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1. 01:09 AM - SV: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:29 AM - SV: Nose job (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:16 AM - List of Contributors Coming Soon! (Matt Dralle)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (dave)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Nose job (W Duke)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (Glenn Horne)
7. 05:54 AM - Re: Nose job (Steve Zakreski)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: let me know what you think of my drawing (Jose M. Toro)
9. 06:54 AM - Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (Lowell Fitt)
10. 07:07 AM - New Zealand (off topic sort of) (Lowell Fitt)
11. 07:16 AM - Mad Cows (Jim Gilliatt)
12. 07:24 AM - Off Topic (Jim Gilliatt)
13. 07:50 AM - Re: Vortex Generators. - Kurt (customtrans@qwest.net)
14. 09:25 AM - Re: Nose job (Harris, Robert)
15. 09:50 AM - Thank You Bob Robertson Re: Bob Robertson 582 (Harris, Robert)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: in (my 582 Rotax causes the (Harris, Robert)
17. 11:16 AM - Re: Nose job (Michel Verheughe)
18. 11:32 AM - Re: Nose job (coolmate_04@cashette.com)
19. 11:35 AM - Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. (coolmate_04@cashette.com)
20. 12:05 PM - Re: Nose job (Jose M. Toro)
21. 12:42 PM - [PLEASE READ] Lists Pummelled by Cashette.com Debacle... (Matt Dralle)
22. 12:50 PM - Re: [PLEASE READ] Lists Pummelled by Cashette.com Debacle... (Don Pearsall)
23. 02:39 PM - Speed (kevin johnson)
24. 02:48 PM - Re: Nose job (Howard Firm)
25. 02:52 PM - Re: Speed (Aerobatics@aol.com)
26. 02:54 PM - Re: Speed (Steve Magdic)
27. 04:15 PM - Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt (Torgeir Mortensen)
28. 04:25 PM - Re: Nose job (Torgeir Mortensen)
29. 04:37 PM - Re: repost -- on topic Real flying stuff (kirk hull)
30. 05:14 PM - Speed again (kevin johnson)
31. 05:34 PM - Re: let me know what you think of my drawing (Michael Gibbs)
32. 07:48 PM - Re: Vortex Generators. - Kurt (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dear List Administrator,
I beg to differ with your title. In my humble opinion, "Off-topic" subjects should
be allowed if the purpose is to share something personal, e.g. when I wish
a happy Thanksgiving to my American friends. To spare time to the "Kitfox-only"
readers, "Off-topic" should then be clearly indicated in the title.
Off-topic flames should, of course, happen off-list.
Your humble list member,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Kurt and Jose,
Kurt, yes it may improve my viewing forward, I didn't even think of that! Good
to have friends that think for me! :-)
> From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> I like the look! Will like to see a side view. Do you intend to modify the
round
> cowling, or do it from scratch? Will it be a two pieces cowling? Have you worked
> with the air box?
What I intend to do now, Jose, is to put on the aft top cowling and work from there,
with cardboard scissors and contact glue a shape to extend it to the end.
I'll then fiberglass that to make it stiff, smooth the inside then mould it
into the existing aft top cowling. When that is done, I'll so something similar
with the bottom part. Yes, at the end it will be a two part cowling, as show
in the illustration.
Do you mean the carb heater air box? Yes, I have tried to mount it on the firewall.
It fits but it takes a bit of work to place it between the engine mount.
The box outlet (you can make a hole vertical or horizontal) has to be down. It
will be a tight turn in the SCAT duct, in order to come to the carburettor,
but it's possible.
If I do succeed with my moulding and the result is pleasant, the cardboard/glassfiber
mould is then available to anyone who would like to use it to modify a
round cowl to a Jabiru one. If you are interested, Jose, I can send it to you.
But first, we have to see how it comes out. Maybe it will be very ugly. In which
case, I'll only fly to deserted airfields, right after sunset, and quickly
hide the plane under a tarpaulin once parked! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
There are only a couple more days left until the official end of this
year's Matronics List Fund Raiser. At the end of the month I compile and
post a list of all the members that made a Contribution to support the
Lists. Won't you take a moment and make sure your name is on that
list? Its your support that keeps these Lists up and running 24x7x365.
The List Contribution Site is easy and fast and most importantly
secure. You can make your donation with a credit card, PayPal, or by
sending in a personal check. For complete information, please see the URL
below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Jimmy ,
Sorry you feel like everyone should agree with you and your vision but this
is world of choice.
I like USA and the people there;. Lowell asked me to expand my thoughts on
a one sentence and I did.
When anyone is going to tell me what I can read and say I wil stand up.
Exactly the same as the sport pilots have done , told the government they
do not want intervention or minimal at that.
But do not ask for an apolgy because that would make me have to believe in
what you believe in and possibly I do or do not.
I can say I enjoy Kitfoxes and Aviation and general and have decades in the
field as well as thousands of hours of flying time with many type ratings.
If you must be such a self centered person that must have everyone stand and
look your way just ignore me or have your List manger remove me as I do
have a real life.
Regardless we are all entitled to our own opinions and that is what make
our society such a great place these days.
once again
Kind regards,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Don
>
> This is a rare exception when I jump in and say something about such a
> controversial topic. However, this one pushed me to far.
>
> I absolutely agree that this list is no place for mad cow disease and any
> other political discussion. This list is for Kitfox matters and it does a
> darn good job of it. However, it was obvious that my country was
> purposefully insulted and I commend those that stood up for the United
> States of America by not letting the insults go unanswered.
>
> After over a year on this list I have never seen an email that has even
> hinted at insulting any country except the United States of America. I
have
> seen several emails that insult the United States. My response is "it is
> not OK to bash my country". I will not bash yours on this list. The
people
> on this list and the administrator of this list should not tolerate such
> conduct. Ban the guy that started this in the first place, not the people
> that responded.
>
> Frankly, I think the person that started all this owes every one on the
list
> and especially those from the United States an apology. Matter of fact
Don,
> I think you should insist on such an apology or ban the correct person
from
> the list, the person that started this mess. Many on this list from the
> United States put their lives on the line countless times to preserve our
> right to pursue this wonderful hobby of building and flying the Kitfox. I
> was personally offended by the person that started this off topic exchange
> and again I commend those that did not let him get away with it.
>
> Jimmie Blackwell
> Lt Colonel USAF (Retired) and darn proud of it.
>
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> >
> > I have to jump in here and I know that Darrel is wanting to also.
> >
> > Everyone PLEASE stop complaining about Bush, cattle embargos, and
> everything
> > else that is off-topic and inflammatory.
> >
> > If you want to pursue an off-topic with a specific list member, please
do
> so
> > privately, but do NOT post it on the Kitfox List. Anyone posting
> > inflammatory remarks after this will be considered for suspension.
> >
> > Also, I want to commend all members for staying on-topic during the US
> > elections. It was a very divisive period for our country, and you all
> > behaved yourselves according to the list rules. You are all to be
> > congratulated on your restraint and maturity.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> > List Administrator
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Nothing wrong with that nose.
Maxwell
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
I don't know ... I have to do something with my cowling to match the Jabiru.
But I am not sure what to do. The Jabiru should have a smooth cowling like the
Skyfox. But then, I'd need to make a new firewall, glareshield, panel ... and
probably a new windshield.
Keeping the round cowling and making it longer and wider seems a bit stupid
too, it no longer can resemble a rotary engine.
But the profile of the Jabiru, with the air duct holes just above the prop
shaft and on the top of the cowling, requires a lower top. Hence the difficulty
to match the Skyfox cowling.
Before I mould anything, I try to visualize with drawings. Please have a look at:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
and let me know what you think of my drawing. Would you be ashamed to fly
something like that? The advantage is that it keeps the "high profile nose" of
the round cowling, yet let the air flows nicely and reduce frontal drag. The
lower part of the cowling would then be more or less like all the air-cooled
ones, sloping up gently.
Your aesthetic opinion would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Well spoken Col.,that goes for me also.
Glenn Horne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Don
This is a rare exception when I jump in and say something about such a
controversial topic. However, this one pushed me to far.
I absolutely agree that this list is no place for mad cow disease and any
other political discussion. This list is for Kitfox matters and it does a
darn good job of it. However, it was obvious that my country was
purposefully insulted and I commend those that stood up for the United
States of America by not letting the insults go unanswered.
After over a year on this list I have never seen an email that has even
hinted at insulting any country except the United States of America. I have
seen several emails that insult the United States. My response is "it is
not OK to bash my country". I will not bash yours on this list. The people
on this list and the administrator of this list should not tolerate such
conduct. Ban the guy that started this in the first place, not the people
that responded.
Frankly, I think the person that started all this owes every one on the list
and especially those from the United States an apology. Matter of fact Don,
I think you should insist on such an apology or ban the correct person from
the list, the person that started this mess. Many on this list from the
United States put their lives on the line countless times to preserve our
right to pursue this wonderful hobby of building and flying the Kitfox. I
was personally offended by the person that started this off topic exchange
and again I commend those that did not let him get away with it.
Jimmie Blackwell
Lt Colonel USAF (Retired) and darn proud of it.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I have to jump in here and I know that Darrel is wanting to also.
>
> Everyone PLEASE stop complaining about Bush, cattle embargos, and
everything
> else that is off-topic and inflammatory.
>
> If you want to pursue an off-topic with a specific list member, please do
so
> privately, but do NOT post it on the Kitfox List. Anyone posting
> inflammatory remarks after this will be considered for suspension.
>
> Also, I want to commend all members for staying on-topic during the US
> elections. It was a very divisive period for our country, and you all
> behaved yourselves according to the list rules. You are all to be
> congratulated on your restraint and maturity.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Don Pearsall
> List Administrator
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
OK Michel...finish the picture off with the prop and spinner.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of W Duke
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Nose job
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Nothing wrong with that nose.
Maxwell
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
I don't know ... I have to do something with my cowling to match the Jabiru.
But I am not sure what to do. The Jabiru should have a smooth cowling like
the
Skyfox. But then, I'd need to make a new firewall, glareshield, panel ...
and
probably a new windshield.
Keeping the round cowling and making it longer and wider seems a bit stupid
too, it no longer can resemble a rotary engine.
But the profile of the Jabiru, with the air duct holes just above the prop
shaft and on the top of the cowling, requires a lower top. Hence the
difficulty
to match the Skyfox cowling.
Before I mould anything, I try to visualize with drawings. Please have a
look at:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
and let me know what you think of my drawing. Would you be ashamed to fly
something like that? The advantage is that it keeps the "high profile nose"
of
the round cowling, yet let the air flows nicely and reduce frontal drag. The
lower part of the cowling would then be more or less like all the air-cooled
ones, sloping up gently.
Your aesthetic opinion would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: let me know what you think of my drawing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Rex:
Any excuse is good to go flying!
Jose
Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
let me know what you think of my drawing
Michel, I think it's a bit different I see nothing wrong with it. I'd fly it
!
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I have to apologies here, My intention was to respond directly both times -
I guess I am suffering a bit of jet lag.
Lowell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I have to jump in here and I know that Darrel is wanting to also.
>
> Everyone PLEASE stop complaining about Bush, cattle embargos, and
everything
> else that is off-topic and inflammatory.
>
> If you want to pursue an off-topic with a specific list member, please do
so
> privately, but do NOT post it on the Kitfox List. Anyone posting
> inflammatory remarks after this will be considered for suspension.
>
> Also, I want to commend all members for staying on-topic during the US
> elections. It was a very divisive period for our country, and you all
> behaved yourselves according to the list rules. You are all to be
> congratulated on your restraint and maturity.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Don Pearsall
> List Administrator
>
>
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| Subject: | New Zealand (off topic sort of) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Would the list members from New Zealand or New South Wales, Australia respond.
I spent a wonderful week in Lyttleton, near Christchurch, NZ last week and found
that my old sailing buddy is now quite interested in aviation. I would like
to arrange a ride for him in a Kitfox if at all possible. He was given a simulator
ride in a B-767 and it pretty much hooked him. He is a ship broker and
travels a bit in his work.
Please reply direct: lcfitt@inreach.com
Thanks,
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
I tried not to, but I have to make a comment. It is truely amazing how
people don't THINK!!
As some famous person once said, (I think it was Will Rogers) "It is
better to be silent, and
thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and prove it". Graciousness and
good taste seem to
be waning in our society.
Jim Gilliatt
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
I apologize for the "off topic" material, but I feel better.
Jim Gilliatt
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators. - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I know I mentioned high speed stalls and I think the author did also. My
apologies for kicking him on that one. I guess I was more inapt about the
full throttle stall needing to be done, to simulate take off. I have a
concern about using the stol kit and that is slowing to a speed that causes
a stall without warning or not feeling a buffet when a stall happens thus
cause you to drop out of the sky and fall to the ground. I believe an
accident happened at Johnson creek involving a Cessna(I believe) that had
stol installed and crashed just short of the runway.
The other question I have is top speed, will that suffer?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators. - Kurt
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I think he did do "accellerated" stalls by doing them
in turns, but not full power or high speed stalls. I
agree that full power stalls can be wicked and must be
done carefully if at all. I did not feel comfortable
VG stall testing at full power either. The most I did
was maybe 40% power stalls where I got down to 30
knots indicated. The break was pretty sharp even with
VG's.
I believe the first 4 deaths in a KF were from 2
takeoff stalls. Probably the desire to establish a
solo climb rate (showing off) while dual is to blame,
but I am guessing. Anyway, full power stalls can
happen. "High speed" stalls are seldom reached
outside of aerobatics. You have to be below
maneuvering speed to avoid risk of damage too, so they
are not really high speed anyway.
These VG's are about the same number as I used. I
couldn't count them all in the pics, but they were one
set per rib/false rib, as mine were. His rib spacing
may be different, but the wing count looked similar to
mine.
My spacing was closer for each pair - about 1" at the
nose vice his 3", and so further apart between pairs.
He placed them (the verticle parts) almost on the ribs
where I placed them more in the valleys.
His are definitely further back than mine were in
either of 2 cord distances I tried. 3-4 inches
further aft than mine. Also this wing is of greater
forward camber than a KF. He has them at about his
max camber. Mine were about half way up to max
camber, our max camber being further aft.
His VG's look bigger and of different shape than the
manufactured ones I used.
He is right about the stall and slow flight
characteristics being better. Mine were too. No
disappointment there. :-)
I will do more testing in the future and hopefully
find the magic spot for KF VG's. I really do want the
slower stall speed for my off airport flying.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> This all sounds very interesting. I went to the web
> site and was a little puzzled as to why the author
> didn't do a high speed stall, he claims he
> doesn't know aerobatics. Now correct me, doesn't
> the high speed stall come with training for a pilot
> license(mine did). You can correct me again by
> saying maybe you don't need a pilot license with
> this aircraft. If so, maybe this guy should be
> careful. With all that he is doing with testing,
> he should seek out more training? just an
> observation, not trying to criticize.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Daughenbaugh
>
> Kurt,
> I value your testing of vortex generators. I was
> disappointed with the results you got in your
> recent tests. (But not your tests!)
>
> Here is a website that falls out of the Kolb list
> that Torgeir alerted us to.
>
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html
>
> At this web site they show a lot of closely spaced
> VG's. I believe this is more and more closely
> than what you tested. I don't know what the cord of
> the Kolb wing is, but it seems that they are placed
> further back than what is usually suggested.
>
> I am just selfishly trying to goad you into doing
> more tests. (and reporting the results. (;-) )
>
> Randy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Michel,
That looks great.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of W Duke
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Nose job
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Nothing wrong with that nose.
Maxwell
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
I don't know ... I have to do something with my cowling to match the Jabiru.
But I am not sure what to do. The Jabiru should have a smooth cowling like
the
Skyfox. But then, I'd need to make a new firewall, glareshield, panel ...
and
probably a new windshield.
Keeping the round cowling and making it longer and wider seems a bit stupid
too, it no longer can resemble a rotary engine.
But the profile of the Jabiru, with the air duct holes just above the prop
shaft and on the top of the cowling, requires a lower top. Hence the
difficulty
to match the Skyfox cowling.
Before I mould anything, I try to visualize with drawings. Please have a
look at:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose.jpg
and let me know what you think of my drawing. Would you be ashamed to fly
something like that? The advantage is that it keeps the "high profile nose"
of
the round cowling, yet let the air flows nicely and reduce frontal drag. The
lower part of the cowling would then be more or less like all the air-cooled
ones, sloping up gently.
Your aesthetic opinion would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Michel
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sparkp lug cht senosr torque?
| Subject: | Bob Robertson 582 |
sparkp lug cht senosr torque?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Bob,
Thanks for your help and for the tip that the CHT on the 582 is of little
use. From what I have experienced I agree with you and may stop using the
CHT sensor.
Thanks Again
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
<aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Robert,
Well now.....CPS is correct that all spark plugs should be torqued to 240
in/lb. The sequence of events leading up to that 240 in/lb is what is
important.
First.... With the thin CHT probes we use there is no need to remove the
crushable washer on the sparkplug. The reason they were removed in tha past
is that the CHT sensors were quite thick and changed the length of the spark
plug extending inside the cylinder.
The new thin senders do not move the spark plug enough to be concerned
about. I always torque the plug down to 240 in/lb. WITHOUT anything but the
washer that comes with the plug first...then remove the spark plug, add the
sensor below the crushed washer and re-torque. Now.. we have to use some
common sense here.. If the sensor is no longer perfectly flat or perfectly
round we should not use it as an ovaled sensor will not seal (they must be
round). A new sensor mounted below a crushed washer on a spark plug shouldl
remain round and seal 100%.
Now....comes my next question. Aside from the fact that you already have a
CHT gauge and sensors, why are you trying to mount these to a liquid cooled
engine? In effect, the CHT gauge will only tell you what the temps of the
spark plug bases are and not much else. The coolant will dampen any changes
in temps quite well. The CHT gauges would only be of any use "if" the water
temp sensor failed. That's just a little person feeling there (smile)..
hope this helps
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bob Robertson 582 sparkplug cht senosr torque?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
> Thanks for monitoring the chats.
> We are very fortunate to have your input.
>
> Should I torque the 582 spark plugs with the CHT sensor unit the same as
the
> spark plugs with out the CHT sensor unit? Should I also remove the
sparkplug
> metal gasket on the sparkplugs with the CHT sensor?
>
> In the owners manual there is a diagram that shows the CHT sensor unit
with
> a torque value of approximately 130 inch lbs but I'm not sure what they
are
> referring to. I called CPS and they said to torque all of sparkplugs to
240
> inch lbs.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson"
> <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
>
> Hi Charlie,
> Unfortunatley, there is no accurate way to check the condition of the
bronze
> gear without a visual on the gear.
> Checking the backlash on the rotary valve shaft (as per the repair manual)
> will only tell you the condition of the individual gear tooth in contact
> with the crankshaft gear.
> I have a question though....What makes you think there is a problem with
the
> gear?
>
> regards
>
> Bob Robertson
> Light Engine Services Ltd.
> Rotax Service Center
> St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
> Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
> Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
> www.rtx-av-engines.ca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BROSCHART" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
> To: "fox2" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 timing
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BROSCHART <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
> >
> > is there a way to check the condition of the bronze timing gear on the
> > 582 valve timing shaft with out removing the shaft
> >
> > Have a good day - Charlie
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks Rex,
I look forward to trying the new plugs. They sure are expensive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: in (my 582 Rotax causes the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
in (my 582 Rotax causes the
airframe to vibrate)? I really notice it when I put my helmet against the
airframe.
My 582 used to be rough between 2 and 3,000 RPM. I changed from Resistor
caps and B8ES plugs to non resistor caps and BR8EIX plugs. It is now much
improved. Also solved the problem of a RPM drop between Mag 1 and 2 that I
often had at about 3,000.
The new pugs I noticed are being used in inverted 582 installations. The
code is "B" = 14mm thread dia. "R" is resistor type plug [ you don't seem
to be able to get non resistor in this type ] "8" is the heat range. "E"
is 3/4" reach. "I" is for Iridium. This is a very fine centre electrode made
out of Iridium to conduct the heat away fast enough and not burn away
either. "X" is for booster gap. This allows the voltage to build up higher
before firing and is ideal with CDI ignition.
"S" that is used in the original plug code is for standard 2.6mm centre
electrode.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Zakreski wrote:
> OK Michel...finish the picture off with the prop and spinner.
Sir, yes Sir!
(... scratch, scratch ... click, click ...)
... like this?
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose2.jpg
Cheers,
:-) Michel
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Nose job
Sent date: Mon Nov 29 05:53:44 PST 2004
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From: "Glenn Horne" glennflys@rcn.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Off-Topic Subjects are now banned.
Sent date: Mon Nov 29 05:36:22 PST 2004
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Piece of cake...
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Verheughe
Steve Zakreski wrote:
> OK Michel...finish the picture off with the prop and spinner.
Sir, yes Sir!
(... scratch, scratch ... click, click ...)
... like this?
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose2.jpg
Cheers,
:-) Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Listers,
Just a quick note to say that I've caught the great Cashette.Com debacle of
2004 and have tried to clean out all of the pending List email queues of
all the "you are not yet on my Approved List" messages. There were about
117 of them queued when I noticed what was going on.
In a nutshell, this guy signed up for all of the Lists and had a "register
with my site" spam filter enabled on his account. When his account started
receiving List messages, it started sending back, "you need to register"
messages back to the various Lists which in turn went to the Lists which in
turn got sent to the same spam filter which in turn sent back a message
indicating that the List needed to register, and so on and so on until, I
suppose, the Internet just blew up! Sheeze, some of these spam systems are
so brain dead!
Anyway, I've cleaned out all of the messages generated by this thing and
put in a permanent block from this cashette.com website so that this
shouldn't be a problem any longer.
Back to Airplane Discussions! :-)
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Thanks for fixing this, Matt. We had some members here thinking it was their
email that was the problem.
I agree 100% that some spam filters cause more problems than they solve.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Kitfox-List: [PLEASE READ] Lists Pummelled by Cashette.com
Debacle...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Listers,
Just a quick note to say that I've caught the great Cashette.Com debacle of
2004 and have tried to clean out all of the pending List email queues of
all the "you are not yet on my Approved List" messages. There were about
117 of them queued when I noticed what was going on.
In a nutshell, this guy signed up for all of the Lists and had a "register
with my site" spam filter enabled on his account. When his account started
receiving List messages, it started sending back, "you need to register"
messages back to the various Lists which in turn went to the Lists which in
turn got sent to the same spam filter which in turn sent back a message
indicating that the List needed to register, and so on and so on until, I
suppose, the Internet just blew up! Sheeze, some of these spam systems are
so brain dead!
Anyway, I've cleaned out all of the messages generated by this thing and
put in a permanent block from this cashette.com website so that this
shouldn't be a problem any longer.
Back to Airplane Discussions! :-)
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Come-on Michel, Why don't you put in a turbine and a 5 bladed prop!!!!
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Steve Zakreski wrote:
> > OK Michel...finish the picture off with the prop and spinner.
>
> Sir, yes Sir!
> (... scratch, scratch ... click, click ...)
>
> ... like this?
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose2.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> :-) Michel
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
Would love to find a KF IV with a 912S :-) long wing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
What is your cruise rpm, Kevin? I have a 912 Model 3 with the 4 wing. I can cruise
at 5000 rpm 98mph or 5300/105 or 5500/115...
My lift struts and gear legs are faired.
Steve M
N490PA
-----Original Message-----
From: kevin johnson [mailto:kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com]
Subject: Kitfox-List: Speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Kurt,
I thought there was something I missed here.
In October I was off list for some time, so this one was lost for me..
Well, been in the archive -and searched for "vortex & Kurt" - sure, found
lots of interesting stuff here.
I'll think this test is very much positive and informative!
This result prove your "perfect" airfoils!!
There is one thing we must not forget; those vortex generators, droped
leading edges or slats, wing fences, thick trailing edges, dogtooths or
sawtooths and alike, is used as a kind of last resort, just to clean up
for previous mistakes. They call those remedies "vacuum cleaners"..
This is very much what those "old" gurus is trying to tell us, however, or
use of this stuff is more or less in order to "extend or improve" the
original "specs" in certain areas for our airfoils.
Looking forward to see more reslult with the Vortex gen. at 17 degres.
(Liked your comment about the full power stall, I'll think this is
something everyone has to try if you haven't, cause this tell you pretty
much what the Fox is alike under such circumstances - on the edge. Do it
at altitude -and with a "Kitfox" instructor, if you prefer.)
Keep up the good work.. :)
Torgeir.
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:00:39 -0800 (PST), kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I think he did do "accellerated" stalls by doing them
> in turns, but not full power or high speed stalls. I
> agree that full power stalls can be wicked and must be
> done carefully if at all. I did not feel comfortable
> VG stall testing at full power either. The most I did
> was maybe 40% power stalls where I got down to 30
> knots indicated. The break was pretty sharp even with
> VG's.
>
> I believe the first 4 deaths in a KF were from 2
> takeoff stalls. Probably the desire to establish a
> solo climb rate (showing off) while dual is to blame,
> but I am guessing. Anyway, full power stalls can
> happen. "High speed" stalls are seldom reached
> outside of aerobatics. You have to be below
> maneuvering speed to avoid risk of damage too, so they
> are not really high speed anyway.
>
> These VG's are about the same number as I used. I
> couldn't count them all in the pics, but they were one
> set per rib/false rib, as mine were. His rib spacing
> may be different, but the wing count looked similar to
> mine.
>
> My spacing was closer for each pair - about 1" at the
> nose vice his 3", and so further apart between pairs.
>
> He placed them (the verticle parts) almost on the ribs
> where I placed them more in the valleys.
>
> His are definitely further back than mine were in
> either of 2 cord distances I tried. 3-4 inches
> further aft than mine. Also this wing is of greater
> forward camber than a KF. He has them at about his
> max camber. Mine were about half way up to max
> camber, our max camber being further aft.
>
> His VG's look bigger and of different shape than the
> manufactured ones I used.
>
> He is right about the stall and slow flight
> characteristics being better. Mine were too. No
> disappointment there. :-)
>
> I will do more testing in the future and hopefully
> find the magic spot for KF VG's. I really do want the
> slower stall speed for my off airport flying.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
>
>> This all sounds very interesting. I went to the web
>> site and was a little puzzled as to why the author
>> didn't do a high speed stall, he claims he
>> doesn't know aerobatics. Now correct me, doesn't
>> the high speed stall come with training for a pilot
>> license(mine did). You can correct me again by
>> saying maybe you don't need a pilot license with
>> this aircraft. If so, maybe this guy should be
>> careful. With all that he is doing with testing,
>> he should seek out more training? just an
>> observation, not trying to criticize.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Randy Daughenbaugh
>>
>> Kurt,
>> I value your testing of vortex generators. I was
>> disappointed with the results you got in your
>> recent tests. (But not your tests!)
>>
>> Here is a website that falls out of the Kolb list
>> that Torgeir alerted us to.
>>
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html
>>
>> At this web site they show a lot of closely spaced
>> VG's. I believe this is more and more closely
>> than what you tested. I don't know what the cord of
>> the Kolb wing is, but it seems that they are placed
>> further back than what is usually suggested.
>>
>> I am just selfishly trying to goad you into doing
>> more tests. (and reporting the results. (;-) )
>>
>> Randy
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Real nice!!
Incredible..
Cheers
Torgeir.
>
> Sir, yes Sir!
> (... scratch, scratch ... click, click ...)
>
> ... like this?
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/nose2.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> :-) Michel
>
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>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
sorry for the delayed response. here is my opinion of stall/spins
Stall/ spin Accidents account for many accidents for sure. The problem is
that stall/spin accidents dont just happen on their own very often. All of
these that I have been involved with are contributing factors (the final
result)to other problems like running out of gas or other engine failure and
trying to strech a glide to far or disorentation caused by IMC. There was
also one case where the aircraft was grosely overloaded. I have never seen
a case where a Stall/spin was the root cause of an accident. Not to say it
doesnt happen just that I have not seen it.
As for stall spin training, I beleave it should be required but that is
just my opinion. It should at least be strongly sugested
I still waiting for a response here,
Seems like a good time to talk about real flying now
Kind regards,
> < If you want to be a safe pilot, remember to
> > never stretch your fuel supply and stay out of the clouds if you and
your
> > ship are not IFR current. These are the two big killers of pilots.>
>
> What about stalls and spins? Do your reguations make pilots be
proficient
> in stalls ?
> stall on TO ?
> spins ?
> spirals?
>
> surely this is a large percentage of accidental data as well.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I will get a no wind day and use the GPS to determine the actual speed.
Thanks for the information. I thing mine is slow. I have a constant speed
prop from a Katana. I should be fast. I am heavy at about 685#. My IAS is
100MPH. Have you had to increase the length of the pitot tube? I did to get
mine out of the wake on the wing. It seams to work now. Maybe not completely
accurate at high speeds.
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| Subject: | Re: let me know what you think of my drawing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Rex sez:
>Michel, I think it's a bit different I see nothing wrong with it. I'd fly it!
Ah, but would you pose next to it for a photo? :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
P.S. Just kidding, Michel, it looks great!
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators. - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi ?,
Please sign your e-mails. I forget who you are by
addressees and I feel rude not using your name.
Sorry.
No problem. You weren't kicking as much as
appropriately questioning. Stalls and spins are
something to be respected, understood, and tamed IMHO.
If placed correctly, the VG's shouldn't reduce top
speed. Their boundry layer control on the wing can
off set their extra drag. In my case, I did have some
cruise speed loss with some VG positions.
Stalls can be made better - or worse. My testing with
the VG's indicated a much more controlable power off
stall with them on then with them off. The
improvement varied with position.
I actually enjoyed the rocking horse stalls I got with
them on and stalled down to 2000' agl, well below
normal testing altitude. The plane was completely
controllable with me able to do coordinated and
uncoordinated turns while stalled. I pushed maybe 50%
rudder each way without a hint of spinning. And with
a flick of the wrist for less elevator, the plane was
flying again - that quickly. It is very comfortable
to be within 5 knots of stall with them on.
I felt a stall recovery at anything above 50' agl is
not too hard. Below that, you need to flick your
wrist to unstall the plane and add power to not lose
altitude. Without the VG's, you'd be at greater risk.
All that I was pleased with. It was the lack of stall
speed reduction that frustrated me. I promise to do
more testing later.
I didn't do enough power on stalls to call the outcome
certain. I want to see some power off speed reduction
before I bother to test power on much. That is too
hard on the plane to do all the time, IMHO.
And I do hope that someone will find some results or
test a better position first. Though I didn't mind
doing some 50 stalls in that testing, I would like to
do it just once more in an effective position and get
on with other things. So if anyone wants to do some
research on their own... :-)
Torgier always finds good things for us on the net,
but you other guys can get into it too. There is a
lot of tallent here.
Great discussions here too!
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> I know I mentioned high speed stalls and I think the
> author did also. My apologies for kicking him
> on that one. I guess I was more inapt about the
> full throttle stall needing to be done, to simulate
> take off. I have a concern about using the
> stol kit and that is slowing to a speed that causes
> a stall without warning or not feeling a buffet when
> a stall happens thus cause you to drop out of
> the sky and fall to the ground. I believe an
> accident happened at Johnson creek involving a
> Cessna(I believe) that had stol installed and
crashed
> just short of the runway.
>
> The other question I have is top speed, will that
> suffer?
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