---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/24/04: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 AM - 582 timing (BROSCHART) 2. 04:49 AM - Re: If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full time. (Jose M. Toro) 3. 05:31 AM - Re: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI (Peter Graichen) 4. 08:41 AM - SV: Lexan (Michel Verheughe) 5. 08:44 AM - Sport Pilot & self certified medicals (Stu Bryant) 6. 08:51 AM - Re: 582 timing (Bob Robertson) 7. 08:51 AM - Re: Subaru Questions (Harris, Robert) 8. 09:29 AM - Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? (Harris, Robert) 9. 10:04 AM - Re: Lexan (Jimmie Blackwell) 10. 10:39 AM - Thanksgiving (jdmcbean) 11. 10:57 AM - Re: Lexan (Torgeir Mortensen) 12. 10:57 AM - SV: Lexan (Michel Verheughe) 13. 12:30 PM - Will be in OK City... (Clifford Begnaud) 14. 01:13 PM - Re: Will be in OK City... (Gary Henderson) 15. 01:13 PM - Re: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals () 16. 02:37 PM - Re: Will be in OK City... (Clifford Begnaud) 17. 04:35 PM - Re: Will be in OK City... (Gary Henderson) 18. 04:51 PM - Maule SFSA Tailwheel (Rex & Jan Shaw) 19. 05:10 PM - in (my 582 Rotax causes the (Rex & Jan Shaw) 20. 05:17 PM - Re: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? (Bob Robertson) 21. 05:17 PM - Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is self declared, (Rex & Jan Shaw) 22. 06:01 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (chad lively) 23. 06:02 PM - Bob,,CHT sensors (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 24. 06:20 PM - Re: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI (Rick) 25. 08:03 PM - Re: Bob,,CHT sensors (aerocon1@telusplanet.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:24 AM PST US From: BROSCHART Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft Have a good day - Charlie ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:06 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jV7Q5ZsrgivNoe9aLl8/LyMfiVmLsLr6K8Sdm7+BzHUBaexW/EYvfBgstiG9g65ASny03TmCb6qQpzaSNIgXyn4gGdTlTN8pdJDvzWpdIQjjWILR0KkW8+nL6j5fOIY/AJziClgllg0aOZoLMVVgoq5adHN4T8VSOJG/yrLVBJY= ; From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full time. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Rex: That is why I keep the electric pump. I know it does not create a new problem, at it may work if the mikuni fails. I hope I don't need find out. What can you tell about flying a Jabiru powered plane? I just placed the order for my Jabiru 2200. I did a lot of research, but have never seen one. Jose Rex & Jan Shaw wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" If the electric pump is parallel to the mikuni, you can keep it running full time. If you have a valve to close the fuel flow to the mikuni pump exclusively, upon occurrence of an engine failure, you can close that valve. The windmilling could restart the engine if the engine is able to clear the flood. This is subject to testing, but I won't be the volunteer... Thanks Jose, I appreciate you could keep the electric pump running. I guess that's a matter of personal choice. I've been taught to fly in a Jabiru and that has an electric backup pump. we use it on take- offs and landings in case we need to go around. Other than that it's for when the mechanical pump gives up. So if I fit one in my Fox I think I'd do the same. I'm not sure about volunteering to check if the engine would restart either. I think if one considers there is some risk in that then why do it. Not checking that out to me doesn't really detract from the value of having the system to give you that chance. rather than no options. I'm still learning in my Fox so I'm not going to try it at this point in time but would be quite happy to when I'm confident of handling a dead engine landing every time. As I said before I've played with Two Strokes a lot and I am confident of getting a restart so I guess that influences my thinking. However I don't encourage anyone else to try it if it worries them at all. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:22 AM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello Rick: I don't agree with you! The engine oil is filtered and the engine cruising at 4,000 rpm corresponds to about the equivalent of 5,000 miles in the car. But we are flying in "clean" air and not doing stop and go. The PSRU oil, on the other hand, is unfiltered and needs to be checked frequently to be sure it is meticulously clean. If there are the minutest amounts of chips or contamination, quit flying the airplane and send the PSRU back to NSI for repair or replacement. If you don't, you are staring an imminent catastrophic failure in the eye! Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Peter I would reverse the time on oil vs redrive. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello Robert: I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil change time. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:06 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Lexan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] > Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still > running the second - and so far no cracks. Mine is also from 93 and ... I still have the original! Ok, a few scratches, especially near the glareshield, when people have put objects on it, but otherwise, no crack due to bending of the Lexan, at all. ... Norwegian weather must be kind to Lexan! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:50 AM PST US From: "Stu Bryant" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" Paul S. has had some events occur near enough to him that makes the threat seem real to him. I can see why. But for a doctor to no be concerned about his epileptic friend driving sure makes it sound like the doc is from another planet or something. This is NOT the norm. Several years ago I had a heart arrhythmia problem which occasionally made me "gray out" a little. Almost blacked out a couple times, but never actually went out, just tunnel vision like pulling a lot of G's. It was fixed permanently by a surgical procedure, so its no longer an issue- and I didn't have a current 3rd class medical then anyway. But my family doc was seriously threatening to pull my driver's license. Given that I NEVER did black out- never would have been unable notice it coming on & be able to pull over for a few minutes if necessary- he allowed me to keep it. I was never driving in heavy traffic anyway, and never actually had to pull over. But that was a call he was very willing to make. Had it been much worse it would have been justified, and I would have voluntarily stopped driving anyway. It would be just plain stupid and functionally illegal to go flying when you have the flu or a bad cold, right? Self certification does not permit someone to go fly when he is not medically fit either. I have no problem with self-certification whatsoever. With any idiot who might abuse it- THAT is what I might have a problem with. I'm getting very weary of laws which paint with such a broad brush that we no longer have much freedom left. The answer is not stricter laws, it is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:06 AM PST US From: "Bob Robertson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 timing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" Hi Charlie, Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the bronze gear without a visual on the gear. Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual) will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact with the crankshaft gear. I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with the gear? regards Bob Robertson Light Engine Services Ltd. Rotax Service Center St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) www.rtx-av-engines.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "BROSCHART" Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART > > is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the > 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft > > Have a good day - Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:36 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru Questions --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Thanks Again Peter for your help, I really like your plane and your website. Did all three of you guys on your website build a Kitfox at the same time? Were the other two Kitfoxes Model V's and did you all use the same power plant? Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Suburu Questions --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello Robert: I have never used any fuel other than 100LL. As I stated before, I think the EA81 engine is ready for a "top" overhaul around 750 hrs. At that time you will find out whether there are cracks or not. Of course it is always a good idea to check the engine oil for presence of ethylene glycol, which, if positive, would suggest further investigation (head gasket, cracked head??). Keep in mind that the engine turns 4000 rpm at cruise. In a car that would correspond to about 100 mph (as it does in my kitfox5). 750 hrs at 100 mph equals 75,000 miles driven at 100 mph. I think under those conditions the heads ought to be looked at regardless whether the engine is propelling a car or an airplane. As regards the flywheel, I would suggest inspection with mirror and flashlight every 10 hrs, if you still have the flywheel with lightning holes. If it has been replace with the solid one, i.e. no lightning holes, inspection at annual time should suffice. Personally, I think the NSI Subaru in combination with their PSRU and CAP is the smoothest running engine out there. If there is any noticeable vibration, something needs to be adjusted! Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert Subject: Kitfox-List: Suburu Questions --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Peter and others, Can I use 100LL aviation fuel in the NSI and do you only need to check for cracks in the head when it's overhauled? Also, how often should the flywheel be inspected and is it easy to access (I saw a picture of a cracked flywheel on the web not to long ago? Is there much frame vibration from the engine compared to any other foxes you have flown in (my 582 Rotax causes the airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the airframe. Thanks, Robert KFII 582 -----Original Message----- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:35 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Hi Bob, Thanks for monitoring the chats. We are very fortunate to have your input. Should I torque the 582 spark plugs with the CHT sensor unit the same as the spark plugs with out the CHT sensor unit? Should I also remove the sparkplug metal gasket on the sparkplugs with the CHT sensor? In the owners manual there is a diagram that shows the CHT sensor unit with a torque value of approximately 130 inch lbs but I'm not sure what they are referring to. I called CPS and they said to torque all of sparkplugs to 240 inch lbs. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 timing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" Hi Charlie, Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the bronze gear without a visual on the gear. Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual) will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact with the crankshaft gear. I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with the gear? regards Bob Robertson Light Engine Services Ltd. Rotax Service Center St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) www.rtx-av-engines.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "BROSCHART" Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART > > is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the > 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft > > Have a good day - Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:20 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" Is yours the .090" or .118". I am about to install a new one and was curious about the thickness of the one you have that lasted so long. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Lexan > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] > > Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still > > running the second - and so far no cracks. > > Mine is also from 93 and ... I still have the original! Ok, a few scratches, especially near the glareshield, when people have put objects on it, but otherwise, no crack due to bending of the Lexan, at all. > > ... Norwegian weather must be kind to Lexan! :-) > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:28 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Thanksgiving --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Debra and I would like to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving !!! Blue Skies John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lexan From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen I'm using 0.090" (VNE 100 Mi) a model II. Torgeir. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:04:00 -0800, Jimmie Blackwell wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > > > Is yours the .090" or .118". I am about to install a new one and was > curious about the thickness of the one you have that lasted so long. > > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Verheughe" > To: > Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Lexan > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe >> >> > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] >> > Wow, my Fox was finished in 93, first windscreen changed in 98, still >> > running the second - and so far no cracks. >> >> Mine is also from 93 and ... I still have the original! Ok, a few > scratches, especially near the glareshield, when people have put objects > on > it, but otherwise, no crack due to bending of the Lexan, at all. >> >> ... Norwegian weather must be kind to Lexan! :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Michel >> >> do not archive >> >> > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:50 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Lexan --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Jimmie Blackwell [jablackwell@ev1.net] > Is yours the .090" or .118" Mine is the thin one, Jimmie. I haven't installed it myself and I don't know the spec but it is certainly more 2 mm than 3 and therefore I believe it is the thin one (0.09"). It is quite flexible if you press on the center. To start with, I was a bit worried, wondering how it would hold at high speed. But my model 3 has 100 MPH as Vne and that's slow anyway. Of course, I am very careful that not one drop of fuel is coming on it and I apply quite often Johnson's Pledge polish ... smells good too! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:18 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Kitfox-List: Will be in OK City... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday, December 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday for some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play tourguide and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing sites? If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like to go flying in one, I would be glad to take you along. Cliff Erie, CO Model 5, O-235 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Will be in OK City... From: "Gary Henderson" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Henderson" Cliffird, I live in Weatherford OK. fly out of F91 Thomas P. Stafford airport. We have a great museum here I think you might enjoy on your trip. Would love to see your model V. I have a model IV Speedster/912UL on the field. I'm not well versed on local dirt strips but I have a buddy "sid Drake" that might be able to help you. Sid is Building a beutiful Model IV speedster. Sid has been flying kitfox from the kitfox begining. If time and my job permits we would like to meet up with you. Gary Henderson Spdster912LS > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" > > > I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday, > December > 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday > for > some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play > tourguide > and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing > sites? > If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like to > go > flying in one, I would be glad to take you along. > Cliff > Erie, CO > Model 5, O-235 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:12 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Just to make sure everyone understood my position regarding Sport Pilot and the medical issue... I am a dedicated supporter of Sport Pilot. It's probably the best thing to come our way in aviation in the last 50 years. And maybe the next 50 too? I think it is GREAT that we will be able to fly our Kitfoxes even if we think we can't pass a standard flight medical due to minor health issues (that incidentally wouldn't keep us from driving our car). I fly a Lake amphibian besides having enjoyed Kitfoxes and Avids since the mid 80's. A Lake can be a very demanding aircraft to fly (about 5 times harder than a Kitfox imho), so if there is an airplane that requires a lot from a pilot physically and/or mentally, it would be a good example. Yet, in my opinion the most important thing needed to operate the aircraft safely is pilot proficiency and training. Of course being medically and physically capable would would be part of what one needs to be proficient. And isn't that what a bi-annual flight review is for? Shouldn't that be the time when an instructor determines if you are fit to fly the airplane physically or mentally? Wouldn't that be the time one should be told it might be time to hang up the flying scarf ? (if you didn't already figure it out yourself) I'm an advocate of less rules, along with less government. Sport Pilot and it's semi-relaxed rules makes a lot more sense to me than most of our other antiquated licensing requirements. With any luck it will prove to work well, and might even set precedents for other areas of aviation. But only time will tell. And we are all part of the experiment. So fly safe, respect those on the ground as well as those in the air, and apply good common sense when operating an aircraft while affected by any type of medical deficiency. Temporary or permanent. I think this time the FAA created an ingenius rule, as they really have left it up to us to make it work. And all we have to do is prove we are all responsible enough to handle it... Paul Seehafer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stu Bryant" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot & self certified medicals > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" > > > Paul S. has had some events occur near enough to him that makes the threat > seem real to him. I can see why. > But for a doctor to no be concerned about his epileptic friend driving > sure > makes it sound like the doc is from another planet or something. This is > NOT > the norm. Several years ago I had a heart arrhythmia problem which > occasionally made me "gray out" a little. Almost blacked out a couple > times, > but never actually went out, just tunnel vision like pulling a lot of G's. > It was fixed permanently by a surgical procedure, so its no longer an > issue- > and I didn't have a current 3rd class medical then anyway. But my family > doc > was seriously threatening to pull my driver's license. Given that I NEVER > did black out- never would have been unable notice it coming on & be able > to > pull over for a few minutes if necessary- he allowed me to keep it. I was > never driving in heavy traffic anyway, and never actually had to pull > over. > But that was a call he was very willing to make. Had it been much worse it > would have been justified, and I would have voluntarily stopped driving > anyway. > > It would be just plain stupid and functionally illegal to go flying when > you > have the flu or a bad cold, right? Self certification does not permit > someone to go fly when he is not medically fit either. I have no problem > with self-certification whatsoever. With any idiot who might abuse it- > THAT > is what I might have a problem with. I'm getting very weary of laws which > paint with such a broad brush that we no longer have much freedom left. > The > answer is not stricter laws, it is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:42 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Will be in OK City... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" Gary, Is that an aviation museum? I will be available to fly both mornings (late morning, after 10) and early afternoon both days. F91 is only 53 nm from OKC, so that would be a quick trip. If you don't know of dirt strips or off airport landing spots, perhaps we could just tour around and see the scenery. Let me know if these times work for you. Best Regards, Cliff > > > Cliffird, > I live in Weatherford OK. fly out of F91 Thomas P. Stafford airport. We > have a great museum here I think you might enjoy on your trip. Would love > to see your model V. I have a model IV Speedster/912UL on the field. I'm > not well versed on local dirt strips but I have a buddy "sid Drake" that > might be able to help you. Sid is Building a beutiful Model IV speedster. > Sid has been flying kitfox from the kitfox begining. If time and my job > permits we would like to meet up with you. > > Gary Henderson > Spdster912LS > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" >> >> > >> I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday, >> December >> 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday >> for >> some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play >> tourguide >> and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing >> sites? >> If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like to >> go >> flying in one, I would be glad to take you along. >> Cliff >> Erie, CO >> Model 5, O-235 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Will be in OK City... From: "Gary Henderson" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Henderson" Clifford, Our museum is an air and space museum. We have a full size replica of the wright flyer, full scale spirit of st louis. Those are just two of the many great exibits. I would put our museum up against nasa. General Stafford has done great things for us here in Weatherford, his home town. If you were to fly I-40 to oklahoma city you would fly over the field. I will be working until 3:00 those days but my buddy Sid would love to show you the sites if I can't make it. Sid is retired so his hours are flexable. Pray for good weather. Gary Henderson 580-774-0256 Home 580-774-9129 Cell Sid Drake 580-772-5836 580-302-0754 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" > > > > Gary, > Is that an aviation museum? > I will be available to fly both mornings (late morning, after 10) and > early > afternoon both days. F91 is only 53 nm from OKC, so that would be a quick > trip. > If you don't know of dirt strips or off airport landing spots, perhaps we > could just tour around and see the scenery. > Let me know if these times work for you. > Best Regards, > Cliff > >> >> >> Cliffird, >> I live in Weatherford OK. fly out of F91 Thomas P. Stafford airport. We >> have a great museum here I think you might enjoy on your trip. Would >> love >> to see your model V. I have a model IV Speedster/912UL on the field. I'm >> not well versed on local dirt strips but I have a buddy "sid Drake" that >> might be able to help you. Sid is Building a beutiful Model IV >> speedster. >> Sid has been flying kitfox from the kitfox begining. If time and my job >> permits we would like to meet up with you. >> >> Gary Henderson >> Spdster912LS >> >> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" >>> >>> >> >>> I may be flying our Model 5 kitfox to Oklahoma City next Wednesday, >>> December >>> 1 (weather permitting) and will have some free time Thursday and Friday >>> for >>> some local flying. Anyone there with a flying kitfox care to play >>> tourguide >>> and lead me around to some local dirt strips and/or off airport landing >>> sites? >>> If there's anyone in the area that is building a kitfox and would like >>> to >>> go >>> flying in one, I would be glad to take you along. >>> Cliff >>> Erie, CO >>> Model 5, O-235 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:42 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Maule SFSA Tailwheel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Download this document (in pdf format), a real good description of the Maule tail wheel SFS A. Here's all the thing you'll like to know for the maintenance etc. Go to page 17 (the last page) and you'll find the ideal mounting angle. BTW., this document is made by Drew Fidoe. Thia is really great stuff. However Drew says that you can't buy a new fork and that the Aircraft Spruce catalogue doesn't even mention it. Because of this he has had to repair them. What's a pity is that in the catalogue drawing the fork as it's called is labelled No 26 but underneath in the part No's they miss printing No 26. However the part No's for both the SFSA and the SFS-P8A forks are listed together with their prices. Unfortunately Drew has seen No 26 not printed and so missed the part No's and pricing. I think if anyone knows how to contact Drew and inform him of his mistake he would greatly appreciate it as he would know then that he can replace this part. Also he may be prepared to change the document on the internet which would be helpfull to others reading it especially if they happened to want to buy a fork. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:52 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: in (my 582 Rotax causes the --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" in (my 582 Rotax causes the airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the airframe. My 582 used to be rough between 2 and 3,000 RPM. I changed from Resistor caps and B8ES plugs to non resistor caps and BR8EIX plugs. It is now much improved. Also solved the problem of a RPM drop between Mag 1 and 2 that I often had at about 3,000. The new pugs I noticed are being used in inverted 582 installations. The code is "B" = 14mm thread dia. "R" is resistor type plug [ you don't seem to be able to get non resistor in this type ] "8" is the heat range. "E" is 3/4" reach. "I" is for Iridium. This is a very fine centre electrode made out of Iridium to conduct the heat away fast enough and not burn away either. "X" is for booster gap. This allows the voltage to build up higher before firing and is ideal with CDI ignition. "S" that is used in the original plug code is for standard 2.6mm centre electrode. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:01 PM PST US From: "Bob Robertson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" Hi Robert, Well now.....CPS is correct that all spark plugs should be torqued to 240 in/lb. The sequence of events leading up to that 240 in/lb is what is important. First.... With the thin CHT probes we use there is no need to remove the crushable washer on the sparkplug. The reason they were removed in tha past is that the CHT sensors were quite thick and changed the length of the spark plug extending inside the cylinder. The new thin senders do not move the spark plug enough to be concerned about. I always torque the plug down to 240 in/lb. WITHOUT anything but the washer that comes with the plug first...then remove the spark plug, add the sensor below the crushed washer and re-torque. Now.. we have to use some common sense here.. If the sensor is no longer perfectly flat or perfectly round we should not use it as an ovaled sensor will not seal (they must be round). A new sensor mounted below a crushed washer on a spark plug shouldl remain round and seal 100%. Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have a CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the spark plug bases are and not much else. The coolant will dampen any changes in temps quite well. The CHT gauges would only be of any use "if" the water temp sensor failed. That's just a little person feeling there (smile).. hope this helps Bob Robertson Light Engine Services Ltd. Rotax Service Center St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) www.rtx-av-engines.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > Hi Bob, > Thanks for monitoring the chats. > We are very fortunate to have your input. > > Should I torque the 582 spark plugs with the CHT sensor unit the same as the > spark plugs with out the CHT sensor unit? Should I also remove the sparkplug > metal gasket on the sparkplugs with the CHT sensor? > > In the owners manual there is a diagram that shows the CHT sensor unit with > a torque value of approximately 130 inch lbs but I'm not sure what they are > referring to. I called CPS and they said to torque all of sparkplugs to 240 > inch lbs. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 timing > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" > > > Hi Charlie, > Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the bronze > gear without a visual on the gear. > Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual) > will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact > with the crankshaft gear. > I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with the > gear? > > regards > > Bob Robertson > Light Engine Services Ltd. > Rotax Service Center > St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 > Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 > Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) > www.rtx-av-engines.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BROSCHART" > To: "fox2" > Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART > > > > is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the > > 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft > > > > Have a good day - Charlie > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:24 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is self declared, --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Now in Canada I thin the UL guys have a license that is self declared, maybe i should just self declare that i am OK ? In Australia we only need to self declare we are fit to drive a motor vehicle to get an Ultralight licence. However for different reasons I did an Aviation Medical. However I won't need tis on renewal and will revert back to the fit to drive a motor vehicle clause. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:57 PM PST US From: "chad lively" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "chad lively" Chris, I have a GSC 68" Contact me off line. Chad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Erickson" Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chris Erickson" > > Hello, > > I'm looking for a three bladed laminated edge 68 inch GSC Systems Propeller for a Rotax 582 liquid cooled. I was wondering if anyone had one that they wanted to sell? > > Thanks, > Chris > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:05 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Bob,,CHT sensors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 11/24/04 5:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, aerocontrols@clearwave.ca writes: << Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have a CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the s >> Bob, Having always heard that, I have removed my CHT sensors from the plugs (using the EIS) and plan to firmly attach and insulate them to each of the two alum coolant tubes. Hopefully, I can see a decent input/output of the coolant temps using the CHT system. Think this might show anything? Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:01 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" That's OK, That is why we have a list to compare opinions and even some rare facts. Still think 25 Hrs is excessive for the redrive. NSI only recommends at ever 100 hrs. If someone was that worried about failure, then a chip light would be a more appropriate means to monitor the condition of the fluids, that's not the main reason for changing the oils. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello Rick: I don't agree with you! The engine oil is filtered and the engine cruising at 4,000 rpm corresponds to about the equivalent of 5,000 miles in the car. But we are flying in "clean" air and not doing stop and go. The PSRU oil, on the other hand, is unfiltered and needs to be checked frequently to be sure it is meticulously clean. If there are the minutest amounts of chips or contamination, quit flying the airplane and send the PSRU back to NSI for repair or replacement. If you don't, you are staring an imminent catastrophic failure in the eye! Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Peter I would reverse the time on oil vs redrive. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: What's the typiecal maintenance schedule for NSI --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Hello Robert: I do oil change in the PSRU every 25 hrs, and engine oil and filter change every 50 hrs. I check and adjust if necessary the valves at engine oil change time. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:56 PM PST US From: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bob,,CHT sensors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Gee Don, that fertile mind of yours never rests! I've never had the urge to tape my CHT sensors to the alum cooling system. I'm pertty sure no one else has either (big smile here!). Kidding aside...if you clamp them on tight against the alum tubes and keep them from the cool airstream I see no reason they would not give you a reading. If you are really bored, why not beg or borrow an infared thermometer* to read the temps of the aluminum right next to the clamped on sensors. That should keep you busy and out of everyones hair for an hour or so. heh heh... If it works you will have a decent idea of the percentage of heat the radiator removes from your coolant. A good piece of info would be to mount the sensors at each side of the engine adjacent to the coolant intake (at the water pump) and at the thermostat(coolant exit) to tell how much heat the engine adds to the cooolant. Have fun with your experiment.... Bob R > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/24/04 5:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, > aerocontrols@clearwave.ca writes: > > << Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have > > a > CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled > engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the > s >> > > Bob, > Having always heard that, I have removed my CHT sensors from the plugs > (using the EIS) and plan to firmly attach and insulate them to each of the > two > alum coolant tubes. Hopefully, I can see a decent input/output of the > coolant > temps using the CHT system. Think this might show anything? > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > > > > > >