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1. 02:02 AM - flaperons (Floyd Smith)
2. 02:10 AM - More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! (Matt Dralle)
3. 04:01 AM - [off-topic] nose job (Michel Verheughe)
4. 05:24 AM - vortex generators (LeRoy staley)
5. 05:36 AM - Re: Speed again (Steve Magdic)
6. 05:39 AM - W/B (Glenn Horne)
7. 05:56 AM - Re: W/B (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
8. 06:25 AM - Re: W/B (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
9. 07:42 AM - Re: flaperons (customtrans@qwest.net)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Vortex Generators. - Kurt (customtrans@qwest.net)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: W/B (shortnaked)
12. 08:14 AM - Re: W/B (Tom Jones)
13. 09:12 AM - Re: Speed again (Aerobatics@aol.com)
14. 01:49 PM - Re: W/B (Torgeir Mortensen)
15. 02:14 PM - Re: W/B (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 02:20 PM - Fw: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
17. 02:27 PM - [Off-topic] Nose job (Michel Verheughe)
18. 02:56 PM - Re: Fw: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (Torgeir Mortensen)
19. 03:01 PM - Re: W/B (Tom Jones)
20. 03:26 PM - I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some (Rex & Jan Shaw)
21. 03:58 PM - Skystar, new update. (Torgeir Mortensen)
22. 04:02 PM - Re: W/B (Bruce Harrington)
23. 04:37 PM - Re: Fw: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
24. 04:44 PM - Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
25. 05:11 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox (Steve Zakreski)
26. 05:14 PM - Sure is peaceful again (Steve Zakreski)
27. 05:18 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some (kevin johnson)
28. 05:23 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some (kevin johnson)
29. 05:41 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox (Steve Zakreski)
30. 05:45 PM - Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (Torgeir Mortensen)
31. 05:59 PM - Re: W/B (Dee Young)
32. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (Tom Jones)
33. 07:01 PM - Re: parts (roger augenstein)
34. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: parts (Steve Zakreski)
35. 07:35 PM - Re: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (John King)
36. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: parts (jdmcbean)
37. 07:55 PM - Re: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (Randy Daughenbaugh)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Floyd Smith <duktapeguy@yahoo.com>
Hi Folks,
I am considerating the purchase of an avid IV but have
yet to fly one.
I am not certain my request is appropriate for this
share group but here goes. I have flown a td Stinson
for over 50 hrs during initial training, however, do
not have a td sign off since I finished the private
with a tri gear. I need some time in an Avid or KF
and I live in Stuart FL (east coast) . Can anyone
help with some right seat time for me and possibly td
instructor for the sign off?
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| Subject: | More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | [off-topic] nose job |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs@cox.net]
> Ah, but would you pose next to it for a photo? :-)
> P.S. Just kidding, Michel, it looks great!
I know you're kidding, Mike, but you made me laught this morning, when I read your
email. Nothing is better than starting the day with a good smile! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
I know there has been some talk about this product.
Has anyone tried the ones from Landshorter? Also how
much trouble to install and finess untill they
actually gave some benefit. How much did they help on
take off and landing? Did anyone experience any loss
of cruise speed?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
My pitot extends down about 4 inches from the underside of
the wing and ends about 2 inches from the leading edge. I
believe it's accurate.
Do the GPS test and give us a report.
Steve Magdic
N490PA
-----Original Message-----
From: kevin johnson [mailto:kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com]
Subject: Kitfox-List: Speed again
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I will get a no wind day and use the GPS to determine the actual speed.
Thanks for the information. I thing mine is slow. I have a constant speed
prop from a Katana. I should be fast. I am heavy at about 685#. My IAS is
100MPH. Have you had to increase the length of the pitot tube? I did to get
mine out of the wake on the wing. It seams to work now. Maybe not completely
accurate at high speeds.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
Pilot (me) 200 lb
Total weight 943 lb
I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
IAW construction manual.
Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let
me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures.
I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection
but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp.
Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va
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13:56:14,
Serialize complete at 30/11/2004 13:56:14
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Glenn
My Empty weights on my KF II with 582
Tail wheel 36
Left wheel 251
Right Wheel 253
Total Empty weight - 540 lb
Regards
Roger
"Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
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30/11/2004 03:35 PM
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Subject
Kitfox-List: W/B
Size: 5 Kb
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
Pilot (me) 200 lb
Total weight 943 lb
I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
IAW construction manual.
Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let
me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures.
I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection
but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp.
Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<< Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
Pilot (me) 200 lb
Total weight 943 lb
I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
IAW construction manual. >>
Glenn,
What are the weights on the left/right mains and tail wheels? Did the
weight and balance check out OK? I think the W/B should be done with the main
fuel tanks empty with fuel in the header only. Also with oil in the injection
system. Once the W/B is complete, you mathematically calculate (using the
moments provided in the instructions) the W/B for fuel/pilot/passenger.
With 943 total weight (fuel/pilot) and no passenger, It looks like you
built a single place airplane???
W/B was always a little confusing to me to say the least.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I'm a little confused, you say: I have flown a td Stinson
for over 50 hrs during initial training, however, do
not have a td sign off since I finished the private
with a tri gear.
I flew the kitfox for 28 hours during student status and got my td(I'm sure
that's for tail drager) endorsement before I could solo in the kitfox. I
finished up my private pilot in the Cessna and was still able to fly the
kitfox afterwards.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floyd Smith
Subject: Kitfox-List: flaperons
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Floyd Smith <duktapeguy@yahoo.com>
Hi Folks,
I am considerating the purchase of an avid IV but have
yet to fly one.
I am not certain my request is appropriate for this
share group but here goes. I have flown a td Stinson
for over 50 hrs during initial training, however, do
not have a td sign off since I finished the private
with a tri gear. I need some time in an Avid or KF
and I live in Stuart FL (east coast) . Can anyone
help with some right seat time for me and possibly td
instructor for the sign off?
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators. - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Sorry Kurt,
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators. - Kurt
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi ?,
Please sign your e-mails. I forget who you are by
addressees and I feel rude not using your name.
Sorry.
No problem. You weren't kicking as much as
appropriately questioning. Stalls and spins are
something to be respected, understood, and tamed IMHO.
If placed correctly, the VG's shouldn't reduce top
speed. Their boundry layer control on the wing can
off set their extra drag. In my case, I did have some
cruise speed loss with some VG positions.
Stalls can be made better - or worse. My testing with
the VG's indicated a much more controlable power off
stall with them on then with them off. The
improvement varied with position.
I actually enjoyed the rocking horse stalls I got with
them on and stalled down to 2000' agl, well below
normal testing altitude. The plane was completely
controllable with me able to do coordinated and
uncoordinated turns while stalled. I pushed maybe 50%
rudder each way without a hint of spinning. And with
a flick of the wrist for less elevator, the plane was
flying again - that quickly. It is very comfortable
to be within 5 knots of stall with them on.
I felt a stall recovery at anything above 50' agl is
not too hard. Below that, you need to flick your
wrist to unstall the plane and add power to not lose
altitude. Without the VG's, you'd be at greater risk.
All that I was pleased with. It was the lack of stall
speed reduction that frustrated me. I promise to do
more testing later.
I didn't do enough power on stalls to call the outcome
certain. I want to see some power off speed reduction
before I bother to test power on much. That is too
hard on the plane to do all the time, IMHO.
And I do hope that someone will find some results or
test a better position first. Though I didn't mind
doing some 50 stalls in that testing, I would like to
do it just once more in an effective position and get
on with other things. So if anyone wants to do some
research on their own... :-)
Torgier always finds good things for us on the net,
but you other guys can get into it too. There is a
lot of tallent here.
Great discussions here too!
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> I know I mentioned high speed stalls and I think the
> author did also. My apologies for kicking him
> on that one. I guess I was more inapt about the
> full throttle stall needing to be done, to simulate
> take off. I have a concern about using the
> stol kit and that is slowing to a speed that causes
> a stall without warning or not feeling a buffet when
> a stall happens thus cause you to drop out of
> the sky and fall to the ground. I believe an
> accident happened at Johnson creek involving a
> Cessna(I believe) that had stol installed and
crashed
> just short of the runway.
>
> The other question I have is top speed, will that
> suffer?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Glenn, I posted this a few weeks ago.
hope it helps you.
Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM's
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> after going over a model IV 1050 - I was test flying a drooptip on
> weekend.
> weights L 230 R 233 tail 63 with 6 gals of fuel and 2 litres of
oil
> 582 68 " GSC i re- pitched to 15 D and gettting static 6200 rpm
> (on climb you can get 6800 rpm if you not hanging it on the prop)
> EGT in climb 1000 t o 1100 F coolant 160 to 170 F
> Pilot 220 lbs
> temp about 40 F climb solo 1300 fpm
> Passenger 160 added
> Climb 1000 + fpm
>
> crusie 6000 rpm 95 mph coolant 160
> crusie 5000 rpm 74 mph.
>
> take off solo wind 0 - 5 mph 90d to runway 150 to 160 feet
> dual " " "
> 340 to 360 feet
>
> TO over 50 foot obstacle solo 500 feet
>
> both with zero flaps.
>
> how do these number co relate to others ?
>
> Hope this helps you all .
>
>
> Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
> Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
> I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
> Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
>
> Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
> Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
> Pilot (me) 200 lb
> Total weight 943 lb
>
> I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
> IAW construction manual.
>
> Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let
> me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures.
>
> I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection
> but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp.
> Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
Glenn,
Looks like you are under gross weight limit to me. Now get the computer
weight and balance program and do the rest of the job. It will print
out a professional weight and balance form and the inspector will be
impressed. You can find one on www.sportflight.com. Also, don't get
more than one person to help when you do the weighing, arm measurements
and calculations. There are a thousand ways to get the correct results
and you will go crazy with the different opinions your helpers will have.
Tom Jones, Classic 4, 546 pounds empty, Ellensburg WA
Glenn Horne wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
> Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
> I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
> Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
>
> Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
> Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
> Pilot (me) 200 lb
> Total weight 943 lb
>
> I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
> IAW construction manual.
>
> Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let
> me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures.
>
> I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection
> but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp.
> Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/2004 7:37:08 AM Central Standard Time,
steve.magdic@1psg.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
My pitot extends down about 4 inches from the underside of
the wing and ends about 2 inches from the leading edge. I
believe it's accurate.
Do the GPS test and give us a report.
Steve Magdic
N490PA
I have a KF 2 with a 582- 99 Blue Head with a 3 Bladed IVO Prop. Climb @55
to 60 MPH @ 6,200 to 6,300 RPM The Plane has open Tunda wheels but faired
lift struts...
A couple Days ago..... in 4 directions using a GPS avg out to 81.3 MPH My
Indicated @ was 85
My Pitot is 6.5 inches below the wing and about 1 inch from LE
Alt was 2,000 ft Temp 40 F RPM 5,700
Currently I am concidering fairing the wheels and gas caps with the hopes of
uping my cruise to 85 MPH....
Fun Stuff....
:-)
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Here is the numbers for my Kitfox model II, S/N: 462;
Datum is leading edge of wing.
Leveling means; Aircraft Cabin Floor.
Main wheel weighing point is (+) 2.7 " aft of datum (arm).
Measured distance from datum to the tail wheel centerline (+) 155.7 "
Pilot seat at 15.10 "
Header tank at - 15.00 " (located forward wing. hence - )
The baggage compartment in my Fox is at 60.00"
Max. gross weight is 950 pounds.
Actual Empty Weight.
Right main 244
Left main 246
Tailwheel 39
Total 529 (pounds)
Max. forward limit 10.20" and max. aft. limit 14.28"
----------------------------------------------------
CG Empty is:
Moment: (244 * 2.7)+(246 * 2.7)+(39 * 155.7)=7395.3
CG=moment/weight=7395.3/529=13.98 I.E. CG empty is at 13.98"
Then, most forward check:
Aft. Empty. 529 * 13.98= 7395.3
Pilot (me) 170 * 15.1 = 2567.0
Passenger -
Wing tanks -
Fwd. tank 8 * (-)15= -120.0
Baggage -
--------------------------------
Total 707 9742.3
Most Fwd. CG location: CG(f)=9742.3/707= 13.78 (")
Then, rearward check:
Aft. Empty. 529 * 13.98= 7395.3
Pilot (me) 170 * 15.1 = 2567.0
Passenger 165 * 15.1 = 2491.5
Wing tanks 57 * 14.0 = 798
Fwd. tank 19 *(-)15= -285.0
Baggage 10 * 60 = 600
--------------------------------
Total 950 13566.8
Most rearward CG location: CG(r)=13566.8/950= 14.28 (")
You'll see, my Fox is just at the aft CG limit when loaded like this.
Hope this help.
Torgeir.
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:35:11 -0500, Glenn Horne <glennflys@rcn.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
> Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
> I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
> Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
>
> Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
> Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
> Pilot (me) 200 lb
> Total weight 943 lb
>
> I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
> IAW construction manual.
>
> Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let
> me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures.
>
> I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection
> but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp.
> Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/04 8:15:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com writes:
<< Glenn,
Looks like you are under gross weight limit to me. Now get the computer
weight and balance program and do the rest of the job. It will print >>
Correct me if I'm wrong but Glenn was "just" under gross weight with pilot
and fuel "ONLY". Add a passenger and he just busted the limit???
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Fwd: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
To All,
The below comment just came in from Bing. I asked them about modifying the
Bing carb to allow operation on "gravity" fuel feed only. My question to them
is below their comment. Looks like a gravity flow system might be possible
with the bings. Wonder why someone hasn't tried this before?
***************************************************
<< We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats
(larger
holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5.
Respectfully,
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
To: <bingcarburetor@bingcarburetor.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:30 AM
Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
> Sir,
>
> I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing 54
> carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation.
> This has
> been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at
> higher
> RPM's.
> I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that you
> could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel at a
> lesser
> pressure. Did I understand this correctly?
> I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 will
> successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is
> somewhere in
> the 2.5 psi range??
> Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure at the
> carb.
> Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at 1 psi
> (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might lower
> the
> operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible.
> This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to
> commit
> to any liability due to this request for information.
>
> Thanks,
> Don Smythe
> Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582
> >>
From: "BING" <bingcarburetor@bingcarburetor.com>
Subject: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
format=flowed;
reply-type=original
We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats (larger
holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5.
Respectfully,
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
> Sir,
>
> I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing 54
> carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation.
> This has
> been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at
> higher
> RPM's.
> I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that you
> could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel at a
> lesser
> pressure. Did I understand this correctly?
> I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 will
> successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is
> somewhere in
> the 2.5 psi range??
> Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure at the
> carb.
> Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at 1 psi
> (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might lower
> the
> operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible.
> This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to
> commit
> to any liability due to this request for information.
>
> Thanks,
> Don Smythe
> Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582
>
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Nose job |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Howard Firm wrote:
> Come-on Michel, Why don't you put in a turbine and a 5 bladed prop!!!!
... is it legal? :-)
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Don,
Great job!!! :)
Eh. Why haven't you asked this question before?? :) :)
Torgeir.
Now it's time to order some real stuff.. 2 st. stuff..
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:19:53 EST, <AlbertaIV@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> To All,
> The below comment just came in from Bing. I asked them about modifying
> the
> Bing carb to allow operation on "gravity" fuel feed only. My question
> to them
> is below their comment. Looks like a gravity flow system might be
> possible
> with the bings. Wonder why someone hasn't tried this before?
>
> ***************************************************
>
> << We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats
> (larger
> holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5.
> Respectfully,
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <bingcarburetor@bingcarburetor.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:30 AM
> Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
>
>
> > Sir,
> >
> > I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing
> 54
> > carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation.
> > This has
> > been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at
> > higher
> > RPM's.
> > I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that
> you
> > could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel
> at a
> > lesser
> > pressure. Did I understand this correctly?
> > I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54
> will
> > successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is
> > somewhere in
> > the 2.5 psi range??
> > Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure
> at the
> > carb.
> > Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at
> 1 psi
> > (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might
> lower
> > the
> > operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible.
> > This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to
> > commit
> > to any liability due to this request for information.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Don Smythe
> > Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582
> > >>
>
> From: "BING" <bingcarburetor@bingcarburetor.com>
> To: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:49:07 -0600
> format=flowed;
> reply-type=original
>
> We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats
> (larger
> holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5.
> Respectfully,
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <bingcarburetor@bingcarburetor.com>
> Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
>
>
>> Sir,
>>
>> I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing 54
>> carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation.
>> This has
>> been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at
>> higher
>> RPM's.
>> I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that
>> you
>> could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel at a
>> lesser
>> pressure. Did I understand this correctly?
>> I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 will
>> successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is
>> somewhere in
>> the 2.5 psi range??
>> Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure at
>> the
>> carb.
>> Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at 1
>> psi
>> (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might lower
>> the
>> operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible.
>> This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to
>> commit
>> to any liability due to this request for information.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Don Smythe
>> Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
Yup, that's why we need to check weight and balance each time we load
the plane.
Tom Jones
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/30/04 8:15:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com writes:
>
> << Glenn,
> Looks like you are under gross weight limit to me. Now get the computer
> weight and balance program and do the rest of the job. It will print >>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but Glenn was "just" under gross weight with pilot
> and fuel "ONLY". Add a passenger and he just busted the limit???
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
Hi ! Kevin,
Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster
with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots
S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just
changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's
easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained
speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that
wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything
faired by the way.
Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and
neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are
cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from
prickles either.
Have fun !
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Skystar, new update. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Kitfox friends,
Just visited Skystar, our most important source, they are soon coming up
with a Jabiru power plant, also announcing a price increase -just for
information.
Skysrat is here:
http://www.skystar.com/
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Guys,
With old 582ed N194KF, I did weight & Balance for a bunch of possible
conditions.
Thus I knew I could carry me and a 200# passenger, full fuel, and full
baggage, and still be in CG range, even with near empty panel tank. I could
also carry a 240# passenger, and no baggage, and still be ok.
So I never had to do a W&B. Kept the spreadsheet with the fox in case any
questions.
I've done the same with Sonex N321SX.
Cheers,
bh
> Yup, that's why we need to check weight and balance each time we load
> the plane.
> Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/04 2:57:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
torgemor@online.no writes:
<< Hi Don,
Great job!!! :)
Eh. Why haven't you asked this question before?? :) :)
>>
I did,,,,,, about 4 years ago. That is when JR started his investigation of
running without a Mik pump. He went lean....With a larger inlet, that "MIGHT"
take care of the lean problem??
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Below is another comment from Bing regarding their Carbs. Does anyone have
any idea what he is talking about? ""Centrifugal force keeping fuel from the
carb""????
Don Smythe
<< There is always the possibility of centrifugal force keeping fuel from
your
carburetor.
Regards,
Charlie >>
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| Subject: | I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox |
owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> owner. I
would like some
Kevin
Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS?
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan
Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox
owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
Hi ! Kevin,
Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster
with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots
S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just
changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's
easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained
speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that
wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything
faired by the way.
Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and
neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are
cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from
prickles either.
Have fun !
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Sure is peaceful again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Hmm...sure is nice and polite on this list again...wonder what changed.
Let's do a head count. ;-)
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Below is another comment from Bing regarding their Carbs. Does anyone have
any idea what he is talking about? ""Centrifugal force keeping fuel from
the
carb""????
Don Smythe
<< There is always the possibility of centrifugal force keeping fuel from
your
carburetor.
Regards,
Charlie >>
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I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I need to use the GPS and get TAS but those are IAS.
Kevin, Candy and Seth Johnson
7473 Shaker Lane Apt B
Maineville, OH 45039
513-600-0950
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a
kitfox owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> owner.
I would like some
Kevin
Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS?
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan
Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox
owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
Hi ! Kevin,
Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster
with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots
S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just
changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's
easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained
speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that
wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything
faired by the way.
Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and
neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are
cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from
prickles either.
Have fun !
rexjan@bigpond.com
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I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
Do any of you have a heat box design. I put a muff on the end of the muffler
opposite the exhaust. It is not worm enough air. Volume is good. Forced air
from speed. I have added a long tunnel down the front to increases the
warming distance but have not tried it yet. Any other ideas? I used a
eyeball vent in the firewall for the inlet. I can shut it off or on from
there and direct the air flow.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a
kitfox owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> owner.
I would like some
Kevin
Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS?
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan
Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox
owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
Hi ! Kevin,
Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster
with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots
S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just
changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's
easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained
speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that
wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything
faired by the way.
Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and
neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are
cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from
prickles either.
Have fun !
rexjan@bigpond.com
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owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> owner. I
would like some
Heck, I don't think you are far off at 98 mph IAS. I'm getting about 105
mph TAS with my IV with a NSI and CAP Prop.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kevin
johnson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a
kitfox owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson"
<kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I need to use the GPS and get TAS but those are IAS.
Kevin, Candy and Seth Johnson
7473 Shaker Lane Apt B
Maineville, OH 45039
513-600-0950
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a
kitfox owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> owner.
I would like some
Kevin
Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS?
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan
Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox
owner. I would like some
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some
comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87
MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing
gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go
to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in
hearing all engine types
Hi ! Kevin,
Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster
with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots
S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just
changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's
easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained
speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that
wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything
faired by the way.
Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and
neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are
cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from
prickles either.
Have fun !
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Kitfox friends,
Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see.
This last summer has been the most fantastic ever, for me- with the Kitfox.
OK. Here is the first one, this one is from a flight done in March this
year, here you'll se "my" kind of terrain:
Here you can see out to the Northern Atlantic Sea, yes it's some cold..
http://www.kitfox.net/images/March_04.jpg
This other one, is from a rather famous place, as this is the island where
the warship; Tirpitz was sunken during the second world war, just between
those two islands.
http://www.kitfox.net/images/Haakoy.jpg
Well, this is my "home" airport, kind of large enough -for a Kitfox, 9800
feet. Can you see the Dash 8 on the short finale? The bridge you see right
below, is the one I'll have to cross everyday -on the way home.
http://www.kitfox.net/images/RH_BASE_19.jpg
This picture is from a fly in, the GAP meeting at Elvenes. Here you'll see
the "bush" group, two Kitfoxes and one army cub. This army Cub was the
leader, he guided us to the most fantastic places.
If you ever have a change to join such a flight, do it, you'll never
regret..
The left one, is my "buddy" Kitfox, a model 4(1050) with a 912S, then the
army Cub and finally my Kitfox model 2. We are both "guarding" the old
army Cub. :)
http://www.kitfox.net/images/DSC02269.JPG
Cheers
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Glen I will be home tomorrow and will try to get a W&B faxed ASAP.
Dee
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Need some help. Glenn Horne here.
I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual.
Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine.
Empty 581 lb. Little heavy.
Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb
Pilot (me) 200 lb
Total weight 943 lb
I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross
IAW construction manual.
Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let
me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures.
I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection
but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp.
Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
I would guess that he means that without a fuel pump, centrifugal force
during certain manuvers might cause the gravity flow to stop. Probably
harder to accomplish in reality than in theory.
Tom Jones
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Below is another comment from Bing regarding their Carbs. Does anyone have
> any idea what he is talking about? ""Centrifugal force keeping fuel from the
> carb""????
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
> << There is always the possibility of centrifugal force keeping fuel from
> your
> carburetor.
> Regards,
> Charlie >>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" <raugenstein@fuse.net>
Anyone know the address or name of the company that sell special parts for the
fox-door handles-strut covers,etc.
Thanks,
RogerKY
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Try http://www.blueskyaviation.net/home.html
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of roger
augenstein
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: parts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" <raugenstein@fuse.net>
Anyone know the address or name of the company that sell special parts for
the fox-door handles-strut covers,etc.
Thanks,
RogerKY
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Torgeir,
Very nice high resolution pictures. Do not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
>Hi Kitfox friends,
>
>Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see.
>
>This last summer has been the most fantastic ever, for me- with the Kitfox.
>
>OK. Here is the first one, this one is from a flight done in March this
>year, here you'll se "my" kind of terrain:
>
>Here you can see out to the Northern Atlantic Sea, yes it's some cold..
>
>http://www.kitfox.net/images/March_04.jpg
>
>This other one, is from a rather famous place, as this is the island where
>the warship; Tirpitz was sunken during the second world war, just between
>those two islands.
>
>http://www.kitfox.net/images/Haakoy.jpg
>
>Well, this is my "home" airport, kind of large enough -for a Kitfox, 9800
>feet. Can you see the Dash 8 on the short finale? The bridge you see right
>below, is the one I'll have to cross everyday -on the way home.
>
>http://www.kitfox.net/images/RH_BASE_19.jpg
>
>This picture is from a fly in, the GAP meeting at Elvenes. Here you'll see
>the "bush" group, two Kitfoxes and one army cub. This army Cub was the
>leader, he guided us to the most fantastic places.
>
>If you ever have a change to join such a flight, do it, you'll never
>regret..
>
>The left one, is my "buddy" Kitfox, a model 4(1050) with a 912S, then the
>army Cub and finally my Kitfox model 2. We are both "guarding" the old
>army Cub. :)
>
>http://www.kitfox.net/images/DSC02269.JPG
>
>Cheers
>
>Torgeir.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Let me know what your looking for off-list...
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of roger augenstein
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: parts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" <raugenstein@fuse.net>
Anyone know the address or name of the company that sell special parts for
the fox-door handles-strut covers,etc.
Thanks,
RogerKY
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Torgeir,
Great pictures!
That first one definitely looks some cold! Brrrrr,,,,,
Thanks!
Randy - N10NH
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Kitfox-List: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Kitfox friends,
Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see.
This last summer has been the most fantastic ever, for me- with the Kitfox.
OK. Here is the first one, this one is from a flight done in March this
year, here you'll se "my" kind of terrain:
Here you can see out to the Northern Atlantic Sea, yes it's some cold..
http://www.kitfox.net/images/March_04.jpg
This other one, is from a rather famous place, as this is the island where
the warship; Tirpitz was sunken during the second world war, just between
those two islands.
http://www.kitfox.net/images/Haakoy.jpg
Well, this is my "home" airport, kind of large enough -for a Kitfox, 9800
feet. Can you see the Dash 8 on the short finale? The bridge you see right
below, is the one I'll have to cross everyday -on the way home.
http://www.kitfox.net/images/RH_BASE_19.jpg
This picture is from a fly in, the GAP meeting at Elvenes. Here you'll see
the "bush" group, two Kitfoxes and one army cub. This army Cub was the
leader, he guided us to the most fantastic places.
If you ever have a change to join such a flight, do it, you'll never
regret..
The left one, is my "buddy" Kitfox, a model 4(1050) with a 912S, then the
army Cub and finally my Kitfox model 2. We are both "guarding" the old
army Cub. :)
http://www.kitfox.net/images/DSC02269.JPG
Cheers
Torgeir.
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