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1. 02:01 AM - Test ?? (Torgeir Mortensen)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
3. 05:39 AM - gas springs (Bob Unternaehrer)
4. 07:01 AM - Re: gas springs (Fox5flyer)
5. 07:11 AM - Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04 (N53dw@aol.com)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: Test ?? (customtrans@qwest.net)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: Test ?? (Michel Verheughe)
9. 09:23 AM - Torque spec (David Savener)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: VXA 700 Hand Held (Ted Palamarek)
11. 10:49 AM - Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? (jdmcbean)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: gas springs (Don Pearsall)
13. 11:04 AM - Apology to ladies on list (EMAproducts@aol.com)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: Apology to ladies on list (Cory Emberson)
15. 11:17 AM - Re: VXA 700 Hand Held (Jimmie Blackwell)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: VXA 700 Hand Held (shortnaked)
17. 11:43 AM - WT & Bal forms (EMAproducts@aol.com)
18. 01:57 PM - Re: VXA 700 Hand Held (Jimmie Blackwell)
19. 03:28 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04- VXA 700 from Vertex (Stu Bryant)
20. 04:30 PM - Re: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. (Torgeir Mortensen)
21. 04:47 PM - Re: SV: Skystar, new update. (Torgeir Mortensen)
22. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04- VXA 700 from Vertex (Jimmie Blackwell)
23. 06:04 PM - Sport Aviation article (Roger McConnell)
24. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt (Torgeir Mortensen)
25. 08:08 PM - Re: Sport Aviation article (Jose M. Toro)
26. 08:44 PM - Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
27. 08:57 PM - Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? (jdmcbean)
28. 10:22 PM - Re: Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Do nt archeive.
Is there any life out there ??
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Hello Randy,
I have had this problem with a few engines over the years. The choke is
typically a butterfly valve plate in the carb throat. My wife's Toyota Camry
had this problem with its throttle plate (no carb here, but same type of
mechanism in a tight bore). The Camry problem is fixed by cleaning the plenum
-freeing it of dirt build up. Temperature is a factor too. You may want to look
at limiting how far the choke can close. Chokes don't need to close totally
to be effective.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
www.mcmastercarr.com also has a very complete line of gas springs. I have one out of a BV nose wheel i'd be glad to pass on, but don't know what good one would do and it's pretty heavy, but small. rated 90 lbs, but takes 120 to break away and i'm sure that's way to heavy for Kitfox doors.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
After trying several, I use 30 pounders which are perfect for my S5 with
acrylic bubble doors. Ensure you install them upside down though. Resevoir
on top. Otherwise they'll slam all the way to the top and you won't have
any damping in that last few inches.
Darrel
> www.mcmastercarr.com also has a very complete line of gas springs. I have
one out of a BV nose wheel i'd be glad to pass on, but don't know what good
one would do and it's pretty heavy, but small. rated 90 lbs, but takes 120
to break away and i'm sure that's way to heavy for Kitfox doors.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Choke Sticking ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
John,
This carburetor doesn't have a butterfly valve, but rather What they call a
starting carburetor that meters air and fuel for starting.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <KITFOXZ@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
>
> Hello Randy,
>
> I have had this problem with a few engines over the years. The choke is
> typically a butterfly valve plate in the carb throat. My wife's Toyota
Camry
> had this problem with its throttle plate (no carb here, but same type of
> mechanism in a tight bore). The Camry problem is fixed by cleaning the
plenum
> -freeing it of dirt build up. Temperature is a factor too. You may want
to look
> at limiting how far the choke can close. Chokes don't need to close
totally
> to be effective.
>
> John P. Marzluf
> Columbus, Ohio
> Outback, (out back in the garage)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: N53dw@aol.com
Yeah, I'd read about guys buying 60 lb. springs, but these doors just don't
need that. The Guden Springs are 30 lb. and that seems to be plenty strong.
Danny Williamson
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
Thanks for the info......I got a gas strut from Pep Boys for only $25 bucks
and it's so stiff I'm afraid it's going to bust off my door hinges. Series
IV 1050
pete
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
no just builders.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Kitfox-List: Test ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Do nt archeive.
Is there any life out there ??
Torgeir.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Is there any life out there ??
No.
You are the only one left on earth. We all departed yesterday in a spaceship
while you were asleep. You can now fly your Kitfox out of Tromso without
bothering to call the tower, or any other ATC service, for the matter. Have fun!
(End of pre-recorded message)
The lonely galactic hitchhiker
:-) do not archive
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Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:19:22 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
There are 8 bolts that hold my C model gear reduction unit on my 582. Four outside
and four inside the C Box.
What torque value should I use when installing my C Drive?
I can't seem to find it in my Rotax Book!!
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| Subject: | VXA 700 Hand Held |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Jimmie
I seem to recall something about the VXA700 being able to
switch to the narrow channel spacing. Could that be a
contributor to the problem?? Other than that I don't have
anything else to offer. I was actually thinking of getting
the 700 but will stick with my old ICOM for the time being.
Have you talked to the tech rep about the problem??
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
Ted
I have tried using the internal mike and with my headset and
adapter that
came with the VXA700. Same result. It sounds to me like
the unit is off
frequency.
I have several other Yeasu units for my Ham Radio hobby and
have always been
pleased. My understanding is that Vertex Standard and Yeasu
are the same
company.
Also I just found several Web sites that are complaining
about the
AM/aircraft transmit audio on the VXA 700
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
<temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Jimmie
>
> Are you using it with an external microphone or the
internal
> mic that is imbedded in the unit?? If external then
perhaps
> your wiring is not correct. If internal, then try speaking
> into the mic at different distances i.e. try close up ---
> lips one inch away then lengthen to about five inches
> away --- does that make a difference. I have used the
marine
> Vertex Standard hand helds and they always worked fine
using
> the internal mic.
>
> Ted
> Edmonton.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
Of
> Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> About a year ago I bought a VXA 700 from Vertex
> Standard. Never used it until a few weeks ago and
> discovered that the aircraft band transmit audio was
> unreadable. Sent it back to the factory for repair and
got
> it back to today. Same problem, no one can understand
when
> I transmit.
>
> Wondering if anyone else has had this problem with the VXA
> 700.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 Choke Sticking ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Randy,
Do you have the original Series 5 or 6 choke ??
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
When ever my Fox sits for a week or two (which has been happening way too
often lately) the choke sticks. Once you break it loose it is fine, but I
nearly tear the panel off tugging on it to break it loose. I thought for a
long time that it was in the cables or cable housing some place, but this
last time I checked all the cable and it was fine, but it took pliers to
actually turn the choke arm on the carb.
As I understand it, the choke is just a valve that opens up another path way
for gas to get to the engine. This seems to lead to the conclusion that the
valve is sticking. (?)
Anybody else experience this with the Bing 64?
Randy - Series 5/7, 912S
.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Another good source of gas springs is any RV/Motor home supply store, like
Camping World. They always have a rack full of gas springs in all strength
ratings, and they are all $19.95 each.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas springs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
After trying several, I use 30 pounders which are perfect for my S5 with
acrylic bubble doors. Ensure you install them upside down though. Resevoir
on top. Otherwise they'll slam all the way to the top and you won't have
any damping in that last few inches.
Darrel
> www.mcmastercarr.com also has a very complete line of gas springs. I have
one out of a BV nose wheel i'd be glad to pass on, but don't know what good
one would do and it's pretty heavy, but small. rated 90 lbs, but takes 120
to break away and i'm sure that's way to heavy for Kitfox doors.
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| Subject: | Apology to ladies on list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Ladies,
Please accept my apology for not including you in my offer for the weight
and balance form. I know those on the list of both sexes who know me
personally realize this was one of those "brain dead moments." I know we have
many
ladies either building, assisting building or flying the KitFox aircraft, and
many many other aircraft. Some of my most enjoyable flying was with a female
Captain many years ago on 737s.
Elbie
Elbie H. Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Apology to ladies on list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
No harm, no foul! :-)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
EMAproducts@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Apology to ladies on list
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Ladies,
Please accept my apology for not including you in my offer for the weight
and balance form. I know those on the list of both sexes who know me
personally realize this was one of those "brain dead moments." I know we
have many
ladies either building, assisting building or flying the KitFox aircraft,
and
many many other aircraft. Some of my most enjoyable flying was with a
female
Captain many years ago on 737s.
Elbie
Elbie H. Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: VXA 700 Hand Held |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I talked to the Tech folks at Vertex before I sent it to them for repair.
They told me that they could fix it, but it still has the same problem. The
web site I found indicates that it may be a design problem.
Will do a follow up with the list after I talk to Vertex on Monday.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Jimmie
>
> I seem to recall something about the VXA700 being able to
> switch to the narrow channel spacing. Could that be a
> contributor to the problem?? Other than that I don't have
> anything else to offer. I was actually thinking of getting
> the 700 but will stick with my old ICOM for the time being.
> Have you talked to the tech rep about the problem??
>
> Ted Palamarek
> Edmonton, Ab
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
>
> Ted
>
> I have tried using the internal mike and with my headset and
> adapter that
> came with the VXA700. Same result. It sounds to me like
> the unit is off
> frequency.
>
> I have several other Yeasu units for my Ham Radio hobby and
> have always been
> pleased. My understanding is that Vertex Standard and Yeasu
> are the same
> company.
>
> Also I just found several Web sites that are complaining
> about the
> AM/aircraft transmit audio on the VXA 700
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> <temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > Are you using it with an external microphone or the
> internal
> > mic that is imbedded in the unit?? If external then
> perhaps
> > your wiring is not correct. If internal, then try speaking
> > into the mic at different distances i.e. try close up ---
> > lips one inch away then lengthen to about five inches
> > away --- does that make a difference. I have used the
> marine
> > Vertex Standard hand helds and they always worked fine
> using
> > the internal mic.
> >
> > Ted
> > Edmonton.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
> Of
> > Jimmie
> > Blackwell
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > About a year ago I bought a VXA 700 from Vertex
> > Standard. Never used it until a few weeks ago and
> > discovered that the aircraft band transmit audio was
> > unreadable. Sent it back to the factory for repair and
> got
> > it back to today. Same problem, no one can understand
> when
> > I transmit.
> >
> > Wondering if anyone else has had this problem with the VXA
> > 700.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> >
> > ===========
> > ===========
> > Contributions
> > other
> > ===========
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > ===========
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VXA 700 Hand Held |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
ICOM best bang for $ imo
sorry bout your troubles.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I talked to the Tech folks at Vertex before I sent it to them for repair.
> They told me that they could fix it, but it still has the same problem.
The
> web site I found indicates that it may be a design problem.
>
> Will do a follow up with the list after I talk to Vertex on Monday.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
<temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > I seem to recall something about the VXA700 being able to
> > switch to the narrow channel spacing. Could that be a
> > contributor to the problem?? Other than that I don't have
> > anything else to offer. I was actually thinking of getting
> > the 700 but will stick with my old ICOM for the time being.
> > Have you talked to the tech rep about the problem??
> >
> > Ted Palamarek
> > Edmonton, Ab
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > I have tried using the internal mike and with my headset and
> > adapter that
> > came with the VXA700. Same result. It sounds to me like
> > the unit is off
> > frequency.
> >
> > I have several other Yeasu units for my Ham Radio hobby and
> > have always been
> > pleased. My understanding is that Vertex Standard and Yeasu
> > are the same
> > company.
> >
> > Also I just found several Web sites that are complaining
> > about the
> > AM/aircraft transmit audio on the VXA 700
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> > <temco@telusplanet.net>
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > > Are you using it with an external microphone or the
> > internal
> > > mic that is imbedded in the unit?? If external then
> > perhaps
> > > your wiring is not correct. If internal, then try speaking
> > > into the mic at different distances i.e. try close up ---
> > > lips one inch away then lengthen to about five inches
> > > away --- does that make a difference. I have used the
> > marine
> > > Vertex Standard hand helds and they always worked fine
> > using
> > > the internal mic.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > > Edmonton.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Jimmie
> > > Blackwell
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > About a year ago I bought a VXA 700 from Vertex
> > > Standard. Never used it until a few weeks ago and
> > > discovered that the aircraft band transmit audio was
> > > unreadable. Sent it back to the factory for repair and
> > got
> > > it back to today. Same problem, no one can understand
> > when
> > > I transmit.
> > >
> > > Wondering if anyone else has had this problem with the VXA
> > > 700.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > >
> > > ===========
> > > ===========
> > > Contributions
> > > other
> > > ===========
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > > ===========
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ===========
> > ===========
> > Contributions
> > other
> > ===========
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > ===========
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: EMAproducts@aol.com
Fellow builders, pilots and assistants!
If you want a copy of my generic Wt & Bal form please contact me off list.
No need plugging up list for those who aren't interested. By far most requests
have came from off list,
Thanks,
Elbie
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| Subject: | Re: VXA 700 Hand Held |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I agree with you. The ICOM is a good unit. I bought the VXA 700 because
it has aircraft and Ham radio capability. It is kind of fun to do some ham
work at about 3000'. However, this radio may not do the job.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> ICOM best bang for $ imo
> sorry bout your troubles.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > I talked to the Tech folks at Vertex before I sent it to them for
repair.
> > They told me that they could fix it, but it still has the same problem.
> The
> > web site I found indicates that it may be a design problem.
> >
> > Will do a follow up with the list after I talk to Vertex on Monday.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> <temco@telusplanet.net>
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > > I seem to recall something about the VXA700 being able to
> > > switch to the narrow channel spacing. Could that be a
> > > contributor to the problem?? Other than that I don't have
> > > anything else to offer. I was actually thinking of getting
> > > the 700 but will stick with my old ICOM for the time being.
> > > Have you talked to the tech rep about the problem??
> > >
> > > Ted Palamarek
> > > Edmonton, Ab
> > >
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > > I have tried using the internal mike and with my headset and
> > > adapter that
> > > came with the VXA700. Same result. It sounds to me like
> > > the unit is off
> > > frequency.
> > >
> > > I have several other Yeasu units for my Ham Radio hobby and
> > > have always been
> > > pleased. My understanding is that Vertex Standard and Yeasu
> > > are the same
> > > company.
> > >
> > > Also I just found several Web sites that are complaining
> > > about the
> > > AM/aircraft transmit audio on the VXA 700
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> > > <temco@telusplanet.net>
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > >
> > > > Are you using it with an external microphone or the
> > > internal
> > > > mic that is imbedded in the unit?? If external then
> > > perhaps
> > > > your wiring is not correct. If internal, then try speaking
> > > > into the mic at different distances i.e. try close up ---
> > > > lips one inch away then lengthen to about five inches
> > > > away --- does that make a difference. I have used the
> > > marine
> > > > Vertex Standard hand helds and they always worked fine
> > > using
> > > > the internal mic.
> > > >
> > > > Ted
> > > > Edmonton.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > Jimmie
> > > > Blackwell
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: VXA 700 Hand Held
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > About a year ago I bought a VXA 700 from Vertex
> > > > Standard. Never used it until a few weeks ago and
> > > > discovered that the aircraft band transmit audio was
> > > > unreadable. Sent it back to the factory for repair and
> > > got
> > > > it back to today. Same problem, no one can understand
> > > when
> > > > I transmit.
> > > >
> > > > Wondering if anyone else has had this problem with the VXA
> > > > 700.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ===========
> > > > ===========
> > > > Contributions
> > > > other
> > > > ===========
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > > > ===========
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ===========
> > > ===========
> > > Contributions
> > > other
> > > ===========
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > > ===========
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04- VXA 700 from |
Vertex
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
Jimmie,
What are you using to listen to your Vertex to determine how it sounds? Are
you using one of your ham HT's? Make sure they are in AM mode if so! Of
course the best test is from an aircraft radio a good distance away. Too
close and you can overload the front end of the receiver making the test
less than valid.
Yaesu has indeed acquired Standard Vertex, and they are in general an superb
brand before and after the acquisition.
History: http://www.vxstd.com/en/company/history.html
Stu Bryant
73 de KD6NEM
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| Subject: | Re: Some inspiration, or just nice thing to come. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi There, John, Randy and Michel
Thanks!
They are "shoth" with my small Sony DSC-P92 (5 M pixel), and very handy to
carry.
Michel, -you're most wellcome.
Torgeir.
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar, new update. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Srange, my finger must have slipped.
Torgeir.
> Hum! ... an interesting typo in the above text, Torgeir! Are you sure it
> wasn't intentional? :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04- VXA 700 |
from Vertex
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Stu
I have tested it with 3 different aircraft radios. My observation so far is
that if the receiver is tuned 25khz below the VXA 700 transmit display
frequency the audio is clear. So I suppose the VXA transmitter is
transmitting a little lower than the display frequency.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/03/04- VXA 700
from Vertex
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> What are you using to listen to your Vertex to determine how it sounds?
Are
> you using one of your ham HT's? Make sure they are in AM mode if so! Of
> course the best test is from an aircraft radio a good distance away. Too
> close and you can overload the front end of the receiver making the test
> less than valid.
>
> Yaesu has indeed acquired Standard Vertex, and they are in general an
superb
> brand before and after the acquisition.
> History: http://www.vxstd.com/en/company/history.html
>
> Stu Bryant
> 73 de KD6NEM
>
>
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
To all listers,
We have a celebrity on our list now. I just finished reading a real nice
article about four aircraft that embark on a trip to the land of the
midnight sun. Our friend Torgeir is mention in this article. A very well
written piece by Peter Schnieder.
Roger Mac
N619RM
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Kurt,
Have been reading all about your testing on the Matronics browser.
This one is kind of strange, nothing "seems" to compare with others exp.,
also could not see any real difference in installation or other details.
There is one "big" difference -I've been thinking about, the flapperon.
The flapperon make the difference, hence the flapperon is not a part of
the main wing, but is just a separate foil just lifting or pulling down at
the main wings at the trailing edge. So, I'll think adding flap in a Fox
(with vorties installed) is not as effective as with an ordinary flap
system, since such system move the pressure center backward and increase
the effective wing area.
In other word, adding flap with the flapperon system is less effective as
the lift component from the flap is "as before", in addition, the large
drag factor from a deployed flapperon. This will at last be true on my
Fox, a model II with "much" shorter distance between the main and the tail
wheel, -and the much smaller flapperon.
I've been reading someplace that; "large wing should have large vortex
generators", referred to the foil thickness and effective speed.
Maybe another test could be done, but this time with a "light" aircraft
-in order to see if there is any improvement in this configuration, it
should be..
There is another thing to note, when seeing various installation (on the
web), quite a few of them have "large" bumps in between the ribs. Such
bumps decrease the wings effectiveness and create parasite drag. In stall
vortex generators on such a wing and see the difference.
The best "improvement" (when thinking about stall speed), is found on
"vortex" converted high speed foils, while other profiles only see (1 - 3)
Kts improvement. This thing makes you wonder.
There is a few questions, well just two; did you get a change to check the
AOA? Those "profile" (foil) testing I've seen increased the alpha angle
around 8 degrees with vortex generators installed.
Next, was there a particular reason that you did not install the vortex
generators in the "inner" wing area?
Another interesting thing is; when they finally find a layout for the
vortex, that work good, they'll start to remove them to see how few that
can make the trick without loosing to much of the top speed. Then they add
some more "trick" to get back what is lost in the high end.
Humm., sure -me too, like to fly slower but not with that high nose. :)
Cheers
Torgeir.
Here is some vortex links, for those interessted.
http://user.mc.net/~amrd/VGNETP1A.html
http://www.airshowfan.com/researchaircraftn.html
http://www.skylinesolar.com/vortexgenerators.htm
http://www.cubcrafters.com/cc/products/vortexgenerators.asp
http://www.pnwaero.com/Kitfox.htm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Roger:
Where was published that article???
Jose
Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
To all listers,
We have a celebrity on our list now. I just finished reading a real nice
article about four aircraft that embark on a trip to the land of the
midnight sun. Our friend Torgeir is mention in this article. A very well
written piece by Peter Schnieder.
Roger Mac
N619RM
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| Subject: | 912 Choke Sticking ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Gee, that's a tough one John. I have the series 7 firewall foreward and am
not sure whether the choke came with that or the original series 5 kit.
It is the one with two cables going to a ring at the panel. ???
The problem is definitely with the carbs, not the cable though. The cables
work smoothly. Both chokes seem to seize at the same rate (over a couple
weeks), but once broken free, work fine.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Randy,
Do you have the original Series 5 or 6 choke ??
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
When ever my Fox sits for a week or two (which has been happening way too
often lately) the choke sticks. Once you break it loose it is fine, but I
nearly tear the panel off tugging on it to break it loose. I thought for a
long time that it was in the cables or cable housing some place, but this
last time I checked all the cable and it was fine, but it took pliers to
actually turn the choke arm on the carb.
As I understand it, the choke is just a valve that opens up another path way
for gas to get to the engine. This seems to lead to the conclusion that the
valve is sticking. (?)
Anybody else experience this with the Bing 64?
Randy - Series 5/7, 912S
.
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| Subject: | 912 Choke Sticking ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
That is the Series 7 choke system.. Typically works well. I had a similar
situation on another aircraft... I re-checked the nuts on the side of the
choke to make sure they were not over tightened... removed the cable and
installed new cable.. problem went away.... Found a burr in the cable..
sometimes it would catch sometimes not..
Sounds like you have isolated to the carbs... Not likely that both carbs
would act the exact same way... Common link would be the cable.. Have you
disconnected one carb ??
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Gee, that's a tough one John. I have the series 7 firewall foreward and am
not sure whether the choke came with that or the original series 5 kit.
It is the one with two cables going to a ring at the panel. ???
The problem is definitely with the carbs, not the cable though. The cables
work smoothly. Both chokes seem to seize at the same rate (over a couple
weeks), but once broken free, work fine.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Randy,
Do you have the original Series 5 or 6 choke ??
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Choke Sticking ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
When ever my Fox sits for a week or two (which has been happening way too
often lately) the choke sticks. Once you break it loose it is fine, but I
nearly tear the panel off tugging on it to break it loose. I thought for a
long time that it was in the cables or cable housing some place, but this
last time I checked all the cable and it was fine, but it took pliers to
actually turn the choke arm on the carb.
As I understand it, the choke is just a valve that opens up another path way
for gas to get to the engine. This seems to lead to the conclusion that the
valve is sticking. (?)
Anybody else experience this with the Bing 64?
Randy - Series 5/7, 912S
.
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators - Kurt |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Torgier,
Well, you sure did a good bit of research here. I
read thru the references you provided with interest.
I wish more exact info was given on the VG positions
used. I note some were much more forward and some
much more aft in the pics provided. This is in part
what I will continue to test with, particularily more
aft, but with maybe one test more forward from my
origional positions to test a theory of mine. The
leading edge geometry is very criticle to the way the
plane stalls. Best VG position and VG size may depend
on the individual aircraft leading edge geometry.
The electornic plasma VG's were interesting. The
frequency and power required were not provided though.
Some responces to your points:
1. Yes, I think the flapperons "fight" with the wing
rather than modify its airflow. But their advantage
is that they are very effective at low speeds and in
the wing stall. But I agree, they add more drag too.
2. VG's on a wing with plain flaps will create
vortex's over the flaps too. As you point out, the
VG's don't do much for the flapperons.
3. For me, about 1200 lbs is the lightest I can test
at, without further help from Dr Atkins. If that is
what you meant by "light aircraft"?
4. Bump wings and high speed airfoils - This is what
I mean by leading edge geometry. A nice uniform
leading edge at least up to the VG's will make them
more effective IMHO. Our rib and fabric airfoils can
vary considerably between planes and VG effectiveness.
5. I turned off the AOA so as not to anticipate the
stall and void the results. If the AOA had changed by
anywhere near 8 degrees though, I would have noticed
that easily by looking outside. I could put a
protractor to my AOA in the future and see what angle
change the probe makes from cruise to stall,
calibrated with and without the VG's to get a pretty
accurate measure of the difference.
6. I did not install the VG's on the inner wing for
all but one test so as to have a pregressive stall and
plenty of warning. Basically the wing was covered by
VG's up to the wing tanks. I tried both different
positions and different amounts of VG's. The
illistration of staggered VG's - further back on the
inner protion to cause a progressive but deeper stall,
is the way I might test for and use in the future. I
like the full coverage, but want the progressive
stall. Now that I know the stall is safe with VG's,
I'll test more with a full span coverage.
Right now I am down for Christmas, KitFox annual,
housework, flight physical, job, annual flight check -
all until the end of January. Whew, pant, pant...
Looking forward to retirement and full time work on
just my own stuff.
Kurt S.
--- Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no> wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
>
> Have been reading all about your testing on the
> Matronics browser.
>
> This one is kind of strange, nothing "seems" to
> compare with others exp., also could not see any
> real difference in installation or other details.
>
> There is one "big" difference -I've been thinking
> about, the flapperon. The flapperon make the
> difference, hence the flapperon is not a part of
> the main wing, but is just a separate foil just
> lifting or pulling down at the main wings at the
> trailing edge. So, I'll think adding flap in a Fox
> (with vorties installed) is not as effective as with
> an ordinary flap system, since such system move
> the pressure center backward and increase
> the effective wing area.
...........
> I've been reading someplace that; "large wing should
> have large vortex generators", referred to the
> foil thickness and effective speed.
>
> Maybe another test could be done, but this time with
> a "light" aircraft -in order to see if there is any
> improvement in this configuration, it should be..
>
> There is another thing to note, when seeing various
> installation (on the web), quite a few of them
> have "large" bumps in between the ribs. Such
> bumps decrease the wings effectiveness and create
> parasite drag. In stall vortex generators on such
> a wing and see the difference.
>
> The best "improvement" (when thinking about stall
> speed), is found on "vortex" converted high speed
> foils, while other profiles only see (1 - 3)
> Kts improvement. This thing makes you wonder.
>
> There is a few questions, well just two; did you get
> a change to check the AOA? Those "profile" (foil)
> testing I've seen increased the alpha angle
> around 8 degrees with vortex generators installed.
>
> Next, was there a particular reason that you did not
> install the vortex generators in the "inner"
> wing area?
>
> Another interesting thing is; when they finally find
> a layout for the vortex, that work good, they'll
> start to remove them to see how few that
> can make the trick without loosing to much of the
> top speed. Then they add some more "trick" to get
> back what is lost in the high end.
>
> Humm., sure -me too, like to fly slower but not with
> that high nose. :)
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> Here is some vortex links, for those interessted.
>
>
> http://user.mc.net/~amrd/VGNETP1A.html
>
> http://www.airshowfan.com/researchaircraftn.html
>
> http://www.skylinesolar.com/vortexgenerators.htm
>
>
http://www.cubcrafters.com/cc/products/vortexgenerators.asp
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