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1. 04:16 AM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (dave)
2. 04:19 AM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems Re: Sport Pilot (dave)
3. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but others understand what is an acceptable risk. (dave)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: Maximum RPM (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Maximum RPM (dave)
6. 06:43 AM - Flying a Speedster (Jimmie Blackwell)
7. 07:21 AM - Re: Nose job (Steve Zakreski)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (Steve Zakreski)
9. 09:00 AM - Re: Vortex Generators. - Kurt (customtrans@qwest.net)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (dave)
11. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but others understand what is an acceptable risk. (customtrans@qwest.net)
12. 09:10 AM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (customtrans@qwest.net)
13. 09:21 AM - Re: Flying a Speedster (customtrans@qwest.net)
14. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but others understand what is an acceptable risk. (dave)
15. 09:28 AM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (dave)
16. 09:31 AM - Re: Flying a Speedster (dave)
17. 09:32 AM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (Jimmie Blackwell)
18. 09:38 AM - Westberg Instruments (Jimmie Blackwell)
19. 10:04 AM - Re: Nose job (Michel Verheughe)
20. 10:06 AM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (Jimmie Blackwell)
21. 10:09 AM - Re: Flying a Speedster (Jimmie Blackwell)
22. 10:10 AM - Re: Flying a Speedster (Michel Verheughe)
23. 10:43 AM - Re: Flying a Speedster (Michel Verheughe)
24. 11:29 AM - The Wright Way (Lowell) (Jose M. Toro)
25. 11:40 AM - Re: Flying a Speedster (Jose M. Toro)
26. 12:05 PM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (dave)
27. 01:04 PM - Re: kitfox parts (William J. Applegate)
28. 02:14 PM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
29. 02:34 PM - Instruments. WAS: Flying a Speedster (Michel Verheughe)
30. 02:45 PM - Re: Instruments. WAS: Flying a Speedster (Jose M. Toro)
31. 02:52 PM - Re: Nose job (Jose M. Toro)
32. 03:21 PM - Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV (customtrans@qwest.net)
33. 03:24 PM - Re: Flying a Speedster (customtrans@qwest.net)
34. 04:02 PM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems - (Jerry Liles)
35. 04:17 PM - Re: Flying a Speedster (Lowell Fitt)
36. 04:27 PM - let me know what you think of my drawing (Rex & Jan Shaw)
37. 04:35 PM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (Lowell Fitt)
38. 05:24 PM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (william mills)
39. 05:31 PM - Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (Don Pearsall)
40. 05:44 PM - Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems (Graeme Toft)
41. 05:45 PM - repost -- on topic Real flying stuff (dave)
42. 06:47 PM - Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (Jimmie Blackwell)
43. 07:29 PM - Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 ()
44. 08:40 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 (Clem Nichols)
45. 09:21 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 (kurt schrader)
46. 10:21 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 (jdmcbean)
47. 10:24 PM - Re: Nose job (kurt schrader)
48. 11:01 PM - Re: Vortex Generators. - Kurt (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Very simple,
US gov banned Canadain beef as a political maneuver possibly cause Canada
did not support Bush in his quagmire of oil in IRAQ.
The place with WMD and so on. Bush comes to Canada this week and will
most likey see some protests.
Makes you wonder If Ukraine had Oil if Bush would be headed ther next?
Besides he does have experience in how to sway the votes . <chuckle>
Hope that answers your question Lowell.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>
> >
> > Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
> >
> > Dave
>
> Dave, be so kind as to explain what the prevoious sentence means. From
the
> tone, I suspect you are not a great friend of the US.
>
> Lowell
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
<MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > >
> > > Dave sez:
> > >
> > > >geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a
757
> > has
> > > >his medical?
> > > >
> > > >If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him
that
> > > >passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
> > >
> > > In the grand scheme of things, pilot medical problems cause less than
> > > 1/10th of 1 percent of all airplane accidents. One could argue
> > > that's because the FAA and the authorities in other countries do such
> > > a good job with screening out those that are not healthy enough to
> > > fly safely, but it isn't hard to find a lot of aviation medical
> > > examiners who feel the rules are way behind the times in terms of
> > > what are and what are not troublesome medical conditions for pilots.
> > > It might just be that people without a history of debilitating
> > > medical conditions seldom develop one in flight.
> > >
> > > It could also be argued that a lot of dangerous medical conditions
> > > have plenty of time to crop up between physicals, hence the
> > > requirement on pilots to assess their own airworthiness prior to each
> > > flight. Having a valid medical certificate does not mean you are fit
> > > to fly.
> > >
> > > Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
> > > sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others. Recall
> > > that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
> > > someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.
> > >
> > > Time will tell if this position is justified.
> > >
> > > Mike G.
> > > N728KF
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems Re: Kitfox-List: |
Sport Pilot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Well put, I agree that the regulations as extreme in the medical fitness
for pilots. But by the same token there are many that will take advantage of
this situation and fly in a poor medical condition.
I have no problem getting my medicals, hardest part to swallow is that you
are doing for some unionized govermment clerk to keep a job basically.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems Re: Kitfox-List:
Sport Pilot
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I just got my medical in October. Also got one in October of 2002. What
> this means in the real world that in the last two years, I have been
> certified good to fly during all of two days.
>
> Some days I don't feel like flying, yet I am legal to go because of the
> paper in my pocket. Which airline had a pilot collapse in the cockpit
> recently with a military pilot slipping into the first officer's seat. I
> bet the disabled pilot was certified legal to fly even after being on the
> floor receiving medical assistance. I am also sure, however, that the FAA
> pulled the pilots medical shortly after that.
>
> What I mean to say - and this is not original with me - is that we all
> certify ourselves from day to day as we determine if we feel capable of
> piloting our airplanes. This is the whole idea of the Sport Pilot medical
> rule. I believe the FAA has determined that we are all a pretty careful
and
> responsible group of citizens. If you feel medically unfit - stay home
and
> watch a little TV with that precious piece of paper safely in you pocket.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems Re: Kitfox-List:
Sport
> Pilot
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dave
> > To: Ron Lee
> > Subject: Re: Sport Pilot
> >
> >
> > geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a 757
> has
> > his medical?
> >
> > If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him that
> > passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
> >
> >
> > May luck be with you.
> >
> >
> > :)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron Lee
> > To: dave@cfisher.com
> > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: Sport Pilot
> >
> >
> > You will change your mind if you think you may not pass your medical,
> even
> > though you are not a danger while flying or driving.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> > >
> > > why would you want de- value your plane?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> > <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Once it is certified, it can't be derated.
> > > >
> > > > LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted
> by:
> > > LeRoy staley
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know if we are able to derate an airplanes
> > > > gross weight? I have a Kitfox 5 that is presently
> > > > rated at 1500 gross.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > http://my.yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> > > > Kitfox II/582
> > > > "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but |
others understand what is an acceptable risk.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Kirk,
< If you want to be a safe pilot, remember to
> never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and your
> ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.>
What about stalls and spins? Do your reguations make pilots be proficient
in stalls ?
stall on TO ?
spins ?
spirals?
surely this is a large percentage of accidental data as well.
I await to hear some opposed to stal and spin training cause it not gonna
happen to them.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but
others understand what is an acceptable risk.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> We self certify ourselfs to drive every day then why not to fly.
> My 4200 pound Chevy (95 Impalla SS with 350HP) would do alot more dammage
> (and go faster) then my 1200 pound, 100HP Kitfox Classic VI. By the way
the
> accident rates for medical reasons is so small even with high performance,
> complex, and IFR included that it is hard to calculate a usualable rate
> from year to year. As for no medicals for commercial pilots, lets be real
> hear. we are not talking about 100,000 pound 500 mph complex aircraft
> here.This rule has defined limits on the performance of the aircraft for a
> reason. I am much more conserned about that careless pilot that takes off
> into IMC without filing a flight plan than I am about a sport pilot with
no
> medical. As an aviation safety professional I hope this new rule will get
> some of our older pilots back into the air as their experance can help
> others make better decissions when in the air. They did not get to be
older
> pilots by being a bad pilots. If you want to be a safe pilot, remember
to
> never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and your
> ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<< So what I'm trying to suggest is we should set up our pitch to pull 6,800
S&L. Not overpitch to hold it to a lower figure. We might think we are>>
That's the way I do it. I will hold full throttle just long enough to get a
coordinated straight and level flight. Look for 6800 and then back off slowly.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I have seen 582 pitched into the 20s they end up 95 mph at 4800 rpm
they will tell you it turing less RPM but they fail to tell you that it is
wide open to keep that speed.
I bet fuel flo a little higher in that case than with 5800 to 6000 rpm at 95
mph with a properly pitched prop.
Higher rpms in this case and the engine is under less load with alot less
throttle.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maximum RPM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> << So what I'm trying to suggest is we should set up our pitch to pull
6,800
> S&L. Not overpitch to hold it to a lower figure. We might think we are>>
>
> That's the way I do it. I will hold full throttle just long enough to get
a
> coordinated straight and level flight. Look for 6800 and then back off
slowly.
>
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Yesterday I had a thrill better than my first solo 15 years ago. I flew my Speedster
alone for the first time. What a kick. After going through the process
of learning to fly the Kitfox, I would encourage anyone that has not flown a
Kitfox to get an instructor that has flown a Kitfox before trying it alone.
I am not a tail wheel expert, but I found the Kitfox much different than the J3
that I flew to get a tail wheel endorsement.
I really appreciate the help and encouragement from everyone on the list.
Now it is on to fine tuning the airplane and having some flying fun along the way.
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Michel
Wow...I'm impressed with you drawing skills first of all. Is it done with a
computer?
I like how it looks. No, it's not quite a Kitfox any more, it is something
unique.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nose job
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I don't know ... I have to do something with my cowling to match the Jabiru.
But I am not sure what to do. The Jabiru should have a smooth cowling like
the
Skyfox. But then, I'd need to make a new firewall, glareshield, panel ...
and
probably a new windshield.
Keeping the round cowling and making it longer and wider seems a bit stupid
too, it no longer can resemble a rotary engine.
But the profile of the Jabiru, with the air duct holes just above the prop
shaft and on the top of the cowling, requires a lower top. Hence the
difficulty
to match the Skyfox cowling.
Before I mould anything, I try to visualize with drawings. Please have a
look at:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
and let me know what you think of my drawing. Would you be ashamed to fly
something like that? The advantage is that it keeps the "high profile nose"
of
the round cowling, yet let the air flows nicely and reduce frontal drag. The
lower part of the cowling would then be more or less like all the air-cooled
ones, sloping up gently.
Your aesthetic opinion would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Dave
Lets talk about airplanes here. I'm Canadian, and most certainly don't
agree with your comments, but this isn't the place for this kind of
discussion. That way we can all have different opinions and still get
along.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Very simple,
US gov banned Canadain beef as a political maneuver possibly cause Canada
did not support Bush in his quagmire of oil in IRAQ.
The place with WMD and so on. Bush comes to Canada this week and will
most likey see some protests.
Makes you wonder If Ukraine had Oil if Bush would be headed ther next?
Besides he does have experience in how to sway the votes . <chuckle>
Hope that answers your question Lowell.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>
> >
> > Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
> >
> > Dave
>
> Dave, be so kind as to explain what the prevoious sentence means. From
the
> tone, I suspect you are not a great friend of the US.
>
> Lowell
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
<MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > >
> > > Dave sez:
> > >
> > > >geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a
757
> > has
> > > >his medical?
> > > >
> > > >If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him
that
> > > >passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
> > >
> > > In the grand scheme of things, pilot medical problems cause less than
> > > 1/10th of 1 percent of all airplane accidents. One could argue
> > > that's because the FAA and the authorities in other countries do such
> > > a good job with screening out those that are not healthy enough to
> > > fly safely, but it isn't hard to find a lot of aviation medical
> > > examiners who feel the rules are way behind the times in terms of
> > > what are and what are not troublesome medical conditions for pilots.
> > > It might just be that people without a history of debilitating
> > > medical conditions seldom develop one in flight.
> > >
> > > It could also be argued that a lot of dangerous medical conditions
> > > have plenty of time to crop up between physicals, hence the
> > > requirement on pilots to assess their own airworthiness prior to each
> > > flight. Having a valid medical certificate does not mean you are fit
> > > to fly.
> > >
> > > Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
> > > sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others. Recall
> > > that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
> > > someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.
> > >
> > > Time will tell if this position is justified.
> > >
> > > Mike G.
> > > N728KF
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators. - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
This all sounds very interesting. I went to the web site and was a little
puzzled as to why the author didn't do a high speed stall, he claims he
doesn't know aerobatics. Now correct me, doesn't the high speed stall come
with training for a pilot license(mine did). You can correct me again by
saying maybe you don't need a pilot license with this aircraft. If so,
maybe this guy should be careful. With all that he is doing with testing,
he should seek out more training? just an observation, not trying to
criticize.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators. - Kurt
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt,
I value your testing of vortex generators. I was disappointed with the
results you got in your recent tests. (But not your tests!)
Here is a website that falls out of the Kolb list that Torgeir alerted us
to. http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html
At this web site they show a lot of closely spaced VG's. I believe this is
more and more closely than what you tested. I don't know what the cord of
the Kolb wing is, but it seems that they are placed further back than what
is usually suggested.
I am just selfishly trying to goad you into doing more tests.
(and reporting the results. (;-) )
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Steve,
In all due repect the talk was about airplanes.
Lowell asked me about a part of a message meant and I told him my thoughts.
One of our great attributes in our Canadian society is freedom of speach.
Some like it - some do not.
Kind Regards,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Dave
>
> Lets talk about airplanes here. I'm Canadian, and most certainly don't
> agree with your comments, but this isn't the place for this kind of
> discussion. That way we can all have different opinions and still get
> along.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Very simple,
>
> US gov banned Canadain beef as a political maneuver possibly cause Canada
> did not support Bush in his quagmire of oil in IRAQ.
> The place with WMD and so on. Bush comes to Canada this week and will
> most likey see some protests.
>
> Makes you wonder If Ukraine had Oil if Bush would be headed ther next?
> Besides he does have experience in how to sway the votes . <chuckle>
>
>
> Hope that answers your question Lowell.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
> > >
> > > Dave
> >
> > Dave, be so kind as to explain what the prevoious sentence means. From
> the
> > tone, I suspect you are not a great friend of the US.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > > >
> > > > Dave sez:
> > > >
> > > > >geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a
> 757
> > > has
> > > > >his medical?
> > > > >
> > > > >If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him
> that
> > > > >passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
> > > >
> > > > In the grand scheme of things, pilot medical problems cause less
than
> > > > 1/10th of 1 percent of all airplane accidents. One could argue
> > > > that's because the FAA and the authorities in other countries do
such
> > > > a good job with screening out those that are not healthy enough to
> > > > fly safely, but it isn't hard to find a lot of aviation medical
> > > > examiners who feel the rules are way behind the times in terms of
> > > > what are and what are not troublesome medical conditions for pilots.
> > > > It might just be that people without a history of debilitating
> > > > medical conditions seldom develop one in flight.
> > > >
> > > > It could also be argued that a lot of dangerous medical conditions
> > > > have plenty of time to crop up between physicals, hence the
> > > > requirement on pilots to assess their own airworthiness prior to
each
> > > > flight. Having a valid medical certificate does not mean you are
fit
> > > > to fly.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
> > > > sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others.
Recall
> > > > that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
> > > > someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.
> > > >
> > > > Time will tell if this position is justified.
> > > >
> > > > Mike G.
> > > > N728KF
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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others understand what is an acceptable risk.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
The one single thing that has frustrated me the most on any pilot is the
inability to use the radio and standard procedures. Nothing more
frustrating than to go into an airport that is unattented(tower) and have an
airplane just pop out of nowhere and go right in front of you for landing.
Sorry, most of those have been older pilots in my case. Seems they want the
freedom of doing whatever they want.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
but others understand what is an acceptable risk.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
We self certify ourselfs to drive every day then why not to fly.
My 4200 pound Chevy (95 Impalla SS with 350HP) would do alot more dammage
(and go faster) then my 1200 pound, 100HP Kitfox Classic VI. By the way the
accident rates for medical reasons is so small even with high performance,
complex, and IFR included that it is hard to calculate a usualable rate
from year to year. As for no medicals for commercial pilots, lets be real
hear. we are not talking about 100,000 pound 500 mph complex aircraft
here.This rule has defined limits on the performance of the aircraft for a
reason. I am much more conserned about that careless pilot that takes off
into IMC without filing a flight plan than I am about a sport pilot with no
medical. As an aviation safety professional I hope this new rule will get
some of our older pilots back into the air as their experance can help
others make better decissions when in the air. They did not get to be older
pilots by being a bad pilots. If you want to be a safe pilot, remember to
never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and your
ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.
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| Subject: | Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Another note on using the cherry picker, have the wings folded back as to
take the weight from the front and move it to the rear. The saw horse is a
good idea, I used the cherry picker and liked how I could raise and lower
the plane on the landing gear. Also with mine, I put the wheels on before
installing the gear to the fuse.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jimmy, I think there might be an easier way. Make a short "sawhorse" like
stand, maybe three inches taller than the fittings at the lift strut
attachments. Lift the tail and have someone put the sawhorse under the
fittings then tie a weight to the tail to hold it down. This will lift the
forward fuselage and should give plenty of support and you won't have to
worry about it falling or breaking anything.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Received my Grove main gear a few days ago and am making plans to install
it in the next few days. I am leaning toward renting an engine hoist or
cherry picker and lifting the front of the airplane by attaching rope to the
points on the fuselage where the engine mounts connect and to the engine
mount where the engine attaches. Someone please tell me if there are any
precautions I need to consider such as putting to much stress on my attach
points or if I need to consider other lift points.
>
> Thanks
> Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Yup, you are right. The kitfox is a unique aircraft. I started flying the
kitfox after 50 hours of flying. I put my instructor through some grueling
things, including a solo with a student license. I remember that first
time, I was wanting to do my first solo, nobody around and I had
instructions to not go over 3knots cross. I called my instructor and said
it's 7. All I got out him was, how do you feel? How do I feel? I'm sitting
at the end of the runway and want to go fly, I feel great! He said go for
it. Heart a pounding and anticipation really high I went for it. What a
thrill.
Now I have over 200hrs on the plane and am doing major repairs. I'm
installing the Grove gear, changing the wings to speedster wings, installing
elevator trim, installing the IVO prop, installing 13gal. tank in the left
wing, recovering the entire plane. Now if this isn't gonna be exciting,
can't wait. I'm sure the first time up will be heart pounding.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying a Speedster
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Yesterday I had a thrill better than my first solo 15 years ago. I flew my
Speedster alone for the first time. What a kick. After going through the
process of learning to fly the Kitfox, I would encourage anyone that has not
flown a Kitfox to get an instructor that has flown a Kitfox before trying it
alone. I am not a tail wheel expert, but I found the Kitfox much different
than the J3 that I flew to get a tail wheel endorsement.
I really appreciate the help and encouragement from everyone on the list.
Now it is on to fine tuning the airplane and having some flying fun along
the way.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but |
others understand what is an acceptable risk.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I hear you there, some have no respect for others it seems.
But if the airport is uncontrolled you should always expect NORDO in the
area.
at worst you could get a guy calling out "breaker 19 breaker 19, I looking
for your 20 der big buddy"
Freedom is what it is all about ? No medicals , not alot of training.
I am surprised no one has commented on the fact that SPIN and STALL training
should be mandatory and you should be checked out once in a while to show
your skills. I seen too many auger in for lack of training.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
but others understand what is an acceptable risk.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> The one single thing that has frustrated me the most on any pilot is the
> inability to use the radio and standard procedures. Nothing more
> frustrating than to go into an airport that is unattented(tower) and have
an
> airplane just pop out of nowhere and go right in front of you for landing.
> Sorry, most of those have been older pilots in my case. Seems they want
the
> freedom of doing whatever they want.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> but others understand what is an acceptable risk.
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> We self certify ourselfs to drive every day then why not to fly.
> My 4200 pound Chevy (95 Impalla SS with 350HP) would do alot more dammage
> (and go faster) then my 1200 pound, 100HP Kitfox Classic VI. By the way
the
> accident rates for medical reasons is so small even with high performance,
> complex, and IFR included that it is hard to calculate a usualable rate
> from year to year. As for no medicals for commercial pilots, lets be real
> hear. we are not talking about 100,000 pound 500 mph complex aircraft
> here.This rule has defined limits on the performance of the aircraft for a
> reason. I am much more conserned about that careless pilot that takes off
> into IMC without filing a flight plan than I am about a sport pilot with
no
> medical. As an aviation safety professional I hope this new rule will get
> some of our older pilots back into the air as their experance can help
> others make better decissions when in the air. They did not get to be
older
> pilots by being a bad pilots. If you want to be a safe pilot, remember
to
> never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and your
> ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
why not just use wing stands? or a home made ones.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> Another note on using the cherry picker, have the wings folded back as to
> take the weight from the front and move it to the rear. The saw horse is
a
> good idea, I used the cherry picker and liked how I could raise and lower
> the plane on the landing gear. Also with mine, I put the wheels on before
> installing the gear to the fuse.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Jimmy, I think there might be an easier way. Make a short "sawhorse"
like
> stand, maybe three inches taller than the fittings at the lift strut
> attachments. Lift the tail and have someone put the sawhorse under the
> fittings then tie a weight to the tail to hold it down. This will lift
the
> forward fuselage and should give plenty of support and you won't have to
> worry about it falling or breaking anything.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > Received my Grove main gear a few days ago and am making plans to
install
> it in the next few days. I am leaning toward renting an engine hoist or
> cherry picker and lifting the front of the airplane by attaching rope to
the
> points on the fuselage where the engine mounts connect and to the engine
> mount where the engine attaches. Someone please tell me if there are any
> precautions I need to consider such as putting to much stress on my attach
> points or if I need to consider other lift points.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jimmie
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Jimmy ,
CONGRATS my man !!!!!!!!!
YAHOOO YIPPPPPPPPPE
you did it !!
How you like that float ? nice eh
Ok let see some numbers, surely you gonna be glue to the left seat now
:)
And Absolutey !!! GET AN instructor If you are not Type certified !!!!!!
WAY TO GO MAN !!!!!!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying a Speedster
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Yesterday I had a thrill better than my first solo 15 years ago. I flew
my Speedster alone for the first time. What a kick. After going through
the process of learning to fly the Kitfox, I would encourage anyone that has
not flown a Kitfox to get an instructor that has flown a Kitfox before
trying it alone. I am not a tail wheel expert, but I found the Kitfox much
different than the J3 that I flew to get a tail wheel endorsement.
>
> I really appreciate the help and encouragement from everyone on the list.
>
> Now it is on to fine tuning the airplane and having some flying fun along
the way.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Both you and Lowell have excellent ideas. Since my plane has bungee gear on
it now I will not be able to put the wheels on the new gear until I get the
old gear off. I will let you know how it works out. Hopefully, I will be
able to finish painting the Grove gear today and start installing it
tomorrow.
As a side note I had the occasion to talk to Robbie Grove several times in
the past two weeks. Grove in my opinion is a great company and has superb
customer service.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
>
> Another note on using the cherry picker, have the wings folded back as to
> take the weight from the front and move it to the rear. The saw horse is
a
> good idea, I used the cherry picker and liked how I could raise and lower
> the plane on the landing gear. Also with mine, I put the wheels on before
> installing the gear to the fuse.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Jimmy, I think there might be an easier way. Make a short "sawhorse"
like
> stand, maybe three inches taller than the fittings at the lift strut
> attachments. Lift the tail and have someone put the sawhorse under the
> fittings then tie a weight to the tail to hold it down. This will lift
the
> forward fuselage and should give plenty of support and you won't have to
> worry about it falling or breaking anything.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > Received my Grove main gear a few days ago and am making plans to
install
> it in the next few days. I am leaning toward renting an engine hoist or
> cherry picker and lifting the front of the airplane by attaching rope to
the
> points on the fuselage where the engine mounts connect and to the engine
> mount where the engine attaches. Someone please tell me if there are any
> precautions I need to consider such as putting to much stress on my attach
> points or if I need to consider other lift points.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jimmie
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Westberg Instruments |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
A few weeks ago I was having trouble with my WesTach quad gauge and was critical
of Westberg Instruments. It is only fair that I report that my quad gauge has
now been fixed. Additionally, once I talked to Pete at Westberg he recognized
my frustration had me send the instrument back to him which he promptly fixed
and returned to me at no charge. Based on this experience I would recommend
talking to Pete anytime we have any issues with Westberg.
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> This is not bad, in fact quite nice, but not much Kitfox look any more :( ..
No, I know, Torgeir. :-(
> You'll have to make the lower half as well, then lift the tail and let's
> see how it's look from the best side... :)
Ok, I painted the lower half. Reload this (click Refresh to empty your IE cache)
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
... lifting the tail, though, was ... too heavy! :-)
Don wrote:
> I obtained an insert from Jabiru for in the 13" diameter
> hole in the front of the cowling for the Classic IV.
Cy wrote:
> There is a guy in CT with the round cowl that has done a GREAT job on his KF
I know, Don and Cy. Many people have made a good job to fit a Jabiru in a round
cowling. But I feel the typical two inlets of an air-cooled boxer engine looks
out-of-place with a round cowling. With a Rotax inside, one could still think
it's a rotary engine, but no with the Jabiru.
Steve Zakreski wrote:
> Wow...I'm impressed with you drawing skills first of all. Is it done with a
> computer?
Thank you very much, Steve. It's done in Photoshop. I work daily with computer
graphic so it wasn't too difficult.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Dave
Are you suggesting using wing stands to support the weight of the whole
aircraft? Surely not. I assume you mean to support the weight of the wings.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> why not just use wing stands? or a home made ones.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
> >
> > Another note on using the cherry picker, have the wings folded back as
to
> > take the weight from the front and move it to the rear. The saw horse
is
> a
> > good idea, I used the cherry picker and liked how I could raise and
lower
> > the plane on the landing gear. Also with mine, I put the wheels on
before
> > installing the gear to the fuse.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > Jimmy, I think there might be an easier way. Make a short "sawhorse"
> like
> > stand, maybe three inches taller than the fittings at the lift strut
> > attachments. Lift the tail and have someone put the sawhorse under the
> > fittings then tie a weight to the tail to hold it down. This will lift
> the
> > forward fuselage and should give plenty of support and you won't have to
> > worry about it falling or breaking anything.
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > Received my Grove main gear a few days ago and am making plans to
> install
> > it in the next few days. I am leaning toward renting an engine hoist or
> > cherry picker and lifting the front of the airplane by attaching rope to
> the
> > points on the fuselage where the engine mounts connect and to the engine
> > mount where the engine attaches. Someone please tell me if there are any
> > precautions I need to consider such as putting to much stress on my
attach
> > points or if I need to consider other lift points.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Dave
It does float. I must admit that on my first solo landing I got two
landings for one take off. With one person in the plane it does not want to
land, it wants to fly and fly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying a Speedster
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Jimmy ,
>
>
> CONGRATS my man !!!!!!!!!
>
> YAHOOO YIPPPPPPPPPE
>
> you did it !!
>
> How you like that float ? nice eh
>
> Ok let see some numbers, surely you gonna be glue to the left seat now
> :)
>
> And Absolutey !!! GET AN instructor If you are not Type certified !!!!!!
>
> WAY TO GO MAN !!!!!!
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying a Speedster
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > Yesterday I had a thrill better than my first solo 15 years ago. I flew
> my Speedster alone for the first time. What a kick. After going through
> the process of learning to fly the Kitfox, I would encourage anyone that
has
> not flown a Kitfox to get an instructor that has flown a Kitfox before
> trying it alone. I am not a tail wheel expert, but I found the Kitfox
much
> different than the J3 that I flew to get a tail wheel endorsement.
> >
> > I really appreciate the help and encouragement from everyone on the
list.
> >
> > Now it is on to fine tuning the airplane and having some flying fun
along
> the way.
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> I flew my Speedster alone for the first time.
Good for you, Jimmie! Many, many years of happy Kitfox flying!
... right now I miss flying so much. Work on the Jabiru goes but slowly. Today
I had a bad surprise: I thought 2" instruments were all the diameter. Well,
they are not! From the Rotax instruments I removed, none (one UMA and three
VDO) of the new ones will fit. One is slightly too large for the hole and the
VDOs are slightly smaller. Rats! I don't feel like making a new panel! ... I
want to fly! At least, fly before the end of the winter so that I can use the
skis I made last year! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> With one person in the plane it does not want to
> land, it wants to fly and fly.
... and so do you, I bet! :-)
Don't worry, Jimmie, we all went through that. With time you'll do just right.
If your runway is long enough, don't worry about landing on the marks, just
feel the plane and you will soon learn how and when it is ready for a three
points landing.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Lowell:
I realized that I wrote the title incorrectly. The title is "The Wright Way, 7
Problem-Solving Principles from the Wright Brothers That Can Make Your Business
Soar!" and the author is Mark Eppler. It was published in 2004. This is not
an aviation book. It is more oriented to business and engineering. I think
this "method" is effective from both the engineer's and the experimental airplane
owner's point of view.
Jose
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
Jose,
I have a couple of friends that work for Aerojet - the rocket engine
makers. After every design is proposed, they have a meeting in which the
design team has to defend the design before a committee of very skeptical
engineers. They report that sometimes it can get pretty brutal, but the
plan is to discover the failure modes before they become failures in
practice.
Ultimately after several sessions such as this, the prototype is tested. It
is a pretty cost effective way to avoid expensive mistakes.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Backup for Mikuni pump
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
> Don:
>
> I'm not attempting to copy these two guys, but I read in a book titled
"The Wright Stuff" that this was the way Orville and Wilbur did their
critical thinking. They would fiercely defend their point, but at the same
time were honestly looking for evidence proving they were wrong. Well, the
point is that their method was effective, and our Kitfoxes are the evidence.
>
> Going back to the backup pump theme, it would not work with the Mikuni
because of the pulse line, but could be a good alternative for other type of
pumps. However, that my friend is another story beyond the scope of the
582ers.
>
> Jose
>
> AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> << Listers:
>
> It looks like replacing the mikuni fuel pump annually with a brand new one
> solves the backup pump issue. I would add to this to also replace the
pulse
> line.
>
> To be honest, it makes sense. Seems extremely unlikely to fail during its
> first year, and is cheap enough to be economically feasible.
>
> You convinced me I made an overkill. This is why I'm an addict to this
> list...
>
> Jose
> >>
>
> Jose,
> It is a privilege to discuss problems with someone like yourself. You
> don't mind saying, "you might have made a mistake". There are others that
would
> rather die than admit something like that. I like criticism if it's kept
> nonpersonal. That's what makes us learn.
> BTW, I can recall one pump failure (crash landing) that was caused by a
> ruptured pulse line. As I recall, the pulse line had not been changed in a
> long/long time. Pilot error the way I see it.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
Your former instruments are 2.25 inched diameter, You will need to figure out
an adapter for the 2 inches instruments. Do you have enough space to enlarge
one of the holes for the slightly larger instrument. You can't skip getting creative!!!
Saludos,
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> I flew my Speedster alone for the first time.
Good for you, Jimmie! Many, many years of happy Kitfox flying!
... right now I miss flying so much. Work on the Jabiru goes but slowly. Today
I had a bad surprise: I thought 2" instruments were all the diameter. Well,
they are not! From the Rotax instruments I removed, none (one UMA and three
VDO) of the new ones will fit. One is slightly too large for the hole and the
VDOs are slightly smaller. Rats! I don't feel like making a new panel! ... I
want to fly! At least, fly before the end of the winter so that I can use the
skis I made last year! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Absolutly !!
Tail wheel can have it s own stand or leave on ground.
What do you think supports the aircraft in flight with 500lbs more added
with pilot passenger and fuel ?
try a 2 x 4 just outside or inside of the strut attact points that runs
from leading edge to rear or past
Make sure you under a captrip on a rib.
Wings seem to carry the weight better than wheels -- how many bent spars you
seen compared to Landing gears ?
You can lift as well off engine mounts as well.
How do you think guys put floats on?
Hope this helps
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Dave
>
> Are you suggesting using wing stands to support the weight of the whole
> aircraft? Surely not. I assume you mean to support the weight of the
wings.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >
> > why not just use wing stands? or a home made ones.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
> > >
> > > Another note on using the cherry picker, have the wings folded back as
> to
> > > take the weight from the front and move it to the rear. The saw horse
> is
> > a
> > > good idea, I used the cherry picker and liked how I could raise and
> lower
> > > the plane on the landing gear. Also with mine, I put the wheels on
> before
> > > installing the gear to the fuse.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell
Fitt
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> > >
> > > Jimmy, I think there might be an easier way. Make a short "sawhorse"
> > like
> > > stand, maybe three inches taller than the fittings at the lift strut
> > > attachments. Lift the tail and have someone put the sawhorse under
the
> > > fittings then tie a weight to the tail to hold it down. This will
lift
> > the
> > > forward fuselage and should give plenty of support and you won't have
to
> > > worry about it falling or breaking anything.
> > >
> > > Lowell
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > Received my Grove main gear a few days ago and am making plans to
> > install
> > > it in the next few days. I am leaning toward renting an engine hoist
or
> > > cherry picker and lifting the front of the airplane by attaching rope
to
> > the
> > > points on the fuselage where the engine mounts connect and to the
engine
> > > mount where the engine attaches. Someone please tell me if there are
any
> > > precautions I need to consider such as putting to much stress on my
> attach
> > > points or if I need to consider other lift points.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Jimmie
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox parts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "William J. Applegate" <bigapple@gct21.net>
Hi Mea,
How much do you want for it all? Cost to ship? Would like to know what
"metal" you are talking about.
Bill
mea dork wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mea dork <k1i2ygj@yahoo.com>
>
>i have a large box of spare kitfox parts. this was from a series 7 that was damaged
in the crate. there is wood metal nuts bolts tires, a little of everything
thousands of individually wrapped pieces. im unsure of the value, contact
me for a complete list of contents and shipping prices from burlington vermont
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/28/04 12:05:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dave@cfisher.com writes:
<< try a 2 x 4 just outside or inside of the strut attact points that runs
from leading edge to rear or past
Make sure you under a captrip on a rib. >>
Just my humble opinion but, if you put a 2X4 on the bottom of any
capstrip with the intention of lifting the weight of the aircraft, I "think" (repeat,
"think") it would bust that rib all to pieces. The point loading of a 2X4 on
a single rib is a lot more than an entire wing providing lift.
I have lifted my Fox a couple times to change tires and such. I lift
from the fuselage frame just fwd of the gear using a jack and some tripod auto
supports. Ain't no big deal.
Just an opinion and I could be wrong.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Instruments. WAS: Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> Your former instruments are 2.25 inched diameter, You will need to figure out
an
> adapter for the 2 inches instruments. Do you have enough space to enlarge one
of the
> holes for the slightly larger instrument. You can't skip getting creative!!!
Oh yes, I'll find a way. Jose. Right now, I am thinking of making a plate that
covers the three vertically aligned instrument holes and fix it with the
existing holes. Then, slightly smaller holes in it to fit the smaller VDO
instruments. Not sure if I should use aluminium or some kind of plastic for the
cover plate, though. It will sort of frame the engine instruments, a bit like
the panel of the C-119 Flying Boxcar of my father ... only with less
instruments! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
That will add a "nostalgic touch" to you panel!
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> Your former instruments are 2.25 inched diameter, You will need to figure out
an
> adapter for the 2 inches instruments. Do you have enough space to enlarge one
of the
> holes for the slightly larger instrument. You can't skip getting creative!!!
Oh yes, I'll find a way. Jose. Right now, I am thinking of making a plate that
covers the three vertically aligned instrument holes and fix it with the
existing holes. Then, slightly smaller holes in it to fit the smaller VDO
instruments. Not sure if I should use aluminium or some kind of plastic for the
cover plate, though. It will sort of frame the engine instruments, a bit like
the panel of the C-119 Flying Boxcar of my father ... only with less
instruments! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
I like the look! Will like to see a side view. Do you intend to modify the round
cowling, or do it from scratch? Will it be a two pieces cowling? Have you
worked with the air box?
Mine should be here in four weeks!
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
I don't know ... I have to do something with my cowling to match the Jabiru.
But I am not sure what to do. The Jabiru should have a smooth cowling like the
Skyfox. But then, I'd need to make a new firewall, glareshield, panel ... and
probably a new windshield.
Keeping the round cowling and making it longer and wider seems a bit stupid
too, it no longer can resemble a rotary engine.
But the profile of the Jabiru, with the air duct holes just above the prop
shaft and on the top of the cowling, requires a lower top. Hence the difficulty
to match the Skyfox cowling.
Before I mould anything, I try to visualize with drawings. Please have a look at:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
and let me know what you think of my drawing. Would you be ashamed to fly
something like that? The advantage is that it keeps the "high profile nose" of
the round cowling, yet let the air flows nicely and reduce frontal drag. The
lower part of the cowling would then be more or less like all the air-cooled
ones, sloping up gently.
Your aesthetic opinion would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
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Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Grove Gear Installation Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I would have a hard time wanting to lift from the wings at any given point
on the ground because in flight you are creating lift that is distributed
equally throughout the wing.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dave
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Absolutly !!
Tail wheel can have it s own stand or leave on ground.
What do you think supports the aircraft in flight with 500lbs more added
with pilot passenger and fuel ?
try a 2 x 4 just outside or inside of the strut attact points that runs
from leading edge to rear or past
Make sure you under a captrip on a rib.
Wings seem to carry the weight better than wheels -- how many bent spars you
seen compared to Landing gears ?
You can lift as well off engine mounts as well.
How do you think guys put floats on?
Hope this helps
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Dave
>
> Are you suggesting using wing stands to support the weight of the whole
> aircraft? Surely not. I assume you mean to support the weight of the
wings.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >
> > why not just use wing stands? or a home made ones.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
> > >
> > > Another note on using the cherry picker, have the wings folded back as
> to
> > > take the weight from the front and move it to the rear. The saw horse
> is
> > a
> > > good idea, I used the cherry picker and liked how I could raise and
> lower
> > > the plane on the landing gear. Also with mine, I put the wheels on
> before
> > > installing the gear to the fuse.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell
Fitt
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> > >
> > > Jimmy, I think there might be an easier way. Make a short "sawhorse"
> > like
> > > stand, maybe three inches taller than the fittings at the lift strut
> > > attachments. Lift the tail and have someone put the sawhorse under
the
> > > fittings then tie a weight to the tail to hold it down. This will
lift
> > the
> > > forward fuselage and should give plenty of support and you won't have
to
> > > worry about it falling or breaking anything.
> > >
> > > Lowell
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Gear Installation Model IV
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > Received my Grove main gear a few days ago and am making plans to
> > install
> > > it in the next few days. I am leaning toward renting an engine hoist
or
> > > cherry picker and lifting the front of the airplane by attaching rope
to
> > the
> > > points on the fuselage where the engine mounts connect and to the
engine
> > > mount where the engine attaches. Someone please tell me if there are
any
> > > precautions I need to consider such as putting to much stress on my
> attach
> > > points or if I need to consider other lift points.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Jimmie
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
That's the very reason I like to wheel land the kitfox. As soon as I touch
down I pull back on the stick and put on the brakes. very fun. Talk about
float, this morning was 29 degrees f. and the 172 I flew would not settle
down. But sure was fun, but not as much as the kitfox.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying a Speedster
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> With one person in the plane it does not want to
> land, it wants to fly and fly.
... and so do you, I bet! :-)
Don't worry, Jimmie, we all went through that. With time you'll do just
right.
If your runway is long enough, don't worry about landing on the marks, just
feel the plane and you will soon learn how and when it is ready for a three
points landing.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems - |
Way OT
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I hate to get into this it doesn't have much to do with airplanes, but
it needs an answer. The ban on cattle was due to a case of Mad Cow
disease in Canadian cattle and in a cow imported from Canada to the US.
A lot of ranchers on both sides of the border got hurt, not just
Canadians, but considering the horrible nature of spongiform
encephalopathy and the hoorah generated by the disease in Europe and in
the news what else could be done? What would you do if it were the
other way around? There are plenty of other things to get riled about
but this isn't one of them.
Jerry Liles
dave wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
>Very simple,
>
>US gov banned Canadain beef as a political maneuver possibly cause Canada
>did not support Bush in his quagmire of oil in IRAQ.
>The place with WMD and so on. Bush comes to Canada this week and will
>most likey see some protests.
>
>Makes you wonder If Ukraine had Oil if Bush would be headed ther next?
>Besides he does have experience in how to sway the votes . <chuckle>
>
>
>Hope that answers your question Lowell.
>
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a Speedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jimmie congratulations. Yes, the Kitfox does fairly jump off the ground
solo. Have fun!!
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying a Speedster
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Yesterday I had a thrill better than my first solo 15 years ago. I flew
my Speedster alone for the first time. What a kick. After going through
the process of learning to fly the Kitfox, I would encourage anyone that has
not flown a Kitfox to get an instructor that has flown a Kitfox before
trying it alone. I am not a tail wheel expert, but I found the Kitfox much
different than the J3 that I flew to get a tail wheel endorsement.
>
> I really appreciate the help and encouragement from everyone on the list.
>
> Now it is on to fine tuning the airplane and having some flying fun along
the way.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | let me know what you think of my drawing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
let me know what you think of my drawing
Michel, I think it's a bit different I see nothing wrong with it. I'd fly it
!
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Let me get this straight. A Washington rancher purchases a dozen or so
cattle from North of the border. One of them tests positive for Mad Cow
Disease. The test results are made public and Japan and other countries
place a halt on the importation of US beef because of the infection.
The agriculture department of the US places an embargo on Canadian Beef to
prevent further infestation and somehow this is the payback for Canada's
reluctance to help in Iraq?
I still don't understand.
Lowell
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Very simple,
>
> US gov banned Canadain beef as a political maneuver possibly cause Canada
> did not support Bush in his quagmire of oil in IRAQ.
> The place with WMD and so on. Bush comes to Canada this week and will
> most likey see some protests.
>
> Makes you wonder If Ukraine had Oil if Bush would be headed ther next?
> Besides he does have experience in how to sway the votes . <chuckle>
>
>
> Hope that answers your question Lowell.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
> > >
> > > Dave
> >
> > Dave, be so kind as to explain what the prevoious sentence means. From
> the
> > tone, I suspect you are not a great friend of the US.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > > >
> > > > Dave sez:
> > > >
> > > > >geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a
> 757
> > > has
> > > > >his medical?
> > > > >
> > > > >If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him
> that
> > > > >passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
> > > >
> > > > In the grand scheme of things, pilot medical problems cause less
than
> > > > 1/10th of 1 percent of all airplane accidents. One could argue
> > > > that's because the FAA and the authorities in other countries do
such
> > > > a good job with screening out those that are not healthy enough to
> > > > fly safely, but it isn't hard to find a lot of aviation medical
> > > > examiners who feel the rules are way behind the times in terms of
> > > > what are and what are not troublesome medical conditions for pilots.
> > > > It might just be that people without a history of debilitating
> > > > medical conditions seldom develop one in flight.
> > > >
> > > > It could also be argued that a lot of dangerous medical conditions
> > > > have plenty of time to crop up between physicals, hence the
> > > > requirement on pilots to assess their own airworthiness prior to
each
> > > > flight. Having a valid medical certificate does not mean you are
fit
> > > > to fly.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
> > > > sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others.
Recall
> > > > that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
> > > > someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.
> > > >
> > > > Time will tell if this position is justified.
> > > >
> > > > Mike G.
> > > > N728KF
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: william mills <courierboy@earthlink.net>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>
>>
>> Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
>>
>> Dave
>
>Dave, be so kind as to explain what the prevoious sentence means. From the
>tone, I suspect you are not a great friend of the US.
>
>Lowell
Hi Lowell -
I too noticed this tone and it's somewhat similar to that of our old
"pal" Sverrir from Iceland. I sure can't remember exactly what his
"beef" was with these here United States but he did mention he had an
American wife . . . . hmmm.
Real sorry I missed your and Kaye's soiree this past June. Got
dinged-up pretty good at work on May 16th but am mending real well.
Mary and I plan to come see you and get caught-up at the 2005
gathering.
Bill Mills
do not archive
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| Subject: | Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I have to jump in here and I know that Darrel is wanting to also.
Everyone PLEASE stop complaining about Bush, cattle embargos, and everything
else that is off-topic and inflammatory.
If you want to pursue an off-topic with a specific list member, please do so
privately, but do NOT post it on the Kitfox List. Anyone posting
inflammatory remarks after this will be considered for suspension.
Also, I want to commend all members for staying on-topic during the US
elections. It was a very divisive period for our country, and you all
behaved yourselves according to the list rules. You are all to be
congratulated on your restraint and maturity.
Thank you,
Don Pearsall
List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Unless these cows can fly, I must be missing the aviation component of this
message.
I dont understand either.
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Let me get this straight. A Washington rancher purchases a dozen or so
> cattle from North of the border. One of them tests positive for Mad Cow
> Disease. The test results are made public and Japan and other countries
> place a halt on the importation of US beef because of the infection.
>
> The agriculture department of the US places an embargo on Canadian Beef to
> prevent further infestation and somehow this is the payback for Canada's
> reluctance to help in Iraq?
>
> I still don't understand.
>
> Lowell
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Very simple,
>>
>> US gov banned Canadain beef as a political maneuver possibly cause
>> Canada
>> did not support Bush in his quagmire of oil in IRAQ.
>> The place with WMD and so on. Bush comes to Canada this week and will
>> most likey see some protests.
>>
>> Makes you wonder If Ukraine had Oil if Bush would be headed ther next?
>> Besides he does have experience in how to sway the votes . <chuckle>
>>
>>
>> Hope that answers your question Lowell.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Welcome to Canada where our beef has been tainted by the US gov.
>> > >
>> > > Dave
>> >
>> > Dave, be so kind as to explain what the prevoious sentence means. From
>> the
>> > tone, I suspect you are not a great friend of the US.
>> >
>> > Lowell
>> >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
>> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave sez:
>> > > >
>> > > > >geez I bet you hope the next pilot carrying your family home on a
>> 757
>> > > has
>> > > > >his medical?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >If also the guy in the sport pilot plane that just ran into him
>> that
>> > > > >passed out cause of his lack of respect for others.
>> > > >
>> > > > In the grand scheme of things, pilot medical problems cause less
> than
>> > > > 1/10th of 1 percent of all airplane accidents. One could argue
>> > > > that's because the FAA and the authorities in other countries do
> such
>> > > > a good job with screening out those that are not healthy enough to
>> > > > fly safely, but it isn't hard to find a lot of aviation medical
>> > > > examiners who feel the rules are way behind the times in terms of
>> > > > what are and what are not troublesome medical conditions for
>> > > > pilots.
>> > > > It might just be that people without a history of debilitating
>> > > > medical conditions seldom develop one in flight.
>> > > >
>> > > > It could also be argued that a lot of dangerous medical conditions
>> > > > have plenty of time to crop up between physicals, hence the
>> > > > requirement on pilots to assess their own airworthiness prior to
> each
>> > > > flight. Having a valid medical certificate does not mean you are
> fit
>> > > > to fly.
>> > > >
>> > > > Apparently the FAA has been convinced that pilots conforming to the
>> > > > sport pilot rules do not pose a significant threat to others.
> Recall
>> > > > that, while a medical certificate is not required for sport flight,
>> > > > someone who has been denied a medical remains grounded.
>> > > >
>> > > > Time will tell if this position is justified.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike G.
>> > > > N728KF
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | repost -- on topic Real flying stuff |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I still waiting for a response here,
Seems like a good time to talk about real flying now
Kind regards,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems
but others understand what is an acceptable risk.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Kirk,
>
> < If you want to be a safe pilot, remember to
> > never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and
your
> > ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.>
>
> What about stalls and spins? Do your reguations make pilots be
proficient
> in stalls ?
> stall on TO ?
> spins ?
> spirals?
>
> surely this is a large percentage of accidental data as well.
>
> I await to hear some opposed to stal and spin training cause it not gonna
> happen to them.
>
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: hmm some have no concern for safety it sems but
> others understand what is an acceptable risk.
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >
> > We self certify ourselfs to drive every day then why not to fly.
> > My 4200 pound Chevy (95 Impalla SS with 350HP) would do alot more
dammage
> > (and go faster) then my 1200 pound, 100HP Kitfox Classic VI. By the way
> the
> > accident rates for medical reasons is so small even with high
performance,
> > complex, and IFR included that it is hard to calculate a usualable rate
> > from year to year. As for no medicals for commercial pilots, lets be
real
> > hear. we are not talking about 100,000 pound 500 mph complex aircraft
> > here.This rule has defined limits on the performance of the aircraft for
a
> > reason. I am much more conserned about that careless pilot that takes
off
> > into IMC without filing a flight plan than I am about a sport pilot with
> no
> > medical. As an aviation safety professional I hope this new rule will
get
> > some of our older pilots back into the air as their experance can help
> > others make better decissions when in the air. They did not get to be
> older
> > pilots by being a bad pilots. If you want to be a safe pilot,
remember
> to
> > never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and
your
> > ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Don
This is a rare exception when I jump in and say something about such a
controversial topic. However, this one pushed me to far.
I absolutely agree that this list is no place for mad cow disease and any
other political discussion. This list is for Kitfox matters and it does a
darn good job of it. However, it was obvious that my country was
purposefully insulted and I commend those that stood up for the United
States of America by not letting the insults go unanswered.
After over a year on this list I have never seen an email that has even
hinted at insulting any country except the United States of America. I have
seen several emails that insult the United States. My response is "it is
not OK to bash my country". I will not bash yours on this list. The people
on this list and the administrator of this list should not tolerate such
conduct. Ban the guy that started this in the first place, not the people
that responded.
Frankly, I think the person that started all this owes every one on the list
and especially those from the United States an apology. Matter of fact Don,
I think you should insist on such an apology or ban the correct person from
the list, the person that started this mess. Many on this list from the
United States put their lives on the line countless times to preserve our
right to pursue this wonderful hobby of building and flying the Kitfox. I
was personally offended by the person that started this off topic exchange
and again I commend those that did not let him get away with it.
Jimmie Blackwell
Lt Colonel USAF (Retired) and darn proud of it.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I have to jump in here and I know that Darrel is wanting to also.
>
> Everyone PLEASE stop complaining about Bush, cattle embargos, and
everything
> else that is off-topic and inflammatory.
>
> If you want to pursue an off-topic with a specific list member, please do
so
> privately, but do NOT post it on the Kitfox List. Anyone posting
> inflammatory remarks after this will be considered for suspension.
>
> Also, I want to commend all members for staying on-topic during the US
> elections. It was a very divisive period for our country, and you all
> behaved yourselves according to the list rules. You are all to be
> congratulated on your restraint and maturity.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Don Pearsall
> List Administrator
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com>
I recently bought a Kitfox 5 with a Jabiru 3300 in it. I am new to the
Matronics site and look forward to learning from others comments.
Thanks,
Lonnie
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Lonnie:
I'm certainly looking forward to learning from your comments as well. Keep
the group posted re your experiences.
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com>
>
> I recently bought a Kitfox 5 with a Jabiru 3300 in it. I am new to the
> Matronics site and look forward to learning from others comments.
>
> Thanks,
> Lonnie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
The same goes for me Lonnie. I look forward to
learning from you too. I almost bought the #4 Jabiru
3300 for my S-5 years ago. It seemed a little too big
a gamble at the time, but I would like to hear how
well yours is doing now.
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--- Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com wrote:
> I recently bought a Kitfox 5 with a Jabiru 3300 in
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>
> Thanks,
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| Subject: | Kitfox 5 with Jabiru 3300 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Hey Lonnie... Have you picked up your aircraft yet ??
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
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I recently bought a Kitfox 5 with a Jabiru 3300 in it. I am new to the
Matronics site and look forward to learning from others comments.
Thanks,
Lonnie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I think it looks great! Very individual, functional,
and creative. It might help with your visibility and
runway lineup too.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
..........
> Before I mould anything, I try to visualize with
> drawings. Please have a look at:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
> .......
> and let me know what you think of my drawing. Would
> you be ashamed to fly something like that?
> ..........
> Your aesthetic opinion would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators. - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I think he did do "accellerated" stalls by doing them
in turns, but not full power or high speed stalls. I
agree that full power stalls can be wicked and must be
done carefully if at all. I did not feel comfortable
VG stall testing at full power either. The most I did
was maybe 40% power stalls where I got down to 30
knots indicated. The break was pretty sharp even with
VG's.
I believe the first 4 deaths in a KF were from 2
takeoff stalls. Probably the desire to establish a
solo climb rate (showing off) while dual is to blame,
but I am guessing. Anyway, full power stalls can
happen. "High speed" stalls are seldom reached
outside of aerobatics. You have to be below
maneuvering speed to avoid risk of damage too, so they
are not really high speed anyway.
These VG's are about the same number as I used. I
couldn't count them all in the pics, but they were one
set per rib/false rib, as mine were. His rib spacing
may be different, but the wing count looked similar to
mine.
My spacing was closer for each pair - about 1" at the
nose vice his 3", and so further apart between pairs.
He placed them (the verticle parts) almost on the ribs
where I placed them more in the valleys.
His are definitely further back than mine were in
either of 2 cord distances I tried. 3-4 inches
further aft than mine. Also this wing is of greater
forward camber than a KF. He has them at about his
max camber. Mine were about half way up to max
camber, our max camber being further aft.
His VG's look bigger and of different shape than the
manufactured ones I used.
He is right about the stall and slow flight
characteristics being better. Mine were too. No
disappointment there. :-)
I will do more testing in the future and hopefully
find the magic spot for KF VG's. I really do want the
slower stall speed for my off airport flying.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> This all sounds very interesting. I went to the web
> site and was a little puzzled as to why the author
> didn't do a high speed stall, he claims he
> doesn't know aerobatics. Now correct me, doesn't
> the high speed stall come with training for a pilot
> license(mine did). You can correct me again by
> saying maybe you don't need a pilot license with
> this aircraft. If so, maybe this guy should be
> careful. With all that he is doing with testing,
> he should seek out more training? just an
> observation, not trying to criticize.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Daughenbaugh
>
> Kurt,
> I value your testing of vortex generators. I was
> disappointed with the results you got in your
> recent tests. (But not your tests!)
>
> Here is a website that falls out of the Kolb list
> that Torgeir alerted us to.
>
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html
>
> At this web site they show a lot of closely spaced
> VG's. I believe this is more and more closely
> than what you tested. I don't know what the cord of
> the Kolb wing is, but it seems that they are placed
> further back than what is usually suggested.
>
> I am just selfishly trying to goad you into doing
> more tests. (and reporting the results. (;-) )
>
> Randy
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