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1. 12:02 AM - Oh So Many Great Comments... (Matt Dralle)
2. 12:32 AM - Re: Skystar, new update. (FlyCyOZ@aol.com)
3. 01:21 AM - SV: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:10 AM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I w... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 03:50 AM - Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. I w... (kevin johnson)
6. 03:07 PM - Re: vortex generators (kurt schrader)
7. 04:04 PM - Re: repost -- on topic Real flying stuff (Bill Pleso)
8. 04:26 PM - Re: repost -- on topic Real flying stuff (kirk hull)
9. 04:33 PM - Re: W/B (Glenn Horne)
10. 05:18 PM - Re: W/B (Bruce Harrington)
11. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt (kurt schrader)
12. 08:51 PM - Weight and Balance Kitfox Model IV Speedspeedster (Jimmie Blackwell)
13. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Oh So Many Great Comments... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
As I write this its still November 30th so technically the List Fund Raiser
is still underway! :-) I've gotten so many nice comments from Listers in
the last couple of days along with their Contributions that I just had to
share them with the Lists. Guys, I really appreciate the kind words and
great support that has come in the last few days.
If you've been meaning to support your Lists this month but have just been
putting it off until the last absolute minute, now's a perfect time to make
that Contribution!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
A special thank you to everyone that has already shown their support. I'm
compiling the List of Contributors and will post it in a couple days. In
the meantime, please read over some of the nice things people have been
saying about the List along with their Contribution...
Thank you!!!
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
-------------- A Ton More Nice Comments ----------------
The number of times I've used the list (especially the
archives) to answer a question I have definitely makes my
contribution worth it.
Jordan G.
This list sure paves the way to a smoother building process.
Tim B.
Really enjoy the list and look forward to it every day.
Darren F.
Love the list, great diversion at work...
Rich C.
The [List] community much appreciates your well run list server.
Donald K.
Good list.
Graham H.
...a wonderful service!
Jon C.
I should be building when I'm reading the list but I have
to keep up with what's going on.
Jerry I.
...fills in the gap between building and flying.
Jerry B.
It's how I start my day.
Randy R.
Keep up the this GREAT resource.
Tom H.
Keeps me in the loop while my airplane is down for a while.
Tim G.
wonderful service...
Andrew J.
...an indispensable tool in building my airplane.
Mark K.
...such a great service.
Rex S.
I'm hooked.
Jerry I.
[The List] makes building a lot easier and more fun!
Eugene H.
Great list!
Sam P.
Its nice to be ad free...
Terry S.
Its an excellent list.
Jim G.
What a tremendous resource...
Bob C.
A great help and an excellent service.
Darren F.
Great service...
Patrick F.
I am an information junkie, and the list gives me my fix every day!
Mark S.
Much useful information is exchanged.
Graham H.
An exceptional resource...
Neal G.
This list is a valuable tool for me.
Grant F.
...such a valuable resource.
Kevin B.
Really enjoy the List...
Michael W.
...such a great tool!
John L.
I have been done building my plane for three years now. I still
get valuable information from this List.
Don N.
Better than the soaps at times!
Jerry I.
Thanks for a huge archive of information.
Paul D.
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar, new update. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: FlyCyOZ@aol.com
> Just visited Skystar, our most important source, they are soon coming up
> with a Jabiru power plant, also announcing a price increase -just for
> information.
>
I hope thay build a cowl & firwall to match it..............I've had to
modify mine to fit the Jabiru 3300 engine.
Cheers from OZ
cy
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| Subject: | Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> Sent: 2004-12-01 02:47:55 CET
> Thought I've to send some picture from the North, for everyone to see.
Beautiful, Torgeir! I'll just have to come one day with my Kitfox to Tromso. Next
summer, I plan to fly to Belgium but ... the year after ... expect my visit!
:-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. |
I w...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/04 5:24:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com writes:
<<
Do any of you have a heat box design. I put a muff on the end of the muffler
opposite the exhaust. It is not worm enough air. Volume is good. Forced air
from speed. I have added a long tunnel down the front to increases the >>
I built one and had a flow problem but plenty of heat. I fixed the flow
problem by moving the scoop more fwd and into the cowl opening in the front.
Sounds like your flow is OK.
I cut a two horseshoe shaped pieces of 1/8" alum that would fit half way
around the muffler. They were about 1" wide ("U") to allow a 1" space around
the muffler. I placed them about 9" apart and covered with thinner alum. On
the inside, I put three 1" wide X 7" long alum plates to act as baffles and a
scat tube fitting at the input/output. Oh, covered the ends of the ("U") to
hold the air in. Strap the device onto the muffler with a long screw type
hose clamp.
I have heard that putting some brass kitchen scouring pad inside the
cavity will help to increase the heat but I haven't tried that.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | I am a new member to this forum but I am a kitfox owner. |
I w...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kevin johnson" <kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com>
I like the scouring bad idea. I will try that. It makes it like a radiator.
They may solve my problem.
Kevin, Candy and Seth Johnson
7473 Shaker Lane Apt B
Maineville, OH 45039
513-600-0950
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am a new member to this forum but I am a
kitfox owner. I w...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/04 5:24:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kjohnson3568@cinci.rr.com writes:
<<
Do any of you have a heat box design. I put a muff on the end of the
muffler
opposite the exhaust. It is not worm enough air. Volume is good. Forced air
from speed. I have added a long tunnel down the front to increases the >>
I built one and had a flow problem but plenty of heat. I fixed the flow
problem by moving the scoop more fwd and into the cowl opening in the front.
Sounds like your flow is OK.
I cut a two horseshoe shaped pieces of 1/8" alum that would fit half way
around the muffler. They were about 1" wide ("U") to allow a 1" space
around
the muffler. I placed them about 9" apart and covered with thinner alum.
On
the inside, I put three 1" wide X 7" long alum plates to act as baffles and
a
scat tube fitting at the input/output. Oh, covered the ends of the ("U") to
hold the air in. Strap the device onto the muffler with a long screw type
hose clamp.
I have heard that putting some brass kitchen scouring pad inside the
cavity will help to increase the heat but I haven't tried that.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Leroy,
Landshorter helped me even though I didn't buy from
them. Great service!
I've tried 6 locations so far and the jury is still
out on my results, (no stall reduction) so I'll have
to let someone else who got good results answer.
It took me about 1.5 hrs to install the VG's each
time. More testing to follow in '05.
Kurt S.
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--- LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know there has been some talk about this product.
> Has anyone tried the ones from Landshorter? Also how
> much trouble to install and finess untill they
> actually gave some benefit. How much did they help
> on
> take off and landing? Did anyone experience any loss
> of cruise speed?
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http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: repost -- on topic Real flying stuff |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
I await to hear some opposed to stal and spin training cause it not gonna
happen to them.
Kirk,
My wife and I were fortunate to get our training at a flight school that
REALLY stresses safety (I'd like to give them a plug, but I don't know if
that is allowed). I wish I had a nickle for every stall we did (all types).
From what I have heard, most flight schools teach you about spin recovery,
but we actually did a spin (3 times). It's something that you can't
describe, you have to actually experience it. I feel that having actually
done a spin, I won't be as likely to panic if it ever (God forbid) happens
unintentionally. We also went up in IMC. There's a BIG difference between
being under a hood and being in the clouds. Two weeks after my wife got her
ticket, she had to make a deadstick landing. I was so proud of how well she
handled it and contribute her cool headedness to our training on how to
handle emergencies. You can't imagine how I felt to watch her enter her
downwind leg and all of a sudden the engine quits! Those kinds of things
don't only happen to "other poeple". Be safe and have fun.
Bill
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| Subject: | repost -- on topic Real flying stuff |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Bill
Im glad to hear that you found a good flight school that went the extra
mile. And I agree 100% that it probably did contribute to her successful
completion of a dead stick landing. Hopefully you will be able to use the
same instructor for your bi-anual to brush up on those manuvers.
good luck with your flying. I have to go as the sun finally came out today
and I feel the urge to go flying.
-
Kirk,
My wife and I were fortunate to get our training at a flight school that
REALLY stresses safety (I'd like to give them a plug, but I don't know if
that is allowed). I wish I had a nickle for every stall we did (all types).
From what I have heard, most flight schools teach you about spin recovery,
but we actually did a spin (3 times). It's something that you can't
describe, you have to actually experience it. I feel that having actually
done a spin, I won't be as likely to panic if it ever (God forbid) happens
unintentionally. We also went up in IMC. There's a BIG difference between
being under a hood and being in the clouds. Two weeks after my wife got her
ticket, she had to make a deadstick landing. I was so proud of how well she
handled it and contribute her cool headedness to our training on how to
handle emergencies. You can't imagine how I felt to watch her enter her
downwind leg and all of a sudden the engine quits! Those kinds of things
don't only happen to "other poeple". Be safe and have fun.
Bill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Hi Bruce,
I see your Fox is a Model IV can carry more weight than
mine (Model II gross 950 lbs.) I and my son are figureing the W/B
all kind of ways so we know just what we can carry.
Thanks,
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Guys,
With old 582ed N194KF, I did weight & Balance for a bunch of possible
conditions.
Thus I knew I could carry me and a 200# passenger, full fuel, and full
baggage, and still be in CG range, even with near empty panel tank. I could
also carry a 240# passenger, and no baggage, and still be ok.
So I never had to do a W&B. Kept the spreadsheet with the fox in case any
questions.
I've done the same with Sonex N321SX.
Cheers,
bh
> Yup, that's why we need to check weight and balance each time we load
> the plane.
> Tom Jones
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Glenn,
Yes, the old N194KF is an IV-1200, gw = 1200#! Empty was 575#.
Sonex is not quite as good, GW = 1150#, empty = 635#, but it's so fast I now
make day trips instead of overnites with camp out!
Cheers,
bh
> Hi Bruce,
> I see your Fox is a Model IV can carry more weight than
> mine (Model II gross 950 lbs.) I and my son are figureing the W/B
> all kind of ways so we know just what we can carry.
> Thanks,
> Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va.
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Torgier,
Missed you back them too.
To me, VG's are like flaps. They are things that let
me change a "cruise wing" into a "landing wing". I
always planned to put them on my Fox to expand the
envelope for more utility (read fun). Same with
fairings. I like to go faster and slower than
designed into the "vanilla" flavored planes.
Part of the playing for me is to be able to do more
with it. A little smaller runway. A little farther
on the fuel/time available. A little smoother flying
or more gentle stall. Snappier performance. All of
that is a goal or challenge to keep me thinking and
building, not just flying.
Things to look forward to when I am old. Oh, that's
now. :-0
So many years ago I learned to fly an A-4 at full
power, in buffet, hanging on the edge, steering with
rudders, and holding the wings level cross controlled
for max lift and slowest speed.... You tried to get
behind the other guy because the one behind gets to
"shoot the other down". It was fun! A-4's have VG's
and flaps and slots.
Kurt S.
--- Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
>
> I thought there was something I missed here.
>
> In October I was off list for some time, so this one
> was lost for me..
>
> Well, been in the archive -and searched for "vortex
> & Kurt" - sure, found lots of interesting stuff
here.
>
> I'll think this test is very much positive and
> informative!
>
> This result prove your "perfect" airfoils!!
>
> There is one thing we must not forget; those vortex
> generators, droped leading edges or slats, wing
> fences, thick trailing edges, dogtooths or
> sawtooths and alike, is used as a kind of last
> resort, just to clean up for previous mistakes.
> They call those remedies "vacuum cleaners"..
>
> This is very much what those "old" gurus is trying
> to tell us, however, or use of this stuff is more
> or less in order to "extend or improve" the
> original "specs" in certain areas for our airfoils.
>
> Looking forward to see more reslult with the Vortex
> gen. at 17 degres.
>
> (Liked your comment about the full power stall, I'll
> think this is something everyone has to try
> if you haven't, cause this tell you pretty
> much what the Fox is alike under such circumstances
> - on the edge. Do it at altitude -and with a
> "Kitfox" instructor, if you prefer.)
>
> Keep up the good work.. :)
>
>
> Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Weight and Balance Kitfox Model IV Speedspeedster |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Plan to install the Grove gear tomorrow and planning to use the Sportflight.com
program for computing the new weight and balance. This program looks pretty
straight forward. Are there any issues or oddities that I should be concerned
about?
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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