---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/30/04: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:02 AM - flaperons (Floyd Smith) 2. 02:10 AM - More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! (Matt Dralle) 3. 04:01 AM - [off-topic] nose job (Michel Verheughe) 4. 05:24 AM - vortex generators (LeRoy staley) 5. 05:36 AM - Re: Speed again (Steve Magdic) 6. 05:39 AM - W/B (Glenn Horne) 7. 05:56 AM - Re: W/B (r.thomas@za.pwc.com) 8. 06:25 AM - Re: W/B (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 9. 07:42 AM - Re: flaperons (customtrans@qwest.net) 10. 07:42 AM - Re: Vortex Generators. - Kurt (customtrans@qwest.net) 11. 07:44 AM - Re: W/B (shortnaked) 12. 08:14 AM - Re: W/B (Tom Jones) 13. 09:12 AM - Re: Speed again (Aerobatics@aol.com) 14. 01:49 PM - Re: W/B (Torgeir Mortensen) 15. 02:14 PM - Re: W/B (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 16. 02:20 PM - Fw: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 17. 02:27 PM - [Off-topic] Nose job (Michel Verheughe) 18. 02:56 PM - Re: Fw: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (Torgeir Mortensen) 19. 03:01 PM - Re: W/B (Tom Jones) 20. 03:26 PM - I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some (Rex & Jan Shaw) 21. 03:58 PM - Skystar, new update. (Torgeir Mortensen) 22. 04:02 PM - Re: W/B (Bruce Harrington) 23. 04:37 PM - Re: Fw: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 24. 04:44 PM - Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 25. 05:11 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox (Steve Zakreski) 26. 05:14 PM - Sure is peaceful again (Steve Zakreski) 27. 05:18 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some (kevin johnson) 28. 05:23 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some (kevin johnson) 29. 05:41 PM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox (Steve Zakreski) 30. 05:45 PM - Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (Torgeir Mortensen) 31. 05:59 PM - Re: W/B (Dee Young) 32. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 (Tom Jones) 33. 07:01 PM - Re: parts (roger augenstein) 34. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: parts (Steve Zakreski) 35. 07:35 PM - Re: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (John King) 36. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: parts (jdmcbean) 37. 07:55 PM - Re: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (Randy Daughenbaugh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:37 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NkOYRprkVE5FMuGIYahe9rADZzlc9Sac2Ceh+cQHoK/qPbOSoAw9HhuXQkqM2ngKOF7ig6U9nkJLilHBxsYffSZwqROUOEE9Y52zhMcZPiqyesED01A/yGooymF13H2Q6Cb1eh0/xXcNZb4DbT4Rm5+PpPQuz6d9RKXGUVWZZ2Y= ; From: Floyd Smith Subject: Kitfox-List: flaperons --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Floyd Smith Hi Folks, I am considerating the purchase of an avid IV but have yet to fly one. I am not certain my request is appropriate for this share group but here goes. I have flown a td Stinson for over 50 hrs during initial training, however, do not have a td sign off since I finished the private with a tri gear. I need some time in an Avid or KF and I live in Stuart FL (east coast) . Can anyone help with some right seat time for me and possibly td instructor for the sign off? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:13 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: More Lister Comments - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!!! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means two things... I'm 41 years old today - your sympathy is appreciated; and its the last official day of this year's List Fund Raiser!!! There is still plenty of time to make your Contribution to assure your place on the List of Contributors. Also, there are still lots of Contribution Gifts available including the very popular List Archive CDROM, Aircraft Fuel Tester, 24 Years of the RVAtor, and the very cool Kitlog Pro software! Below is another awesome set of comments from listers regarding how valuable the Lists are. Please read them over and make a Contribution to show your support for the Lists as well! The List Contribution web site can be found at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you!! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ------------ Even More of What Listers Are Saying... -------------- [The List] has been very helpful as I am building an RV7A. Stan B. Wonderful resource. Ralph C. I don't think I could be building my plane without the help I get from the list. Richard V. Invaluable to my Kolb building. Clay S. Best source of light aircraft electrical information any where. Dan O. Great service. Bjorn B. The lists are certainly worth it! Jim M. The Lists have been and continue to be a valuable tool. Jeff O. Exceptional service. Larry M. [The List] has been very helpful, informative and entertaining. Sterling B. Very helpful resource. Grant C. I don't think I could build my 601XL without the list. William G. Great service to the aviation community. John W. I have saved a ton of money in the operation of my [aircraft]. Lee P. Great contribution to builders everywhere! Tom E. [The List] is one of my nightly entertainments. Ross S. A great service and I hope you can keep it going! Bob O. My building support group. Richard V. Has made the operation of my aircraft much safer... Lee P. Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists]. Jeff O. I check the List twice daily at least. Anthony W. Thank you for taking care of us all with these most important Lists. William M. The List is very valuable to me... Red H. Great web site!! Robert H. Thanks for giving me another year of learning. Larry M. I don't think I'd have been able to get my project airborne without it! Grant C. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:06 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] nose job --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs@cox.net] > Ah, but would you pose next to it for a photo? :-) > P.S. Just kidding, Michel, it looks great! I know you're kidding, Mike, but you made me laught this morning, when I read your email. Nothing is better than starting the day with a good smile! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:32 AM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ePYyNzLXmSZXjKVNUSJYYcUZ6lcJzL83xxDczBX7JJiGhN7Zj55vwlww7fyvq19OeEjAZU0w3mv27M0tK7EdCWhqZ01/8R3S1vgKDLhGOes2yOwvXpYj6lcUXLwGd5enlnspbq++g2SxlUR4fl7Gngj3DJNGYQ9lmBQlHDcwcA4= ; From: LeRoy staley Subject: Kitfox-List: vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley I know there has been some talk about this product. Has anyone tried the ones from Landshorter? Also how much trouble to install and finess untill they actually gave some benefit. How much did they help on take off and landing? Did anyone experience any loss of cruise speed? __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Speed again From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" My pitot extends down about 4 inches from the underside of the wing and ends about 2 inches from the leading edge. I believe it's accurate. Do the GPS test and give us a report. Steve Magdic N490PA -----Original Message----- From: kevin johnson [mailto:kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com] Subject: Kitfox-List: Speed again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" I will get a no wind day and use the GPS to determine the actual speed. Thanks for the information. I thing mine is slow. I have a constant speed prop from a Katana. I should be fast. I am heavy at about 685#. My IAS is 100MPH. Have you had to increase the length of the pitot tube? I did to get mine out of the wake on the wing. It seams to work now. Maybe not completely accurate at high speeds. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:37 AM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Need some help. Glenn Horne here. I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb Pilot (me) 200 lb Total weight 943 lb I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross IAW construction manual. Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures. I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp. Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com 13:56:14, Serialize complete at 30/11/2004 13:56:14 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com Hi Glenn My Empty weights on my KF II with 582 Tail wheel 36 Left wheel 251 Right Wheel 253 Total Empty weight - 540 lb Regards Roger "Glenn Horne" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 30/11/2004 03:35 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To "Kitfox-List" cc Subject Kitfox-List: W/B Size: 5 Kb --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Need some help. Glenn Horne here. I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb Pilot (me) 200 lb Total weight 943 lb I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross IAW construction manual. Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures. I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp. Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:21 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com << Need some help. Glenn Horne here. I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb Pilot (me) 200 lb Total weight 943 lb I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross IAW construction manual. >> Glenn, What are the weights on the left/right mains and tail wheels? Did the weight and balance check out OK? I think the W/B should be done with the main fuel tanks empty with fuel in the header only. Also with oil in the injection system. Once the W/B is complete, you mathematically calculate (using the moments provided in the instructions) the W/B for fuel/pilot/passenger. With 943 total weight (fuel/pilot) and no passenger, It looks like you built a single place airplane??? W/B was always a little confusing to me to say the least. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:39 AM PST US From: customtrans@qwest.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: flaperons --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net I'm a little confused, you say: I have flown a td Stinson for over 50 hrs during initial training, however, do not have a td sign off since I finished the private with a tri gear. I flew the kitfox for 28 hours during student status and got my td(I'm sure that's for tail drager) endorsement before I could solo in the kitfox. I finished up my private pilot in the Cessna and was still able to fly the kitfox afterwards. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Floyd Smith Subject: Kitfox-List: flaperons --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Floyd Smith Hi Folks, I am considerating the purchase of an avid IV but have yet to fly one. I am not certain my request is appropriate for this share group but here goes. I have flown a td Stinson for over 50 hrs during initial training, however, do not have a td sign off since I finished the private with a tri gear. I need some time in an Avid or KF and I live in Stuart FL (east coast) . Can anyone help with some right seat time for me and possibly td instructor for the sign off? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:53 AM PST US From: customtrans@qwest.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators. - Kurt --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net Sorry Kurt, steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators. - Kurt --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi ?, Please sign your e-mails. I forget who you are by addressees and I feel rude not using your name. Sorry. No problem. You weren't kicking as much as appropriately questioning. Stalls and spins are something to be respected, understood, and tamed IMHO. If placed correctly, the VG's shouldn't reduce top speed. Their boundry layer control on the wing can off set their extra drag. In my case, I did have some cruise speed loss with some VG positions. Stalls can be made better - or worse. My testing with the VG's indicated a much more controlable power off stall with them on then with them off. The improvement varied with position. I actually enjoyed the rocking horse stalls I got with them on and stalled down to 2000' agl, well below normal testing altitude. The plane was completely controllable with me able to do coordinated and uncoordinated turns while stalled. I pushed maybe 50% rudder each way without a hint of spinning. And with a flick of the wrist for less elevator, the plane was flying again - that quickly. It is very comfortable to be within 5 knots of stall with them on. I felt a stall recovery at anything above 50' agl is not too hard. Below that, you need to flick your wrist to unstall the plane and add power to not lose altitude. Without the VG's, you'd be at greater risk. All that I was pleased with. It was the lack of stall speed reduction that frustrated me. I promise to do more testing later. I didn't do enough power on stalls to call the outcome certain. I want to see some power off speed reduction before I bother to test power on much. That is too hard on the plane to do all the time, IMHO. And I do hope that someone will find some results or test a better position first. Though I didn't mind doing some 50 stalls in that testing, I would like to do it just once more in an effective position and get on with other things. So if anyone wants to do some research on their own... :-) Torgier always finds good things for us on the net, but you other guys can get into it too. There is a lot of tallent here. Great discussions here too! Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > I know I mentioned high speed stalls and I think the > author did also. My apologies for kicking him > on that one. I guess I was more inapt about the > full throttle stall needing to be done, to simulate > take off. I have a concern about using the > stol kit and that is slowing to a speed that causes > a stall without warning or not feeling a buffet when > a stall happens thus cause you to drop out of > the sky and fall to the ground. I believe an > accident happened at Johnson creek involving a > Cessna(I believe) that had stol installed and crashed > just short of the runway. > > The other question I have is top speed, will that > suffer? __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:11 AM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Glenn, I posted this a few weeks ago. hope it helps you. Original Message ----- From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 RPM's > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" > > after going over a model IV 1050 - I was test flying a drooptip on > weekend. > weights L 230 R 233 tail 63 with 6 gals of fuel and 2 litres of oil > 582 68 " GSC i re- pitched to 15 D and gettting static 6200 rpm > (on climb you can get 6800 rpm if you not hanging it on the prop) > EGT in climb 1000 t o 1100 F coolant 160 to 170 F > Pilot 220 lbs > temp about 40 F climb solo 1300 fpm > Passenger 160 added > Climb 1000 + fpm > > crusie 6000 rpm 95 mph coolant 160 > crusie 5000 rpm 74 mph. > > take off solo wind 0 - 5 mph 90d to runway 150 to 160 feet > dual " " " > 340 to 360 feet > > TO over 50 foot obstacle solo 500 feet > > both with zero flaps. > > how do these number co relate to others ? > > Hope this helps you all . > > > Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" > > Need some help. Glenn Horne here. > I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. > Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. > > Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. > Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb > Pilot (me) 200 lb > Total weight 943 lb > > I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross > IAW construction manual. > > Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let > me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures. > > I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection > but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp. > Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:04 AM PST US From: Tom Jones Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones Glenn, Looks like you are under gross weight limit to me. Now get the computer weight and balance program and do the rest of the job. It will print out a professional weight and balance form and the inspector will be impressed. You can find one on www.sportflight.com. Also, don't get more than one person to help when you do the weighing, arm measurements and calculations. There are a thousand ways to get the correct results and you will go crazy with the different opinions your helpers will have. Tom Jones, Classic 4, 546 pounds empty, Ellensburg WA Glenn Horne wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" > > Need some help. Glenn Horne here. > I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. > Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. > > Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. > Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb > Pilot (me) 200 lb > Total weight 943 lb > > I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross > IAW construction manual. > > Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let > me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures. > > I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection > but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp. > Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:23 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Speed again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/2004 7:37:08 AM Central Standard Time, steve.magdic@1psg.com writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" My pitot extends down about 4 inches from the underside of the wing and ends about 2 inches from the leading edge. I believe it's accurate. Do the GPS test and give us a report. Steve Magdic N490PA I have a KF 2 with a 582- 99 Blue Head with a 3 Bladed IVO Prop. Climb @55 to 60 MPH @ 6,200 to 6,300 RPM The Plane has open Tunda wheels but faired lift struts... A couple Days ago..... in 4 directions using a GPS avg out to 81.3 MPH My Indicated @ was 85 My Pitot is 6.5 inches below the wing and about 1 inch from LE Alt was 2,000 ft Temp 40 F RPM 5,700 Currently I am concidering fairing the wheels and gas caps with the hopes of uping my cruise to 85 MPH.... Fun Stuff.... :-) Dave ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Here is the numbers for my Kitfox model II, S/N: 462; Datum is leading edge of wing. Leveling means; Aircraft Cabin Floor. Main wheel weighing point is (+) 2.7 " aft of datum (arm). Measured distance from datum to the tail wheel centerline (+) 155.7 " Pilot seat at 15.10 " Header tank at - 15.00 " (located forward wing. hence - ) The baggage compartment in my Fox is at 60.00" Max. gross weight is 950 pounds. Actual Empty Weight. Right main 244 Left main 246 Tailwheel 39 Total 529 (pounds) Max. forward limit 10.20" and max. aft. limit 14.28" ---------------------------------------------------- CG Empty is: Moment: (244 * 2.7)+(246 * 2.7)+(39 * 155.7)=7395.3 CG=moment/weight=7395.3/529=13.98 I.E. CG empty is at 13.98" Then, most forward check: Aft. Empty. 529 * 13.98= 7395.3 Pilot (me) 170 * 15.1 = 2567.0 Passenger - Wing tanks - Fwd. tank 8 * (-)15= -120.0 Baggage - -------------------------------- Total 707 9742.3 Most Fwd. CG location: CG(f)=9742.3/707= 13.78 (") Then, rearward check: Aft. Empty. 529 * 13.98= 7395.3 Pilot (me) 170 * 15.1 = 2567.0 Passenger 165 * 15.1 = 2491.5 Wing tanks 57 * 14.0 = 798 Fwd. tank 19 *(-)15= -285.0 Baggage 10 * 60 = 600 -------------------------------- Total 950 13566.8 Most rearward CG location: CG(r)=13566.8/950= 14.28 (") You'll see, my Fox is just at the aft CG limit when loaded like this. Hope this help. Torgeir. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:35:11 -0500, Glenn Horne wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" > > Need some help. Glenn Horne here. > I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. > Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. > > Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. > Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb > Pilot (me) 200 lb > Total weight 943 lb > > I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross > IAW construction manual. > > Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let > me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures. > > I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection > but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp. > Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:43 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/04 8:15:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com writes: << Glenn, Looks like you are under gross weight limit to me. Now get the computer weight and balance program and do the rest of the job. It will print >> Correct me if I'm wrong but Glenn was "just" under gross weight with pilot and fuel "ONLY". Add a passenger and he just busted the limit??? Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:17 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Fwd: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com To All, The below comment just came in from Bing. I asked them about modifying the Bing carb to allow operation on "gravity" fuel feed only. My question to them is below their comment. Looks like a gravity flow system might be possible with the bings. Wonder why someone hasn't tried this before? *************************************************** << We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats (larger holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5. Respectfully, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 > Sir, > > I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing 54 > carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation. > This has > been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at > higher > RPM's. > I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that you > could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel at a > lesser > pressure. Did I understand this correctly? > I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 will > successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is > somewhere in > the 2.5 psi range?? > Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure at the > carb. > Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at 1 psi > (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might lower > the > operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible. > This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to > commit > to any liability due to this request for information. > > Thanks, > Don Smythe > Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582 > >> From: "BING" Subject: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 format=flowed; reply-type=original We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats (larger holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5. Respectfully, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 > Sir, > > I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing 54 > carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation. > This has > been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at > higher > RPM's. > I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that you > could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel at a > lesser > pressure. Did I understand this correctly? > I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 will > successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is > somewhere in > the 2.5 psi range?? > Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure at the > carb. > Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at 1 psi > (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might lower > the > operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible. > This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to > commit > to any liability due to this request for information. > > Thanks, > Don Smythe > Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582 > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:57 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] Nose job --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Howard Firm wrote: > Come-on Michel, Why don't you put in a turbine and a 5 bladed prop!!!! ... is it legal? :-) Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fwd: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Don, Great job!!! :) Eh. Why haven't you asked this question before?? :) :) Torgeir. Now it's time to order some real stuff.. 2 st. stuff.. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:19:53 EST, wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > To All, > The below comment just came in from Bing. I asked them about modifying > the > Bing carb to allow operation on "gravity" fuel feed only. My question > to them > is below their comment. Looks like a gravity flow system might be > possible > with the bings. Wonder why someone hasn't tried this before? > > *************************************************** > > << We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats > (larger > holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5. > Respectfully, > Charlie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:30 AM > Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 > > > > Sir, > > > > I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing > 54 > > carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation. > > This has > > been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at > > higher > > RPM's. > > I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that > you > > could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel > at a > > lesser > > pressure. Did I understand this correctly? > > I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 > will > > successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is > > somewhere in > > the 2.5 psi range?? > > Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure > at the > > carb. > > Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at > 1 psi > > (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might > lower > > the > > operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible. > > This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to > > commit > > to any liability due to this request for information. > > > > Thanks, > > Don Smythe > > Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582 > > >> > > From: "BING" > To: > Subject: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:49:07 -0600 > format=flowed; > reply-type=original > > We would replace the float needle seats with the gravity feed seats > (larger > holes), there are several sizes, you would probably want the 2.5. > Respectfully, > Charlie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 > > >> Sir, >> >> I'm interested in researching a possible modification to the Bing 54 >> carbs on my aircraft to allow for "gravity" fuel flow only operation. >> This has >> been tried once by a friend only to have the fuel mixture go lean at >> higher >> RPM's. >> I asked Bing this question once before and "think" I was told that >> you >> could enlarge the fuel inlet area of the Bing 54 to allow more fuel at a >> lesser >> pressure. Did I understand this correctly? >> I have not been able to find the minimum pressure that a Bing 54 will >> successfully operate. Can you provide this to me? I think it is >> somewhere in >> the 2.5 psi range?? >> Using round numbers, I have about 1 psi of gravity flow pressure at >> the >> carb. >> Is there is some "safe" method to modify the Bing 54 to operate at 1 >> psi >> (gravity) fuel pressure? My concern is, such a modification might lower >> the >> operating pressure to a point that flooding might be more possible. >> This is just a discussion at this time and I'm not asking Bing to >> commit >> to any liability due to this request for information. >> >> Thanks, >> Don Smythe >> Kitfox Classic IV W/ 582 >> > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:43 PM PST US From: Tom Jones Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones Yup, that's why we need to check weight and balance each time we load the plane. Tom Jones AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/30/04 8:15:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com writes: > > << Glenn, > Looks like you are under gross weight limit to me. Now get the computer > weight and balance program and do the rest of the job. It will print >> > > Correct me if I'm wrong but Glenn was "just" under gross weight with pilot > and fuel "ONLY". Add a passenger and he just busted the limit??? > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:13 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87 MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in hearing all engine types Hi ! Kevin, Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything faired by the way. Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from prickles either. Have fun ! rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:30 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar, new update. From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Kitfox friends, Just visited Skystar, our most important source, they are soon coming up with a Jabiru power plant, also announcing a price increase -just for information. Skysrat is here: http://www.skystar.com/ Torgeir. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:56 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Guys, With old 582ed N194KF, I did weight & Balance for a bunch of possible conditions. Thus I knew I could carry me and a 200# passenger, full fuel, and full baggage, and still be in CG range, even with near empty panel tank. I could also carry a 240# passenger, and no baggage, and still be ok. So I never had to do a W&B. Kept the spreadsheet with the fox in case any questions. I've done the same with Sonex N321SX. Cheers, bh > Yup, that's why we need to check weight and balance each time we load > the plane. > Tom Jones ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:27 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fwd: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 11/30/04 2:57:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, torgemor@online.no writes: << Hi Don, Great job!!! :) Eh. Why haven't you asked this question before?? :) :) >> I did,,,,,, about 4 years ago. That is when JR started his investigation of running without a Mik pump. He went lean....With a larger inlet, that "MIGHT" take care of the lean problem?? Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:41 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Below is another comment from Bing regarding their Carbs. Does anyone have any idea what he is talking about? ""Centrifugal force keeping fuel from the carb""???? Don Smythe << There is always the possibility of centrifugal force keeping fuel from your carburetor. Regards, Charlie >> ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:45 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Kevin Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS? SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87 MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in hearing all engine types Hi ! Kevin, Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything faired by the way. Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from prickles either. Have fun ! rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:28 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: Kitfox-List: Sure is peaceful again --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Hmm...sure is nice and polite on this list again...wonder what changed. Let's do a head count. ;-) SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Below is another comment from Bing regarding their Carbs. Does anyone have any idea what he is talking about? ""Centrifugal force keeping fuel from the carb""???? Don Smythe << There is always the possibility of centrifugal force keeping fuel from your carburetor. Regards, Charlie >> ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:28 PM PST US From: "kevin johnson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" I need to use the GPS and get TAS but those are IAS. Kevin, Candy and Seth Johnson 7473 Shaker Lane Apt B Maineville, OH 45039 513-600-0950 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Kevin Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS? SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87 MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in hearing all engine types Hi ! Kevin, Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything faired by the way. Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from prickles either. Have fun ! rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:23 PM PST US From: "kevin johnson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" Do any of you have a heat box design. I put a muff on the end of the muffler opposite the exhaust. It is not worm enough air. Volume is good. Forced air from speed. I have added a long tunnel down the front to increases the warming distance but have not tried it yet. Any other ideas? I used a eyeball vent in the firewall for the inlet. I can shut it off or on from there and direct the air flow. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Kevin Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS? SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87 MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in hearing all engine types Hi ! Kevin, Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything faired by the way. Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from prickles either. Have fun ! rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:31 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Heck, I don't think you are far off at 98 mph IAS. I'm getting about 105 mph TAS with my IV with a NSI and CAP Prop. SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kevin johnson Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" I need to use the GPS and get TAS but those are IAS. Kevin, Candy and Seth Johnson 7473 Shaker Lane Apt B Maineville, OH 45039 513-600-0950 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski owner. I would like some Kevin Are those speeds IAS or TAS from a GPS? SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw Subject: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I would like some comment on speeds of others. I have a classic 4 with a 912 and get about 87 MPH with out speed mods. I have recently done the wing struts and landing gear and now get about 98 MPH. I am about to get rid of the tundra's and go to 600 X 6 and wheel pants. What are others running? I am interested in hearing all engine types Hi ! Kevin, Rex Shaw here from Australia. I have a ClassicIV Speedster with the laminar flow wing. My motor is a Rotax 582. I get around 95 knots S&L. Re changing your wheels, before you do that have you considered just changing those buffed down ATV tyres rather than the wheels and brakes. It's easier and I think looks better. I also think there is nothing to be gained speedwise but perhaps someone else thinks otherwise. I would suggest that wheel pants are about all that might help there. I have them and everything faired by the way. Re those tyres I put on 4 ply turf tyres. They are a little smaller and neater looking. The tread is mild. You can get tubes for them and they are cheap. I think the size was 18 x 6.50 x 8. They don't get punctures from prickles either. Have fun ! rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:29 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Kitfox friends, Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see. This last summer has been the most fantastic ever, for me- with the Kitfox. OK. Here is the first one, this one is from a flight done in March this year, here you'll se "my" kind of terrain: Here you can see out to the Northern Atlantic Sea, yes it's some cold.. http://www.kitfox.net/images/March_04.jpg This other one, is from a rather famous place, as this is the island where the warship; Tirpitz was sunken during the second world war, just between those two islands. http://www.kitfox.net/images/Haakoy.jpg Well, this is my "home" airport, kind of large enough -for a Kitfox, 9800 feet. Can you see the Dash 8 on the short finale? The bridge you see right below, is the one I'll have to cross everyday -on the way home. http://www.kitfox.net/images/RH_BASE_19.jpg This picture is from a fly in, the GAP meeting at Elvenes. Here you'll see the "bush" group, two Kitfoxes and one army cub. This army Cub was the leader, he guided us to the most fantastic places. If you ever have a change to join such a flight, do it, you'll never regret.. The left one, is my "buddy" Kitfox, a model 4(1050) with a 912S, then the army Cub and finally my Kitfox model 2. We are both "guarding" the old army Cub. :) http://www.kitfox.net/images/DSC02269.JPG Cheers Torgeir. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:42 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Glen I will be home tomorrow and will try to get a W&B faxed ASAP. Dee Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Horne Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Need some help. Glenn Horne here. I did my weight/balance IAW the construction manual. Kitfox Model II with Rotax 582 engine. Empty 581 lb. Little heavy. Full fuel 27 gal. 162 lb Pilot (me) 200 lb Total weight 943 lb I'm 7 lb under gross. (950) lb's is gross IAW construction manual. Some of you list pilots that have the same Kitfox please let me know if I'm all wrong. Show me some of your figures. I talk to the FAA yesterday and they are ready to do my inspection but I need to get the W/B done correct. Heeeeeeeelp. Glenn Horne -Suffolk, Va ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:02 PM PST US From: Tom Jones Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing 54 on Rotax 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones I would guess that he means that without a fuel pump, centrifugal force during certain manuvers might cause the gravity flow to stop. Probably harder to accomplish in reality than in theory. Tom Jones AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > Below is another comment from Bing regarding their Carbs. Does anyone have > any idea what he is talking about? ""Centrifugal force keeping fuel from the > carb""???? > > Don Smythe > > > << There is always the possibility of centrifugal force keeping fuel from > your > carburetor. > Regards, > Charlie >> > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:33 PM PST US From: "roger augenstein" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: parts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" Anyone know the address or name of the company that sell special parts for the fox-door handles-strut covers,etc. Thanks, RogerKY ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:56 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: parts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Try http://www.blueskyaviation.net/home.html SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of roger augenstein Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: parts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" Anyone know the address or name of the company that sell special parts for the fox-door handles-strut covers,etc. Thanks, RogerKY ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:53 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Torgeir, Very nice high resolution pictures. Do not Archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA Torgeir Mortensen wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen > >Hi Kitfox friends, > >Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see. > >This last summer has been the most fantastic ever, for me- with the Kitfox. > >OK. Here is the first one, this one is from a flight done in March this >year, here you'll se "my" kind of terrain: > >Here you can see out to the Northern Atlantic Sea, yes it's some cold.. > >http://www.kitfox.net/images/March_04.jpg > >This other one, is from a rather famous place, as this is the island where >the warship; Tirpitz was sunken during the second world war, just between >those two islands. > >http://www.kitfox.net/images/Haakoy.jpg > >Well, this is my "home" airport, kind of large enough -for a Kitfox, 9800 >feet. Can you see the Dash 8 on the short finale? The bridge you see right >below, is the one I'll have to cross everyday -on the way home. > >http://www.kitfox.net/images/RH_BASE_19.jpg > >This picture is from a fly in, the GAP meeting at Elvenes. Here you'll see >the "bush" group, two Kitfoxes and one army cub. This army Cub was the >leader, he guided us to the most fantastic places. > >If you ever have a change to join such a flight, do it, you'll never >regret.. > >The left one, is my "buddy" Kitfox, a model 4(1050) with a 912S, then the >army Cub and finally my Kitfox model 2. We are both "guarding" the old >army Cub. :) > >http://www.kitfox.net/images/DSC02269.JPG > >Cheers > >Torgeir. > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:22 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: parts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Let me know what your looking for off-list... Blue Skies John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of roger augenstein Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: parts --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" Anyone know the address or name of the company that sell special parts for the fox-door handles-strut covers,etc. Thanks, RogerKY ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:33 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Torgeir, Great pictures! That first one definitely looks some cold! Brrrrr,,,,, Thanks! Randy - N10NH . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir Mortensen Subject: Kitfox-List: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Kitfox friends, Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see. This last summer has been the most fantastic ever, for me- with the Kitfox. OK. Here is the first one, this one is from a flight done in March this year, here you'll se "my" kind of terrain: Here you can see out to the Northern Atlantic Sea, yes it's some cold.. http://www.kitfox.net/images/March_04.jpg This other one, is from a rather famous place, as this is the island where the warship; Tirpitz was sunken during the second world war, just between those two islands. http://www.kitfox.net/images/Haakoy.jpg Well, this is my "home" airport, kind of large enough -for a Kitfox, 9800 feet. Can you see the Dash 8 on the short finale? The bridge you see right below, is the one I'll have to cross everyday -on the way home. http://www.kitfox.net/images/RH_BASE_19.jpg This picture is from a fly in, the GAP meeting at Elvenes. Here you'll see the "bush" group, two Kitfoxes and one army cub. This army Cub was the leader, he guided us to the most fantastic places. If you ever have a change to join such a flight, do it, you'll never regret.. The left one, is my "buddy" Kitfox, a model 4(1050) with a 912S, then the army Cub and finally my Kitfox model 2. We are both "guarding" the old army Cub. :) http://www.kitfox.net/images/DSC02269.JPG Cheers Torgeir. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/