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1. 12:05 AM - [Off-topic] What's in a name (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:03 AM - SV: SV: Re: radiator and cooling (Michel Verheughe)
3. 01:24 AM - Re: Re: radiator and cooling (R & L Ainsworth)
4. 03:08 AM - Re: SV: SV: Re: radiator and cooling (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 03:10 AM - Re: Re: radiator and cooling (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 04:16 AM - Re: Smart Tool level (Wwillyard@aol.com)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: Skystar (Lowell Fitt)
8. 06:47 AM - SV: SV: SV: Re: radiator and cooling (Michel Verheughe)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: radiator and cooling (Guy Buchanan)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: [Off-topic] What's in a name (Guy Buchanan)
11. 07:54 AM - wings (customtrans@qwest.net)
12. 09:12 AM - "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] (Matt Dralle)
13. 01:02 PM - Re: Smart Tool level (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: radiator and cooling (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
15. 02:31 PM - Re: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 04:42 PM - Does anyone know what happened to the Skystar website? (Rex & Jan Shaw)
17. 08:40 PM - Re: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] What's in a name |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> >No problem, my name is from the old "Viking Saga", and mean something
> >like: "Thunderspear".. :)
>
> Yes, but you didn't say how to pronounce it.
You pronounce it like Thor-gear but before that, you have to drink a lot of aquavit,
eat hallucinogen mushrooms, wear a viking helmet (do you want to borrow
mine?) and stand barefoot in the snow for one hour. ... then you'll get the
right pronounciation! :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Boxed it in with a 2" scat tube outlet that connects to the heat muff on the
> muffler. Something like this might work for your oil cooler.
Thanks Don. Although the front placing of the cooler is what is recommended, I
have seen installations as you mention, using SCAT hoses. I don't know yet what
I'll do but I have plenty of time to think, talk and experiment. That's the
fun of experimental/microlight, isn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "R & L Ainsworth" <rainsworth@xtra.co.nz>
Hello list.Regarding fitting a manuel valve to the radiator system of a 582.
I fitted a standard 25mm [1 inch ] plumbing ballvalve that was modified and
have operated it for 130 hours without any problems.
The mod involved disassembling the valve and machining a small amount off
the teflon seal as otherwise the valve is too tight to turn.
The ball of the ballvalve is drilled thru the centre 5mm[3/16] to allow some
water flow if the valve jams.
This is very unlikely if enough is machined of the seal.
The valve is operated by a length 3mm[1/8] silver steel [drill rod ???]
clamped into an aluminium adapter fitted to the cut down handle of the valve
Russell Ainsworth Model 4 582 ZK-KIV
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/4/04 1:04:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, michel@online.no
writes:
<< Thanks Don. Although the front placing of the cooler is what is
recommended, I have seen installations as you mention, using SCAT hoses. I don't
know
yet what I'll do >>
Michel,
I would guess they are recommending mounting it up front simply because
that's were the air comes in. I wasn't necessarily suggesting scat tubes to
get air to the cooler but, providing a dedicated duct from somewhere on the nose
of the airplane to the cooler. For instance, on the 582 there is a ton of
room below the gear box that is away from the cowl opening. Making the
dedicated air intake scoop allows you some flexibility on where to put the cooler.
Putting a door inside the duct would be easy. Again, I haven't seen the Jab
setup so none of this may fit.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/3/04 10:34:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com
writes:
<< I think the only way to achieve linearity is to have something like a
Mustang exit. For those of you who haven't seen it, it looks like a cowl
flap with side plates. When you open it 2" it is twice as large and has >>
Are you taking about the Mustang automobile? I would like to see how they
designed the opening side plates? Where could I see a picture of this creature?
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Tool level |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
Lynn, I used the Mitutiyo digital protractor from Aircraft Spruce or Grainger's
(Grainger catalog # 4LB15). I found it to be very fool proof and accurate and
so have a number of other builders who have borrowed it. It is easy to calibrate
and is only 6" long. Should you need additional length place it on a conventional
bubble level frame with no additional re-calibration necessary.
Bill W.
Classic IV 912UL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Try: http://www.skystar.com/
Worked for me also.
Lowell
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From: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
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> Hello:
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> Does anyone know what happened to the Skystar website?
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> Did they close down?
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> Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Making the dedicated air intake scoop allows you some flexibility on where
> to put the cooler. Putting a door inside the duct would be easy.
Good point, Don. I'll get first then engine installed, then I'll look at the different
alternatives. On good thing, though: I won't have to worry that much about
temperature in the beginning because it will be the Norwegian winter.
One interesting point I read about the Jabiru, is that one can expect higher temperature
the first hours of the plane. I guess the engine needs to run in and
the not-so-smooth running of the beginning generates more heat than after a while.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:09 AM 11/4/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Are you taking about the Mustang automobile? I would like to see how they
>designed the opening side plates? Where could I see a picture of this
>creature?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not! This list is so silly at times
it's hard to tell. Anyway, I was talking about the flap on a P-51 type
Mustang. I'll look for a decent picture.
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] What's in a name |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:05 AM 11/4/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> > >No problem, my name is from the old "Viking Saga", and mean something
> > >like: "Thunderspear".. :)
> >
> > Yes, but you didn't say how to pronounce it.
>
>You pronounce it like Thor-gear but before that, you have to drink a lot
>of aquavit, eat hallucinogen mushrooms, wear a viking helmet (do you want
>to borrow mine?) and stand barefoot in the snow for one hour. ... then
>you'll get the right pronounciation! :-)
ROFL. I'll try it!
>Michel
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Ok now I'm in for it,
I recieved a big box and have to start building the right wing. My question
now is:
Should I turn the plane into a speedster. Meaning take a rib off the tip.
I was thumbing through the manual and it says the speedster has no dihedral,
mine does. If I shorten the wing with dihedral, will it cause any problems?
Next, I plan on ripping into the left wing to check for any damage and
replace the tank with the big one, and move the locker over. Plus I want to
put a locker in the right wing. Final question: Should I just build the
wing like normal and leave the tips off. I have the kitfox 4 1200 with
rotax 912 ul.
There was somebody the other day wanting to know about removing fabric from
the wings, mine came right off without hurting the ribs.
steve a
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Tool level |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I have used the 48" Smarttool level, both in the rail and the module itself after
removing 4 socket head countersunk screws that your vendors may not be aware
of. It does require holding the 9v battery while in use.
I have at the hangar a friends digital level that is about 9" long and self-contained.
With any of them you need to go through check the calibration before using because
they are susceptible to drift. Either should be available for under $100.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley"
>
> Lynn,
> Two words: e-bay, oops I guess that's one word.
> Anyway you can find good bargins there on this kind of stuff but as always
> be careful who you buy from.
> Sears also has a nice "digital Protractor" ($200)that is about 6 inches
> long and goes to the tenth of a degree with amazing repeatability. Don't
> know how I lived without it. Had to get the first one replaced it was
> about .6 degree off all of the time. I will routinely set it on top of my
> 4' bubble level to keep everyone honest.
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> >
> > I'm getting near the point where I'll be needing to do some serious
> > leveling, and angle checking. I'm a bit confused by the finite degree
> > of accuracy required by the rigging instructions, namely the 11.4
> > degrees of angle between the "belly of the aircraft and the #15049
> > bellcrank"....this is in the Rigging of the Flaperons section of the
> > building manual for the IV of 1994. The manual suggests that "a Smart
> > Level is invaluable for this". My question is why does that angle have
> > to be so darn accurate if the fuselage has been leveled with a simple
> > bubble level? My thinking is that if this is such a critical angle,
> > then we'd better be using the Smart Level right from the get-go, hadn't
> > we? If a bubble level is all right for the leveling of the fuse,
> > shouldn't a bubble protractor set to 11 or 12 degrees be accurate
> > enough for the rigging of that bellcrank? What am I missing here?
> >
> > Second question: In checking out the Smart Tools, I see that they are
> > available in the whole level, either 24" or 48", with module, or just
> > as the module alone. I've been told that the module can be used alone,
> > or placed on a normal 48" level, for instance, but if I were to
> > purchase the 48" Smart Tool level, that the module cannot be removed,
> > as it is wired in, and doing so would void the warranty. Anybody up to
> > speed on these tools?
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> >
>
>
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I have used the 48" Smarttool level, both in the rail and the module itself after
removing 4 socket head countersunk screws that your vendors may not be aware
of. It does require holding the 9v battery while in use.
I have at the hangar a friends digital level that is about 9" long and self-contained.
With any of them you need to go through check the calibration beforeusing because
they are susceptible to drift. Either should be available for under $100.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <KITFOX4@NUMAIL.ORG>
Lynn,
Two words: e-bay, oops I guess that's one word.
Anyway you can find good bargins there on this kind of stuff but as always
be careful who you buy from.
Sears also has a nice "digital Protractor" ($200)that is about 6 inches
long and goes to the tenth of a degree with amazing repeatability. Don't
know how I lived without it. Had to get the first one replaced it was
about .6 degree off all of the time. I will routinely set it on top of my
4' bubble level to keep everyone honest.
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <LYNNMATT@JPS.NET>
I'm getting near the point where I'll be needing to do some serious
leveling, and angle checking. I'm a bit confused by the finite degree
of accuracy required by the rigging instructions, namely the 11.4
degrees of angle between the "belly of the aircraft and the #15049
bellcrank"....this is in the Rigging of the Flaperons section of the
building manual for the IV of 1994. The manual suggests that "a Smart
Level is invaluable for this". My question is why does that angle have
to be so darn accurate if the fuselage has been leveled with a simple
bubble level? My thinking is that if this is such a critical angle,
then we'd better be using the Smart Level right from the get-go, hadn't
we? If a bubble level is all right for the leveling of the fuse,
shouldn't a bubble protractor set to 11 or 12 degrees be accurate
enough for the rigging of that bellcrank? What am I missing here? <
BR>
Second question: In checking out the Smart Tools, I see that they are
available in the whole level, either 24" or 48", with module, or just
as the module alone. I've been told that the module can be used alone,
or placed on a normal 48" level, for instance, but if I were to
purchase the 48" Smart Tool level, that the module cannot be removed,
as it is wired in, and doing so would void the warranty. Anybody up to
speed on these tools?
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: radiator and cooling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/4/04 7:36:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com
writes:
<< I can't tell if you're being serious or not! This list is so silly at
times
it's hard to tell. Anyway, I was talking about the flap on a P-51 type
Mustang. I'll look for a decent picture.
>>
I hate to say this but, I was serious. As soon as I hit the send key it
dawned on me that we were talking P-51. For some reason, I had automobile stuck
in the brain. I would like to see how the P-51 did it and I have never seen a
picture that showed anything on the output door.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<< Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?", and this is certainly
a valid question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List >>
Matt,
Your time and dedication alone is worth any contribution you might
receive. I really can't believe anyone would have to ask.
Thanks a million,
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Does anyone know what happened to the Skystar website? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Does anyone know what happened to the Skystar website?
Did they close down?
No they are just having a lot of trouble. The site came straight up for me
too but they did have something posted the other day apologising that one
couldn't reply to postings. They were saying several weeks to a cure when
they get a new system. Unfortunately I think it's a great resource that's
useless in the meantime but maybe it will all be ok in the long run.
I generally check it out each day and some strange things have been
happening.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
At 02:31 PM 11/4/2004 Thursday, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
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><< Dear Listers,
>
> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?", and this is certainly
> a valid question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List >>
>
>Matt,
> Your time and dedication alone is worth any contribution you might
>receive. I really can't believe anyone would have to ask.
>
>Thanks a million,
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
Well thank you, Don. Your kind words are very much appreciated. I do put
a lot of work into the Lists trying to make them an enjoyable and useful
tool for all the subscribers.
Thanks again!
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