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1. 01:13 AM - 582 RPM's (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
2. 02:30 AM - List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (Matt Dralle)
3. 03:14 AM - Re: 582 RPM's (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 03:49 AM - Jose : Re pre mixed (shortnaked)
5. 04:00 AM - Re: 582 RPM's (shortnaked)
6. 05:33 AM - Re: 582 RPM's (Gary Algate)
7. 05:44 AM - Re: Turtle Deck from Blue Sky Aviation (W Duke)
8. 06:23 AM - Re: Turtle Deck from Blue Sky Aviation (Clem Nichols)
9. 06:37 AM - Re: Turtle Deck from Blue Sky Aviation (Jose M. Toro)
10. 07:08 AM - Re: grove gear and brake line (Kerry Skyring)
11. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: grove gear and brake line (Fox5flyer)
12. 05:28 PM - Coolant for 912 (Jimmie Blackwell)
13. 06:00 PM - Bahamas 2004 Trip (John King)
14. 06:13 PM - Re: Bahamas 2004 Trip (Don Pearsall)
15. 06:59 PM - Motor Mount torque specs? (Dwayne)
16. 08:26 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi there
From what I can gather, most of the 582 users cruise at around 6000 RPM.
What RPM settings do you use for climb, and what rate of climb do you
achieve at your setting?
Regards
Roger
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/15/04 1:15:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
r.thomas@za.pwc.com writes:
<< What RPM settings do you use for climb, and what rate of climb do you
achieve at your setting? >>
Climb is at full throttle and produces around 6200 RPM @ 800-1000 FPM. This
is controlled by prop pitch.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Jose : Re pre mixed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Either way - injection or not -- oil must be maintained in the strokes.
Point is Injection has a terrific record for dependability. I am not sure
why anyone would want to remove it to be honest.
Oil lines like fuel lines must be replaced as well as filters. I see some
recomomend tygon lines -- they harden.
Alot of this you will remind your self when you do your pre - flight
walkaround.
2 mins of prevention is easier than re-building your bird.
As far as a long decent lubication is helped buy feeding in throttle to keep
rpm 4000 rpm under load with occasional additional power applied evr 500 ft
of decent.
you will keep the oil lubircating and keep the engine warmer than decending
for 5 miles at idle alone.
4 strokes will cold shock as well, wether ita lycoming, franklin,
continental or a rotax 912 or 582 you cannot shock cool these especially
in winter weather. 40 F or less.
Shorty
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From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re pre mixed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Shorty:
>
> In addition to the 1% idiot related failures, there is a tiny plastic hose
in the oil pump system of the 582 that you must watch. Believe me, I have
seen it failing, and was very expensive to fix after the crash.
>
> If you remove the oil system, you are eliminating a point of failure,
unless you forget to do the pre-mix. In that case, it will be 100% idiot
related...and I have seen it happen too.
>
> Rex:
>
> If you do a long descent, you must open the throttle occasionally not only
to provide lubrication but also to avoid a thermal shock.
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
after going over a model IV 1050 - I was test flying a drooptip on
weekend.
weights L 230 R 233 tail 63 with 6 gals of fuel and 2 litres of oil
582 68 " GSC i re- pitched to 15 D and gettting static 6200 rpm
(on climb you can get 6800 rpm if you not hanging it on the prop)
EGT in climb 1000 t o 1100 F coolant 160 to 170 F
Pilot 220 lbs
temp about 40 F climb solo 1300 fpm
Passenger 160 added
Climb 1000 + fpm
crusie 6000 rpm 95 mph coolant 160
crusie 5000 rpm 74 mph.
take off solo wind 0 - 5 mph 90d to runway 150 to 160 feet
dual " " "
340 to 360 feet
TO over 50 foot obstacle solo 500 feet
both with zero flaps.
how do these number co relate to others ?
Hope this helps you all .
Shorty
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From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM's
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
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> In a message dated 11/15/04 1:15:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> r.thomas@za.pwc.com writes:
>
> << What RPM settings do you use for climb, and what rate of climb do you
> achieve at your setting? >>
>
> Climb is at full throttle and produces around 6200 RPM @ 800-1000 FPM.
This
> is controlled by prop pitch.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Roger,
I cruise at 5700 (90mph) and climb at 6500. "In flight adjustable IVO prop."
The difference in noise level when cruising at 5700 vs 6000 is about double.
Fuel consumption is also reduced
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From what I can gather, most of the 582 users cruise at around 6000 RPM.
What RPM settings do you use for climb, and what rate of climb do you
achieve at your setting?
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Jimmie,
I Have one also. Tinted. Installation seemed easier than I think the Skystar
assembly would have been. Mine does drum during steep climbs occasionally.
Bottom line- I like it.
Maxwell
S6 IO240
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Is there anyone that has installed the one piece Turtle Deck made by Blue Sky Aviation?
Did it work out ok?
Thanks
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Does Blue Sky Aviation have a web site? I can't seem to find it on Google.
Thanks
Clem Nichols
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck from Blue Sky Aviation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> Jimmie,
> I Have one also. Tinted. Installation seemed easier than I think the
> Skystar assembly would have been. Mine does drum during steep climbs
> occasionally. Bottom line- I like it.
>
> Maxwell
> S6 IO240
>
> Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>
> Is there anyone that has installed the one piece Turtle Deck made by Blue
> Sky Aviation? Did it work out ok?
>
> Thanks
> Jimmie
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
www.blueskyaviation.net
Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem
Nichols"
Does Blue Sky Aviation have a web site? I can't seem to find it on Google.
Thanks
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck from Blue Sky Aviation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
>
> Jimmie,
> I Have one also. Tinted. Installation seemed easier than I think the
> Skystar assembly would have been. Mine does drum during steep climbs
> occasionally. Bottom line- I like it.
>
> Maxwell
> S6 IO240
>
> Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>
> Is there anyone that has installed the one piece Turtle Deck made by Blue
> Sky Aviation? Did it work out ok?
>
> Thanks
> Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: grove gear and brake line |
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While everyone is writing about the Grove gear..
We are wondering how to secure the brake line (the nylon hose) into the
channel that runs down the aft side of the grove gear. I think the manual
recommends using tape but we have polished the
aluminium and want to stay with this rather than paint it and tape would
look out of place on polished aluminium. I tried some silicon in the channel
and then laying the line into it but was not happy with the grip. What have
others done?
Kerry
PS Yesterday we hung the prop and fitted the spinner and cowls and then
stood back and admired the lovely lines. The central European weather is
currently "flying feindlich" but "building freundlich."
><shilohcom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > Lot of answers and most seem reasonable. I had mine polished and
>powder
>coated clear. Looks like chrome. Bob U.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: grove gear and brake line |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I used 3M epoxy. Ran a thin bead down the groove, taped the line in with
masking tape til it set up then when tape removed it's difficult to tell
what's holding it in there. Been there for over 4 years now and still
holding fine.
Darrel
>
> While everyone is writing about the Grove gear..
>
> We are wondering how to secure the brake line (the nylon hose) into the
> channel that runs down the aft side of the grove gear. I think the manual
> recommends using tape but we have polished the
> aluminium and want to stay with this rather than paint it and tape would
> look out of place on polished aluminium. I tried some silicon in the
channel
> and then laying the line into it but was not happy with the grip. What
have
> others done?
>
> Kerry
> PS Yesterday we hung the prop and fitted the spinner and cowls and then
> stood back and admired the lovely lines. The central European weather is
> currently "flying feindlich" but "building freundlich."
>
> ><shilohcom@c-magic.com>
> > >
> > > Lot of answers and most seem reasonable. I had mine polished and
> >powder
> >coated clear. Looks like chrome. Bob U.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> http://messenger.msn.com/
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Has anyone found a source for the coolant now recommend by Rotax? My understanding
it is made by a company by the name of Evans and it is a waterless coolant.
Jimmie
N855 Model IV Speedster
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Tarlochan Heir <their@joimail.com>
| Subject: | Bahamas 2004 Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
To the List,
Tarlochan and I are now back home from our trip to the Bahamas. It sure
is a shock getting used to the colder weather in Virginia after
returning from the wonderful weather in the Bahamas. Don Pearsall has
been up to his usual outstanding performance in documenting our trip on
the SportFlight web site. All of the 167 pictures I took on the trip
are now available on the web site, as well as a listing of the route of
travel timing, my lodging costs, and food costs. Shortly I will have a
listing of all my fuel costs. Although it will take some time, I am
now writing up a trip epilog that will describe what we experienced on a
day by day basis. A lot of the pictures will not make too much sense
until you read the epilog. As an example, the bat cave pictures on
Eleuthera Island were taken in total darkness with the only light being
the flash from my digital camera. A single flash light was our only
light source to explore the cave. Hot, humid, damp, slippery and
absolutely no visible light throughout the cave. The epilog will go
into a more detail description.
Trip Duration = 11 Days
<>Total Mileage Traveled = 3,027 Statute (2,630 Nautical)
<> Over the Bahamas = 1,374 Statute (1,194 Nautical)
Total Flying Time (Hobbs) = 31.7 Hours
Over the Bahamas = 14.9 Hours
Total Airports Landed = 17
Different Airports Landed = 15
Fuel Consumed = 145.35 U.S. Gallons
Fuel Burn Rate (Rotax 912 ULS) = 4.5 Gal/Hr
Average Cost of Fuel = $2.91 per Gal
Total Fuel Cost = $423.18
Total Lodging Costs = $1,015.37 (Single room)
Total Food Cost = $262.00
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John King
Warrenton, VA
<>
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| Subject: | Bahamas 2004 Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Here is a direct link to John King's Bahamas Trip:
http://www.sportflight.com/bahamas/
Don
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Bahamas 2004 Trip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
To the List,
Tarlochan and I are now back home from our trip to the Bahamas. It sure
is a shock getting used to the colder weather in Virginia after
returning from the wonderful weather in the Bahamas. Don Pearsall has
been up to his usual outstanding performance in documenting our trip on
the SportFlight web site. All of the 167 pictures I took on the trip
are now available on the web site, as well as a listing of the route of
travel timing, my lodging costs, and food costs. Shortly I will have a
listing of all my fuel costs. Although it will take some time, I am
now writing up a trip epilog that will describe what we experienced on a
day by day basis. A lot of the pictures will not make too much sense
until you read the epilog. As an example, the bat cave pictures on
Eleuthera Island were taken in total darkness with the only light being
the flash from my digital camera. A single flash light was our only
light source to explore the cave. Hot, humid, damp, slippery and
absolutely no visible light throughout the cave. The epilog will go
into a more detail description.
Trip Duration = 11 Days
<>Total Mileage Traveled = 3,027 Statute (2,630 Nautical)
<> Over the Bahamas = 1,374 Statute (1,194 Nautical)
Total Flying Time (Hobbs) = 31.7 Hours
Over the Bahamas = 14.9 Hours
Total Airports Landed = 17
Different Airports Landed = 15
Fuel Consumed = 145.35 U.S. Gallons
Fuel Burn Rate (Rotax 912 ULS) = 4.5 Gal/Hr
Average Cost of Fuel = $2.91 per Gal
Total Fuel Cost = $423.18
Total Lodging Costs = $1,015.37 (Single room)
Total Food Cost = $262.00
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dwayne" <adamkmcc@mountain.net>
I am needing to know the torque specifications for the motor mount bolts for the
582LC on the Kitfox. I am also looking for a source for tailwheel springs, ie;
from a hardware store so that I don't have to order them.
Thanks,
Dwayne
www.flywv.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I did exactly that 2 years ago...
I can email you photos if you like...
582 Blue head E box
Dave
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