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1. 02:27 AM - 582 timing (BROSCHART)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full time. (Jose M. Toro)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI (Peter Graichen)
4. 08:41 AM - SV: Lexan (Michel Verheughe)
5. 08:44 AM - Sport Pilot & self certified medicals (Stu Bryant)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: 582 timing (Bob Robertson)
7. 08:51 AM - Re: Subaru Questions (Harris, Robert)
8. 09:29 AM - Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? (Harris, Robert)
9. 10:04 AM - Re: Lexan (Jimmie Blackwell)
10. 10:39 AM - Thanksgiving (jdmcbean)
11. 10:57 AM - Re: Lexan (Torgeir Mortensen)
12. 10:57 AM - SV: Lexan (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:30 PM - Will be in OK City... (Clifford Begnaud)
14. 01:13 PM - Re: Will be in OK City... (Gary Henderson)
15. 01:13 PM - Re: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals ()
16. 02:37 PM - Re: Will be in OK City... (Clifford Begnaud)
17. 04:35 PM - Re: Will be in OK City... (Gary Henderson)
18. 04:51 PM - Maule SFSA Tailwheel (Rex & Jan Shaw)
19. 05:10 PM - in (my 582 Rotax causes the (Rex & Jan Shaw)
20. 05:17 PM - Re: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? (Bob Robertson)
21. 05:17 PM - Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is self declared, (Rex & Jan Shaw)
22. 06:01 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (chad lively)
23. 06:02 PM - Bob,,CHT sensors (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
24. 06:20 PM - Re: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI (Rick)
25. 08:03 PM - Re: Bob,,CHT sensors (aerocon1@telusplanet.net)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the
582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft
Have a good day - Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can |
keep it running full time.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Rex:
That is why I keep the electric pump. I know it does not create a new problem,
at it may work if the mikuni fails. I hope I don't need find out.
What can you tell about flying a Jabiru powered plane? I just placed the order
for my Jabiru 2200. I did a lot of research, but have never seen one.
Jose
Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full
time.
If you have a valve to close the fuel flow to the mikuni pump exclusively,
upon occurrence of an engine failure, you can close that valve. The
windmilling
could restart the engine if the engine is able to clear the flood. This
is subject to testing, but I won't be the volunteer...
Thanks Jose,
I appreciate you could keep the electric pump running.
I guess that's a matter of personal choice. I've been taught to fly in a
Jabiru and that has an electric backup pump. we use it on take- offs and
landings in case we need to go around. Other than that it's for when the
mechanical pump gives up. So if I fit one in my Fox I think I'd do the same.
I'm not sure about volunteering to check if the engine would restart
either. I think if one considers there is some risk in that then why do it.
Not checking that out to me doesn't really detract from the value of having
the system to give you that chance. rather than no options. I'm still
learning in my Fox so I'm not going to try it at this point in time but
would be quite happy to when I'm confident of handling a dead engine landing
every time. As I said before I've played with Two Strokes a lot and I am
confident of getting a restart so I guess that influences my thinking.
However I don't encourage anyone else to try it if it worries them at all.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Rick:
I don't agree with you! The engine oil is filtered and the engine cruising
at 4,000 rpm corresponds to about the equivalent of 5,000 miles in the car.
But we are flying in "clean" air and not doing stop and go. The PSRU oil, on
the other hand, is unfiltered and needs to be checked frequently to be sure
it is meticulously clean. If there are the minutest amounts of chips or
contamination, quit flying the airplane and send the PSRU back to NSI for
repair or replacement. If you don't, you are staring an imminent
catastrophic failure in the eye!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Peter I would reverse the time on oil vs redrive.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for
NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change
every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil
change time.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still
> running the second - and so far no cracks.
Mine is also from 93 and ... I still have the original! Ok, a few scratches, especially
near the glareshield, when people have put objects on it, but otherwise,
no crack due to bending of the Lexan, at all.
... Norwegian weather must be kind to Lexan! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot & self certified medicals |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
Paul S. has had some events occur near enough to him that makes the threat
seem real to him. I can see why.
But for a doctor to no be concerned about his epileptic friend driving sure
makes it sound like the doc is from another planet or something. This is NOT
the norm. Several years ago I had a heart arrhythmia problem which
occasionally made me "gray out" a little. Almost blacked out a couple times,
but never actually went out, just tunnel vision like pulling a lot of G's.
It was fixed permanently by a surgical procedure, so its no longer an issue-
and I didn't have a current 3rd class medical then anyway. But my family doc
was seriously threatening to pull my driver's license. Given that I NEVER
did black out- never would have been unable notice it coming on & be able to
pull over for a few minutes if necessary- he allowed me to keep it. I was
never driving in heavy traffic anyway, and never actually had to pull over.
But that was a call he was very willing to make. Had it been much worse it
would have been justified, and I would have voluntarily stopped driving
anyway.
It would be just plain stupid and functionally illegal to go flying when you
have the flu or a bad cold, right? Self certification does not permit
someone to go fly when he is not medically fit either. I have no problem
with self-certification whatsoever. With any idiot who might abuse it- THAT
is what I might have a problem with. I'm getting very weary of laws which
paint with such a broad brush that we no longer have much freedom left. The
answer is not stricter laws, it is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Charlie,
Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the bronze
gear without a visual on the gear.
Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual)
will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact
with the crankshaft gear.
I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with the
gear?
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "BROSCHART" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the
> 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Subaru Questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks Again Peter for your help,
I really like your plane and your website. Did all three of you guys on your
website build a Kitfox at the same time? Were the other two Kitfoxes Model
V's and did you all use the same power plant?
Have a Happy Thanksgiving,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Suburu Questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I have never used any fuel other than 100LL.
As I stated before, I think the EA81 engine is ready for a "top" overhaul
around 750 hrs. At that time you will find out whether there are cracks or
not. Of course it is always a good idea to check the engine oil for presence
of ethylene glycol, which, if positive, would suggest further investigation
(head gasket, cracked head??). Keep in mind that the engine turns 4000 rpm
at cruise. In a car that would correspond to about 100 mph (as it does in my
kitfox5). 750 hrs at 100 mph equals 75,000 miles driven at 100 mph. I think
under those conditions the heads ought to be looked at regardless whether
the engine is propelling a car or an airplane.
As regards the flywheel, I would suggest inspection with mirror and
flashlight every 10 hrs, if you still have the flywheel with lightning
holes. If it has been replace with the solid one, i.e. no lightning holes,
inspection at annual time should suffice.
Personally, I think the NSI Subaru in combination with their PSRU and CAP is
the smoothest running engine out there. If there is any noticeable
vibration, something needs to be adjusted!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Suburu Questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Peter and others,
Can I use 100LL aviation fuel in the NSI and do you only need to check for
cracks in the head when it's overhauled? Also, how often should the flywheel
be inspected and is it easy to access (I saw a picture of a cracked flywheel
on the web not to long ago? Is there much frame vibration from the engine
compared to any other foxes you have flown in (my 582 Rotax causes the
airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the
airframe.
Thanks,
Robert
KFII 582
-----Original Message-----
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| Subject: | Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Bob,
Thanks for monitoring the chats.
We are very fortunate to have your input.
Should I torque the 582 spark plugs with the CHT sensor unit the same as the
spark plugs with out the CHT sensor unit? Should I also remove the sparkplug
metal gasket on the sparkplugs with the CHT sensor?
In the owners manual there is a diagram that shows the CHT sensor unit with
a torque value of approximately 130 inch lbs but I'm not sure what they are
referring to. I called CPS and they said to torque all of sparkplugs to 240
inch lbs.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Charlie,
Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the bronze
gear without a visual on the gear.
Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual)
will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact
with the crankshaft gear.
I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with the
gear?
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "BROSCHART" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the
> 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Is yours the .090" or .118". I am about to install a new one and was
curious about the thickness of the one you have that lasted so long.
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Lexan
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> > Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still
> > running the second - and so far no cracks.
>
> Mine is also from 93 and ... I still have the original! Ok, a few
scratches, especially near the glareshield, when people have put objects on
it, but otherwise, no crack due to bending of the Lexan, at all.
>
> ... Norwegian weather must be kind to Lexan! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Debra and I would like to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving !!!
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
I'm using 0.090" (VNE 100 Mi) a model II.
Torgeir.
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:04:00 -0800, Jimmie Blackwell <jablackwell@ev1.net>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Is yours the .090" or .118". I am about to install a new one and was
> curious about the thickness of the one you have that lasted so long.
>
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Lexan
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>>
>> > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
>> > Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still
>> > running the second - and so far no cracks.
>>
>> Mine is also from 93 and ... I still have the original! Ok, a few
> scratches, especially near the glareshield, when people have put objects
> on
> it, but otherwise, no crack due to bending of the Lexan, at all.
>>
>> ... Norwegian weather must be kind to Lexan! :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Jimmie Blackwell [jablackwell@ev1.net]
> Is yours the .090" or .118"
Mine is the thin one, Jimmie. I haven't installed it myself and I don't know the
spec but it is certainly more 2 mm than 3 and therefore I believe it is the
thin one (0.09").
It is quite flexible if you press on the center. To start with, I was a bit worried,
wondering how it would hold at high speed. But my model 3 has 100 MPH as
Vne and that's slow anyway.
Of course, I am very careful that not one drop of fuel is coming on it and I apply
quite often Johnson's Pledge polish ... smells good too! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Will be in OK City... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday, December
1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday for
some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play tourguide
and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing
sites?
If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like to go
flying in one, I would be glad to take you along.
Cliff
Erie, CO
Model 5, O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Will be in OK City... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Henderson" <gjglh@cebridge.net>
Cliffird,
I live in Weatherford OK. fly out of F91 Thomas P. Stafford airport. We
have a great museum here I think you might enjoy on your trip. Would love
to see your model V. I have a model IV Speedster/912UL on the field. I'm
not well versed on local dirt strips but I have a buddy "sid Drake" that
might be able to help you. Sid is Building a beutiful Model IV speedster.
Sid has been flying kitfox from the kitfox begining. If time and my job
permits we would like to meet up with you.
Gary Henderson
Spdster912LS
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday,
> December
> 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday
> for
> some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play
> tourguide
> and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing
> sites?
> If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like to
> go
> flying in one, I would be glad to take you along.
> Cliff
> Erie, CO
> Model 5, O-235
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
Just to make sure everyone understood my position regarding Sport Pilot and
the medical issue...
I am a dedicated supporter of Sport Pilot. It's probably the best thing to
come our way in aviation in the last 50 years. And maybe the next 50 too?
I think it is GREAT that we will be able to fly our Kitfoxes even if we
think we can't pass a standard flight medical due to minor health issues
(that incidentally wouldn't keep us from driving our car).
I fly a Lake amphibian besides having enjoyed Kitfoxes and Avids since the
mid 80's. A Lake can be a very demanding aircraft to fly (about 5 times
harder than a Kitfox imho), so if there is an airplane that requires a lot
from a pilot physically and/or mentally, it would be a good example. Yet,
in my opinion the most important thing needed to operate the aircraft safely
is pilot proficiency and training. Of course being medically and physically
capable would would be part of what one needs to be proficient. And isn't
that what a bi-annual flight review is for? Shouldn't that be the time when
an instructor determines if you are fit to fly the airplane physically or
mentally? Wouldn't that be the time one should be told it might be time to
hang up the flying scarf ? (if you didn't already figure it out yourself)
I'm an advocate of less rules, along with less government. Sport Pilot and
it's semi-relaxed rules makes a lot more sense to me than most of our other
antiquated licensing requirements. With any luck it will prove to work
well, and might even set precedents for other areas of aviation. But only
time will tell. And we are all part of the experiment. So fly safe,
respect those on the ground as well as those in the air, and apply good
common sense when operating an aircraft while affected by any type of
medical deficiency. Temporary or permanent.
I think this time the FAA created an ingenius rule, as they really have left
it up to us to make it work. And all we have to do is prove we are all
responsible enough to handle it...
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> Paul S. has had some events occur near enough to him that makes the threat
> seem real to him. I can see why.
> But for a doctor to no be concerned about his epileptic friend driving
> sure
> makes it sound like the doc is from another planet or something. This is
> NOT
> the norm. Several years ago I had a heart arrhythmia problem which
> occasionally made me "gray out" a little. Almost blacked out a couple
> times,
> but never actually went out, just tunnel vision like pulling a lot of G's.
> It was fixed permanently by a surgical procedure, so its no longer an
> issue-
> and I didn't have a current 3rd class medical then anyway. But my family
> doc
> was seriously threatening to pull my driver's license. Given that I NEVER
> did black out- never would have been unable notice it coming on & be able
> to
> pull over for a few minutes if necessary- he allowed me to keep it. I was
> never driving in heavy traffic anyway, and never actually had to pull
> over.
> But that was a call he was very willing to make. Had it been much worse it
> would have been justified, and I would have voluntarily stopped driving
> anyway.
>
> It would be just plain stupid and functionally illegal to go flying when
> you
> have the flu or a bad cold, right? Self certification does not permit
> someone to go fly when he is not medically fit either. I have no problem
> with self-certification whatsoever. With any idiot who might abuse it-
> THAT
> is what I might have a problem with. I'm getting very weary of laws which
> paint with such a broad brush that we no longer have much freedom left.
> The
> answer is not stricter laws, it is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Will be in OK City... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Gary,
Is that an aviation museum?
I will be available to fly both mornings (late morning, after 10) and early
afternoon both days. F91 is only 53 nm from OKC, so that would be a quick
trip.
If you don't know of dirt strips or off airport landing spots, perhaps we
could just tour around and see the scenery.
Let me know if these times work for you.
Best Regards,
Cliff
>
>
> Cliffird,
> I live in Weatherford OK. fly out of F91 Thomas P. Stafford airport. We
> have a great museum here I think you might enjoy on your trip. Would love
> to see your model V. I have a model IV Speedster/912UL on the field. I'm
> not well versed on local dirt strips but I have a buddy "sid Drake" that
> might be able to help you. Sid is Building a beutiful Model IV speedster.
> Sid has been flying kitfox from the kitfox begining. If time and my job
> permits we would like to meet up with you.
>
> Gary Henderson
> Spdster912LS
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
>> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>>
>
>> I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday,
>> December
>> 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday
>> for
>> some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play
>> tourguide
>> and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing
>> sites?
>> If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like to
>> go
>> flying in one, I would be glad to take you along.
>> Cliff
>> Erie, CO
>> Model 5, O-235
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Will be in OK City... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Henderson" <gjglh@cebridge.net>
Clifford,
Our museum is an air and space museum. We have a full size replica of the
wright flyer, full scale spirit of st louis. Those are just two of the
many great exibits. I would put our museum up against nasa. General
Stafford has done great things for us here in Weatherford, his home town.
If you were to fly I-40 to oklahoma city you would fly over the field. I
will be working until 3:00 those days but my buddy Sid would love to show
you the sites if I can't make it. Sid is retired so his hours are
flexable. Pray for good weather.
Gary Henderson
580-774-0256 Home
580-774-9129 Cell
Sid Drake
580-772-5836
580-302-0754
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> Gary,
> Is that an aviation museum?
> I will be available to fly both mornings (late morning, after 10) and
> early
> afternoon both days. F91 is only 53 nm from OKC, so that would be a quick
> trip.
> If you don't know of dirt strips or off airport landing spots, perhaps we
> could just tour around and see the scenery.
> Let me know if these times work for you.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
>
>>
>>
>> Cliffird,
>> I live in Weatherford OK. fly out of F91 Thomas P. Stafford airport. We
>> have a great museum here I think you might enjoy on your trip. Would
>> love
>> to see your model V. I have a model IV Speedster/912UL on the field. I'm
>> not well versed on local dirt strips but I have a buddy "sid Drake" that
>> might be able to help you. Sid is Building a beutiful Model IV
>> speedster.
>> Sid has been flying kitfox from the kitfox begining. If time and my job
>> permits we would like to meet up with you.
>>
>> Gary Henderson
>> Spdster912LS
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
>>> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>>>
>>
>>> I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday,
>>> December
>>> 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday
>>> for
>>> some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play
>>> tourguide
>>> and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing
>>> sites?
>>> If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like
>>> to
>>> go
>>> flying in one, I would be glad to take you along.
>>> Cliff
>>> Erie, CO
>>> Model 5, O-235
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Maule SFSA Tailwheel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Download this document (in pdf format), a real good description of the
Maule tail wheel SFS A. Here's all the thing you'll like to know for the
maintenance etc. Go to page 17 (the last page) and you'll find the ideal
mounting angle.
BTW., this document is made by Drew Fidoe.
Thia is really great stuff. However Drew says that you can't buy a new fork
and that the Aircraft Spruce catalogue doesn't even mention it. Because of
this he has had to repair them. What's a pity is that in the catalogue
drawing the fork as it's called is labelled No 26 but underneath in the part
No's they miss printing No 26. However the part No's for both the SFSA and
the SFS-P8A forks are listed together with their prices. Unfortunately Drew
has seen No 26 not printed and so missed the part No's and pricing.
I think if anyone knows how to contact Drew and inform him of his mistake
he would greatly appreciate it as he would know then that he can replace
this part. Also he may be prepared to change the document on the internet
which would be helpfull to others reading it especially if they happened to
want to buy a fork.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | in (my 582 Rotax causes the |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
in (my 582 Rotax causes the
airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the
airframe.
My 582 used to be rough between 2 and 3,000 RPM. I changed from Resistor
caps and B8ES plugs to non resistor caps and BR8EIX plugs. It is now much
improved. Also solved the problem of a RPM drop between Mag 1 and 2 that I
often had at about 3,000.
The new pugs I noticed are being used in inverted 582 installations. The
code is "B" = 14mm thread dia. "R" is resistor type plug [ you don't seem
to be able to get non resistor in this type ] "8" is the heat range. "E"
is 3/4" reach. "I" is for Iridium. This is a very fine centre electrode made
out of Iridium to conduct the heat away fast enough and not burn away
either. "X" is for booster gap. This allows the voltage to build up higher
before firing and is ideal with CDI ignition.
"S" that is used in the original plug code is for standard 2.6mm centre
electrode.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Robert,
Well now.....CPS is correct that all spark plugs should be torqued to 240
in/lb. The sequence of events leading up to that 240 in/lb is what is
important.
First.... With the thin CHT probes we use there is no need to remove the
crushable washer on the sparkplug. The reason they were removed in tha past
is that the CHT sensors were quite thick and changed the length of the spark
plug extending inside the cylinder.
The new thin senders do not move the spark plug enough to be concerned
about. I always torque the plug down to 240 in/lb. WITHOUT anything but the
washer that comes with the plug first...then remove the spark plug, add the
sensor below the crushed washer and re-torque. Now.. we have to use some
common sense here.. If the sensor is no longer perfectly flat or perfectly
round we should not use it as an ovaled sensor will not seal (they must be
round). A new sensor mounted below a crushed washer on a spark plug shouldl
remain round and seal 100%.
Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have a
CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled
engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the
spark plug bases are and not much else. The coolant will dampen any changes
in temps quite well. The CHT gauges would only be of any use "if" the water
temp sensor failed. That's just a little person feeling there (smile)..
hope this helps
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
> Thanks for monitoring the chats.
> We are very fortunate to have your input.
>
> Should I torque the 582 spark plugs with the CHT sensor unit the same as
the
> spark plugs with out the CHT sensor unit? Should I also remove the
sparkplug
> metal gasket on the sparkplugs with the CHT sensor?
>
> In the owners manual there is a diagram that shows the CHT sensor unit
with
> a torque value of approximately 130 inch lbs but I'm not sure what they
are
> referring to. I called CPS and they said to torque all of sparkplugs to
240
> inch lbs.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>
> Hi Charlie,
> Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the
bronze
> gear without a visual on the gear.
> Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual)
> will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact
> with the crankshaft gear.
> I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with
the
> gear?
>
> regards
>
> Bob Robertson
> Light Engine Services Ltd.
> Rotax Service Center
> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BROSCHART" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
> To: "fox2" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
> >
> > is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the
> > 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft
> >
> > Have a good day - Charlie
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is |
self declared,
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is self declared,
maybe i should just self declare that i am OK ?
In Australia we only need to self declare we are fit to drive a motor
vehicle to get an Ultralight licence. However for different reasons I did an
Aviation Medical. However I won't need tis on renewal and will revert back
to the fit to drive a motor vehicle clause.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "chad lively" <chadl@compu.net>
Chris, I have a GSC 68" Contact me off line. Chad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Erickson" <umasha@msn.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris Erickson" <umasha@msn.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for a three bladed laminated edge 68 inch GSC Systems
Propeller for a Rotax 582 liquid cooled. I was wondering if anyone had one
that they wanted to sell?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Bob,,CHT sensors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/24/04 5:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
aerocontrols@clearwave.ca writes:
<< Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have
a
CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled
engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the
s >>
Bob,
Having always heard that, I have removed my CHT sensors from the plugs
(using the EIS) and plan to firmly attach and insulate them to each of the two
alum coolant tubes. Hopefully, I can see a decent input/output of the coolant
temps using the CHT system. Think this might show anything?
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
That's OK, That is why we have a list to compare opinions and even some rare
facts. Still think 25 Hrs is excessive for the redrive. NSI only recommends
at ever 100 hrs. If someone was that worried about failure, then a chip
light would be a more appropriate means to monitor the condition of the
fluids, that's not the main reason for changing the oils.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for
NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Rick:
I don't agree with you! The engine oil is filtered and the engine cruising
at 4,000 rpm corresponds to about the equivalent of 5,000 miles in the car.
But we are flying in "clean" air and not doing stop and go. The PSRU oil, on
the other hand, is unfiltered and needs to be checked frequently to be sure
it is meticulously clean. If there are the minutest amounts of chips or
contamination, quit flying the airplane and send the PSRU back to NSI for
repair or replacement. If you don't, you are staring an imminent
catastrophic failure in the eye!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Peter I would reverse the time on oil vs redrive.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for
NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Robert:
I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change
every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil
change time.
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| Subject: | Re: Bob,,CHT sensors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
Gee Don, that fertile mind of yours never rests! I've never had the urge to
tape my CHT sensors to the alum cooling system. I'm pertty sure no one else
has either (big smile here!). Kidding aside...if you clamp them on tight
against the alum tubes and keep them from the cool airstream I see no reason
they would not give you a reading.
If you are really bored, why not beg or borrow an infared thermometer* to read
the temps of the aluminum right next to the clamped on sensors. That should
keep you busy and out of everyones hair for an hour or so. heh heh...
If it works you will have a decent idea of the percentage of heat the radiator
removes from your coolant. A good piece of info would be to mount the sensors
at each side of the engine adjacent to the coolant intake (at the water pump)
and at the thermostat(coolant exit) to tell how much heat the engine adds to
the cooolant.
Have fun with your experiment....
Bob R
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/24/04 5:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> aerocontrols@clearwave.ca writes:
>
> << Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have
>
> a
> CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled
> engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the
> s >>
>
> Bob,
> Having always heard that, I have removed my CHT sensors from the plugs
> (using the EIS) and plan to firmly attach and insulate them to each of the
> two
> alum coolant tubes. Hopefully, I can see a decent input/output of the
> coolant
> temps using the CHT system. Think this might show anything?
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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