is well below the > surface therefore acid > rain will not attack as severely as a non protected > color. > Even so, I am not saying that acid rain will not > hurt the surface of the > clear. Original equipment manufacturers, car makers, > have suffered this for > a long > time. Especially on vehicles near densely populated > areas and industrial > areas. It is a kind of "fact of life" > > Greetings Eric. _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com


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    Time: 03:41:09 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Aerocomp floats
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Joel, How do you like your Aerocomp floats? I suppose they are a little heavy, but should be strong and take more abuse than aluminum floats. How well do the wheels work for you? Flight characteristics, speed reduction, handling, etc.... I would appreciate a report on them when you have time. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Joel Mapes <FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com> wrote: ........... > Joel Model 912ULS Aerocomp amphibs __________________________________


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    Time: 03:45:16 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: They just lost my . . . .
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Oh, my fault Darrel. I didn't know the aeroelectric list was on matronics too. I'll check in within the next 24 hrs and learn the secrets of King radio repairs. Thanks, Kurt S. --- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote: > Kurt, go to > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > then follow the instructions. > Darrel _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com


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    Time: 03:54:39 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: New Jabiru engine
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Great Michel! That should make the installation go faster. Your weather looks about like it did here when I came back from seeing my dad. 700' overcast, but we don't have any purdy mountains to look at. The Fox was not going to fly in that stuff, so I drove. Kurt S. --- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote: > Soooo, Saturday I went to Stavanger, to get my > Jabiru engine. > ........ > Sometimes - not always, but sometimes - things work > your way. Let's remember those moments. > And off, I went, with my beautiful new engine, prop, > cowling, and a jib to build the engine mount. A > fantastic week-end and a beautiful trip in gorgeous > autumnal Norwegian nature! > > But a picture is worth a thousand words, isn't it? > Here it is: > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Stavanger.jpg > > Cheers, > Michel _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com


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    Time: 04:10:24 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Paint - Need to clear coat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net> That is more or less what I did,finished off w/ Polytone and sprayed 1 cross coat of Aerothane much later. You do need to clean it REAL well and add a mist coat first to make it stick. Be sure to read the manual carefully before Aerothaneing. I would call Norm Douthit if you have any questions. He taught for Stets and then for Polyfiber and now that he is retired ,has a Polyfiber business of his own. He will talk you through any problems whether you bought from him or not and won't pressure you to buy like some outfits. His tollfree number is 888-811-2232. He is in So Cal and business is in his home. He doesn't mind a call anytime. No strict business hours. Tell him Larry Huntley from NY sent you. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <customtrans@qwest.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > are you saying that for the first couple coats, use the polycoat and then on > the final, put on the aerothane. Sounds a lots cheaper doing that route. > Just asking because I like the shinny and I have to redo the entire airplane > covering. > > steve a > for those who know it... > 90ty >


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    Time: 04:21:38 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Paint - Need to clear coat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net> Come to think about it ,make sure your catalyst is ok. The stuff has a shelf life and if it is bad ,it will come out shiny,but will not be catalyzed and will stain. Don't ask me how I know. ;o) Larry Huntley ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> > > Just so you don't get your expectations too high, I > have clear Aerothane over my PolyTone around my wing > tanks. It still gets gas stains that don't seem to > want to come out. Autogas. I should have painted it > yellow to match I guess. > > Anyway, my stains are shiny now. Maybe it will handle > acid rain better. > > Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo > > --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > > customtrans@qwest.net > > > > are you saying that for the first couple coats, use > > the polycoat and then on > > the final, put on the aerothane. Sounds a lots > > cheaper doing that route. > > Just asking because I like the shinny and I have to > > redo the entire airplane > > covering. > > > > steve a > > for those who know it... > > 90ty > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On > > Behalf Of > > Ceashman@aol.com > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" > > <asq1@adelphia.net> > > > > FWIIW, > > Why not just spray on a coat of same color > > PolyFiber Aerothane and leave > > it at that? That is what I did after my Polytone > > stained from "bugjuice". > > Aerothane is shiny and doesn't need clearcoat.That > > was a year ago and it > > looks like it did when I put it on. > > --> Larry > > Huntley,Kitfox > > > > > > Larry. > > I kind of agree with you, this is possible and there > > will be much better > > durability than with Poly Tone. > > Also, Aerothane is much more glossy than Poly Tone. > > > > But if I believe what Jared is saying, he has a > > problem with acid rain. > > > > If you look at the automobile industry, everything > > this last 10 to 15 years > > has been with a clear coat. This protects the color > > from Ultra Violet light > > (that will fade the color and break down the very > > small surface protection > > of the > > pigment color of a mono coat. If nitric acid from > > the acid rain lands on the > > surface, this can easily eat into the small > > protection of the mono coat) > > The clear coat on the other hand has UV screener. A > > kind of sun blocker > > built > > in and of course the pigment color is well below the > > surface therefore acid > > rain will not attack as severely as a non protected > > color. > > Even so, I am not saying that acid rain will not > > hurt the surface of the > > clear. Original equipment manufacturers, car makers, > > have suffered this for > > a long > > time. Especially on vehicles near densely populated > > areas and industrial > > areas. It is a kind of "fact of life" > > > > Greetings Eric. > > > _______________________________ > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > >


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    Time: 07:46:51 PM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: Paint - Need to clear coat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net Thanks, I'll do that. also I would like to paint that aerothane right after the poly paint. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Huntley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net> That is more or less what I did,finished off w/ Polytone and sprayed 1 cross coat of Aerothane much later. You do need to clean it REAL well and add a mist coat first to make it stick. Be sure to read the manual carefully before Aerothaneing. I would call Norm Douthit if you have any questions. He taught for Stets and then for Polyfiber and now that he is retired ,has a Polyfiber business of his own. He will talk you through any problems whether you bought from him or not and won't pressure you to buy like some outfits. His tollfree number is 888-811-2232. He is in So Cal and business is in his home. He doesn't mind a call anytime. No strict business hours. Tell him Larry Huntley from NY sent you. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <customtrans@qwest.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Paint - Need to clear coat > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > are you saying that for the first couple coats, use the polycoat and then on > the final, put on the aerothane. Sounds a lots cheaper doing that route. > Just asking because I like the shinny and I have to redo the entire airplane > covering. > > steve a > for those who know it... > 90ty >


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    Time: 10:54:43 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Paint - Need to clear coat
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> I agree Larry. I learned the hard way with old polytack. It took me days to iron the lumps out. Kurt S. --- Larry Huntley <asq1@adelphia.net> wrote: > Come to think about it ,make sure your catalyst is > ok. The stuff has a shelf life and if it is bad, > it will come out shiny, but will not be catalyzed and > will stain. Don't ask me how I know. ;o) > Larry Huntley _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com




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