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1. 12:28 AM - SV: SV: Coating on Inside of Cowl To Michel (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:58 AM - [off topic]: Static RPM (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 04:44 AM - Heat on wings (was cowling heat) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 04:45 AM - Re: Fuel filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 05:00 AM - Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) (Larry Huntley)
7. 05:00 AM - Re: Fuel filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 05:00 AM - Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet (Jimmie Blackwell)
9. 05:06 AM - Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
10. 05:47 AM - Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) (Larry Huntley)
11. 06:03 AM - Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet (Jerry Liles)
12. 06:06 AM - Re: Fuel filters (Jerry Liles)
13. 06:21 AM - Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
14. 06:25 AM - Re: Fuel filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
15. 06:33 AM - Re: 2 questions 914 Turbo and 582 (Lowell Fitt)
16. 06:33 AM - Re: IVO prop ---- const speed ()
17. 06:40 AM - Re: Coating on Inside of Cowl To Lowell (Lowell Fitt)
18. 06:41 AM - Re: Fuel filters (Lowell Fitt)
19. 06:51 AM - Re: Fuel filters (Lowell Fitt)
20. 07:09 AM - Re: IVO prop ---- const speed (Rick)
21. 07:10 AM - Re: IVO prop ---- const speed (John Oakley)
22. 07:41 AM - Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters (Harris, Robert)
23. 08:29 AM - Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet (customtrans@qwest.net)
24. 08:55 AM - Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
25. 10:04 AM - IVO prop ---- const speed (jdmcbean)
26. 10:10 AM - : REPLY: Wood Props/ Float Planes (Barry Huston)
27. 01:06 PM - repost from R.A.H. (Howard Firm)
28. 03:00 PM - Re: repost from R.A.H. (Torgeir Mortensen)
29. 03:02 PM - Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
30. 03:11 PM - Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
31. 03:11 PM - Re: [off topic]: Static RPM (Torgeir Mortensen)
32. 03:28 PM - Re: Coating on Inside of Cowl To Lowell (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
33. 03:34 PM - Re: NSI Prop Failure - My final posting on this forum (Torgeir Mortensen)
34. 04:03 PM - Re: repost from R.A.H. (shortnaked)
35. 04:14 PM - Re: repost from R.A.H. (John Oakley)
36. 05:31 PM - Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on my 582 from the (Rex & Jan Shaw)
37. 06:17 PM - Re: Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on my 582 from the (Torgeir Mortensen)
38. 06:23 PM - 582 main jets (Gill Levesque)
39. 07:41 PM - Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters (david yeamans)
40. 08:44 PM - Re: Coating on Inside of Cowl To David Estapa, Conclusion! (Ceashman@aol.com)
41. 08:46 PM - Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet (Jimmie Blackwell)
42. 08:59 PM - My 912 Won't Stop (Jimmie Blackwell)
43. 09:23 PM - Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet (David Savener)
44. 09:26 PM - Re: My 912 Won't Stop (David Savener)
45. 10:18 PM - Re: 582 main jets (Robert Beck)
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| Subject: | Coating on Inside of Cowl To Michel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Ceashman@aol.com
> Of course, when the sh*@ hits the fan. it's difficult to find out where it
> comes from.
... oh, you mean, that big fan in front of my plane, Eric? The one that makes me
really sweat when it stops? :-)
Seriously, considering that my new Jabiru has a glassfiber ram-air duct on the
top, I am not so sure the colour of the inside top cowling matters that much,
after all.
But one thing I know from my previous sailboat with a moulded engine room, is that,
if it is white, you'll keep it cleaner and sweep any stain with a cloth as
soon as you see one. And a clean engine room is always a plus when the inspector
comes yearly with his critical eye.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | [off topic]: Static RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> Just a small input from the (not that cold) high North.
Hei Morten, glad to see you fixed your ISP problem.
Med vennlig hilsen,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/26/04 7:04:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jablackwell@ev1.net writes:
<< from the panel such as a stereo system and loran. Looking for ideas on
ways to fill in the panel holes and keep it looking good.
Thank you.
Jimmie
>>
Jimmie,
I had a couple occasions where I changed my mind and had to do what you
are talking about. I fabricated an alum plate (painted to match the panel)
just larger than the hole and attached it to the panel with 4 screws. You can
put something else or a label on the plate to make it look like it was designed
that way.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Heat on wings (was cowling heat) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/26/04 7:15:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Ceashman@aol.com writes:
<< I cannot see constant heat affecting the cowl as there are no strategic
stress items involved. But I also understand that a composite aircraft
should be
painted white as there are strategic stress items like the wing needs to
keep
stuck together.
>>
While on the subject, that heat from a dark color paint can do more
damage than to the cowl. I have first hand knowledge of this. My 2" tapes on
top
of the wings have very very slightly shrunk due to the heat. In most cases,
you cannot see it from the top. However, pull an inspection cover on the
bottom of the wing and look up. You can see light through each side of the tapes.
This is an old problem for me and I'm in the process of fixing it now. Not
going to be easy or fun.
My paint is med to dark Gray and the temps can reach 225 inside the wing
on a hot day. I've checked it with a digital thermometer supplied by Poly
Fiber. Poly Fiber said it couldn't happen but they have since changed their
mind. As a matter of fact, they kind of kept quite after the report I sent them
on fabric color verses temp. BTW, 225 degrees will shrink the fabric tapes
that small amount I mention.
To heck with the cowl, paint the fabric a light color or preshrink the
tapes before installing (preferable a light color).
IMHO
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/26/04 8:29:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
<< Gill:
I know of at least two occurrences of failures of those filters. I would
not use those filters. Engine failure + in-flight fire = undesiderable combo.
>>
I have mine shock mounted. Curious, what type failures are you talking about?
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Don,
What method did you use to preshrink the tapes? Larry Huntley,Kitfox
4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Heat on wings (was cowling heat)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/26/04 7:15:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Ceashman@aol.com writes:
>
> << I cannot see constant heat affecting the cowl as there are no strategic
> stress items involved. But I also understand that a composite aircraft
> should be
> painted white as there are strategic stress items like the wing needs to
> keep
> stuck together.
> >>
>
> While on the subject, that heat from a dark color paint can do more
> damage than to the cowl. I have first hand knowledge of this. My 2"
tapes on top
> of the wings have very very slightly shrunk due to the heat. In most
cases,
> you cannot see it from the top. However, pull an inspection cover on the
> bottom of the wing and look up. You can see light through each side of
the tapes.
> This is an old problem for me and I'm in the process of fixing it now.
Not
> going to be easy or fun.
> My paint is med to dark Gray and the temps can reach 225 inside the
wing
> on a hot day. I've checked it with a digital thermometer supplied by Poly
> Fiber. Poly Fiber said it couldn't happen but they have since changed
their
> mind. As a matter of fact, they kind of kept quite after the report I
sent them
> on fabric color verses temp. BTW, 225 degrees will shrink the fabric
tapes
> that small amount I mention.
> To heck with the cowl, paint the fabric a light color or preshrink the
> tapes before installing (preferable a light color).
>
> IMHO
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/26/04 11:29:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
r.thomas@za.pwc.com writes:
<< The problem appears to be the seals at each end between the glass and
housing. They seem to perish quickly and the filter begins to suck in air
and leads to fuel starvation.
>>
Very interesting. I've had mine on for about 4 years and no problems. I
clean the filters when I see anything building up inside. I coat the "O"
rings with "O" ring lubricant each time and change the filter element/"O" ring
at
each condition inspection.
You have stirred my interest on this and wonder if once again we could
"possible" have a fuel from a certain part of the country that affects these
rubber "O" rings and won't harm them in other parts.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Good idea. Thanks Don.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV going on a diet
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/26/04 7:04:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jablackwell@ev1.net writes:
>
> << from the panel such as a stereo system and loran. Looking for ideas on
> ways to fill in the panel holes and keep it looking good.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
> >>
>
> Jimmie,
> I had a couple occasions where I changed my mind and had to do what
you
> are talking about. I fabricated an alum plate (painted to match the
panel)
> just larger than the hole and attached it to the panel with 4 screws. You
can
> put something else or a label on the plate to make it look like it was
designed
> that way.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 5:01:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
asq1@adelphia.net writes:
<<
Don,
What method did you use to preshrink the tapes? Larry Huntley,Kitfox
4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA do not archive
>>
Larry,
I sat down at the kitchen table and ironed a whole roll of 2" tape to
about 250 degrees. Just kept going back and forth through the whole roll. The
width is uniform enough so you can't see any differences or hour glass effect.
If I remember correctly, it pulled the tapes in about 1/8" from the new
original overall width.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
I wonder if you could soak the entire roll at 250F in an oven? Could be very
expensive if it didn't work. Maybe try it w/ a few strips?
Larry Huntley,Kitfox 4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Heat on wings (was cowling heat)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/27/04 5:01:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> asq1@adelphia.net writes:
>
> <<
> Don,
> What method did you use to preshrink the tapes? Larry Huntley,Kitfox
> 4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA do not archive
> >>
>
> Larry,
> I sat down at the kitchen table and ironed a whole roll of 2" tape to
> about 250 degrees. Just kept going back and forth through the whole roll.
The
> width is uniform enough so you can't see any differences or hour glass
effect.
> If I remember correctly, it pulled the tapes in about 1/8" from the new
> original overall width.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Convert at least one of them into a map pocket/ "glove box"
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
>I am going to shed some pounds off my plane and will be removing several items
from the panel such as a stereo system and loran. Looking for ideas on ways
to fill in the panel holes and keep it looking good.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I have the Purolator filters on my Avid and they have been long term
reliable. Of course they are not in the cowling where they are exposed
to heat, in fact they come straight from the wing tanks and are where I
can see them even in flight, They are isolated from vibration, and I
replace the filter elements and O rings every condition inspection.
Been using them now for 6 years.
Jerry Liles
r.thomas@za.pwc.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
>Hi Gill
>
>If you are referring to filters similar to this
>http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/resources/images/list/fse_puro.jpg then:
>
>A bunch of us used these filters. Out of about 5 of us, 4 failed within a
>short space of time. Luckily mine was the 5th and I removed it before I
>picked up any problems.
>
>The problem appears to be the seals at each end between the glass and
>housing. They seem to perish quickly and the filter begins to suck in air
>and leads to fuel starvation.
>
>Regards
>Roger
>
>
>"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>27/10/2004 05:28 AM
>
>Please respond to
>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
>To
>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>cc
>
>Subject
>Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel filters
>
>
> Size: 5 Kb
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
>Gill:
>
>I know of at least two occurrences of failures of those filters. I would
>not use those filters. Engine failure + in-flight fire = undesiderable
>combo.
>
>Jose
>
>Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque
>
>Hey all Canadian listers,
>
>Can you tell me where I could find the GLASS PUROLATOR FILTERS in
>Canada??? Thanks
>
>Gil Levesque
>C-IGVL
>
>
>Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
>Gil
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat on wings (was cowling heat) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 5:48:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
asq1@adelphia.net writes:
<< wonder if you could soak the entire roll at 250F in an oven? Could be very
expensive if it didn't work. Maybe try it w/ a few strips?
Larry >>
Larry,
Tried that and found it to be unreliable do to heat spikes when the over
thermostat kicks on/off. The temp range is rather narrow and could be
controlled much better with the iron. Besides, I did enough for the whole airplane
(wing tops) in about an hours time.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 6:07:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wliles@bayou.com writes:
<< can see them even in flight, They are isolated from vibration, and I
replace the filter elements and O rings every condition inspection.
Been using them now for 6 years.
Jerry Liles
>>
Jerry,
I have the same setup plus one more just fwd of the inst panel. 3 in use
for 4 years and no problems. The "O" ring lubricant I use says that it may
cause slight swelling of the rubber. I felt this is a good thing. Keeps the
rubber soft and helps to seal with the possible slight swelling.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: 2 questions 914 Turbo and 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Don, Murle Williams weighed a 912 UL with all accessories and fluids and it
came in at 169 lbs. If you can locate the weight difference between the 912
and 914 you will be in the ball park - I think.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 2 questions 914 Turbo and 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> First question, does anyone have the honest to goodness weight of the
Rotax
> 914 Turbo (ready to fly).
>
> Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on my 582 from the
> dual element to two single elements. What are the drawbacks from doing
this? I
> have a feeling that the dual unit causes some tension problems to the carb
> sockets. Not to mention, the single units seem lighter than one dual and
would
> give less weight hanging off the carbs.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IVO prop ---- const speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
John:
I have sent you a attachment on you personal e-mail a copy of what I have on
Ivo's constant speed controller option. I believe it can be supplied for
any of their electric adjustable props (regardless of blade design). I've
not used one, but have strongly considered it once I have my IV going.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO prop ---- const speed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
>
> Hi Jim,
> have you used or know of the new constant speed controller ivo is
> providing
> for the electronic prop.
> I am looking for a new prop that may be the answer.
>
> John Oakley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO prop
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Actually.. The props will work on either the 912 UL or 912 ULS
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floran Higgins
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO prop
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
> The 912UL has a different prop hub than the 912ULS. The same prop will not
> fit both engines.
> Floran H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO prop
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>>
>> The IVO in flight adjustable is a good choice especially if you are
>> considering engine changes as the variable pitch allows you to trim
>> accordingly for the RPM and HP requirements
>>
>> Gary A
>> Lite2/582
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> People,
>> I'm considering putting the ivo prop on the kitfox when I get done
>> rebuilding it. The questions I have are: how does it perform next to the
>> powerfin 3 blade, that's the prop I had on it before. Is it hard to set
>> up
>> or can I set it to a certain setting and go for it. I want the electric
>> adjust and looks like the model 72 is the one I'll be using. I have the
>> kitfox4 1200 with rotax 912ul 80. Next question, if I were to go to the
>> 912s in the future, would this be the wrong prop. thanks.
>> <<<<<<<<<<
>> steve a
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coating on Inside of Cowl To Lowell |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Eric,
I remember the article and it had some interesting points. As I recall they
did touch on color and the various absorptive and reflective qualities of
the different colors.
My cowl has the dark blue also, but only as trim and yes it does get hot in
the sun.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coating on Inside of Cowl To Lowell
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> -Interesting, My only thought here is if you have no cooling problem, to
> -maybe consider other issues. First, does a long time ago mean an
aluminum
> -cowl. Our fiberglass cowls are easily tweaked with a hot air gun to make
> -them fit better. I wonder how constant heat absorption - black - will
> -affect the integrity of the cowl. Mine is unpainted, but if I were to
paint
> -it, it would be white.
>
> Hi Lowell.
> A long time ago was about 3 to 4 years. The article was either in Sport
> Aviation, Kitplanes or the AOPA magazine.
> It probably showed an aluminum cowl. The theme was on cooling the engine
only.
>
> I cannot see constant heat affecting the cowl as there are no strategic
> stress items involved. But I also understand that a composite aircraft
should be
> painted white as there are strategic stress items like the wing needs to
keep
> stuck together.
>
> My Classic IV is dark blue on the outside and gets pretty hot in the
summer
> when standing on the ramp (a good 180 degrees F.) I see no breakdown so
far.
> Other than the fine gelcoat cracks that happened during construction, You
know,
> when you are wrestling with this sloppy thing especially the times you are
by
> yourself. This when I was heating it up and installing the lower cowl.
>
> Greetings. Eric.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jose, can you give more detail on the failures. I use them as do most of my
buddies. If there is a failure mode, I would like to know exactly what it
is.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel filters
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Gill:
>
> I know of at least two occurrences of failures of those filters. I would
not use those filters. Engine failure + in-flight fire = undesiderable
combo.
>
> Jose
>
> Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque
>
> Hey all Canadian listers,
>
> Can you tell me where I could find the GLASS PUROLATOR FILTERS in
Canada??? Thanks
>
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
My thought on these filters also. I have been using two of them in my fuel
system since 1998 and have had no problems at all. Maybe along with the
fuel variations there are o-ring variations. I have reused the o-rings in
the past, but the new elements come with new o-rings and I replace them at
each annual like Don.
Lowell
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From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel filters
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/26/04 11:29:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> r.thomas@za.pwc.com writes:
>
> << The problem appears to be the seals at each end between the glass and
> housing. They seem to perish quickly and the filter begins to suck in air
> and leads to fuel starvation.
> >>
>
> Very interesting. I've had mine on for about 4 years and no problems.
I
> clean the filters when I see anything building up inside. I coat the "O"
> rings with "O" ring lubricant each time and change the filter element/"O"
ring at
> each condition inspection.
> You have stirred my interest on this and wonder if once again we could
> "possible" have a fuel from a certain part of the country that affects
these
> rubber "O" rings and won't harm them in other parts.
>
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | IVO prop ---- const speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I would also like to order a constant speed controller now before you get
behind in production.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO prop ---- const speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Did you say that you made a constant speed controller
for the NSI CAP? I had thought of the same thing, but
figured it was too slow to change and would need
slower throttle movements. What was your experience?
Did it work OK?
Mine wouldn't go into reverse unless I was at low rpm,
like after landing. Yours should have been the same.
Kurt S.
--- John Oakley <joakley@ida.net> wrote:
> John McBean,
> I have a fox 4 speedster 912ul. I flew with a gsc
> prop for the test hours then went to
> a nsi cap. too much work load for my wife. need
> something simple but not ready to
> lose performance. we had setup a constant speed
> control adapted for it from the rc hobby, but
> also need to restrict reverse for her. Maybe new
> cuffs, an overhaul, humm, back to a new prop.
> a decent speed control would make a easy decision.
>
> John Oakley
> Idaho falls, id
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| Subject: | IVO prop ---- const speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Kurt,
we had been playing with a governor from futaba. spread everything out on a
bread board.
now gov, is back in my heli. other (hobby) work got in the way, building
custom rc heli.s.
It could be made to work. but needs electrical guy to design some items,ie;
we were using a servo and rod with micro switches. this way we could
lengthen rod to get longer or
shorter response times. this could be done internally. High speed on the
prop motor is not to bad
but worried about burning it out. need to set up sw. on throttle to shut off
system
at low (or high) throttle or it would go to low (or high) pitch and bang the
end points in the prop case.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO prop ---- const speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Did you say that you made a constant speed controller
for the NSI CAP? I had thought of the same thing, but
figured it was too slow to change and would need
slower throttle movements. What was your experience?
Did it work OK?
Mine wouldn't go into reverse unless I was at low rpm,
like after landing. Yours should have been the same.
Kurt S.
--- John Oakley <joakley@ida.net> wrote:
> John McBean,
> I have a fox 4 speedster 912ul. I flew with a gsc
> prop for the test hours then went to
> a nsi cap. too much work load for my wife. need
> something simple but not ready to
> lose performance. we had setup a constant speed
> control adapted for it from the rc hobby, but
> also need to restrict reverse for her. Maybe new
> cuffs, an overhaul, humm, back to a new prop.
> a decent speed control would make a easy decision.
>
> John Oakley
> Idaho falls, id
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| Subject: | Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
What were the locations of the filters that caused fuel starvation? My GLASS
PUROLATOR FILTERS are located between the wing tanks and header tank and I
don't think an air leak would cause fuel starvation. Does the location make
a difference?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel filters
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Gill
If you are referring to filters similar to this
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/resources/images/list/fse_puro.jpg then:
A bunch of us used these filters. Out of about 5 of us, 4 failed within a
short space of time. Luckily mine was the 5th and I removed it before I
picked up any problems.
The problem appears to be the seals at each end between the glass and
housing. They seem to perish quickly and the filter begins to suck in air
and leads to fuel starvation.
Regards
Roger
"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
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Gill:
I know of at least two occurrences of failures of those filters. I would
not use those filters. Engine failure + in-flight fire = undesiderable
combo.
Jose
Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque
Hey all Canadian listers,
Can you tell me where I could find the GLASS PUROLATOR FILTERS in
Canada??? Thanks
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
---------------------------------
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV going on a diet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
My only response to all of this is what will be your center of gravity
afterwards. The tail might be to heavy afterwards. be careful. When I'm
done with mine I'll be adding trim and ribs to the tail. Then I'll be
putting the stereo in the dash, before all this I had the stereo above my
wife's head tied to the rib and tubes. I figured with the extra weight to
the tail, putting the stereo in the dash couldn't hurt. When I did put the
stereo in the plane I noticed no difference in how the plane performed. I'm
also putting the bigger tank in the left wing.
My advice after you get all done is to reweigh the airplane, might want to
weigh it before also. In fact get the program for the kitfox and start
doing imaginary weight loss at the panel and such and see what it does to
the aircraft.
I like music while flying and having a gps that they would be the last
things I would take out. In fact not only music from the stereo but xm
radio to boot. To make this work I got a portable intercom system and wired
it direct to the system and have it going through the headsets.
Just my 4cents worth
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV going on a diet
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Good idea. Thanks Don.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV going on a diet
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 10/26/04 7:04:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jablackwell@ev1.net writes:
>
> << from the panel such as a stereo system and loran. Looking for ideas on
> ways to fill in the panel holes and keep it looking good.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
> >>
>
> Jimmie,
> I had a couple occasions where I changed my mind and had to do what
you
> are talking about. I fabricated an alum plate (painted to match the
panel)
> just larger than the hole and attached it to the panel with 4 screws. You
can
> put something else or a label on the plate to make it look like it was
designed
> that way.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters |
16:55:02,
Serialize complete at 27/10/2004 16:55:02
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Robert
I guess I should have mentioned these ones were fitted to trikes and not a
KF. (I fly trikes too)
With my experience with them on the trike, I don't think I would be happy
to put one on my KF. My thinking is that if these glass ones have to be
well cared for, I would rather take my chances with a clear plastic, throw
away one, and change it every 25 hours to be safe. Excessive, yes maybe,
but I like the insurance.
Regards
Roger
"Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
What were the locations of the filters that caused fuel starvation? My
GLASS
PUROLATOR FILTERS are located between the wing tanks and header tank and I
don't think an air leak would cause fuel starvation. Does the location
make
a difference?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel filters
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Gill
If you are referring to filters similar to this
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/resources/images/list/fse_puro.jpg then:
A bunch of us used these filters. Out of about 5 of us, 4 failed within a
short space of time. Luckily mine was the 5th and I removed it before I
picked up any problems.
The problem appears to be the seals at each end between the glass and
housing. They seem to perish quickly and the filter begins to suck in air
and leads to fuel starvation.
Regards
Roger
"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Gill:
I know of at least two occurrences of failures of those filters. I would
not use those filters. Engine failure + in-flight fire = undesiderable
combo.
Jose
Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque
Hey all Canadian listers,
Can you tell me where I could find the GLASS PUROLATOR FILTERS in
Canada??? Thanks
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
---------------------------------
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | IVO prop ---- const speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
John O and others interested,
I have done some checking on the IVO constant speed option. It is a turn
knob that one calibrates to their aircraft prior to installation. Once
calibrated, you can install it into the panel and place your graduation of
RPM over the switch. Then turn your switch to 5200, 5400, whatever RPM and
it maintains that RPM through takeoff climb and descent. There is an
override switch that will allow you to go back to manual if needed.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | : REPLY: Wood Props/ Float Planes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry Huston" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
> Doug
> Your point on wood props is right on --- Im starting to nibble the tips
> off.
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DPREMGOOD@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO PROP --- More Questions
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
>>
>> Barry,
>>
>> My understanding is that a wooden prop on floats is a no no.
>>
>> If any waterspray hits that prop, it is like kicking up stones. It will
>> do
>> damage to your prop.
>>
>> As for the IVO, there are many more people on the list that can answer
>> that
>> question better than I could.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Doug Remoundos
>> Classic IV
>> Montreal, Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | repost from R.A.H. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
This summer an RAA member suffered the loss of a prop blade on his
amphibious 912S Kitfox, that was equipped with a NSI CAP 140 propeller.The
engine immediately broke from its mount, but fortunately was retained by the
hoses and cables. The pilot was able to make a successful emergency landing
with the departed blade stuck into his float.
The NSI CAP 140 prop is in-flight adjustable and has three Warp Drive
blades that are modified by the addition of an aluminum cuff that fits into
the NSI hub. There have so far been two versions of this cuff, with a third
version about to be released. Some applications will have their effective
lives limited by this AD, and others are grounded immediately. New version 3
parts are not yet ready, so some planes will be grounded until parts are
available near the end of this year.
Effective immediately, all 912S Rotax engines with either the version 1
or version 2 cuff are grounded. These parts may not be used any longer. Ship
your blades to NSI for installation of the version 3 cuff. Lance Wheeler has
told me this morning that the cost will be under $500 US.
Effective immediately, all 912 engines with the version 1 cuff are
limited to 500 hours. All 912 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited to
1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
version 3 cuff.
Effective immediately, all 914 engines with the version 1 cuff are
limited to 700 hours. All 914 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited to
1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
version 3 cuff.
In Lance Wheeler's estimate, blades fitted with the version 3 cuff will
have an effective life of 2000 hours.This estimate has been calculated by
Finite Element Analysis. The full story on this will be printed in the next
issue of the Recreational Flyer.
Gary Wolf
President, RAA Canada
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Re: repost from R.A.H. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Folks,
This is good news, and I'll really hope this in some way -can credit Gary..
Torgeir.
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:04:43 -0500, Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> This summer an RAA member suffered the loss of a prop blade on his
> amphibious 912S Kitfox, that was equipped with a NSI CAP 140
> propeller.The
> engine immediately broke from its mount, but fortunately was retained by
> the
> hoses and cables. The pilot was able to make a successful emergency
> landing
> with the departed blade stuck into his float.
>
> The NSI CAP 140 prop is in-flight adjustable and has three Warp Drive
> blades that are modified by the addition of an aluminum cuff that fits
> into
> the NSI hub. There have so far been two versions of this cuff, with a
> third
> version about to be released. Some applications will have their effective
> lives limited by this AD, and others are grounded immediately. New
> version 3
> parts are not yet ready, so some planes will be grounded until parts are
> available near the end of this year.
>
> Effective immediately, all 912S Rotax engines with either the version
> 1
> or version 2 cuff are grounded. These parts may not be used any longer.
> Ship
> your blades to NSI for installation of the version 3 cuff. Lance Wheeler
> has
> told me this morning that the cost will be under $500 US.
>
> Effective immediately, all 912 engines with the version 1 cuff are
> limited to 500 hours. All 912 engines with the version 2 cuff are
> limited to
> 1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
> version 3 cuff.
>
> Effective immediately, all 914 engines with the version 1 cuff are
> limited to 700 hours. All 914 engines with the version 2 cuff are
> limited to
> 1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
> version 3 cuff.
>
> In Lance Wheeler's estimate, blades fitted with the version 3 cuff
> will
> have an effective life of 2000 hours.This estimate has been calculated by
> Finite Element Analysis. The full story on this will be printed in the
> next
> issue of the Recreational Flyer.
>
>
> Gary Wolf
> President, RAA Canada
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 7:42:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Robert_Harris@intuit.com writes:
<< What were the locations of the filters that caused fuel starvation? My
GLASS
PUROLATOR FILTERS are located between the wing tanks and header tank and I
don't think an air leak would cause fuel starvation. Does the location make
a difference?
Robert
>>
Robert,
I would say that location is important as far as an air leak problem
goes. Filters between the wing tank and the header would not cause an air leak
problem. An air leak problem would only occur if the filter is located on the
suction side which is between the header and the engine. I had an air leak
problem during the early engine run time. My leak was associated with the primer
circuit.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 8:56:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
r.thomas@za.pwc.com writes:
<< I guess I should have mentioned these ones were fitted to trikes and not a
KF. (I fly trikes too)
With my experience with them on the trike, I don't think I would be happy
to put one on my KF. My thinking is that if these glass ones have to be
well cared for, I would rather take my chances with a clear plastic, throw
away one, and change it every 25 hours to be safe. Excessive, yes maybe,
but I like the insurance.
Regards
Roger >>
Roger,
This might be all apples and oranges situation. One thing you might
consider. The Purolators will show you if you have any water collected. A paper
filter will "clog" if saturated with water. There is no special care required
with the glass Purolator filters. You can see what's happening at a glance.
If there is water or debris in the filter, it's easy to see and take care of.
IMHO, the glass Purolators are the insurance you're looking for.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Old friend,
Things is straightened out, -and life is smiling... :)
(I'm thinking of you, when you're missing the smell of the two stroke
oil.. :) -and all that charm..)
Well, I been on and off line for some time, but now I'll hope that things
is some stabilized.
Torgeir.
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:58:18 +0200 (CEST), Michel Verheughe
<michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
>> Just a small input from the (not that cold) high North.
>
> Hei Morten, glad to see you fixed your ISP problem.
>
> Med vennlig hilsen,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coating on Inside of Cowl To Lowell |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 6:41:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
<< I remember the article and it had some interesting points. As I recall
they
did touch on color and the various absorptive and reflective qualities of
the different colors.
>>
I spent a little time today thinking about the painting of the cowl
insides and looked at mine. I noticed that the insides are full of thousands of
little pockets caused by the fiberglass fabric showing through. If I had to do
all over again, I'd apply a thin layer of epoxy resin to the insides of the
cowl. This will do a couple things. One, it will seal the rather porous
insides of the cowl to keep oil or fuel from seeping into the fiberglass. Two,
it
will make the insides easier to clean. Third and maybe most important, the
addition of a light epoxy coating adds a tremendous amount of strength to the
fiberglass cowl when all those thousands of little pockets are filled. The
amount of epoxy is probably around a cup or 2 for the job and might be well worth
the weight gain.
You can add color to the epoxy or leave it clear.
Just a thought
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:NSI Prop Failure - My final posting on this forum |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Gary,
Sorry for this late reply.
If there is a place where such a problem can be discussed, this is the
place..
I'm sure every one agree here, -and it is very much in our interest to
know your story.
Who would not be upset in such a situation??
Cheers
Torgeir.
> Sorry guys. I know a technical forum is no place for these kinds of
> comments. My plane is trashed and my daughter and myself came pretty
> close to being injured or killed. This incident was avoidable. I am
> very upset, but I do not want to get kicked off this forum.
>
> From now on, if anyone wants to talk to me about this incident, please
> contact me OFF LIST.
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
>
> kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 10/20/2004 11:29 PM
> Please respond to kitfox-list
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electric Prop Failure - October
> Update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Gary,
>
> We appreciate your keeping us up to date on this. Is
> there a good way to determine if we have the old or
> new prop flanges? I would like to inspect mine, if
> possible for them. Widh I knew about this before I
> rebuilt it last Spring.
>
> Kurt S. S-5 w/NSI-soob & CAP prop
>
> --- kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com> wrote:
>
>> In mid August I put a posting on this forum
>> regarding an incident where a blade departed in
>> flight from my NSI CAP 140 electric prop.
>> ............
>> Gary Walsh
>> C-GOOT
>> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: repost from R.A.H. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Gary,
Glad to hear that action has been taken over this NSI prop failure issue.
Unfortunatly a great product can get a bad reputation in a hurry for not
being more responsive to situations like this one.
I hope all NSI folks get their props and repaired immediately. Even though
the cost will be under $ 500.00 if is still a cost that the manufacture does
not want to fully absorb, so it seems.
It a heck of a lot cheaper and sensible to take a hit on it and have alot of
Happy folks than have a whole bunch agravated over a few dollars.
NSI is not the only outfit in town............either
hence: some will remember the actions of others
Shorty ............ :< )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: repost from R.A.H.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> This summer an RAA member suffered the loss of a prop blade on his
> amphibious 912S Kitfox, that was equipped with a NSI CAP 140 propeller.The
> engine immediately broke from its mount, but fortunately was retained by
the
> hoses and cables. The pilot was able to make a successful emergency
landing
> with the departed blade stuck into his float.
>
> The NSI CAP 140 prop is in-flight adjustable and has three Warp Drive
> blades that are modified by the addition of an aluminum cuff that fits
into
> the NSI hub. There have so far been two versions of this cuff, with a
third
> version about to be released. Some applications will have their effective
> lives limited by this AD, and others are grounded immediately. New version
3
> parts are not yet ready, so some planes will be grounded until parts are
> available near the end of this year.
>
> Effective immediately, all 912S Rotax engines with either the version 1
> or version 2 cuff are grounded. These parts may not be used any longer.
Ship
> your blades to NSI for installation of the version 3 cuff. Lance Wheeler
has
> told me this morning that the cost will be under $500 US.
>
> Effective immediately, all 912 engines with the version 1 cuff are
> limited to 500 hours. All 912 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited
to
> 1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
> version 3 cuff.
>
> Effective immediately, all 914 engines with the version 1 cuff are
> limited to 700 hours. All 914 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited
to
> 1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
> version 3 cuff.
>
> In Lance Wheeler's estimate, blades fitted with the version 3 cuff will
> have an effective life of 2000 hours.This estimate has been calculated by
> Finite Element Analysis. The full story on this will be printed in the
next
> issue of the Recreational Flyer.
>
>
> Gary Wolf
> President, RAA Canada
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
I talked to Dawn at NSI today. They are getting ready to send notices to cap
owners.
the mode 3 cuffs will not be ready for a month and a half or so. New type
blades in the spring.
I am glad to see a positive move for us owners, cost or not. thanks to Gary
for his input, its not
easy to be in the lime lite.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
Subject: Kitfox-List: repost from R.A.H.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
This summer an RAA member suffered the loss of a prop blade on his
amphibious 912S Kitfox, that was equipped with a NSI CAP 140 propeller.The
engine immediately broke from its mount, but fortunately was retained by the
hoses and cables. The pilot was able to make a successful emergency landing
with the departed blade stuck into his float.
The NSI CAP 140 prop is in-flight adjustable and has three Warp Drive
blades that are modified by the addition of an aluminum cuff that fits into
the NSI hub. There have so far been two versions of this cuff, with a third
version about to be released. Some applications will have their effective
lives limited by this AD, and others are grounded immediately. New version 3
parts are not yet ready, so some planes will be grounded until parts are
available near the end of this year.
Effective immediately, all 912S Rotax engines with either the version 1
or version 2 cuff are grounded. These parts may not be used any longer. Ship
your blades to NSI for installation of the version 3 cuff. Lance Wheeler has
told me this morning that the cost will be under $500 US.
Effective immediately, all 912 engines with the version 1 cuff are
limited to 500 hours. All 912 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited to
1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
version 3 cuff.
Effective immediately, all 914 engines with the version 1 cuff are
limited to 700 hours. All 914 engines with the version 2 cuff are limited to
1000 hours. Blades must then be shipped to NSI for installation of the
version 3 cuff.
In Lance Wheeler's estimate, blades fitted with the version 3 cuff will
have an effective life of 2000 hours.This estimate has been calculated by
Finite Element Analysis. The full story on this will be printed in the next
issue of the Recreational Flyer.
Gary Wolf
President, RAA Canada
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on |
my 582 from the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on my 582 from the
dual element to two single elements.
Somewhere in all my stuff I have an AD regarding this change and as I
remember a jet change is required. Probably no big deal if you are watching
your plugs anyway. Re the weight on the carby sockets I think the dual
filter has to be the better choice but what I've done is shorten up a octpus
strap and run it around under the carb/airfilter junction area to support
the assembly. I know these sockets crack on all sorts of motors and do need
help in someway. If they crack you may miss it and get a lean mixture then
if you miss that on your EGT you will probably melt a hole in a piston. The
strap might look untidy but if you hook the ends together under the carbs
it's not bad and a damn sight safer for you and the engine.
Rex Shaw
Australia.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter |
on my 582 from the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Rex,
Don't change to two separate filters, -just like that..
Here's my why:
This lower the mass in each unit, I.E. the resonant freq. will be higher
(as less mass)!
Today-, the double assy represent a "low" resonant frequency, I.E. the
shaking will be present at a low RPM (better for us), -as an example, -
say 2600 RPM.
If the unit mass is reduced, the resonance freq. will increase!
Then, -do we want this to occur at (say) 3000 RPM?? Obviously not, so
keep your old setup, avoid lowering the total mass, as this will increase
the resonance frequency.
Be sure, if you lower the mass of each carb., the resonant (vibration)
will occur at a higher freq., -and the whole thing become worse...
(This is one of the thing I'm working with every day, -in the aviation!)
Fly safe, and do your maintenance inspection as req..
Do your "warm up" at; at least 3000 RPM, -or at the speed that has no
vibration present.
(At more than 3000 RPM there should normally not be any increased
vibration resonance freq..)
PS. There should not be any resonant or "increased vibration" above 3000
RPM.
Fly safe.
Torgeir.
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:02:57 +0930, Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on my 582 from
> the
> dual element to two single elements.
>
> Somewhere in all my stuff I have an AD regarding this change and as I
> remember a jet change is required. Probably no big deal if you are
> watching
> your plugs anyway. Re the weight on the carby sockets I think the dual
> filter has to be the better choice but what I've done is shorten up a
> octpus
> strap and run it around under the carb/airfilter junction area to support
> the assembly. I know these sockets crack on all sorts of motors and do
> need
> help in someway. If they crack you may miss it and get a lean mixture
> then
> if you miss that on your EGT you will probably melt a hole in a piston.
> The
> strap might look untidy but if you hook the ends together under the carbs
> it's not bad and a damn sight safer for you and the engine.
>
> Rex Shaw
>
> Australia.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi all !'
When the weather gets colder (like now!!!) do all you 582ers, change your main
jets??? To what size??
Seems to me that since the cooler or colder weather is here ,my EGT's are higher!!?????
Also what thermostat should I be running in a 582?
Thanx
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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| Subject: | Re: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
I agree with Don Smythe,
I've had mine installed for over 4 years, and check them at the annual
conditioning inspection. I've replaced the filters each inspection because of
a slight fiberglass fuzz from the wingtanks. This last inspection they were clear
and no sign of contamination, so I didn't touch them. I've never replaced
any of the O rings, as they've always sealed just fine. One thing
about the inline purolator filters between the wing tanks and the header tank,
Is, you can always inspect them for fuel flow and contamination before, during,
and after when you fly. I think there are the best you can get.
David N317DY IV 1200
250 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Location of Fuel Filter and starvation: Fuel filters
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/04 8:56:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
r.thomas@za.pwc.com writes:
<< I guess I should have mentioned these ones were fitted to trikes and not a
KF. (I fly trikes too)
With my experience with them on the trike, I don't think I would be happy
to put one on my KF. My thinking is that if these glass ones have to be
well cared for, I would rather take my chances with a clear plastic, throw
away one, and change it every 25 hours to be safe. Excessive, yes maybe,
but I like the insurance.
Regards
Roger >>
Roger,
This might be all apples and oranges situation. One thing you might
consider. The Purolators will show you if you have any water collected. A paper
filter will "clog" if saturated with water. There is no special care required
with the glass Purolator filters. You can see what's happening at a glance.
If there is water or debris in the filter, it's easy to see and take care of.
IMHO, the glass Purolators are the insurance you're looking for.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Coating on Inside of Cowl To David Estapa, Conclusion! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
The original question from David.
David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa
-->I'm painting the cowl and wonder what's been used inside the cowl. I have
-->A S 5, S 912, and smooth cowl. Any help will be appreciated.
Hi David.
My suggestion would be:
Use a low gloss black polyurethane. 1/ It looks good over the fiberglass.
2/ Being polyurethane,
it will not get harmed with fuel
or oils
3/ Being black, it will
absorb heat from the
engine. Keeping the motor cooler. You do not want
to paint the inside white.
Greetings. Eric Ashman<--
Well, David.
The fantastic thing about making an inquiry on the list is the lots of
information you get in return.
To sum-up. I think painting the inside of the cowling is a good thing. Some
said that it protects the fiberglass from absorbing oil and fuel (could break
down). Some said they wouldn't, (adds weight or no point). this is they're
prerogative and I have to agree.
The issue of too much engine heat! I said, I learned this from a magazine and
also sense says that black will absorb heat. I do not know of a circumstance
when the fiberglass cowling of a Kitfox or any other vehicle (race cars or
outboard engine covers for some boats) had a problem because the engine cover was
black on the inside.
That being said. We sometimes have factual evidence or we could have opinions.
The point I am trying to make is, this is a healthy conversation room.
I sometimes imagine these conversations going on in one large hanger, all
sharing our opinions and evidence... What a blast!!
Conclusion. David, If you feel you want to, paint it (any color) Epoxy,
Polyurethane or use epoxy resin. I don't think anyone has had a problem on this
matter.
Greetings.
Eric Ashman. Classic IV, Atlanta area.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Excellent idea. That's why I love this list.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV going on a diet
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> Convert at least one of them into a map pocket/ "glove box"
>
> Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> >I am going to shed some pounds off my plane and will be removing several
items from the panel such as a stereo system and loran. Looking for ideas
on ways to fill in the panel holes and keep it looking good.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | My 912 Won't Stop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Darn it. If something was to go right with my 912 I would be delighted. Today,
after improving the ground wires for the ignition switch and master switch my
engine would not shut down. Had to shut off the fuel to get the engine to stop.
I did note that when starting I had to hold the key in just the right place to
get the starter to engage. What you folks think, did my ACS ignition switch go
bad suddenly or did my tinkering go bad.
One of these days I just might be an asset to this list after I get done making
all the mistakes.
Please someone help. I can't stand it anymore, I need to fly a little, not work
on it all the time.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV going on a diet |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:22:32 -0500
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
You could just -- PUT A SOCK IN IT! Just kidding!!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV going on a diet
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
Excellent idea. That's why I love this list.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com<mailto:wliles@bayou.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV going on a diet
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com<mailto:wliles@bayou.com>>
>
> Convert at least one of them into a map pocket/ "glove box"
>
> Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
> >
> >I am going to shed some pounds off my plane and will be removing several
items from the panel such as a stereo system and loran. Looking for ideas
on ways to fill in the panel holes and keep it looking good.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My 912 Won't Stop |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:25:11 -0500
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I have somehow accumulated four ignition switches. If you need one I'll drop them
off and you can have a look. One should work!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My 912 Won't Stop
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
Darn it. If something was to go right with my 912 I would be delighted. Today,
after improving the ground wires for the ignition switch and master switch
my engine would not shut down. Had to shut off the fuel to get the engine to
stop.
I did note that when starting I had to hold the key in just the right place to
get the starter to engage. What you folks think, did my ACS ignition switch
go bad suddenly or did my tinkering go bad.
One of these days I just might be an asset to this list after I get done making
all the mistakes.
Please someone help. I can't stand it anymore, I need to fly a little, not work
on it all the time.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: 582 main jets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Beck" <trevor@inter.net>
I go from 165s to 170s for the Chicago winter. Colder, drier, denser air
requires more fuel to maintain the correct mixture.
I use a 160 degree thermostat year round.
Robert Beck
>
> Hi all !'
>
> When the weather gets colder (like now!!!) do all you 582ers, change your
main jets??? To what size??
>
> Seems to me that since the cooler or colder weather is here ,my EGT's are
higher!!?????
> Also what thermostat should I be running in a 582?
> Thanx
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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