---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/01/04: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:01 AM - Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] (Matt Dralle) 2. 06:03 AM - LP Aero Doors (Jeffrey Puls) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors (Larry Huntley) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors (STEPHEN ZAKRESKI) 5. 08:46 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors (kurt schrader) 6. 08:54 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors (Fox5flyer) 7. 09:43 AM - Re: KitFox accident (kurt schrader) 8. 10:18 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors () 9. 11:01 AM - Re: Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] (Don Pearsall) 10. 12:45 PM - Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Dee Young) 11. 01:28 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Michael Gibbard) 12. 01:52 PM - Window repair help! (KITFOXPILOT@att.net) 13. 02:02 PM - Re: Window repair help! (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 14. 02:02 PM - Re: Completion of N854JB - Series 6 912S (Bill Hammond) 15. 02:59 PM - Re: Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on m... (Torgeir Mortensen) 16. 02:59 PM - Re: Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on m... (Torgeir Mortensen) 17. 02:59 PM - Re: [off-topic] Meeting. (Torgeir Mortensen) 18. 03:52 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Dee Young) 19. 04:02 PM - Re: LP Aero Doors (David Savener) 20. 04:06 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Torgeir Mortensen) 21. 04:17 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Torgeir Mortensen) 22. 04:20 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Dee Young) 23. 04:41 PM - How do I know if I have resistor caps on my 582? Whatever came with the (Rex & Jan Shaw) 24. 04:47 PM - Re: A New Temperature Control System (Torgeir Mortensen) 25. 07:21 PM - Re: radiator and cooling (EMAproducts@aol.com) 26. 07:54 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Bruce Harrington) 27. 08:17 PM - Re: Completion of N854JB - Series 6 912S (kurt schrader) 28. 08:18 PM - Re: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system (Dee Young) 29. 08:36 PM - Re: A New Temperature Control System (Guy Buchanan) 30. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: radiator and cooling (Guy Buchanan) 31. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: radiator and cooling (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like Fund Raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Email List servers at Matronics. The Lists sponsored here are supported solely though the direct contributions of its members each year during the Fund Raiser. As you have likely noticed, there is no commercial advertising on any of the Lists or on any of the List-related web sites such as the List Browser and List Search Engine. That doesn't mean they're free to operate, however. To run a first class, high-performance, highly-available service such as the Forums at Matronics, its take resources. These resources fall into the categories of financial and personnel. As far as "personnel" is concerned, its a one-man show and I perform all of the work required to operate and upgrade the Lists without being directly compensated for my work. But that's a labor of love. The financial resources required, on the other hand, are covered primarily though the generous contributions of the List members. Direct costs include, for example, a commercial-grade T1 line Internet connection dedicated primarily to serving the Lister Community. This T1 Internet connection provides a high-performance, dedicated connection to the Archive and Browsing Tools and assures the quickest, most reliable delivery of List messages. It seems like there's always an upgrade required and this year I've added an all new online backup system to automatically backup all of the Lists Archives as well as provide for complete system disaster recovery. This new system would enable me to restore the email and/or web server systems to 100% in only a couple of hours if one of them were to blow up. The number of messages processed by the Matronics Forums continues to increase as well. In the last 12 months, there have been over 70,000 unique messages posted across the various lists, amounting to well over 32 MILLION messages that have been redistributed to List members in that same period! The List web site also sees an equally high level of traffic with some 148,000 Archive searches performed last year and a staggering 13 million web site hits! During the month of November, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message a couple of times a week and I ask for your patience and understanding during this time. The Fund Raiser is the sole means of support for the Lists, and the existence and longevity of the Lists hinges directly its success. This year once again, Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore has provided a number of great incentive gifts during the Fund Raiser. Andy provides these items to me at a substantial discount and they have proven to be very popular among the Listers. Thank you Andy for your extraordinary generosity and support of the Lists again this year! Please visit Andy's web site, the Builder's Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com If you use the Matronics Email Lists and enjoy the quick and easy access to one of the best resources on the Internet for Homebuilt and General aviation discussion forums, please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation. Remember, its *your* Contribution that keeps these Lists running. The Contribution web site is freshly updated with a list of all new incentive gifts! Transactions are SSL secured and you can make your Contribution using a credit card, Paypal, or a personal check. The Contribution web site can be found at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:54 AM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The information packet says to use a band saw to trim the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with something else? The last time I trimmed a window I was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV Jeffrey Puls pulsair@mindspring.com Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:37 AM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" Jeff, I believe that is acrylic and I would find someone w/ a bandsaw. You might cut it w/ something else ,but I sure wouldn't try it. You might call George at LP Aero for other advice. They are quite helpful. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The information packet says to use a band saw to trim the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with something else? The last time I trimmed a window I was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV > > > Jeffrey Puls > pulsair@mindspring.com > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:04 AM PST US From: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI I used a Dremmel with a cutoff wheel. SteveZ Calgary ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Huntley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" > > Jeff, > I believe that is acrylic and I would find someone w/ a bandsaw. > You might > cut it w/ something else ,but I sure wouldn't try it. You might > call George > at LP Aero for other advice. They are quite helpful. Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Puls" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > > > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The information > packet says > to use a band saw to trim the window. The blade goes in one > direction. I do > not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with something else? The > last time > I trimmed a window I was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV > > > > > > Jeffrey Puls > > pulsair@mindspring.com > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > _- > _-> _- > _- > _- > ===================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:21 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I also used a dremmel with a cutoff wheel. Did 5 doors, 1 windscreen, and 3 windows without a problem. You have to clean up the edges after, but the cutting works fine. I would think a band saw would be more risky since a tooth can catch and crack the plastic. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Jeffrey Puls wrote: > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The > information packet says to use a band saw to trim > the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do > not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with > something else? The last time I trimmed a window I > was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV > > > Jeffrey Puls > pulsair@mindspring.com __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:41 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" An air powered die grinder with flexible abrasive fiber wheel works great. Just take a little at a time until you get it the size you want, then use the same setup to initially smooth the edges before using sand paper. If you use the thin wheel its flexibility will inhibit any tendency to crack the acrylic. Darrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The information packet says to use a band saw to trim the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with something else? The last time I trimmed a window I was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV > > > Jeffrey Puls > pulsair@mindspring.com > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:12 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KitFox accident --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader FYI Speaking of Ft Pierce FL and Kitfoxs, I was told yesterday of a KF II accident there. Pilots were David Caddorette and Kevin Holcum. Only minor injuries. Engine failure at low altitude and a tree landing. My sister read it out of their newspaper, so that is all I know. Kurt S. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:55 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: I would think a Roto-zip tool would work too. But you'd want to either experiment, or get LP Aeros approval before doing that. I've used my roto-zip on plastic before and it works better than anything else I tried. Just a suggestion. Paul Seehafer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > An air powered die grinder with flexible abrasive fiber wheel works great. > Just take a little at a time until you get it the size you want, then use > the same setup to initially smooth the edges before using sand paper. If > you use the thin wheel its flexibility will inhibit any tendency to crack > the acrylic. > Darrel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Puls" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" >> >> >> I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The information packet says > to use a band saw to trim the window. The blade goes in one direction. I > do > not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with something else? The last > time > I trimmed a window I was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV >> >> >> Jeffrey Puls >> pulsair@mindspring.com >> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:13 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" As list co-administrator, I must also encourage all Listers to contribute to Matt Dralle's fund-raising efforts. I am going to contribute too, as should everyone. Matt has brought you all excellent list service for almost a year now, and everyone here knows how useful and valuable the list is. The yearly fund-raiser is the only reimbursement that Matt gets for running the lists, and it must pay for all his expenses for the entire year. Please contribute what you can. Thank you, Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: Matronics 2004 Email List Fund Raiser [PLEASE READ] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like Fund Raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Email List servers at Matronics. The Lists sponsored here are supported solely though the direct contributions of its members each year during the Fund Raiser. As you have likely noticed, there is no commercial advertising on any of the Lists or on any of the List-related web sites such as the List Browser and List Search Engine. That doesn't mean they're free to operate, however. To run a first class, high-performance, highly-available service such as the Forums at Matronics, its take resources. These resources fall into the categories of financial and personnel. As far as "personnel" is concerned, its a one-man show and I perform all of the work required to operate and upgrade the Lists without being directly compensated for my work. But that's a labor of love. The financial resources required, on the other hand, are covered primarily though the generous contributions of the List members. Direct costs include, for example, a commercial-grade T1 line Internet connection dedicated primarily to serving the Lister Community. This T1 Internet connection provides a high-performance, dedicated connection to the Archive and Browsing Tools and assures the quickest, most reliable delivery of List messages. It seems like there's always an upgrade required and this year I've added an all new online backup system to automatically backup all of the Lists Archives as well as provide for complete system disaster recovery. This new system would enable me to restore the email and/or web server systems to 100% in only a couple of hours if one of them were to blow up. The number of messages processed by the Matronics Forums continues to increase as well. In the last 12 months, there have been over 70,000 unique messages posted across the various lists, amounting to well over 32 MILLION messages that have been redistributed to List members in that same period! The List web site also sees an equally high level of traffic with some 148,000 Archive searches performed last year and a staggering 13 million web site hits! During the month of November, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message a couple of times a week and I ask for your patience and understanding during this time. The Fund Raiser is the sole means of support for the Lists, and the existence and longevity of the Lists hinges directly its success. This year once again, Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore has provided a number of great incentive gifts during the Fund Raiser. Andy provides these items to me at a substantial discount and they have proven to be very popular among the Listers. Thank you Andy for your extraordinary generosity and support of the Lists again this year! Please visit Andy's web site, the Builder's Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com If you use the Matronics Email Lists and enjoy the quick and easy access to one of the best resources on the Internet for Homebuilt and General aviation discussion forums, please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation. Remember, its *your* Contribution that keeps these Lists running. The Contribution web site is freshly updated with a list of all new incentive gifts! Transactions are SSL secured and you can make your Contribution using a credit card, Paypal, or a personal check. The Contribution web site can be found at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:35 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has not since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both pilot and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system alone. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Dee Young Model II N345DY > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:27 PM PST US From: "Michael Gibbard" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Gibbard" Here is a link for the intercom: I hope it helps' http://www.sigtronics.com/air/pdf/spo20.pdf Michael Gibbered ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has not > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both pilot > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system alone. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY > > >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:49 PM PST US From: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Window repair help! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Today I discovered that one of my rear windows had separated at the sewn seam! Any help on the best method of making a repair? Ray Today I discovered that one of my rear windows had separated at the sewn seam! Any help on the best method of making a repair? Ray ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:18 PM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Window repair help! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net Skystar offers a hard panel retrofit that I found to be superior to the sewn in type. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net > > Today I discovered that one of my rear windows had separated at the sewn seam! > Any help on the best method of making a repair? > > Ray > > > > > > Today I discovered that one of my rear windows had separated at the sewn seam! > Any help on the best method of making a repair? > > Ray > > > > > > > > Skystar offers a hard panel retrofit that I found to be superior to the sewn in type. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Today I discovered that one of my rear windows had separated at the sewn seam! Any help on the best method of making a repair? Ray Today I discovered that one of my rear windows had separated at the sewn seam! Any help on the best method of making a repair? Ray er. Click on the nics.com/subscription ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:44 PM PST US From: Bill Hammond Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Completion of N854JB - Series 6 912S --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond Here is some of the information that you were looking for from my Series 6. It compares some of the data in Ed Downs' book "Flying the Kitfox" along with what I encountered. More information is available on my Web site at www.itsys3.com/kitfox. Average Empty Weight: 750 pounds N913KF Empty Weight: 790.7 pounds Maximum Gross Weight: 1550 pounds Average Useful Load: 800 pounds N913KF Useful Load: 759.3 pounds Cargo Bay Max: 150 pounds Stall Speed (Vso): 43 mph N913KF Stall Speed (Vso): 39 mph Best Angle of Climb Speed (Vx): 55-60 mph N913KF Best Angle (Vx): 54 mph (625 fpm from 6500' to 9500') Best Rate of Climb Speed (Vy): 65-70 mph N913KF Best Rate (Vy): 65 mph 681 fpm from 6500' to 9500') Maximum Flap Extended Speed (Vfe): 80 mph Average Cruise Speed: 110-120 mph N913KF Cruise Speed: 119 mph Maneuvering Speed (Va): 92 mph Maximum Normal Operate Speed (Vno): 120 mph Never Exceed Speed (Vne): 140 mph Load Limits: +3.8g to -1.52g Average Takeoff Ground Roll: 300 feet Average Landing Ground Roll: 300 feet Average Rate of Climb: 1200 feet/minute N913KF Service Ceiling: Still climbing 400 fpm at 14,500' At 21:29 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" > >The kit arrived Nov 8, 2001. After spending 33 months in our 2 car garage >and 3 months in the hangar N854JB is finally complete. It seems the FAA >agrees. I should receive the airworthiness certificate and limitations >tomorrow. Next item is the first test flight. > > >Basic info: > >Empty Weight 814 lb > >Useful Load 736 lb > >Landing Gear Tri-gear > >Engine 912S 100HP > >Stock S-6 no S-7 upgrades > >Propeller Warp Drive 72" 3 blade set to 15 deg. at tip - 5100 >Static RPM > > >I would appreciate hearing from S-6 drivers with the 912 S the following >airspeeds. > > >Rotate > >Liftoff > >Vx > >Vy > >Vs0 > >Vs1 > >Va > >Best Glide > > >Thanks in advance! > > >John Banes > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on m... From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen > Torgeir, > I will keep your post for further study. Your post are usually heavy > enough that I can't get through them in a quick way. BTW, that's meant > as a > complement. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > Do Not Archive I'll know - Thanks. Cheers Torgeir. > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Second question, I'm thinking of changing the airfilter on m... From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Guy, My Pleassure. Regards Torgeir. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:12:32 -0700, Guy Buchanan wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > airfilter on m... > > At 01:17 AM 10/29/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >> In the past, I've been talking about an "alternative" true mixture >> system >> for the two strokes. > > Torgier, > Thanks for keeping us abreast of what I consider "essential" > modifications. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Meeting. From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Michel, Hmm. This will be interesting. Think about this; no need to expect an ANR headseth under the Christmas tree (cause you don't need it), since your new engine don't make much noise. ( :) ) I'll bet you're in deep concentration, preparing this engine installation. And-, keep us informed about the progress -pictures is handy, you know... :) Thanks. Cheers Torgeir. Do not archive On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:04:25 +0200 (CEST), Michel Verheughe wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] >> One day we have to meet.. > > We will, Torgeir. And my new Jabiru will increase the chances to see me > flying longer northward. > BTW, as I sorted out my "to keep" folder with old tips on the 582, I > came across something you wrote to me, in Norwegian, nearly two years > ago, about taking-off with the Kitfox. Very good stuff, I still enjoy > reading it and ...will keep it in the folder, of course! > > Med vennlig hilsen, > Michel > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:36 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:51:55 -0700 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Thanks Michael Do Not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Gibbard To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Gibbard" > Here is a link for the intercom: I hope it helps' http://www.sigtronics.com/air/pdf/spo20.pdf Michael Gibbered ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Young" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has not > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both pilot > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system alone. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY > > >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:34 PM PST US From: "David Savener" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:00:39 -0600 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" I also used a Dremmel. Then I used a sanding drum to even up the edges. Then I used a Dremmel with a buffing/polishing wheel with first rubbing compound then polishing compound and the edges looked just like the surface. ----- Original Message ----- From: kurt schrader To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > I also used a dremmel with a cutoff wheel. Did 5 doors, 1 windscreen, and 3 windows without a problem. You have to clean up the edges after, but the cutting works fine. I would think a band saw would be more risky since a tooth can catch and crack the plastic. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Jeffrey Puls > wrote: > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The > information packet says to use a band saw to trim > the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do > not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with > something else? The last time I trimmed a window I > was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV > > > Jeffrey Puls > pulsair@mindspring.com __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Dee, First we need to "talk" a little about this intercom. The SPA 400 is system designed for light aircraft, in general. This unit can accept four headseth in total, the two forward installed headset can be used against the radio as both positions have it's own key (but not the aft. two). Of course, in a Kitfox we are only using the two with the radio key line. When you use the key, is it the pilot's (L/H) or is it the copilot's key? This is important, because the pilots key line have priority over the copilot key... Now, if any of those key's is operated (I.E. by a temporary short), the intercom amplifier is going to "sidetone" mode. So the intercom in the SPA 400 is producing "synthetic" sidetone, for ease op corp. between the crew, but also to "indicate" transmit mode. Let me suggest, if your copilot key line is grounded by some reason, this block your intercom. Then if you press the pilots key, the copilots key is disabled (yes internally in the SPA 400), and transmission will be possible from the pilots position, -but the intercom system will be dead. The white/blue wire is the key line for the pilot, this wire is grounded when pressing pilots transmit key. The white/red wire is the same as the above function, but for the copilot. Both those two wires is normally routed to each mike jack, connected to the "tip" solder lip. Those two wires is also connected to each of the transmit switches. The reason for key line going to the mike jack, sure- to be able to use the "old" style hand mike's. Remember, those are still standards and an emergency handmike might be handy -in case. Well, here is a link to the setup of a Sigtronics SPA 400, thou without the transmitter keys. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1023463852 Hope this helps. Regards Torgeir. On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:44:48 -0700, Dee Young wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has > not > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both > pilot > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system > alone. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY > > >> >> > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hey, isn't this the direct link to the SPA 400 (nice site Michael). http://www.sigtronics.com/air/pdf/spa-400.pdf Torgeir. On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:51:55 -0700, Dee Young wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > Thanks Michael > > Do Not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Gibbard > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Gibbard" > > > > Here is a link for the intercom: I hope it helps' > > http://www.sigtronics.com/air/pdf/spo20.pdf > > > Michael Gibbered > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dee Young" > > To: > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > > > > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and > has not > > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both > pilot > > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system > alone. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dee Young > > Model II > > N345DY > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:12 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:18:59 -0700 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Will check this out, I have to hit the road early morning for the week but will take a look at it on the weekend. Thanks Torgeir Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Torgeir Mortensen To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen > Hi Dee, First we need to "talk" a little about this intercom. The SPA 400 is system designed for light aircraft, in general. This unit can accept four headseth in total, the two forward installed headset can be used against the radio as both positions have it's own key (but not the aft. two). Of course, in a Kitfox we are only using the two with the radio key line. When you use the key, is it the pilot's (L/H) or is it the copilot's key? This is important, because the pilots key line have priority over the copilot key... Now, if any of those key's is operated (I.E. by a temporary short), the intercom amplifier is going to "sidetone" mode. So the intercom in the SPA 400 is producing "synthetic" sidetone, for ease op corp. between the crew, but also to "indicate" transmit mode. Let me suggest, if your copilot key line is grounded by some reason, this block your intercom. Then if you press the pilots key, the copilots key is disabled (yes internally in the SPA 400), and transmission will be possible from the pilots position, -but the intercom system will be dead. The white/blue wire is the key line for the pilot, this wire is grounded when pressing pilots transmit key. The white/red wire is the same as the above function, but for the copilot. Both those two wires is normally routed to each mike jack, connected to the "tip" solder lip. Those two wires is also connected to each of the transmit switches. The reason for key line going to the mike jack, sure- to be able to use the "old" style hand mike's. Remember, those are still standards and an emergency handmike might be handy -in case. Well, here is a link to the setup of a Sigtronics SPA 400, thou without the transmitter keys. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?actionview&epoch1023463852 Hope this helps. Regards Torgeir. On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:44:48 -0700, Dee Young > wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has > not > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both > pilot > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system > alone. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY > > >> >> > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:43 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: How do I know if I have resistor caps on my 582? Whatever came with the --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" How do I know if I have resistor caps on my 582? Whatever came with the engine back in 1989 are still in place and working good. I don't know why but I have no feedback or electrical noise in my headset as everything works great. I do use the resistor plugs. Ron, the correct answer is you take a multimeter and measure them. Really in anycase you should be doing this periodically to check that the resistance is not rising in value with time thus causing your ignition system to degrade. However as you ask this question I imagine you are a bit lost here so I'll try helping another way. I have in front of me an NGK resistor cap from off my plane in the past. I have just measured it and confirmed that it is indeed a resistor type cap. It measures 5,000 ohms or what we call 5K in the trade. [I'm an electronics technician.] OK the cap is stamped with a number on it that I assume will be unique to a resistor type cap. I also assume if you have NGK caps and they are resistor type that you will have the same number. That number is LB05EZ. I hope that helps. Now it's good you have no interference, however if you have both resistor caps and resistor plugs [ B8ES is non resistor, BR8ES is resistor ] then I suggest you try changing either the caps or the plugs for non resistor type and if your still OK re interference then you need to make this change permanent. Bear in mind it is preferable to use resistor plugs rather than resistor caps re reliabilitty reasons. ie:- using resistor plugs you change the resistance when you change the plugs. As resistor caps age they are likely to eventually increase in resitance and cause ignition failure or degraded performance. This in turn is no good for our CDI units. If you have resistor caps and they are original since 1989 it's way past time you changed them. If you find you need both resistor caps and resistor plugs to cut down interference you should first check everything else is in good condition and try to find another way to stop the problem. If you can't then you can run both but it's not a good idea. However my plane with a Rotax 582 did at one point with no apparrent effects and so have some others. However it's preferable for the sake of the best spark and the life of your CDI units to run resistor plugs only. You mention that you have seen somewhere that it OK to run both resistor plugs and caps. Well that may be so but I'll bet there is more advice against that including some directives I have. In the end it is only advice although I'd be extremely surprised to see running both resistor caps and plugs permitted in certified stuff. I am just passing on the results of what my knowledge tells me. I can't teach you electronics in 5 minutes so please take my advice. However in the end it is your choice. I hope all this is now fairly clear, thankyou, Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A New Temperature Control System From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Guy, I've been elaborating with this stuff for a long time. I'm one of the "aviators" without the thermostat, from the very first day -using the "weapon tape".. I've been fiddling with a PIC processor and a stepper motor to control the flap. The input sensors is: 1) The water temperature 2) Slide position (power) 3) OAT (outside air temp.) (Been thinking about using RPM too, but skipped this.) In parallel with the stepper motor, I've in mind a manual handle. --------------------- The upper path, is just "easy" -but to be honest, I'll really like this thing simple -and failsafe. So my favorite, is a simple flapper valve, like Bruce's system. Well, I'll like to have just a little electronics -and this will be a aural warning for low or high temperature. In fact, I've made this aural warning system some time ago, one for the water temp and one for the EGT, but yet to be installed and tested. PS. The fun of flying "returned" after I got the Fox... Regards Torgeir. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:48:10 -0700, Guy Buchanan wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > Hi all! > Given the problems of shock cooling and seizure described on the > list for the 582, I thought that if I removed the existing thermostat, > then > cowled my radiator, then contrived some kind of system that opened the > cowl > flap based on the coolant temperature, I might eliminate the shock > cooling > problem. The water would always circulate throughout the system, and it > would be maintained at the proper temperature by the automatic action of > the cowl flap. Has anyone tried this system? Do you think it would work? > Does anyone have a line on a thermostatically controlled actuator that > could drive a cowl flap? > > Thanks, > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:17 PM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: radiator and cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Theromostically controlled actuator Guy, Actually if it were me I'd put a cowl flap type manually actuated behind the radiator, that way you would cut down on the mass of airflow going through the radiator, and help keep the temperatures in line. What is wrong with a manual radiator/cowl flap? They worked excellent on the light twins, Twin Beech, DC-3 and so on. If one is alert enough to fly, he should be able to occasionally look at the H2O temperature and insure the radiator/cowl flap was in the correct position. In fact my airplane, a '46 model B-85C Funk (1936 when # 1 built, Production started in '39) was the first certified airplane with a modified auto engine. It had an inverted Model B Ford engine highly modified with a radiator/cowl flap on the pilots side of the cowl. I haven't flown one, they are rare todayonly 2 or 3 flyable. The cowl was basically sealed and airflow over engine totally controlled by the radiator/cowl flap. Don't try and re-invent the wheel!! A manual lever works excellent, is light and not prone to failure. Safety is First in importance! Elbie the old CFI ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:20 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Dee, I have about the same problem in my Sonex with the SPA 400N. I have a PTT, and at least the passenger can here me when I push the PTT. I'll be investigating for a solution also. The 400N has a "push to intercom" feature which I must investigate. Cheers, bh ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs Sonex N321SX, Jab 3300, 97.3 hrs, Sig SPA 400N > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has not > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both pilot > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system alone. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:54 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Completion of N854JB - Series 6 912S --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hey Bill, I just spent the last 45 minutes reading thru your building site. Lots of good info starting with the bio. A "must read" all the way. I still didn't finish it all. Great work! Thanks for posting all that thorough stuff. Too bad UPS has the AirBus instead of the 76 going to DEN now, or I could visit. I'd like to ride in a Rotax powered 5,6,7 one day too. Would trade you for a ride in my NSI Sooooob. Maybe some day I'll fly by that way and visit you, Stan and the locals. Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Do not archive --- Bill Hammond wrote: > Here is some of the information that you were > looking for from my Series 6. It compares some of the > data in Ed Downs' book "Flying the Kitfox" along > with what I encountered. More information is > available on my Web site at > www.itsys3.com/kitfox. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:04 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:17:35 -0700 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Bruce, I was just reading the operating instructions for the squelch. It seems to work in reverse to what I am used to. I am going to start with that and see if I may be the problem and not the Sig. 400. Dee Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Harrington To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sigtronics 400 Intercom system --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" > Hi Dee, I have about the same problem in my Sonex with the SPA 400N. I have a PTT, and at least the passenger can here me when I push the PTT. I'll be investigating for a solution also. The 400N has a "push to intercom" feature which I must investigate. Cheers, bh ex-N194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs Sonex N321SX, Jab 3300, 97.3 hrs, Sig SPA 400N > My intercom systems will not work from pilot to passanger side and has not > since my installation. When the mic is keyed it can be heard in both pilot > and passanger ear phones but the voice will not activate the system alone. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dee Young > Model II > N345DY ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:53 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A New Temperature Control System --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Torgeir, (I spelled it right that time, but I still don't know how to pronounce it!) I'm a little confused. Are you going to drive the simple flapper valve with the motor based on something more than coolant temp? Are you going to try to anticipate thermal loads and cooling rates using the slide position and OAT, respectively? Do you think that's necessary? I was hoping to get away with just measuring coolant temperature. What are you using to measure coolant temperature? I've got coolant temperature for the EIS that I assume will come out of the water jacket, but I thought it would be better for the flapper to measure just downstream of the radiator to minimize phase lag. It also puts the measurement next to the drive servo which could make for a more compact assembly. What do you think? Guy At 01:40 AM 11/2/2004 +0100, Torgeir Mortensen wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen > >Hi Guy, > >I've been elaborating with this stuff for a long time. > >I'm one of the "aviators" without the thermostat, from the very first day >-using the "weapon tape".. > >I've been fiddling with a PIC processor and a stepper motor to control the >flap. > >The input sensors is: > >1) The water temperature > >2) Slide position (power) > >3) OAT (outside air temp.) > >(Been thinking about using RPM too, but skipped this.) > >In parallel with the stepper motor, I've in mind a manual handle. > >--------------------- > > >The upper path, is just "easy" -but to be honest, I'll really like this >thing simple -and failsafe. So my favorite, is a simple flapper valve, >like Bruce's system. Well, I'll like to have just a little electronics >-and this will be a aural warning for low or high temperature. In fact, >I've made this aural warning system some time ago, one for the water temp >and one for the EGT, but yet to be installed and tested. > >PS. The fun of flying "returned" after I got the Fox... > > >Regards > >Torgeir. > > >On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:48:10 -0700, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > > > Hi all! > > Given the problems of shock cooling and seizure described on the > > list for the 582, I thought that if I removed the existing thermostat, > > then > > cowled my radiator, then contrived some kind of system that opened the > > cowl > > flap based on the coolant temperature, I might eliminate the shock > > cooling > > problem. The water would always circulate throughout the system, and it > > would be maintained at the proper temperature by the automatic action of > > the cowl flap. Has anyone tried this system? Do you think it would work? > > Does anyone have a line on a thermostatically controlled actuator that > > could drive a cowl flap? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Guy Buchanan > > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > > > > > >-- >Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:36 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: radiator and cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Elbie, I guess I like to spend too much time looking out the window. I'd like my plane to operate like my Acura! Seriously, though, I fly a Bonanza with cowl flaps and those work fine. I guess I thought that the water cooled system was much more sensitive than air cooled systems. If I could realistically get away with a manual control I wouldn't mind it a bit. Maybe I'll try it. Guy ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:24 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: radiator and cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Torgier, Elbie and Guy, I like looking out the window too, so I dream of automated controls in flight a bit myself. In my case, the scoop outlet door also controlls the oil temp. A fail-safe control is a must for me. I thought of a worm drive for my scoop door so that it has plenty of power off a small motor on one end and I can put a knob or crank to turn on the other end for a fail-safe. But even that is complex. Perhaps a compromise would work for now for both Guy and me. I found temp gauges in Summit that have setable limits so that they flash the numbers when the upper limit is reached and scroll "LO" at the low limit. A manual controller with a flashing gauge may keep you from getting out of limits when distracted by moose turn stalls, etc. OK, maybe not then, but in regular flight. Better than an idiot light, the flashing digital gauge will get your attention to the specific problem so you can make a change manually when you might miss it otherwise. You get the failsafe of a manual control, but you can set the warning where you want it to catch your attention before you hit the high limit, say at your caution temp. A poor man's engine analyzer? They even have gauges that record high and low temps, if you want that. I am not usually a fan of digital gauges, but these extra warnings and the fact that my analog gauge was up to 30 degrees off, may change my mind. Just some more ideas. Kurt S. --- Guy Buchanan wrote: > Elbie, > I guess I like to spend too much time > looking out the window. I'd like my plane to operate > like my Acura! Seriously, though, I fly a Bonanza > with cowl flaps and those work fine. I guess I > thought that the water cooled system was much more > sensitive than air cooled systems. If I could > realistically get away with a manual control I > wouldn't mind it a bit. > Maybe I'll try it. > > Guy __________________________________ www.yahoo.com