Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:48 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors (Steve Zakreski)
2. 02:40 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (AV8OR27RL@cs.com)
3. 05:20 AM - Lexan (Dee Young)
4. 05:33 AM - Re: LP Aero Doors (David Savener)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Initial BING 54 Idle adjustment setting & thingamajiggys (David Savener)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (David Savener)
7. 06:03 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Harris, Robert)
8. 06:04 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (David Savener)
9. 06:07 AM - Re: Lexan (Gary Algate)
10. 06:38 AM - SV: Tail Wheel Attachment (Michel Verheughe)
11. 06:58 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Harris, Robert)
12. 07:02 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Gary Algate)
13. 07:10 AM - Re: Changing 582's (Gary Algate)
14. 07:14 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (shortnaked)
15. 07:45 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Jimmie Blackwell)
16. 07:47 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (David Savener)
17. 07:55 AM - Kitfox handling (Dee Young)
18. 07:59 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (customtrans@qwest.net)
19. 08:11 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (shortnaked)
20. 08:22 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Jose M. Toro)
21. 08:27 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Harris, Robert)
22. 08:32 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Jose M. Toro)
23. 08:51 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Gary Algate)
24. 09:06 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (David Savener)
25. 09:16 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (shortnaked)
26. 09:16 AM - Re: Kitfox handling (David Savener)
27. 09:54 AM - Re: Kitfox handling (Aerobatics@aol.com)
28. 10:19 AM - Re: Kitfox handling (shortnaked)
29. 10:20 AM - Re: Kitfox handling (Torgeir Mortensen)
30. 10:27 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (customtrans@qwest.net)
31. 10:28 AM - Re: Lexan (FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067])
32. 10:50 AM - Re: Tail Wheel Attachment (Torgeir Mortensen)
33. 11:03 AM - Re: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI (Peter Graichen)
34. 12:24 PM - Suburu Questions (Harris, Robert)
35. 12:54 PM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (dave)
36. 02:40 PM - Re:plane value? (roger augenstein)
37. 02:53 PM - Re: Suburu Questions (Peter Graichen)
38. 03:16 PM - Re: Lexan (Torgeir Mortensen)
39. 03:32 PM - If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full time. (Rex & Jan Shaw)
40. 05:15 PM - Re: Lexan (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
41. 06:02 PM - Re: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI (Rick)
42. 06:35 PM - Re: Kitfox handling (Dee Young)
43. 07:05 PM - Re: Lexan (Cudnohufsky's)
44. 07:28 PM - cargo pod (Pete Sigrist)
45. 08:49 PM - GSC Propeller (Chris Erickson)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I'm not sure if anyone responded to your question. I just used the small
Dremel found in every hardware store for less than $100.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Are you guys talking about those small dremmel tools that have the small
disk or the big ones run by air? Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: David Savener <david_savener@msn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/1/2004 7:02:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> I also used a Dremmel. Then I used a sanding drum to even up the edges.
Then I used a Dremmel with a buffing/polishing wheel with first rubbing
compound then polishing compound and the edges looked just like the surface.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kurt schrader<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>>
>
> I also used a dremmel with a cutoff wheel. Did 5
> doors, 1 windscreen, and 3 windows without a problem.
> You have to clean up the edges after, but the cutting
> works fine.
>
> I would think a band saw would be more risky since a
> tooth can catch and crack the plastic.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- Jeffrey Puls
<pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>
> > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The
> > information packet says to use a band saw to trim
> > the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do
> > not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with
> > something else? The last time I trimmed a window I
> > was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey Puls
> > pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a grease
pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my seat.
Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out of
it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need it any
more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:19:59 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
We have had some discussions about cutting and drilling wind screens and windows
etc. The Dremmel seems to be the tool of choice. Just to put a different slant
on things. I have cut several windscreens and side windows using a good quality
tin snip. Used a rechargeable w/a sharp metal bit and a sheet of plywood
for backing. Dressed up the edges with a rubber block sander. This worked out
just fine with no problems and the finished product looks real nice too. It is
very simple to do if you keep the old screen for a pattern.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: LP Aero Doors |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:32:14 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I dropped and ruined my electric Dremmel. I just bought a cordless Dremmel on
ebayfor $75.00. Rechargeable with 10.8 volts. Amazing power for a battery operated
tool and it lasts a very long time between charges. Impressive. I like
the variable speed. Get one with the quick change chuck. Worth the 10 bucks.
My new one came with one for the $75.00.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Zakreski<mailto:szakreski@shaw.ca>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:48 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca<mailto:szakreski@shaw.ca>>
I'm not sure if anyone responded to your question. I just used the small
Dremel found in every hardware store for less than $100.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com>>
Are you guys talking about those small dremmel tools that have the small
disk or the big ones run by air? Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: David Savener <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Date: 11/1/2004 7:02:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>
> I also used a Dremmel. Then I used a sanding drum to even up the edges.
Then I used a Dremmel with a buffing/polishing wheel with first rubbing
compound then polishing compound and the edges looked just like the surface.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kurt schrader<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Aero Doors
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>>>
>
> I also used a dremmel with a cutoff wheel. Did 5
> doors, 1 windscreen, and 3 windows without a problem.
> You have to clean up the edges after, but the cutting
> works fine.
>
> I would think a band saw would be more risky since a
> tooth can catch and crack the plastic.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- Jeffrey Puls
<pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com>>> wrote:
>
> > I'm replacing one of my LP Aero bubble doors. The
> > information packet says to use a band saw to trim
> > the window. The blade goes in one direction. I do
> > not have a band saw. Did anyone else trim with
> > something else? The last time I trimmed a window I
> > was not happy with the outcome. Jeff Classic IV
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey Puls
> > pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com<mailto:pulsair@mindspring.com>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Initial BING 54 Idle adjustment setting & thingamajiggys |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:39:18 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Thanks Don,
The number I need is the XXX in your message. I can't find it in the Bing manual.
I'll call CPS.
----- Original Message -----
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Initial BING 54 Idle adjustment setting & thingamajiggys
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
<< rebuilt them and have everything set for initial running EXCEPT that I
can't find anything that tells me how far out I should set the Large Idle
screw initially. That's the Big screw that sets the idle speed.>>
I don't have the info in front of me but basically, do it this way. Turn the
large screw out until it doesn't contact the slide. Turn them in until it
"JUST" contacts the slide. You can tell when this happens by raising and
dropping the slide. When the sound changes, you have contact. The sound will
go
from a "clink" to a "thump". It's easy to hear the difference. Once you have
that point, screw in the large screw XXX more turns. Sorry, I forget the
exact number but it's on the web is several places. Once the engine is broke
in,
you may need to readjust this setting. The RPM's will go "UP" after the
breakin and you might have a hard time landing.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Attachment |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:51:32 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
The hard to control characteristic of Jimmie's Speedster IMO is that the rudder
is too sensitive during the transition from rudder steering(rudder still effective)
to tailwheel steering.
My model II is comparatively quite docile compared to N855(Jimmie's Speedster).
I suspect(I am certainly no expert) that the geometry of the tailwheel, tailwheel
spring, rudder to tailwheel springs, etc. may not be set up just right.
John King tamed his tail wheel steering. His description of how his airplane acted
before he worked on it sounded a lot like N855 is now.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
Dave
Help me out here. You could probably describe this better than me.
Thanks
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net<mailto:trebla@directinter.net>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net<mailto:trebla@directinter.net>>
>
> Could you explain a little more on hard to control? Rudder control, pitch,
> there are a lot of things that get hard to control.
> Albert Smith
> 5TD
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Bob,
I'd like to try this. How long should I make the line and will it work okay
if I line it up with my control stick?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AV8OR27RL@cs.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a grease
pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
seat.
Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out of
it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need it
any
more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Attachment |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:03:04 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I respectfully disagree with the high speed taxiing and crow hops.
I believe in accelerating or decelerating through that brief period of time where
control is minimal in a taildragger or weight shift machine.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: shortnaked<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>
Jimmie,
Ok sounds like you are transitiioning from tri gear to taildragger.
Get lot of ground practice taxing, high speed taxing and a few crow hops.
Don' t let this discourage you from the taildragger.
get your tail off ground ealrier and hold it off the ground in some of these
taxi tests.
and also maybe keep your sights at end of runway to give you good sense of
your yaw and keep it straight.
this will also help your periphial vision as well for depth control on
touchdown.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
>
> Gary
>
> You are probably right. The Kitfox is so different from my nose gear
flying
> that I have almost had to learn to fly again. Fortunately I have had a
very
> good and patient instructor. The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox
> really stumped me for awhile. Even after several hours in the Kitfox I
must
> constantly restrain myself from crabbing left.
>
> Thanks again for your thoughts. With a little more good weather to
practice
> in with my CFI I may just solo this thing before Christmas. It sure is a
> lot of fun.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> > One thing I was taught is there are a couple of things that really
affect
> > control during the take off and landing stages.
> >
> > 1 when you first apply throttle for take off and that causes a
> torque
> > reaction from the prop which will require rudder to compensate (Rudder
> > direction depends on prop direction of rotation.
> >
> > 2 when tail lifts there is another swing which is due to the
effect
> of
> > the prop wash and torque and this is probably what you are seeing.
> >
> > I remember that I had a lot of trouble with these effects initially but
> once
> > you learn to lead with a little bit of compensating rudder rather than
try
> > to react after the fact.
> >
> > Gary A
> > Lite2/582
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
> >
> > In the last few weeks I have been having a lot of fun learning to fly my
> > Model IV Speedster. There are a couple of issues that perhaps this list
> can
> > help me resolve. First, when landing or taking off there is a period of
> > time at about 35-40 mph that my plane gets notably more difficult to
> control
> > [Gary Algate]
> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I know this makes me sound like a "Hacker" but in the last 12 months I have
cut about 4 windscreens from 1/8" Lexan and use a fine tooth jig saw.
Basically I just add two layers of 2" masking tape over the backing paper
where the outline of new windscreen will be (This prevents the jigsaw
marking the new lexan) and then I mark out using the old windscreen as a
template.
I cut out the basic shape using the jig saw and then the smaller intricate
shapes around the but rib etc I use a dremel with drum sander.
I practiced this on old lexan prior to cutting the windscreen and never had
any issues with cracking the new lexan.
Works like a charm
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>
We have had some discussions about cutting and drilling wind screens and
windows etc. The Dremmel seems to be the tool of choice. Just to put a
different slant on things. I have cut several windscreens and side windows
using a good quality tin snip. Used a rechargeable w/a sharp metal bit and a
sheet of plywood for backing. Dressed up the edges with a rubber block
sander. This worked out just fine with no problems and the finished product
looks real nice too. It is very simple to do if you keep the old screen for
a pattern.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
> The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a grease
> pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my seat.
... and so did I, after the advice of this list. What I did is to point my plane
toward a neighbouring farmhouse, align the tail and the center turtle deck,
get back in the plane and draw a vertical line about 4" where I saw the farmhouse
from the seat. That was my focal horizon.
It went well and soon I could remove the grease pencil line.
Then I started flying with my son and as I found myself in the right hand seat,
I tried a landing ... that went not so well!
Again, a new red line but this time from both the left and the right seat. It helps!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks,
I'll try it.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
> The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a
grease
> pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
seat.
... and so did I, after the advice of this list. What I did is to point my
plane toward a neighbouring farmhouse, align the tail and the center turtle
deck, get back in the plane and draw a vertical line about 4" where I saw
the farmhouse from the seat. That was my focal horizon.
It went well and soon I could remove the grease pencil line.
Then I started flying with my son and as I found myself in the right hand
seat, I tried a landing ... that went not so well!
Again, a new red line but this time from both the left and the right seat.
It helps!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Dave
Crow hops and high speed taxi's are just another tool in your armory. The
trick is to have the confidence and skills to use them appropriately and
safely. We use them all the time on skis as often you will land in the
middle of a large lake as the runway is marked, but then you could have a 1
mile taxi to your house. The best way to do this is a short hop or high
speed tail high taxi.
We use the marked runway as it helps prevent "incidents" that happen when
people start taking off or landing haphazardly all over the lake.
The only problem with carrying out hops or high speed taxiing is often it is
part of an in-experienced Kit fox pilots test flight procedure and this can
be an accident waiting to happen. Once you know how to do it, it's easy but
I don't think I would promote it for a new KF pilot with limited tailwheel
time which can often be the scenario for a new builder/flyer.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ron
How did you go with the Zenair pricing - I am following because I want to
ensure I am not overpricing them.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Thanks Gary - Photo's would be great. You can send direct to my mail
address.
I am currently at that point where I am having to make my mind up as to
whether I overhaul the grey top or replace with blue top. The replacement
exercise is about 2 times the cost of the overhaul and that is after
trading the old motor in as a deposit.
I am thinking that a blue top may add more value to the aircraft.
"Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
16/11/2004 03:40 PM
Please respond to
kitfox-list@matronics.com
To
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc
Subject
RE: Kitfox-List: Changing 582's
Size: 5 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Roger,
I have the Blue Head which as you point out has slightly different coolant
line routing but I actually prefer the old grey head set up as it is far
less complicated.
I have changed my Blue head system to more closely follow the grey head.
Ie Mine came with the inlet into the thermostat pointing straight
up
and the pre-formed hose from the pump to the head running up the rear of
the
engine.
This made the installation messy and complicated.
I ended up buying a straight thermostat housing and replaced the 90 deg
inlet and also reversed the top inlet fitting and re-routed the pre-formed
hose around the front of the engine.
I can send photos if you like.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
Hi there
Has anyone done a change from the older, grey head 582 to a blue head 582?
If so, how much plumbing needed to be changed? I think the blue top has a
slightly different water routing? Any other tips/traps you may have please
share them.
Regards
Roger
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
David,
The effects of P - factor and assymetrical thrust are a given in any prop
plane just more pronounced on a pilot that is not used to a taildragger.
you have to be in directional control throughout the TO roll as well as
taxing
Practice will certainly not hurt.
If you cannot feel solid at the rudders in taxi tests then very likely your
landing and TO will be in jeopardy as well.
hope this helps.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> I respectfully disagree with the high speed taxiing and crow hops.
>
> I believe in accelerating or decelerating through that brief period of
time where control is minimal in a taildragger or weight shift machine.
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shortnaked<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
<shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> Ok sounds like you are transitiioning from tri gear to taildragger.
>
> Get lot of ground practice taxing, high speed taxing and a few crow
hops.
>
> Don' t let this discourage you from the taildragger.
>
> get your tail off ground ealrier and hold it off the ground in some of
these
> taxi tests.
>
> and also maybe keep your sights at end of runway to give you good sense
of
> your yaw and keep it straight.
> this will also help your periphial vision as well for depth control on
> touchdown.
>
>
> Shorty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > You are probably right. The Kitfox is so different from my nose gear
> flying
> > that I have almost had to learn to fly again. Fortunately I have had
a
> very
> > good and patient instructor. The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox
> > really stumped me for awhile. Even after several hours in the Kitfox
I
> must
> > constantly restrain myself from crabbing left.
> >
> > Thanks again for your thoughts. With a little more good weather to
> practice
> > in with my CFI I may just solo this thing before Christmas. It sure
is a
> > lot of fun.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Algate"
<algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate"
<algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > > One thing I was taught is there are a couple of things that really
> affect
> > > control during the take off and landing stages.
> > >
> > > 1 when you first apply throttle for take off and that causes
a
> > torque
> > > reaction from the prop which will require rudder to compensate
(Rudder
> > > direction depends on prop direction of rotation.
> > >
> > > 2 when tail lifts there is another swing which is due to the
> effect
> > of
> > > the prop wash and torque and this is probably what you are seeing.
> > >
> > > I remember that I had a lot of trouble with these effects initially
but
> > once
> > > you learn to lead with a little bit of compensating rudder rather
than
> try
> > > to react after the fact.
> > >
> > > Gary A
> > > Lite2/582
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
> > >
> > > In the last few weeks I have been having a lot of fun learning to
fly my
> > > Model IV Speedster. There are a couple of issues that perhaps this
list
> > can
> > > help me resolve. First, when landing or taking off there is a
period of
> > > time at about 35-40 mph that my plane gets notably more difficult to
> > control
> > > [Gary Algate]
> > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I may do that. Thanks Bob.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AV8OR27RL@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
>
> The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a
grease
> pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
seat.
> Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out
of
> it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need
it any
> more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
>
> Bob Locey
> Kitfox II
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:45:38 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
My concern is that my student will get airborne during taxi tests then lose control
while in the transition period from taxi to flight or flight to landing.
You are certainly correct about P factor, torque and gyroscopic effect being more
noticeable in a conventional gear airplane. I love 'em but they humble me
every time I think I might have them mastered.
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: shortnaked<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>
David,
The effects of P - factor and assymetrical thrust are a given in any prop
plane just more pronounced on a pilot that is not used to a taildragger.
you have to be in directional control throughout the TO roll as well as
taxing
Practice will certainly not hurt.
If you cannot feel solid at the rudders in taxi tests then very likely your
landing and TO will be in jeopardy as well.
hope this helps.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>
> I respectfully disagree with the high speed taxiing and crow hops.
>
> I believe in accelerating or decelerating through that brief period of
time where control is minimal in a taildragger or weight shift machine.
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shortnaked<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
<shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> Ok sounds like you are transitiioning from tri gear to taildragger.
>
> Get lot of ground practice taxing, high speed taxing and a few crow
hops.
>
> Don' t let this discourage you from the taildragger.
>
> get your tail off ground ealrier and hold it off the ground in some of
these
> taxi tests.
>
> and also maybe keep your sights at end of runway to give you good sense
of
> your yaw and keep it straight.
> this will also help your periphial vision as well for depth control on
> touchdown.
>
>
> Shorty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > You are probably right. The Kitfox is so different from my nose gear
> flying
> > that I have almost had to learn to fly again. Fortunately I have had
a
> very
> > good and patient instructor. The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox
> > really stumped me for awhile. Even after several hours in the Kitfox
I
> must
> > constantly restrain myself from crabbing left.
> >
> > Thanks again for your thoughts. With a little more good weather to
> practice
> > in with my CFI I may just solo this thing before Christmas. It sure
is a
> > lot of fun.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Algate"
<algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobalnet<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate"
<algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobalnet<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>>
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > > One thing I was taught is there are a couple of things that really
> affect
> > > control during the take off and landing stages.
> > >
> > > 1 when you first apply throttle for take off and that causes
a
> > torque
> > > reaction from the prop which will require rudder to compensate
(Rudder
> > > direction depends on prop direction of rotation.
> > >
> > > 2 when tail lifts there is another swing which is due to the
> effect
> > of
> > > the prop wash and torque and this is probably what you are seeing.
> > >
> > > I remember that I had a lot of trouble with these effects initially
but
> > once
> > > you learn to lead with a little bit of compensating rudder rather
than
> try
> > > to react after the fact.
> > >
> > > Gary A
> > > Lite2/582
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > >
> > > In the last few weeks I have been having a lot of fun learning to
fly my
> > > Model IV Speedster. There are a couple of issues that perhaps this
list
> > can
> > > help me resolve. First, when landing or taking off there is a
period of
> > > time at about 35-40 mph that my plane gets notably more difficult to
> > control
> > > [Gary Algate]
> > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
It has been my experiance that if you are having problems with ground
control while taxiing at different speeds your going to get in trouble
landing. Make sure the gear alignment is good, make sure your tire inflation
is correct and make sure the chains are tight on the tail wheel. These three
things can cause you real problems on the ground. Practice taxiing at
various speeds with the tail up and down. This will greatly improve your
handling skills, you can't lose.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
When I was flying my kit with the instructor I let him land and when doing
so I put a mark on the windshield that aligned the start of the cowl(at the
windshield) to center on the runway, a small mark was all that was needed.
After a couple times landing that way I zeroed in on the wings in relation
to the runway and been fine sense(got to use your peripheral). Thing is,
whenever I fly a 172 now or any airplane, I can center the airplane (yaw)
with no problems. One last note: you know your square to the runway when
the tires don't chirp on touchdown. I also believe that wheel landings and
3 points separate the men from the boys.
Do get an instructor or an experienced kitfox flyer to take you up and
practice all types of landings. Mine had me doing 12 knot direct cross wind
landings, running down the runway, but not completely stopping. Talk about
a weird feeling, you lay on the freekn' door and literally dance on the
rudder. I had to land in quartering wind and a direct 10 knot tail wind.
On normal landings I was to land on one wheel lift off that wheel and go to
the other. All these things prepare you for landing the kitfox, if you
don't do these, well ...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Bob,
I'd like to try this. How long should I make the line and will it work okay
if I line it up with my control stick?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AV8OR27RL@cs.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a grease
pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
seat.
Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out of
it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need it
any
more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
If they are your student , would the dual training of taxi tests be part of
the curriculum?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> My concern is that my student will get airborne during taxi tests then
lose control while in the transition period from taxi to flight or flight to
landing.
>
> You are certainly correct about P factor, torque and gyroscopic effect
being more noticeable in a conventional gear airplane. I love 'em but they
humble me every time I think I might have them mastered.
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shortnaked<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
<shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>
>
> David,
>
>
> The effects of P - factor and assymetrical thrust are a given in any
prop
> plane just more pronounced on a pilot that is not used to a taildragger.
>
> you have to be in directional control throughout the TO roll as well as
> taxing
>
> Practice will certainly not hurt.
>
> If you cannot feel solid at the rudders in taxi tests then very likely
your
> landing and TO will be in jeopardy as well.
>
> hope this helps.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Savener"
<david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
<david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with the high speed taxiing and crow hops.
> >
> > I believe in accelerating or decelerating through that brief period of
> time where control is minimal in a taildragger or weight shift machine.
> >
> > Dave S
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
shortnaked<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>
> > To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-lis
t@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
>
<shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden
.net<mailto:shortnaked@golden.net>>>
> >
> > Jimmie,
> >
> > Ok sounds like you are transitiioning from tri gear to taildragger.
> >
> > Get lot of ground practice taxing, high speed taxing and a few
crow
> hops.
> >
> > Don' t let this discourage you from the taildragger.
> >
> > get your tail off ground ealrier and hold it off the ground in some
of
> these
> > taxi tests.
> >
> > and also maybe keep your sights at end of runway to give you good
sense
> of
> > your yaw and keep it straight.
> > this will also help your periphial vision as well for depth control
on
> > touchdown.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<m
ailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > To:
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-li
st@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> >
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<m
ailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > You are probably right. The Kitfox is so different from my nose
gear
> > flying
> > > that I have almost had to learn to fly again. Fortunately I have
had
> a
> > very
> > > good and patient instructor. The 20 degree slanted nose of the
Kitfox
> > > really stumped me for awhile. Even after several hours in the
Kitfox
> I
> > must
> > > constantly restrain myself from crabbing left.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your thoughts. With a little more good weather
to
> > practice
> > > in with my CFI I may just solo this thing before Christmas. It
sure
> is a
> > > lot of fun.
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gary Algate"
>
<algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobalnet
<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>>
> > > To:
<kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-li
st@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>>
> > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate"
>
<algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobalnet
<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>>
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy
> > > >
> > > > One thing I was taught is there are a couple of things that
really
> > affect
> > > > control during the take off and landing stages.
> > > >
> > > > 1 when you first apply throttle for take off and that
causes
> a
> > > torque
> > > > reaction from the prop which will require rudder to compensate
> (Rudder
> > > > direction depends on prop direction of rotation.
> > > >
> > > > 2 when tail lifts there is another swing which is due to
the
> > effect
> > > of
> > > > the prop wash and torque and this is probably what you are
seeing.
> > > >
> > > > I remember that I had a lot of trouble with these effects
initially
> but
> > > once
> > > > you learn to lead with a little bit of compensating rudder
rather
> than
> > try
> > > > to react after the fact.
> > > >
> > > > Gary A
> > > > Lite2/582
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > >
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net<m
ailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > > >
> > > > In the last few weeks I have been having a lot of fun learning
to
> fly my
> > > > Model IV Speedster. There are a couple of issues that perhaps
this
> list
> > > can
> > > > help me resolve. First, when landing or taking off there is a
> period of
> > > > time at about 35-40 mph that my plane gets notably more
difficult to
> > > control
> > > > [Gary Algate]
> > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
...I also believe that wheel landings
and 3 points separate the men from the boys...
Absolutely agree. You are a complete taildragger pilot when you feel comfortable
doing a side slip (cross control) wheel landing in cross wind. This is the
"only" correct way to land in cross wind.
I recommend the book "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot" by Harvey S. Plourde.
Jose
customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
When I was flying my kit with the instructor I let him land and when doing
so I put a mark on the windshield that aligned the start of the cowl(at the
windshield) to center on the runway, a small mark was all that was needed.
After a couple times landing that way I zeroed in on the wings in relation
to the runway and been fine sense(got to use your peripheral). Thing is,
whenever I fly a 172 now or any airplane, I can center the airplane (yaw)
with no problems. One last note: you know your square to the runway when
the tires don't chirp on touchdown. I also believe that wheel landings and
3 points separate the men from the boys.
Do get an instructor or an experienced kitfox flyer to take you up and
practice all types of landings. Mine had me doing 12 knot direct cross wind
landings, running down the runway, but not completely stopping. Talk about
a weird feeling, you lay on the freekn' door and literally dance on the
rudder. I had to land in quartering wind and a direct 10 knot tail wind.
On normal landings I was to land on one wheel lift off that wheel and go to
the other. All these things prepare you for landing the kitfox, if you
don't do these, well ...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
Hi Bob,
I'd like to try this. How long should I make the line and will it work okay
if I line it up with my control stick?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AV8OR27RL@cs.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a grease
pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
seat.
Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out of
it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need it
any
more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Wow, that sounds great. I'm going to start practicing some of these
techniques.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
customtrans@qwest.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
When I was flying my kit with the instructor I let him land and when doing
so I put a mark on the windshield that aligned the start of the cowl(at the
windshield) to center on the runway, a small mark was all that was needed.
After a couple times landing that way I zeroed in on the wings in relation
to the runway and been fine sense(got to use your peripheral). Thing is,
whenever I fly a 172 now or any airplane, I can center the airplane (yaw)
with no problems. One last note: you know your square to the runway when
the tires don't chirp on touchdown. I also believe that wheel landings and
3 points separate the men from the boys.
Do get an instructor or an experienced kitfox flyer to take you up and
practice all types of landings. Mine had me doing 12 knot direct cross wind
landings, running down the runway, but not completely stopping. Talk about
a weird feeling, you lay on the freekn' door and literally dance on the
rudder. I had to land in quartering wind and a direct 10 knot tail wind.
On normal landings I was to land on one wheel lift off that wheel and go to
the other. All these things prepare you for landing the kitfox, if you
don't do these, well ...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Bob,
I'd like to try this. How long should I make the line and will it work okay
if I line it up with my control stick?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AV8OR27RL@cs.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a grease
pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
seat.
Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out of
it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need it
any
more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
I teach my students crab vs side slips, slow flight and stalls before attempting
the first takeoff. I want them to know how the airplane "feels" flying slow
at 1000 feet before attempting to have them flying the plane a couple of feet
above the planet. Before trying the first takeoff, I ask them to fly the plane
at about 50 feet over the runway, keeping the plane aligned with the runway
using crab, and then again using a side slip. Probably this is not the conventional
way of instructing, but has worked for me and my students.
Jose
shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
If they are your student , would the dual training of taxi tests be part of
the curriculum?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
>
> My concern is that my student will get airborne during taxi tests then
lose control while in the transition period from taxi to flight or flight to
landing.
>
> You are certainly correct about P factor, torque and gyroscopic effect
being more noticeable in a conventional gear airplane. I love 'em but they
humble me every time I think I might have them mastered.
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shortnaked
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
>
>
> David,
>
>
> The effects of P - factor and assymetrical thrust are a given in any
prop
> plane just more pronounced on a pilot that is not used to a taildragger.
>
> you have to be in directional control throughout the TO roll as well as
> taxing
>
> Practice will certainly not hurt.
>
> If you cannot feel solid at the rudders in taxi tests then very likely
your
> landing and TO will be in jeopardy as well.
>
> hope this helps.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Savener"
>
> To: >
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
>
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with the high speed taxiing and crow hops.
> >
> > I believe in accelerating or decelerating through that brief period of
> time where control is minimal in a taildragger or weight shift machine.
> >
> > Dave S
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
shortnaked>
> > To:
kitfox-list@matronics.comt@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
>
.net>>
> >
> > Jimmie,
> >
> > Ok sounds like you are transitiioning from tri gear to taildragger.
> >
> > Get lot of ground practice taxing, high speed taxing and a few
crow
> hops.
> >
> > Don' t let this discourage you from the taildragger.
> >
> > get your tail off ground ealrier and hold it off the ground in some
of
> these
> > taxi tests.
> >
> > and also maybe keep your sights at end of runway to give you good
sense
> of
> > your yaw and keep it straight.
> > this will also help your periphial vision as well for depth control
on
> > touchdown.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>
ailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > To:
st@matronics.com>>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> >
ailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > You are probably right. The Kitfox is so different from my nose
gear
> > flying
> > > that I have almost had to learn to fly again. Fortunately I have
had
> a
> > very
> > > good and patient instructor. The 20 degree slanted nose of the
Kitfox
> > > really stumped me for awhile. Even after several hours in the
Kitfox
> I
> > must
> > > constantly restrain myself from crabbing left.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your thoughts. With a little more good weather
to
> > practice
> > > in with my CFI I may just solo this thing before Christmas. It
sure
> is a
> > > lot of fun.
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gary Algate"
>
>>
> > > To:
st@matronics.com>>
> > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate"
>
>>
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy
> > > >
> > > > One thing I was taught is there are a couple of things that
really
> > affect
> > > > control during the take off and landing stages.
> > > >
> > > > 1 when you first apply throttle for take off and that
causes
> a
> > > torque
> > > > reaction from the prop which will require rudder to compensate
> (Rudder
> > > > direction depends on prop direction of rotation.
> > > >
> > > > 2 when tail lifts there is another swing which is due to
the
> > effect
> > > of
> > > > the prop wash and torque and this is probably what you are
seeing.
> > > >
> > > > I remember that I had a lot of trouble with these effects
initially
> but
> > > once
> > > > you learn to lead with a little bit of compensating rudder
rather
> than
> > try
> > > > to react after the fact.
> > > >
> > > > Gary A
> > > > Lite2/582
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > >
ailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>>
> > > >
> > > > In the last few weeks I have been having a lot of fun learning
to
> fly my
> > > > Model IV Speedster. There are a couple of issues that perhaps
this
> list
> > > can
> > > > help me resolve. First, when landing or taking off there is a
> period of
> > > > time at about 35-40 mph that my plane gets notably more
difficult to
> > > control
> > > > [Gary Algate]
> > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I recently moved and have had to re-learn my cross wind techniques as I have
spent the last three years on floats and skis and basically always landed
into the wind.
Now I am flying from a grass strip and contend with 15K cross winds on a
daily basis. Side slips with cross controls have become the norm and its
amazing how solid the Kitfox feels when you are on final set up for a cross
wind landing. I rarely do wheel landings as I like to keep the landings as
short as possible.
The strip I fly from is 1800ft but one end basically a hill with the last
250 ft climbing approx 40 ft. If you land from the east the approach is
between two power poles (clearly marked with U/G high tension wires) and the
run out is up hill. Landing from the West I found more difficult as you
touch down on top of the hill and then the runway drops away from you and
you find yourself flying again. As you are also on the point of stall it is
interesting as you find yourself back 30ft in the air, nose high and
stalling. Like everything else in a Kitfox practice makes perfect and now I
manage to make it look it pretty easy.
GaryA
Lite2/582
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:04:53 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Gary,
I agree with everything you are saying. I should have stated that I was referring
to in-experienced Kit fox pilots. I know of three accidents, one very serious,
from low or no time pilots trying to teach themselves.
One was in a Kitfox and he damaged his new airplane by taxi testing in a gusty
wind. Another guy nearly died trying to teach himself how to fly a Sabre trike.
He panicked three feet off the ground and hurt himself badly while trashing
the trike.
I was looking at it from an instructor's point of view.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Algate<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net<mailto:algate@attglobal.net>>
Dave
Crow hops and high speed taxi's are just another tool in your armory. The
trick is to have the confidence and skills to use them appropriately and
safely. We use them all the time on skis as often you will land in the
middle of a large lake as the runway is marked, but then you could have a 1
mile taxi to your house. The best way to do this is a short hop or high
speed tail high taxi.
We use the marked runway as it helps prevent "incidents" that happen when
people start taking off or landing haphazardly all over the lake.
The only problem with carrying out hops or high speed taxiing is often it is
part of an in-experienced Kit fox pilots test flight procedure and this can
be an accident waiting to happen. Once you know how to do it, it's easy but
I don't think I would promote it for a new KF pilot with limited tailwheel
time which can often be the scenario for a new builder/flyer.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Very well said,
like i said --practice makes perfect.
to all homebuilders,
now that you have spent considerable time preparing your plane for flight ,
PLEASE prepare your self.
Dual instruction a must if you have no tail time in my opinion anyways.
slow fight - stalls - spirals for sure
and get it all side slips -corsswinds, tailwinds, grass, gravel, asphalt
and i am sure alot of you know how to deadstick already if not better get
brushed up on some forced approahes. You just never know when it gonna
happen and practice will leave you better prepared in the event it does to
you.
No point in wrecking those hundreds of hours of building.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> When I was flying my kit with the instructor I let him land and when doing
> so I put a mark on the windshield that aligned the start of the cowl(at
the
> windshield) to center on the runway, a small mark was all that was needed.
> After a couple times landing that way I zeroed in on the wings in relation
> to the runway and been fine sense(got to use your peripheral). Thing is,
> whenever I fly a 172 now or any airplane, I can center the airplane (yaw)
> with no problems. One last note: you know your square to the runway when
> the tires don't chirp on touchdown. I also believe that wheel landings
and
> 3 points separate the men from the boys.
>
> Do get an instructor or an experienced kitfox flyer to take you up and
> practice all types of landings. Mine had me doing 12 knot direct cross
wind
> landings, running down the runway, but not completely stopping. Talk
about
> a weird feeling, you lay on the freekn' door and literally dance on the
> rudder. I had to land in quartering wind and a direct 10 knot tail wind.
> On normal landings I was to land on one wheel lift off that wheel and go
to
> the other. All these things prepare you for landing the kitfox, if you
> don't do these, well ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
> Robert
> To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I'd like to try this. How long should I make the line and will it work
okay
> if I line it up with my control stick?
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AV8OR27RL@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
>
> The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a
grease
>
> pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
> seat.
> Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out
of
> it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need
it
> any
> more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
>
> Bob Locey
> Kitfox II
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:14:25 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Your observation confirms my suspicion that this fox needs a little tweaking to
tame it down a little. I think it is to touchy. Really difficult to keep it
straight on TOs & Landings.
We have been working on a hard surface runway because Central Texas is extremely
wet right now and there are no way any grass runways useable right now. It's
been raining most of the time for three weeks.
We'll check the alignment and more closely. Tire pressure was perfect. Chains?
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox handling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
It has been my experiance that if you are having problems with ground
control while taxiing at different speeds your going to get in trouble
landing. Make sure the gear alignment is good, make sure your tire inflation
is correct and make sure the chains are tight on the tail wheel. These three
things can cause you real problems on the ground. Practice taxiing at
various speeds with the tail up and down. This will greatly improve your
handling skills, you can't lose.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 11/23/2004 11:17:04 AM Central Standard Time,
david_savener@msn.com writes:
It has been my experiance that if you are having problems with ground
control while taxiing at different speeds your going to get in trouble
landing. Make sure the gear alignment is good, make sure your tire inflation
is correct and make sure the chains are tight on the tail wheel. These three
things can cause you real problems on the ground. Practice taxiing at
various speeds with the tail up and down. This will greatly improve your
handling skills, you can't lose.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Great Advice...!
I didnt read all threads.... but I have a KF 2 as well. Have about 300
hours the past 2.5 years. I have flown it in many conditions, including very
strong crosswinds on pavement.
My opinion, 3 point landings (full stall) are much easier because,
1) At touchdown, the "fly" is out of the plane
2) Your tail wheel gives you solid steering
3) Best to avoid that transistion point in a wheel landing from 2 point to
tail wheel touching ground, because there is a point that rudder becomes weak
and may not be enough in a crosswind and especially on pavement. Not to
mention, 2 point landings are at thigher speeds.
You MUST touch down straight, I love to slip all the way.... fun and better
vis.......
My strip is less than 800 feet and almost never use more than 50%
It took me a while, but once comfortable, the KF is a blast.... its not for
sale... :-)
Dave
KF 2 583
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Dave,
Very well said.!! congrats!!
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox handling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2004 11:17:04 AM Central Standard Time,
> david_savener@msn.com writes:
>
> It has been my experiance that if you are having problems with ground
> control while taxiing at different speeds your going to get in trouble
> landing. Make sure the gear alignment is good, make sure your tire
inflation
> is correct and make sure the chains are tight on the tail wheel. These
three
> things can cause you real problems on the ground. Practice taxiing at
> various speeds with the tail up and down. This will greatly improve your
> handling skills, you can't lose.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
>
> Great Advice...!
>
> I didnt read all threads.... but I have a KF 2 as well. Have about 300
> hours the past 2.5 years. I have flown it in many conditions, including
very
> strong crosswinds on pavement.
>
> My opinion, 3 point landings (full stall) are much easier because,
> 1) At touchdown, the "fly" is out of the plane
> 2) Your tail wheel gives you solid steering
> 3) Best to avoid that transistion point in a wheel landing from 2 point
to
> tail wheel touching ground, because there is a point that rudder becomes
weak
> and may not be enough in a crosswind and especially on pavement. Not to
> mention, 2 point landings are at thigher speeds.
>
> You MUST touch down straight, I love to slip all the way.... fun and
better
> vis.......
>
> My strip is less than 800 feet and almost never use more than 50%
>
> It took me a while, but once comfortable, the KF is a blast.... its not
for
> sale... :-)
>
> Dave
> KF 2 583
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox handling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi David,
This advice is a number one, make your fox go straight when your tail
wheel is down.
Most important, don't fly before this is fixed - good - good advice.
cheers
Torgeir.
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:54:48 -0700, Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> It has been my experiance that if you are having problems with ground
> control while taxiing at different speeds your going to get in trouble
> landing. Make sure the gear alignment is good, make sure your tire
> inflation
> is correct and make sure the chains are tight on the tail wheel. These
> three
> things can cause you real problems on the ground. Practice taxiing at
> various speeds with the tail up and down. This will greatly improve your
> handling skills, you can't lose.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do not archive
>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
dead stick, oh ya! you bet ya. I will have to say every landing I do is
with the power pulled. Doesn't mater the type of aircraft, no power. I was
flying a couple months ago with a friend in his maule, and on the downwind
for a grass landing he wanted me to dead stick it. I pulled the power and
went in for landing, I leveled it out on the runway and did the most
beautiful wheels landing. His mouth dropped and said a wheel landing in my
maule? All I could do is chuckle.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of shortnaked
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Very well said,
like i said --practice makes perfect.
to all homebuilders,
now that you have spent considerable time preparing your plane for flight ,
PLEASE prepare your self.
Dual instruction a must if you have no tail time in my opinion anyways.
slow fight - stalls - spirals for sure
and get it all side slips -corsswinds, tailwinds, grass, gravel, asphalt
and i am sure alot of you know how to deadstick already if not better get
brushed up on some forced approahes. You just never know when it gonna
happen and practice will leave you better prepared in the event it does to
you.
No point in wrecking those hundreds of hours of building.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> When I was flying my kit with the instructor I let him land and when doing
> so I put a mark on the windshield that aligned the start of the cowl(at
the
> windshield) to center on the runway, a small mark was all that was needed.
> After a couple times landing that way I zeroed in on the wings in relation
> to the runway and been fine sense(got to use your peripheral). Thing is,
> whenever I fly a 172 now or any airplane, I can center the airplane (yaw)
> with no problems. One last note: you know your square to the runway when
> the tires don't chirp on touchdown. I also believe that wheel landings
and
> 3 points separate the men from the boys.
>
> Do get an instructor or an experienced kitfox flyer to take you up and
> practice all types of landings. Mine had me doing 12 knot direct cross
wind
> landings, running down the runway, but not completely stopping. Talk
about
> a weird feeling, you lay on the freekn' door and literally dance on the
> rudder. I had to land in quartering wind and a direct 10 knot tail wind.
> On normal landings I was to land on one wheel lift off that wheel and go
to
> the other. All these things prepare you for landing the kitfox, if you
> don't do these, well ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
> Robert
> To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I'd like to try this. How long should I make the line and will it work
okay
> if I line it up with my control stick?
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AV8OR27RL@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
>
> The 20 degree slanted nose of the Kitfox gave me trouble to. I used a
grease
>
> pencil to put a vertical line on the windscreen directly in front of my
> seat.
> Don't fixate on it just use it as a reference. It takes the question out
of
> it. The grease pencil will wipe off easily when you decide you don't need
it
> any
> more but I like it there so I keep putting it back on. Works for me.
>
> Bob Locey
> Kitfox II
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
I've put on 3 windscreens on my Model IV. Major problem is cracking around headrack
and at the top of the cowl area. has anyone tried using a heat gun while
bending the lexan?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Algate [mailto:algate@attglobal.net]
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lexan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I know this makes me sound like a "Hacker" but in the last 12 months I have
cut about 4 windscreens from 1/8" Lexan and use a fine tooth jig saw.
Basically I just add two layers of 2" masking tape over the backing paper
where the outline of new windscreen will be (This prevents the jigsaw
marking the new lexan) and then I mark out using the old windscreen as a
template.
I cut out the basic shape using the jig saw and then the smaller intricate
shapes around the but rib etc I use a dremel with drum sander.
I practiced this on old lexan prior to cutting the windscreen and never had
any issues with cracking the new lexan.
Works like a charm
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
>
We have had some discussions about cutting and drilling wind screens and
windows etc. The Dremmel seems to be the tool of choice. Just to put a
different slant on things. I have cut several windscreens and side windows
using a good quality tin snip. Used a rechargeable w/a sharp metal bit and a
sheet of plywood for backing. Dressed up the edges with a rubber block
sander. This worked out just fine with no problems and the finished product
looks real nice too. It is very simple to do if you keep the old screen for
a pattern.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Attachment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi There,
Download this document (in pdf format), a real good description of the
Maule tail wheel SFS A. Here's all the thing you'll like to know for the
maintenance etc. Go to page 17 (the last page) and you'll find the ideal
mounting angle.
BTW., this document is made by Drew Fidoe.
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule_Tailwheel.pdf
Torgeir.
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:51:32 -0600, David Savener <david_savener@msn.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
> <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> The hard to control characteristic of Jimmie's Speedster IMO is that the
> rudder is too sensitive during the transition from rudder
> steering(rudder still effective) to tailwheel steering.
>
> My model II is comparatively quite docile compared to N855(Jimmie's
> Speedster). I suspect(I am certainly no expert) that the geometry of
> the tailwheel, tailwheel spring, rudder to tailwheel springs, etc. may
> not be set up just right.
>
> John King tamed his tail wheel steering. His description of how his
> airplane acted before he worked on it sounded a lot like N855 is now.
>
> Dave S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
>
> Dave
>
> Help me out here. You could probably describe this better than me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Comp User"
> <trebla@directinter.net<mailto:trebla@directinter.net>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel Attachment
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User"
> <trebla@directinter.net<mailto:trebla@directinter.net>>
> >
> > Could you explain a little more on hard to control? Rudder control,
> pitch,
> > there are a lot of things that get hard to control.
> > Albert Smith
> > 5TD
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change
every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil
change time.
Spark plugs get changed at annual inspection; I don't bother checking,
cleaning or regapping in between. I think the engine, as it comes from NSI,
is good for 1500 hrs TBO with a top overhaul, i.e. valves, seats and valve
guides at 750 - 800 hrs. Subaru heads have a tendency to crack between the
intake and exhaust valves. You want to catch that (those) crack(s) and
machine/ weld
them before they get too deep, down into the water chamber.
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Peter,
I like your plane and website. I have a model II KF and I'm looking into
getting a series V like yours with a NSI.
Could you please tell me what the typical maintenance schedule is for the
NSI and the approximate times the engine should have work done on it. The
engine I'm looking at has about 270 hours on it.
Robert
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| Subject: | Suburu Questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Peter and others,
Can I use 100LL aviation fuel in the NSI and do you only need to check for
cracks in the head when it's overhauled? Also, how often should the flywheel
be inspected and is it easy to access (I saw a picture of a cracked flywheel
on the web not to long ago? Is there much frame vibration from the engine
compared to any other foxes you have flown in (my 582 Rotax causes the
airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the
airframe.
Thanks,
Robert
KFII 582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change
every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil
change time.
Spark plugs get changed at annual inspection; I don't bother checking,
cleaning or regapping in between. I think the engine, as it comes from NSI,
is good for 1500 hrs TBO with a top overhaul, i.e. valves, seats and valve
guides at 750 - 800 hrs. Subaru heads have a tendency to crack between the
intake and exhaust valves. You want to catch that (those) crack(s) and
machine/ weld
them before they get too deep, down into the water chamber.
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Michael, You said that well.
<> Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
> sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others. Recall
> that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
> someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.>
Well health does have matter in my opinion.
I understand the frustration of an ATR that has been grounded to only see
his basically unfit neighbour go fly his kitfox because he does not require
a medical.
Damned if you do and damned if you do not it seems.
Perhaps the aviation medical would be a wake up too some that normally
would not get a medical?
Lemme see i go and spend my money to get a medical,
then i go over and get my electrocardiogram
then I apply to a government worker to "allow " me the priveldge to fly?
Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
but we still get our medicals to fly and drive(certain classes)
Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is self declared,
maybe i should just self declare that i am OK ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Dave sez:
>
> >geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a 757
has
> >his medical?
> >
> >If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him that
> >passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
>
> In the grand scheme of things, pilot medical problems cause less than
> 1/10th of 1 percent of all airplane accidents. One could argue
> that's because the FAA and the authorities in other countries do such
> a good job with screening out those that are not healthy enough to
> fly safely, but it isn't hard to find a lot of aviation medical
> examiners who feel the rules are way behind the times in terms of
> what are and what are not troublesome medical conditions for pilots.
> It might just be that people without a history of debilitating
> medical conditions seldom develop one in flight.
>
> It could also be argued that a lot of dangerous medical conditions
> have plenty of time to crop up between physicals, hence the
> requirement on pilots to assess their own airworthiness prior to each
> flight. Having a valid medical certificate does not mean you are fit
> to fly.
>
> Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
> sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others. Recall
> that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
> someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.
>
> Time will tell if this position is justified.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" <raugenstein@fuse.net>
Anyone have any ideas on how ot price a kitfox. Mine is a series 5 Subaru EJ22
with 22 hours. Medical and financial reasons dictate sale.
Roger KY
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| Subject: | Suburu Questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I have never used any fuel other than 100LL.
As I stated before, I think the EA81 engine is ready for a "top" overhaul
around 750 hrs. At that time you will find out whether there are cracks or
not. Of course it is always a good idea to check the engine oil for presence
of ethylene glycol, which, if positive, would suggest further investigation
(head gasket, cracked head??). Keep in mind that the engine turns 4000 rpm
at cruise. In a car that would correspond to about 100 mph (as it does in my
kitfox5). 750 hrs at 100 mph equals 75,000 miles driven at 100 mph. I think
under those conditions the heads ought to be looked at regardless whether
the engine is propelling a car or an airplane.
As regards the flywheel, I would suggest inspection with mirror and
flashlight every 10 hrs, if you still have the flywheel with lightning
holes. If it has been replace with the solid one, i.e. no lightning holes,
inspection at annual time should suffice.
Personally, I think the NSI Subaru in combination with their PSRU and CAP is
the smoothest running engine out there. If there is any noticeable
vibration, something needs to be adjusted!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Suburu Questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Peter and others,
Can I use 100LL aviation fuel in the NSI and do you only need to check for
cracks in the head when it's overhauled? Also, how often should the flywheel
be inspected and is it easy to access (I saw a picture of a cracked flywheel
on the web not to long ago? Is there much frame vibration from the engine
compared to any other foxes you have flown in (my 582 Rotax causes the
airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the
airframe.
Thanks,
Robert
KFII 582
-----Original Message-----
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi John,
Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still
running the second - and so far no cracks.
Hmm, I'll wonder- do you know that Lexan (brand name for GE) or
Polycarbonat, do cracks very badly (after a while), if it's flushed with
fuel. I'll think this is the main reason why those windscreen crack up.
When discussing this, the Kitfox (all the models) is known to quite easily
throw out fuel if you fill it to fast. When there is refueling service,
I'll always have to teach those people (very - closely), or I'll have a
spillage over the wing, that's for sure! So, I'll always cover up the
inner area of the wing simply with a cotton rag, this save my windscreens
and doors, -in case.
Torgeir.
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:28:07 -0600, FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]
<john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]"
> <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>
> I've put on 3 windscreens on my Model IV. Major problem is cracking
> around headrack and at the top of the cowl area. has anyone tried using
> a heat gun while bending the lexan?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Algate [mailto:algate@attglobal.net]
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lexan
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I know this makes me sound like a "Hacker" but in the last 12 months I
> have
> cut about 4 windscreens from 1/8" Lexan and use a fine tooth jig saw.
> Basically I just add two layers of 2" masking tape over the backing paper
> where the outline of new windscreen will be (This prevents the jigsaw
> marking the new lexan) and then I mark out using the old windscreen as a
> template.
>
> I cut out the basic shape using the jig saw and then the smaller
> intricate
> shapes around the but rib etc I use a dremel with drum sander.
>
> I practiced this on old lexan prior to cutting the windscreen and never
> had
> any issues with cracking the new lexan.
>
> Works like a charm
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>>
>
> We have had some discussions about cutting and drilling wind screens and
> windows etc. The Dremmel seems to be the tool of choice. Just to put a
> different slant on things. I have cut several windscreens and side
> windows
> using a good quality tin snip. Used a rechargeable w/a sharp metal bit
> and a
> sheet of plywood for backing. Dressed up the edges with a rubber block
> sander. This worked out just fine with no problems and the finished
> product
> looks real nice too. It is very simple to do if you keep the old screen
> for
> a pattern.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
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| Subject: | If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep |
it running full time.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full
time.
If you have a valve to close the fuel flow to the mikuni pump exclusively,
upon occurrence of an engine failure, you can close that valve. The
windmilling
could restart the engine if the engine is able to clear the flood. This
is subject to testing, but I won't be the volunteer...
Thanks Jose,
I appreciate you could keep the electric pump running.
I guess that's a matter of personal choice. I've been taught to fly in a
Jabiru and that has an electric backup pump. we use it on take- offs and
landings in case we need to go around. Other than that it's for when the
mechanical pump gives up. So if I fit one in my Fox I think I'd do the same.
I'm not sure about volunteering to check if the engine would restart
either. I think if one considers there is some risk in that then why do it.
Not checking that out to me doesn't really detract from the value of having
the system to give you that chance. rather than no options. I'm still
learning in my Fox so I'm not going to try it at this point in time but
would be quite happy to when I'm confident of handling a dead engine landing
every time. As I said before I've played with Two Strokes a lot and I am
confident of getting a restart so I guess that influences my thinking.
However I don't encourage anyone else to try it if it worries them at all.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/23/04 10:29:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com writes:
<<
I've put on 3 windscreens on my Model IV. Major problem is cracking around
headrack and at the top of the cowl area. has anyone tried using a heat gun
while bending the lexan?
>>
Yes, didn't work. According to the Lexan folks, a heat gun won't work.
Material must be dried and then brought up to a specific temp for bending.
Localized heating won't work (all this according to Lexan engineers)
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Peter I would reverse the time on oil vs redrive.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for
NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change
every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil
change time.
Spark plugs get changed at annual inspection; I don't bother checking,
cleaning or regapping in between. I think the engine, as it comes from NSI,
is good for 1500 hrs TBO with a top overhaul, i.e. valves, seats and valve
guides at 750 - 800 hrs. Subaru heads have a tendency to crack between the
intake and exhaust valves. You want to catch that (those) crack(s) and
machine/ weld
them before they get too deep, down into the water chamber.
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Peter,
I like your plane and website. I have a model II KF and I'm looking into
getting a series V like yours with a NSI.
Could you please tell me what the typical maintenance schedule is for the
NSI and the approximate times the engine should have work done on it. The
engine I'm looking at has about 270 hours on it.
Robert
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox handling |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:34:18 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
What was your tire pressure?
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Savener<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox handling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
Your observation confirms my suspicion that this fox needs a little tweaking
to tame it down a little. I think it is to touchy. Really difficult to keep
it straight on TOs & Landings.
We have been working on a hard surface runway because Central Texas is extremely
wet right now and there are no way any grass runways useable right now. It's
been raining most of the time for three weeks.
We'll check the alignment and more closely. Tire pressure was perfect. Chains?
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox handling
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>>
It has been my experiance that if you are having problems with ground
control while taxiing at different speeds your going to get in trouble
landing. Make sure the gear alignment is good, make sure your tire inflation
is correct and make sure the chains are tight on the tail wheel. These three
things can cause you real problems on the ground. Practice taxiing at
various speeds with the tail up and down. This will greatly improve your
handling skills, you can't lose.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Not sure how you have been preparing your windscreens, but I had my original
on for 5 years, no cracks. Very important that the edges be sanded perfectly
smooth and all edges rounded, even the drilled holes. The slightest rough
spot or nick will create a stress riser and cracking will begin.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/23/04 10:29:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com writes:
>
> <<
> I've put on 3 windscreens on my Model IV. Major problem is cracking
> around
> headrack and at the top of the cowl area. has anyone tried using a heat
> gun
> while bending the lexan?
> >>
>
> Yes, didn't work. According to the Lexan folks, a heat gun won't work.
> Material must be dried and then brought up to a specific temp for bending.
> Localized heating won't work (all this according to Lexan engineers)
>
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
I have an older style KF cargo pod that I don't plan to use.
Excellent cond. (never been used), two access doors, w/mounting hardware. Would
be willing to sell. Pictures available. Located in So. Cal. Contact me off list
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:45:46 -0500
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris Erickson" <umasha@msn.com>
Hello,
I'm looking for a three bladed laminated edge 68 inch GSC Systems Propeller for
a Rotax 582 liquid cooled. I was wondering if anyone had one that they wanted
to sell?
Thanks,
Chris
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