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1. 02:15 AM - 2004 List of Contributors - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:41 AM - dual messages (Bob Unternaehrer)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Sport Aviation article (Roger McConnell)
4. 08:16 AM - Re: Cardboard plane (so far) (Michel Verheughe)
5. 08:28 AM - [Off-topic] Johan Storseth in Norway (Michel Verheughe)
6. 08:47 AM - Folding wings (Mike Chaney)
7. 10:24 AM - Re: Cardboard plane (so far) (Jose M. Toro)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Sport Aviation article (Jose M. Toro)
9. 11:55 AM - Re: Folding wings (Gunn, Michael (Space Technology))
10. 12:11 PM - N171AJ (Bob Unternaehrer)
11. 12:50 PM - Re: N171AJ (Gary Henderson)
12. 02:13 PM - Re: N171AJ (Glenn Horne)
13. 05:18 PM - Re: Numbers (Kirk Martenson)
14. 08:07 PM - Re: N171AJ (kurt schrader)
15. 09:05 PM - Re: Cardboard plane (so far) (kurt schrader)
16. 09:48 PM - Gross Weight Increase for Classic IV (Steve Zakreski)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
First let me say Thank You to everyone that made a Contribution in support
of the Lists this year! I was particularly touched by all of the wonderful
comments people made regarding the Lists and how much they mean to
them. As I have said many times before, running these Lists and creating
the many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your comments
of support and appreciation have particular meaning for me. Your
generosity during this time of List support only underscores the delightful
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
I would also once again like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) who so generously supported this year's
Fund Raiser with both free and substantially discounted merchandise!! Andy
is truly one of a kind, and a superb businessman, and I cannot thank him
enough for all that he's done! If you have any aircraft media needs in the
near future, I would ask that you please give his great web site a
look. Thanks again Andy, for all your support!
And I would also like to thank Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises
(www.kitlog.com) who has generously contributed free registered copies of
his great Windows Kit Logging software called Kitlog Pro in support of this
year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you, Paul! For those of you that selected
this sweet gift, you should be receiving your Registration Key directly
from Paul in the next week or so.
And finally, below you will find the 2004 List of Contributors current as
of 12/5/04! Have a look at the list of names there as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank you all
enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund
Raiser! THANK YOU!
There are still a few of the various Free Gifts left, so please feel free
to yet make your Contribution and get a great Free Gift to-boot! Once
again, the URL for the Contributions web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks. I hope to
have everything shipping out by the end of the month. Generally everything
will go out via USPS, so be nice to your postman this month, he might be
bringing you something fun!
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------ 2004 List of Contributors ---------------------
Aldrich, Scott
Alexander, George
Aller, Daniel
Alley, Brian
Amos, Paul
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Edward
Anthony, Bruce
Applefeld, Gerald
Applegate, William
Arbeitman, Gordon
Archer, Matt
Ashcraft, Keith
Ashford, James
Austin, Peter
Ayers, Jim
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Bailey, Rick
Baker, Jim
Baker, Mike
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Baker, Victor
Bakke, Bj%f8rn
Baldwin, James
Ballard, Jerry
Ballenger, James
Banes, John
Banyai, Michael
Barnes, Tom
Barnett, W.Mark
Barrie, Darwin
Barter, Tom
Basiliere, Rick
Bates, Jr, Marcus
BauerJr, Fred
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beauchamp, Norm
Beene, Kenneth
Bell, Bruce
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Bergh, Dave
Bernard, William
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Bertelli, John
Berthet, Andre
Bertz, Gary
Bettmeng, Rick
Bezzard, Richard
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Bikle, Alan
Bish, Dan
Blackwell, Charles
Blackwell, Jimmie
Blake, James
Boardman, Don
Bockelman, David
Boetto, Steve
Bonds, Kevin
Boothe, Gary
Booze, George
Borger, Robert
Borne, Chuck
Bothe, Andreas
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowden, Terry
Bowen, Larry
Bowhay, Eustance
Bowman, John
Boyd, Don
Boyer, James
Brame, Charles
Brandt, Leroy
Branscomb, Warren
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Brick, John
Briggs, Tracy
Brooks, John
Brooks, Sterling
Broom, Richard
Brown, David
Brown, Ken
Brown, Kent
Brown, Robert
Brunke, John
Bryan, Mark
Bryan, Tim
Bryant, Geoff
Buchanan, Guy
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buehlmann, Peter
Buess, Alfred
Bullock, Jack
Burden, Ronald
Burke, James
Burnett, Ron
Burns, Mark
Burrill, Phil
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Butcher, Jim
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butler, Sherman
Butler, Thomas
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Caldwell, Lapsley
Calloway, Terry
Cann, Robert
Cannon, Paul
Cantrell, Jimmy
Cantrell, Kenneth
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Salvatore
Carlton, Raymond
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carroll, Randy
Carter, David
Carter, Howard
Cary, William
Celestre, Rich
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Leslie
Chandler, Rick
Chatham, Bob
Chenoweth, William
Chevaillier, Mason
Ciolino, John
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clay, Dennis
Clayton, James
Clement, Jim
Clyma, Frank
Coalwell, Timothy
Cochran, Stewart
Cockrell, Alan
Coggins, Mickey
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Collins, Bob
Colucci, Tony
Combs, Doyle
Compton, Scott
Condrey, Bob
Conkling, J.Michael
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Constant, Jeremy
Cook, Craig
Cook, Doug
Cooley, John
Cooper, James
Copeland, Garrett
Corbalis, .Leo
Corbett, Claude
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Corriveau, Grant
Cottingham, Richard
Cottrell, Larry
Coursey, William
Courtney, James
Cox, JimL.
Crane, James
Cravener, Don
Craze, Gary
Cribb, William
Crimm, Steve
Crockett, James
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Rich
Crowe, Michael
Cruikshank, Bruce
Cummings, Tom
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Danclovic, Paul
Danielsen, HansJ%f8rgen
Danner, Robert
Daudt, Larry
Daughenbaugh, Rj
Daves, Russell
Davidson, Janet
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Charles
Davis, Peter
Davis, Robert
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, Garth
De Jong, Jan
Decuir, John
Deford, David
Deits, DPaul
Dennis, Chris
Dettmer, Randy
Dewees, Ron
Dial, Larry
Diehl, Donald
Disher, John
Dixon, Thomas
Dominey, Clifford
Dominy, Kenneth
Donaghue, James
Donaldson, Norman
Donato, John
Dornseif, Keith
Dowling, Jeff
Dresden, Robert
Dubroc, Tommy
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Dukerich, Tom
Duncan, Rod
Durakovich, David
Durbrow, John
Eckel, John
Edwards, Joseph
Ehlers, ClydeD.
Elder,jr, William
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellis, Dale
Ellsworth, Jim
Elrod, Michael
Emberson, Cory
Engh, Duncan
Enns, Dennis
Ensing, Dale
Erb, Robert
Erickson, Alan
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip
Esterhuizen, Deon
Evans, Kathleen
Evans, Marion
Fackler, Ken
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Falik, Donald
Farrell, Patrick
Farris, Greg
Fasching, John
Faulkner, Thomas
Featherston, Les
Feldman, Herb
Ferguson, Darren
Ferguson, Jay
Ferguson, John
Fifield, Scott
Figgins, David
Filucci, Michael
Firm, Howard
Fischer, Douglas
Fischer, John
Fishe, JF
Fisher, Michael
Fitt, Lowell
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Fix, Douglas
Flavin, John
Fluent, Grant
Foerster, James
Fogerson, Richard
Ford, John
Ford, Larry
Fordham, Chris
Forsberg, Erik
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Frantz, Terry
Frederickson, John
French, James
Friel, Christopher
Frye, Dwight
Fulgham, Bill
Fullilove, Ken
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Fussell, Larry
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Gagnon, Tim
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Garforth, Richard
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George, Neal
George, William
German, Mark
Gernetzke, Jill
Gherardini, Don
Giacona, William
Gibbons, Robert
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Giles, Tom
Gillespie, Rl
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Gingell, Rob
Gitt, Larry
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Glass, Roy
Glauser, David
Gleason, Mike
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Goodridge, Stuart
Goolsby, Jim
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Gottelt, Herbert
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Gowing, John
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Graber, Joel
GrahamJr, WDoyce
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Grantz, Alan
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Grosse, John
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Gunn, Jim
Gunn, John
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Haring, Robert
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Hasler, James
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Holland, Rick
Holmes, Paul
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Imken, Chuck
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Isler, Jerry
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James, Ken
Jarvis, Andrew
Jaussi, Curtis
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Jensen, Jim
Jensen, Marinus
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Johnson, Anthony
Johnson, Dale
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Johnson, Dennis
Johnson, Edwin
Johnson, Les
Johnson, Lytle
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Johnston, Bruce
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Kane, Lawrence
Kaser, Jim
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Kennedy, Robert
Kent, John
Kesterton, Donald
Kilburg, Larry
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Kimsey, Thomas
King, Jack
King, John
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Klein, Fred
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Kohles, Jerry
Koonce, R.L.
Kosta, Michael
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
Matt, we seem to be getting a lot of dual messages the last couple of days, even
in the digest form I get. Was wondering if you considered the idea i presented
a few weeeks ago concerning a method of reading only the messages one wanted
to when recieving them in digest form? Never heard any comment on the list
or privately. I greatly appreciated you effort to get people NOT to copy and
reply the entire message, but it didn't seem to help much. I don't know if
you mentioned this also but many people are putting their reply at the BOTTOM
of the LONG replied to message, sometimes with out even identifying the reply
from the copied message. I've just been skipping these, because their to time
consuming.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Jose,
The article is on page 58 in the December issue of Sport Aviation the
magazine published by the Experimental Aircraft Association, EAA. Sorry for
the late reply.
Roger
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Roger:
Where was published that article???
Jose
Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net> wrote:
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To all listers,
We have a celebrity on our list now. I just finished reading a real nice
article about four aircraft that embark on a trip to the land of the
midnight sun. Our friend Torgeir is mention in this article. A very well
written piece by Peter Schnieder.
Roger Mac
N619RM
Do not Archive.
Roger
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Cardboard plane (so far) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> You really know what you are doing! Keep going!!! I'm at the opposite side
of the
> planet waiting for your "progress reports" and learning from your experience.
Muchas gracias, caro amigo Jose.
I am not sure I am doing the right thing. The big moment will be when I'll try
to de-mould the cowling. I know it can be some problems. In the yachting
industry, they use, at strategic points, a water inlet where they pressurize
with water to get the mould free. I won't do that, of course.
If I fail ... well, I am told I am a terrific crier! :-)
But if I succeed and it looks good and someone else what to try it, if the
mould is in good shape, I'd gladly send it overseas to you, or anybody else. It
would be my pleasure be able to help builders, for the first time.
Yes, this is incredible: I do a few things in the hangar, take pictures of it,
share it with my friends from Australia to Puerto Rica and get all the advice I
can hope for. This is a wonderful world! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Johan Storseth in Norway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
(OFF-TOPIC)
Er ... I am extremely ashamed to say that, once again, I forgot the name (Dave?
John?) of the person who contacted me regarding the family Storseth in Norway.
Please, could you contact me again off-list? Thank you very much.
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Does anyone fold their wings after each flight for storage? If so, have you
found it to cause any problems or excessive wear on fuel lines etc. I
can't fold my wings with full fuel so I would assume you don't do this or
the tail on the plane is raised up first.
Mike
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
It's a small world after all! (I learned that at the Magic Kingdom)
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> You really know what you are doing! Keep going!!! I'm at the opposite side of
the
> planet waiting for your "progress reports" and learning from your experience.
Muchas gracias, caro amigo Jose.
I am not sure I am doing the right thing. The big moment will be when I'll try
to de-mould the cowling. I know it can be some problems. In the yachting
industry, they use, at strategic points, a water inlet where they pressurize
with water to get the mould free. I won't do that, of course.
If I fail ... well, I am told I am a terrific crier! :-)
But if I succeed and it looks good and someone else what to try it, if the
mould is in good shape, I'd gladly send it overseas to you, or anybody else. It
would be my pleasure be able to help builders, for the first time.
Yes, this is incredible: I do a few things in the hangar, take pictures of it,
share it with my friends from Australia to Puerto Rica and get all the advice I
can hope for. This is a wonderful world! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Sport Aviation article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
That should be the one with the yellow "Symmetry" in the front page.
Thanks!
Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
Jose,
The article is on page 58 in the December issue of Sport Aviation the
magazine published by the Experimental Aircraft Association, EAA. Sorry for
the late reply.
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Aviation article
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
Roger:
Where was published that article???
Jose
Roger McConnell wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
To all listers,
We have a celebrity on our list now. I just finished reading a real nice
article about four aircraft that embark on a trip to the land of the
midnight sun. Our friend Torgeir is mention in this article. A very well
written piece by Peter Schnieder.
Roger Mac
N619RM
Do not Archive.
Roger
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
---------------------------------
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gunn, Michael (Space Technology)" <michael.gunn@ngc.com>
I keep my plane in my 3-car garage (hanger) and fold/unfold things all the time.
There is no sign of wear anywhere but I do replace the pivoting bolts each annual.
The fuel lines are routed so as to not allow any sharp bends, especially
the vent line. I drain the fuel before folding if there is more than 5 gallons
in each tank. I also use the wing towing support struts. I tow it back and
forth to the airport, about 7 miles 'round trip.
Mike N5291R
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
Subject: Kitfox-List: Folding wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Does anyone fold their wings after each flight for storage? If so, have you
found it to cause any problems or excessive wear on fuel lines etc. I
can't fold my wings with full fuel so I would assume you don't do this or
the tail on the plane is raised up first.
Mike
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
<<<> At the risk of a non kitfox subject, but maybe a liitle different
fun....Who flys or owns N171AJ and what color and type of aircraft is it.
I saw this airplane last night on CMT at Allen Jackson's house.....N171...Allen....Jackson.
A red Aviat I guess but at the distance it was could have been
a Kitfox.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Henderson" <gjglh@cebridge.net>
That N number shows to be a A-1B
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
>
> <<<> At the risk of a non kitfox subject, but maybe a liitle different
> fun....Who flys or owns N171AJ and what color and type of aircraft is it.
>
>
> I saw this airplane last night on CMT at Allen Jackson's
> house.....N171...Allen....Jackson. A red Aviat I guess but at the
> distance it was could have been a Kitfox.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilohcom@c-magic.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Its an Aviat.Its registed to Aviat Aircraft Inc.
Afton, Wy.
Look under Landings .com
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Subject: Kitfox-List: N171AJ
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilohcom@c-magic.com>
<<<> At the risk of a non kitfox subject, but maybe a liitle different
fun....Who flys or owns N171AJ and what color and type of aircraft is it.
I saw this airplane last night on CMT at Allen Jackson's
house.....N171...Allen....Jackson. A red Aviat I guess but at the distance
it was could have been a Kitfox.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
John:
My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me it
was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV Speedster
when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic IV
with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name, the
gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short wings.
I would still like to speak to someone at Skystar regarding this issue of
gross weight. I only want to go up 10% i.e. 120 lbs or even 100lbs. The
idea is to have floats, half tanks of fuel, and still give rides.
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic Speedster, or Speedster IV????
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Kirk,
> I know from working at SS that they considered increasing the gross
> of the
> Model IV-1200. When they ran the numbers it was determined that the Model
> IV had reached it's limit... It had essentially evolved from a 950 to
> 1050
> and then to 1200... to take it higher would require a re-design. There
> were
> also a lot of requests for a larger aircraft that would allow for the use
> of
> some of the certified engines... The Series 5 was born......
>
> You also mentioned Speedster... Is your aircraft a Speedster (Short Wing)
> or
> Classic IV ??
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Martenson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Numbers
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
>
> Is there anyone out there who has any engineering information about the
> Kitfox? Specifically the Kitfox Classic IV?
>
> I spoke with Frank Miller at Oshkosh about possibly getting a 10% increase
> in gross weight because I want to put my Classic IV Speedster on floats.
> Frank told me to email him at Skystar and he would "run the numbers" to
> see
> if the 10% gross weight increase would be feasible. The problem is that I
> have been trying for months to get in contact with Skystar, but they will
> not return my emails, or my calls.
>
> Does anyone know where or whom may have some engineering experience or
> contacts that can help me?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Kirk Martenson
> Classic IV Speedster.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Here it is:
<http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=171AJ>
Kurt S.
--- Glenn Horne <glennflys@rcn.com> wrote:
> Its an Aviat.Its registed to Aviat Aircraft Inc.
> Afton, Wy.
> Look under Landings .com
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Unternaehrer
> <<<> At the risk of a non kitfox subject, but maybe
> a liitle different fun....Who flys or owns
> N171AJ and what color and type of aircraft is it.
>
>
> I saw this airplane last night on CMT at Allen
> Jackson's house.....N171...Allen....Jackson.
> A red Aviat I guess but at the distance
> it was could have been a Kitfox.
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilohcom@c-magic.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cardboard plane (so far) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
As someone suggested here previously, cling wrap works
pretty well for seperating your fuiberglass from the
mold. You need to take out the wrinkles pretty good,
or epoxy with slip into the folds and you'll have to
sand the cling wrap out. The newest cling wraps
stretches and sticks to the mold pretty well without
wrinkles. I've gone to that method over using a
release chemical now myself.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>> "Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> > You really know what you are doing! Keep going!!!
> I'm at the opposite side of the
> > planet waiting for your "progress reports" and
> learning from your experience.
>
> Muchas gracias, caro amigo Jose.
> I am not sure I am doing the right thing. The big
> moment will be when I'll try
> to de-mould the cowling. I know it can be some
> problems. In the yachting
> industry, they use, at strategic points, a water
> inlet where they pressurize
> with water to get the mould free. I won't do that,
> of course.
> If I fail ... well, I am told I am a terrific crier!
> :-)
> But if I succeed and it looks good and someone else
> what to try it, if the
> mould is in good shape, I'd gladly send it overseas
> to you, or anybody else. It
> would be my pleasure be able to help builders, for
> the first time.
> Yes, this is incredible: I do a few things in the
> hangar, take pictures of it,
> share it with my friends from Australia to Puerto
> Rica and get all the advice I
> can hope for. This is a wonderful world! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Gross Weight Increase for Classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Kirk
I went through exactly this query process with Skystar two years ago. I
even offered to pay for the engineering cost. I was very persistent, but
could not get them to offer anything whatsoever resembling a gross weight
increase.
SteveZ
Classic IV/NSI/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk
Martenson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Numbers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
John:
My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me it
was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV Speedster
when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic IV
with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name, the
gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short wings.
I would still like to speak to someone at Skystar regarding this issue of
gross weight. I only want to go up 10% i.e. 120 lbs or even 100lbs. The
idea is to have floats, half tanks of fuel, and still give rides.
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic Speedster, or Speedster IV????
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Kirk,
> I know from working at SS that they considered increasing the gross
> of the
> Model IV-1200. When they ran the numbers it was determined that the Model
> IV had reached it's limit... It had essentially evolved from a 950 to
> 1050
> and then to 1200... to take it higher would require a re-design. There
> were
> also a lot of requests for a larger aircraft that would allow for the use
> of
> some of the certified engines... The Series 5 was born......
>
> You also mentioned Speedster... Is your aircraft a Speedster (Short Wing)
> or
> Classic IV ??
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Martenson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Numbers
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
>
> Is there anyone out there who has any engineering information about the
> Kitfox? Specifically the Kitfox Classic IV?
>
> I spoke with Frank Miller at Oshkosh about possibly getting a 10% increase
> in gross weight because I want to put my Classic IV Speedster on floats.
> Frank told me to email him at Skystar and he would "run the numbers" to
> see
> if the 10% gross weight increase would be feasible. The problem is that I
> have been trying for months to get in contact with Skystar, but they will
> not return my emails, or my calls.
>
> Does anyone know where or whom may have some engineering experience or
> contacts that can help me?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Kirk Martenson
> Classic IV Speedster.
>
>
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