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1. 02:31 AM - Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (BROSCHART)
2. 03:34 AM - SV: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (Michel Verheughe)
3. 03:57 AM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Jose M. Toro)
4. 04:00 AM - REPLY::: Coolant for 912 (Barry Huston)
5. 04:43 AM - Changing 582's (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
6. 04:44 AM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (David Savener)
7. 05:38 AM - Re: Changing 582's (Gary Algate)
8. 06:10 AM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Jose M. Toro)
9. 06:15 AM - Re: Changing 582's (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
10. 06:32 AM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Clem Nichols)
11. 06:46 AM - Re: REPLY::: Coolant for 912 (Rick)
12. 06:49 AM - Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (Lowell Fitt)
13. 07:00 AM - Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (Ron)
14. 07:15 AM - Coolant for 912 (Fox5flyer)
15. 08:37 AM - Re: Coolant for 912 (Joel Mapes)
16. 08:54 AM - Thank you John and DonRe: Bahamas 2004 Trip (Harris, Robert)
17. 09:19 AM - Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (Matt Dralle)
18. 09:33 AM - Re: Insurance Company (kurt schrader)
19. 10:01 AM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
20. 10:04 AM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
21. 02:44 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
22. 03:15 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Ron)
23. 04:25 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (David Savener)
24. 04:40 PM - Re: Changing 582's (Marc Arseneault)
25. 04:53 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (David Savener)
26. 05:28 PM - Re: Changing 582's (Pete Sigrist)
27. 05:33 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (Torgeir Mortensen)
28. 05:48 PM - Re: Coolant for 912 (Rick)
29. 09:36 PM - EA-81 Cylinder pressure (Jeff Smathers)
30. 11:04 PM - Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected eng... (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
looks like the beginning of the end of the kitfox list as we have known
it, now it's going to become a commercial operation
Have a good day - Charlie
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises (www.kitlog.com) has generously
> contributed free registered copies of his great Windows kit logging
> software called Kitlog Pro to support this year's List Fund
> Raiser! Beginning on November 13, anyone making a List Contribution of $50
> or more will qualify to receive the Windows web site download distribution
> of Kitlog Pro along with an official registration number via email on
> December 5th. The offer will continue through the end of the Fund Raiser.
>
> I want to thank Andy Gold (www.buildersbooks.com) and Paul Besing for their
> generous contributions in support of the Matronics Email Lists this
> year! Won't you take a minute and support these Lists as well? It is
> exclusively your contributions that enable the continue operation and
> upgrade of these Lists. The SSL Secure web site for making your
> Contribution can be found here:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> do not archive
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: BROSCHART [cfbflyer@localnet.com]
> looks like the beginning of the end of the kitfox list as we have known
> it, now it's going to become a commercial operation
Yes and a "Windows kit logging software" is of little use when one works on a Macintosh,
as I do.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Dave:
Did you modify the engine mount or cowling for the E drive?
Jose
Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I did exactly that 2 years ago...
I can email you photos if you like...
582 Blue head E box
Dave
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry Huston" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Jimmie
Lockwood Aviation Supply
800 527-6829
Pre Flush $ 16.50 / gal
Evans NPG + $ 22.50 / gal
OR::::: evanscooling.com $ 25.00 / gal
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coolant for 912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Has anyone found a source for the coolant now recommend by Rotax? My
> understanding it is made by a company by the name of Evans and it is a
> waterless coolant.
>
> Jimmie
> N855 Model IV Speedster
>
>
>
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12:43:07,
Serialize complete at 16/11/2004 12:43:07
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi there
Has anyone done a change from the older, grey head 582 to a blue head 582?
If so, how much plumbing needed to be changed? I think the blue top has a
slightly different water routing? Any other tips/traps you may have please
share them.
Regards
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:43:21 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I am also pulling a 532 out of my Model II and installing a 582. Am looking forward
to oil injection and dual ignition. I had to rewire the whole airplane.
Not that difficult since there isn't that much electrical.
I am adding an electric Facet fuel pump, in series, and a single strobe light.
I already have an hour meter for total times and will use a tiny tach for rpms.
(The tach for the 532 won't work with the 582, or so says the California Power
systems catalog). The Tiny Tach shows rpm when the engine is running and
works as an hour meter after shutdown. It is resettable at the push of a button,
so I will use that for a trip timer.
I'm going from a B gearbox to a C gearbox with a clutch. My son has one on his
Seawing and it is great!
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
I did exactly that 2 years ago...
I can email you photos if you like...
582 Blue head E box
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Roger,
I have the Blue Head which as you point out has slightly different coolant
line routing but I actually prefer the old grey head set up as it is far
less complicated.
I have changed my Blue head system to more closely follow the grey head.
Ie Mine came with the inlet into the thermostat pointing straight up
and the pre-formed hose from the pump to the head running up the rear of the
engine.
This made the installation messy and complicated.
I ended up buying a straight thermostat housing and replaced the 90 deg
inlet and also reversed the top inlet fitting and re-routed the pre-formed
hose around the front of the engine.
I can send photos if you like.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
Hi there
Has anyone done a change from the older, grey head 582 to a blue head 582?
If so, how much plumbing needed to be changed? I think the blue top has a
slightly different water routing? Any other tips/traps you may have please
share them.
Regards
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Dave:
Do not use the faucet pump in serie with the mechanical pump!!! The fuel pressure
will add, and you could have a gas overflow, which could drop to the muffler.
The right way is to do it in parallel. To do this, I got from Aircraft Spruce
two manifolds, one for input, and another for output. The input manifold
has one input from the tank, and to outputs to the two pumps. The output manifold
has two inputs from the mechanical pump, one input from the electrical
pump, two output to the carburators, and one output to a gas pressure gauge in
the cabin. There is a seventh outtlet that is closed. I can provide additional
information and pictures if required.
I have used this setting for about five years, and it works. Sounds complicate
but is not.
Jose
David Savener <david_savener@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
I am also pulling a 532 out of my Model II and installing a 582. Am looking forward
to oil injection and dual ignition. I had to rewire the whole airplane. Not
that difficult since there isn't that much electrical.
I am adding an electric Facet fuel pump, in series, and a single strobe light.
I already have an hour meter for total times and will use a tiny tach for rpms.
(The tach for the 532 won't work with the 582, or so says the California Power
systems catalog). The Tiny Tach shows rpm when the engine is running and works
as an hour meter after shutdown. It is resettable at the push of a button,
so I will use that for a trip timer.
I'm going from a B gearbox to a C gearbox with a clutch. My son has one on his
Seawing and it is great!
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I did exactly that 2 years ago...
I can email you photos if you like...
582 Blue head E box
Dave
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
---------------------------------
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14:14:59,
Serialize complete at 16/11/2004 14:14:59
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Thanks Gary - Photo's would be great. You can send direct to my mail
address.
I am currently at that point where I am having to make my mind up as to
whether I overhaul the grey top or replace with blue top. The replacement
exercise is about 2 times the cost of the overhaul and that is after
trading the old motor in as a deposit.
I am thinking that a blue top may add more value to the aircraft.
"Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
16/11/2004 03:40 PM
Please respond to
kitfox-list@matronics.com
To
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc
Subject
RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's
Size: 5 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Roger,
I have the Blue Head which as you point out has slightly different coolant
line routing but I actually prefer the old grey head set up as it is far
less complicated.
I have changed my Blue head system to more closely follow the grey head.
Ie Mine came with the inlet into the thermostat pointing straight
up
and the pre-formed hose from the pump to the head running up the rear of
the
engine.
This made the installation messy and complicated.
I ended up buying a straight thermostat housing and replaced the 90 deg
inlet and also reversed the top inlet fitting and re-routed the pre-formed
hose around the front of the engine.
I can send photos if you like.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
Hi there
Has anyone done a change from the older, grey head 582 to a blue head 582?
If so, how much plumbing needed to be changed? I think the blue top has a
slightly different water routing? Any other tips/traps you may have please
share them.
Regards
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Regarding the Facet fuel pump, should that not be added in parallel rather
than in series with the impulse pump? Check with others more knowledgeable
than I before proceeding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil
injected eng...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> I am also pulling a 532 out of my Model II and installing a 582. Am
> looking forward to oil injection and dual ignition. I had to rewire the
> whole airplane. Not that difficult since there isn't that much
> electrical.
>
> I am adding an electric Facet fuel pump, in series, and a single strobe
> light. I already have an hour meter for total times and will use a tiny
> tach for rpms. (The tach for the 532 won't work with the 582, or so says
> the California Power systems catalog). The Tiny Tach shows rpm when the
> engine is running and works as an hour meter after shutdown. It is
> resettable at the push of a button, so I will use that for a trip timer.
>
> I'm going from a B gearbox to a C gearbox with a clutch. My son has one
> on his Seawing and it is great!
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil
> injected eng...
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
>
> I did exactly that 2 years ago...
> I can email you photos if you like...
> 582 Blue head E box
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Get with the company. They have several retailers and you may save on
shipping depending on the distance. Good stuff. I am using it in my turbo
EA-81. I have recommended it for my on use. :)
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Huston
Subject: REPLY::: Kitfox-List: Coolant for 912
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry Huston" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Jimmie
Lockwood Aviation Supply
800 527-6829
Pre Flush $ 16.50 / gal
Evans NPG + $ 22.50 / gal
OR::::: evanscooling.com $ 25.00 / gal
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coolant for 912
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Has anyone found a source for the coolant now recommend by Rotax? My
> understanding it is made by a company by the name of Evans and it is a
> waterless coolant.
>
> Jimmie
> N855 Model IV Speedster
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I don't think so.
Matronics is a commercial operation with some very nifty products, one of
which I own and use at every flight. Please notice that Matronics has never
ever mentioned their products, or even that they have any products, on any
of the lists they sponsor.
I looked over the list of "gifts" they offered and none of them interested
me and I didn't feel slighted and was still prompted to make a contribution.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: BROSCHART [cfbflyer@localnet.com]
> > looks like the beginning of the end of the kitfox list as we have known
> > it, now it's going to become a commercial operation
>
> Yes and a "Windows kit logging software" is of little use when one works
on a Macintosh, as I do.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Very well said, Lowell
Ron
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I don't think so.
>
> Matronics is a commercial operation with some very nifty products, one of
> which I own and use at every flight. Please notice that Matronics has
never
> ever mentioned their products, or even that they have any products, on any
> of the lists they sponsor.
>
> I looked over the list of "gifts" they offered and none of them interested
> me and I didn't feel slighted and was still prompted to make a
contribution.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition!
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > > From: BROSCHART [cfbflyer@localnet.com]
> > > looks like the beginning of the end of the kitfox list as we have
known
> > > it, now it's going to become a commercial operation
> >
> > Yes and a "Windows kit logging software" is of little use when one works
> on a Macintosh, as I do.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
What is the advantage of this stuff? What does it do that a quality
conventional antifreeze doesn't do. Other than price, any downside?
Darrel
>
> Get with the company. They have several retailers and you may save on
> shipping depending on the distance. Good stuff. I am using it in my turbo
> EA-81. I have recommended it for my on use. :)
>
> Rick
>
> Jimmie
>
> Lockwood Aviation Supply
>
> 800 527-6829
>
> Pre Flush $ 16.50 / gal
>
> Evans NPG + $ 22.50 / gal
>
> OR::::: evanscooling.com $ 25.00 / gal
>
> Barry
> >
> > Has anyone found a source for the coolant now recommend by Rotax? My
> > understanding it is made by a company by the name of Evans and it is a
> > waterless coolant.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > N855 Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant for 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
www.evanscooling.com links to the Evans website for their NPG+ coolant.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Bahamas 2004 Trip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
John thanks for sharing your experiences with us. You inspire me to do
Also thank you Don for taking the time to document John King's adventures on
sportflight.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bahamas 2004 Trip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Here is a direct link to John King's Bahamas Trip:
http://www.sportflight.com/bahamas/
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John King
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bahamas 2004 Trip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
To the List,
Tarlochan and I are now back home from our trip to the Bahamas. It sure
is a shock getting used to the colder weather in Virginia after
returning from the wonderful weather in the Bahamas. Don Pearsall has
been up to his usual outstanding performance in documenting our trip on
the SportFlight web site. All of the 167 pictures I took on the trip
are now available on the web site, as well as a listing of the route of
travel timing, my lodging costs, and food costs. Shortly I will have a
listing of all my fuel costs. Although it will take some time, I am
now writing up a trip epilog that will describe what we experienced on a
day by day basis. A lot of the pictures will not make too much sense
until you read the epilog. As an example, the bat cave pictures on
Eleuthera Island were taken in total darkness with the only light being
the flash from my digital camera. A single flash light was our only
light source to explore the cave. Hot, humid, damp, slippery and
absolutely no visible light throughout the cave. The epilog will go
into a more detail description.
Trip Duration = 11 Days
<>Total Mileage Traveled = 3,027 Statute (2,630 Nautical)
<> Over the Bahamas = 1,374 Statute (1,194 Nautical)
Total Flying Time (Hobbs) = 31.7 Hours
Over the Bahamas = 14.9 Hours
Total Airports Landed = 17
Different Airports Landed = 15
Fuel Consumed = 145.35 U.S. Gallons
Fuel Burn Rate (Rotax 912 ULS) = 4.5 Gal/Hr
Average Cost of Fuel = $2.91 per Gal
Total Fuel Cost = $423.18
Total Lodging Costs = $1,015.37 (Single room)
Total Food Cost = $262.00
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
<>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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The List Fund Raiser is the sole means by which the Lists are funded. Its
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Howard,
Do you think your Soob is too quiet to scare critters
and flappers away?
How's the testing coming? Got the oil blowby
contained? Have you checked your carb temps in flight
yet? I only did one check on mine so far and the carb
temps are much lower with the side outlets open. I
still need to confirm that one test though.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> >
> > Well, at least you're moving up on tonnage.
> Don't forget to insure for
> > replacement value. Sure glad you made out last
> time.
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
> Yeah, three deer on the side of the grass strip...I
> did 2 low fly-by's to
> see if I could spook them a little farther
> away....they were abot 50' off to
> the right...So of course when I land, one of them
> starts running across the
> runway...I went to the right as far as I could and
> then saw her on my
> left....crossed in front of me with 100' feet to
> spare!
>
>
> Howard Firm
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
For me , it took almost 40 hours.....wiring was different..plumbing
different and I went from original Box to E Box, I feel a much better box....
oil
injection tank was a real pain...
Bottom line, GLAD I switched and I now have almost 200 hours on the New 582
Blue Head
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
Good point...... yes I had to put a small notch on the bottom of my cowl....
I hated doing it, but once done, you really dont notice ....
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<<
Do not use the faucet pump in serie with the mechanical pump!!! The fuel
pressure will add, and you could have a gas overflow, which could drop to the
muffler. The right way is to do it in parallel. To do this, I got from
Aircraft Spruce two manifolds >>
Agree with not putting the pump in series but, I always had difficulty in
understanding the redundancy safety factor of an addition electric pump for the
582. About the only thing that can go wrong with the originally installed
pulse pump would be the rupture of the diaphragm. If the diaphragm ruptures fuel
will flow into the engine case through the pulse line. If you switch on the
back up electric, fuel will only flow faster to the crankcase. That fuel
entering the crankcase will kill the engine anyway. If you add a backup pump,
it
needs to have the capability of complete isolation of the pulse pump. Not sure
how to do this.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
I have a fuel filter between the fuel pump and the carbs. I also installed
the Facet pump back in 1990 when I was building my Fox. One time I was
taking off trees with a passenger on board when all of a sudden I lost fuel
pressure and RPM. This was confirmed by one glance at the fuel pressure
gauge which read zero. I immediately turned on the Facet pump and had an
instant increase of RPM back to full power. Without the pump, I may not be
here now.
After I got back to my home base, five miles away, I checked the filters and
found them both restricted. Turned out that fibers from the glass in the
tanks broke free and plugged things up. The Facet pump forced fuel past the
restrictions to save the day. I will never fly without a back-up pump.
Ron N55KF Mod 2/582
> <<
> Do not use the faucet pump in serie with the mechanical pump!!! The fuel
> pressure will add, and you could have a gas overflow, which could drop to
the
> muffler. The right way is to do it in parallel. To do this, I got from
> Aircraft Spruce two manifolds >>
>
> Agree with not putting the pump in series but, I always had difficulty in
> understanding the redundancy safety factor of an addition electric pump
for the
> 582. About the only thing that can go wrong with the originally installed
> pulse pump would be the rupture of the diaphragm. If the diaphragm
ruptures fuel
> will flow into the engine case through the pulse line. If you switch on
the
> back up electric, fuel will only flow faster to the crankcase. That fuel
> entering the crankcase will kill the engine anyway. If you add a backup
pump, it
> needs to have the capability of complete isolation of the pulse pump. Not
sure
> how to do this.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:21:27 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I read what Mike Stratman from California Power systems had to say. He thinks
either way (series or parallel) is OK providing that fuel will flow with either
pump working.
Mine was much easier to install in series. I went through the gaskolator, the
electric facet pump, a Purolator pressure regulator, a filter, then the Mikuny
pump, then to the carburetors.
I welcome any comments, because I overthink everything.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Clem Nichols<mailto:cnichols@scrtc.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com<mailto:cnichols@scrtc.com>>
Regarding the Facet fuel pump, should that not be added in parallel rather
than in series with the impulse pump? Check with others more knowledgeable
than I before proceeding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil
injected eng...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>
> I am also pulling a 532 out of my Model II and installing a 582. Am
> looking forward to oil injection and dual ignition. I had to rewire the
> whole airplane. Not that difficult since there isn't that much
> electrical.
>
> I am adding an electric Facet fuel pump, in series, and a single strobe
> light. I already have an hour meter for total times and will use a tiny
> tach for rpms. (The tach for the 532 won't work with the 582, or so says
> the California Power systems catalog). The Tiny Tach shows rpm when the
> engine is running and works as an hour meter after shutdown. It is
> resettable at the push of a button, so I will use that for a trip timer.
>
> I'm going from a B gearbox to a C gearbox with a clutch. My son has one
> on his Seawing and it is great!
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil
> injected eng...
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>>
>
> I did exactly that 2 years ago...
> I can email you photos if you like...
> 582 Blue head E box
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Roger,
I would overhaul thesilver headand I am sure Bob Robertson will second this. I
personally don't think you will add value your plane as when you decide to sell
people are most interested in the total hours and they want the cheapest possibleprice
from my experiences. Save your $ the silver head is as good as the
blue head!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:08:57
+0200 14:14:59, Serialize complete at 16/11/2004 14:14:59 -- Kitfox-List
message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com Thanks Gary - Photo's would be great.
You can send direct to my mail address. I am currently at that point where I
am having to make my mind up as to whether I overhaul the grey top or replace
with blue top. The replacement exercise is a
bout 2 times the cost of the overhaul and that is after trading the old motor
in as a deposit. I am thinking that a blue top may add more value to the aircraft.
"Gary Algate" algate@attglobal.net Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
16/11/2004 03:40 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com
cc Subject RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's Size: 5 Kb
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" algate@attglobal.net Roger, I
have the Blue Head which as you point out has slightly different coolant line
routing but I actually prefer the old grey head set up as it is far less complicated.
I have changed my Blue head system to more closely follow the grey head.
Ie Mine came with the inlet into the thermostat pointing straight up and the
pre-formed hose from the pump to the head running up the rear of the engine.
This made the installation messy and complicated. I ended up buying a straight
thermostat housing and
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:51:42 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Wow, I would really like to see pictures of your system if it's not too much trouble.
I hadn't considered that the pressure of the two pumps running at the same time
would be added together.
The rethinking begins!!!!
DS
----- Original Message -----
From: Jose M. Toro<mailto:jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com<mailto:jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>>
Dave:
Do not use the faucet pump in serie with the mechanical pump!!! The fuel pressure
will add, and you could have a gas overflow, which could drop to the muffler.
The right way is to do it in parallel. To do this, I got from Aircraft
Spruce two manifolds, one for input, and another for output. The input manifold
has one input from the tank, and to outputs to the two pumps. The output
manifold has two inputs from the mechanical pump, one input from the electrical
pump, two output to the carburators, and one output to a gas pressure gauge
in the cabin. There is a seventh outtlet that is closed. I can provide additional
information and pictures if required.
I have used this setting for about five years, and it works. Sounds complicate
but is not.
Jose
David Savener <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
I am also pulling a 532 out of my Model II and installing a 582. Am looking forward
to oil injection and dual ignition. I had to rewire the whole airplane.
Not that difficult since there isn't that much electrical.
I am adding an electric Facet fuel pump, in series, and a single strobe light.
I already have an hour meter for total times and will use a tiny tach for rpms.
(The tach for the 532 won't work with the 582, or so says the California Power
systems catalog). The Tiny Tach shows rpm when the engine is running and
works as an hour meter after shutdown. It is resettable at the push of a button,
so I will use that for a trip timer.
I'm going from a B gearbox to a C gearbox with a clutch. My son has one on his
Seawing and it is great!
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com<mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com>
I did exactly that 2 years ago...
I can email you photos if you like...
582 Blue head E box
Dave
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Changing 582's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
There is an exchange program from Rotax for 447's and 503's and it may
include 582's . New 503's are $2500 so it is a good deal. Call CPS or
Lockwood for details. If you can get a good deal on a new blue head you
should give it some serious thought. Act soon because the program has a
deadline.
----- Original Message -----
From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> Thanks Gary - Photo's would be great. You can send direct to my mail
> address.
>
> I am currently at that point where I am having to make my mind up as to
> whether I overhaul the grey top or replace with blue top. The replacement
> exercise is about 2 times the cost of the overhaul and that is after
> trading the old motor in as a deposit.
>
> I am thinking that a blue top may add more value to the aircraft.
>
>
> "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 16/11/2004 03:40 PM
>
> Please respond to
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> To
> <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's
>
>
> Size: 5 Kb
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Roger,
>
> I have the Blue Head which as you point out has slightly different coolant
> line routing but I actually prefer the old grey head set up as it is far
> less complicated.
>
> I have changed my Blue head system to more closely follow the grey head.
>
> Ie Mine came with the inlet into the thermostat pointing straight
> up
> and the pre-formed hose from the pump to the head running up the rear of
> the
> engine.
>
> This made the installation messy and complicated.
>
> I ended up buying a straight thermostat housing and replaced the 90 deg
> inlet and also reversed the top inlet fitting and re-routed the pre-formed
> hose around the front of the engine.
>
> I can send photos if you like.
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
> Hi there
>
> Has anyone done a change from the older, grey head 582 to a blue head 582?
>
> If so, how much plumbing needed to be changed? I think the blue top has a
> slightly different water routing? Any other tips/traps you may have please
>
> share them.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi here,
(just back again, -to often on the run. )
This one, must have an answer..
The extra pump would not increase the leakage, but would not help much
either...!
Your engine will be much to rich due to a leaky digraph, -in addition to a
working fuel system .. So here, a backup would not help much.
Remember that, the extra pump will feed your carb OK., but the extra
"injection" through the crank-house is way to much for your engine,
-overflowed, and way to rich - your engine "MUST" simply stop.
Well-, we are much back to the basic, the "gravity" system! This might
be the only one, simple enough to work in any case, well, -except for
those aerobatics ...
You'll Know , the system only delivering fuel - based on the gravity -
is, always the number one, at last, for me. :)
No, no, a back up pump would not work if the membrane fails, this because
it will be leaking directly into the crank.. Unless your backup close the
"pulse" line-, but so far, I've seen no system able to do that..
So-, Don, the gravity thing is ( :) ) (kind of final solution) something
to work with.. :) .
Cheers
Torgeir.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:43:10 EST, <AlbertaIV@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> <<
> Do not use the faucet pump in serie with the mechanical pump!!! The
> fuel
> pressure will add, and you could have a gas overflow, which could drop
> to the
> muffler. The right way is to do it in parallel. To do this, I got from
> Aircraft Spruce two manifolds >>
>
> Agree with not putting the pump in series but, I always had difficulty in
> understanding the redundancy safety factor of an addition electric pump
> for the
> 582. About the only thing that can go wrong with the originally
> installed
> pulse pump would be the rupture of the diaphragm. If the diaphragm
> ruptures fuel
> will flow into the engine case through the pulse line. If you switch on
> the
> back up electric, fuel will only flow faster to the crankcase. That fuel
> entering the crankcase will kill the engine anyway. If you add a backup
> pump, it
> needs to have the capability of complete isolation of the pulse pump.
> Not sure
> how to do this.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Best to go to their web page and read the details. For me it was the high
boiling point, elimination of hot spots and lack of corrosive water.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coolant for 912
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
What is the advantage of this stuff? What does it do that a quality
conventional antifreeze doesn't do. Other than price, any downside?
Darrel
>
> Get with the company. They have several retailers and you may save on
> shipping depending on the distance. Good stuff. I am using it in my turbo
> EA-81. I have recommended it for my on use. :)
>
> Rick
>
> Jimmie
>
> Lockwood Aviation Supply
>
> 800 527-6829
>
> Pre Flush $ 16.50 / gal
>
> Evans NPG + $ 22.50 / gal
>
> OR::::: evanscooling.com $ 25.00 / gal
>
> Barry
> >
> > Has anyone found a source for the coolant now recommend by Rotax? My
> > understanding it is made by a company by the name of Evans and it is a
> > waterless coolant.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > N855 Model IV Speedster
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| Subject: | EA-81 Cylinder pressure |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi all,
I have a standard NSI EA-81 engine and have about 275 hrs on the engine.
The airplane is in for the winter, mostly for financial reasons but, it gives
me
a good chance to do a thorough check up on it.
I was checking cylinder pressure and measured a significant difference in
my peak measured pressures: Cold cranking 12 revolutions
Left Front Left Rear Right Front Right Rear
142 145 127 132
My right side EGT always runs about 75-100 degrees hotter and I always
lean about 1050 - 1100 on the RT side.
My plugs look like they are burning the 100LL OK except for some higher
erosion on the RT side plugs. I will be using the $$ Indium $$ plugs next year.
1. Should I run automotive fuel instead of 100LL?
2. What is the maximum pressure differences that should be between cylinders?
Thanks for the answers I know will be returned !
Jeff Smathers Molalla, OR.
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| Subject: | Re: I am pulling the 532 and switching to a 582 oil injected |
eng...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Dave,
I put a Spectre reguator in my fuel system, but never
got to run the engine with it. While testing the fuel
system with 1 or 2 pumps running, the regulator failed
closed. When I disassembled it, I found that there
was no way to fail-safe protect it. My failed
regulator can and did shut off all fuel flow.
You might check yours for the same problem. If yours
is fail-safe and will bypasss fuel after failure, I
would like to know the model so that I can try it on
my plane.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI
--- David Savener <david_savener@msn.com> wrote:
> I read what Mike Stratman from California Power
> systems had to say. He thinks either way (series or
> parallel) is OK providing that fuel will flow with
> either pump working.
>
> Mine was much easier to install in series. I went
> through the gaskolator, the electric facet pump, a
> Purolator pressure regulator, a filter, then the
> Mikuny pump, then to the carburetors.
>
> I welcome any comments, because I overthink
> everything.
>
> Dave S
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