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1. 02:04 AM - cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Cardboard plane (so far) (Mike Chaney)
3. 04:44 AM - Moulding techniques (Michel Verheughe)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Moulding techniques. West Epoxy (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane (Lowell Fitt)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: Numbers (jdmcbean)
7. 08:11 AM - Cleaning out old thread sealer (David Savener)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Propeller Weights? (Jeff)
9. 09:30 AM - Re: Cleaning out old thread sealer (Bob Robertson)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: Numbers (Lowell Fitt)
11. 02:07 PM - Re: Moulding techniques (Mike Chaney)
12. 02:41 PM - Re: cling wrap. (Michel Verheughe)
13. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Moulding techniques. West Epoxy (Michel Verheughe)
14. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Moulding techniques. West Epoxy (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
15. 03:33 PM - Re: cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane (kurt schrader)
16. 04:04 PM - Cheap avionics prices (Clifford Begnaud)
17. 05:54 PM - Re: Gross Weight Increase for Classic IV (Herbert R Gottelt)
18. 07:15 PM - Re: Cheap avionics prices (Randy Daughenbaugh)
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| Subject: | cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> As someone suggested here previously, cling wrap works
> pretty well for seperating your fuiberglass from the
> mold.
Thank you very much, Kurt. ... Er ... can anyone explain me what "cling wrap" is?
:-)
Is that the very thin transparent plastic foil that one uses to wrap food in?
If so, yes, I think I could stretch it if ... I had a convex mould ... but I have
a concave one! ... Argh!!!! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Cardboard plane (so far) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
I'm considering using my existing cowl (Model IV)to make a mold for a new
cowl. My current cowl has some stress fractures from all the modifications
I made installing the Jabiru engine. This would produce a nice uniform
layup without all the patches. Will I destroy my current cowling in the
process and can I use the fiberglass compounds and cloth I find at the auto
parts store?
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cardboard plane (so far)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
As someone suggested here previously, cling wrap works
pretty well for seperating your fuiberglass from the
mold. You need to take out the wrinkles pretty good,
or epoxy with slip into the folds and you'll have to
sand the cling wrap out. The newest cling wraps
stretches and sticks to the mold pretty well without
wrinkles. I've gone to that method over using a
release chemical now myself.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>> "Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> > You really know what you are doing! Keep going!!!
> I'm at the opposite side of the
> > planet waiting for your "progress reports" and
> learning from your experience.
>
> Muchas gracias, caro amigo Jose.
> I am not sure I am doing the right thing. The big
> moment will be when I'll try
> to de-mould the cowling. I know it can be some
> problems. In the yachting
> industry, they use, at strategic points, a water
> inlet where they pressurize
> with water to get the mould free. I won't do that,
> of course.
> If I fail ... well, I am told I am a terrific crier!
> :-)
> But if I succeed and it looks good and someone else
> what to try it, if the
> mould is in good shape, I'd gladly send it overseas
> to you, or anybody else. It
> would be my pleasure be able to help builders, for
> the first time.
> Yes, this is incredible: I do a few things in the
> hangar, take pictures of it,
> share it with my friends from Australia to Puerto
> Rica and get all the advice I
> can hope for. This is a wonderful world! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Moulding techniques |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Mike Chaney [mdps_mc@swoca.net]
> I'm considering using my existing cowl (Model IV)to make a mold for a new
> cowl.
Do you want the new one to look exactly like the old one, but with a higher quality,
yet keep the old one as a reserve, Mike?
I think it can be done. Say, your old one is the plug. You wax it thoroughly ,
several times (or Kurt's wrap). On that, you lay epoxy and glassfiber. That will
be your female plug. You smooth out whatever is uneven and you wax again.
Then you mould your new cowling in it.
I think that it should work.
I use West System epoxy. Over here, it is found at yachting shipchandlers. But
I guess the type found in car part stores will do just as well.
West System epoxy has a very low viscosity and as such, is best for e.g. "cold
backing" technique where several layers of wood veneers are glued together with
epoxy. The result (inspired from the early days seaplane floats) is a high quality
hull, strong and very light. You will never be able to separate two porous
wood surfaces glued with West System.
In our case, I think any epoxy will do. I use 200 gr/m2 fiberglass fabric. It's
the lightest type found for yachting. I think I'll need 3 layers.
But I'll keep you all informed about my progress. It's nice that we can learn in
this way from each other.
PS: I still have some 16 years old West System epoxy in cans. Of course, I won't
use that, I bought some fresh new cans for this job. But just for the sake of
testing, I mixed, the other day, some of the old stuff (the catalyzer has gone
yellowish) and ... it still works and looks as strong as the new stuff. Talk
about a long shelf life!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Moulding techniques. West Epoxy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/04 4:45:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, michel@online.no
writes:
<< PS: I still have some 16 years old West System epoxy in cans. Of course, I
won't use that, I bought some fresh new cans for this job. But just for the
sake of testing, I mixed, the other day, some of the old stuff (the catalyzer
has gone yellowish) and ... it still works and looks as strong as the new
stuff. Talk about a long shelf life!
Cheers,
Michel
>>
Michel,
Just curious, how do you protect yourself when using West? I have used
West on and off for years. During my building process, I became "sensitized"
(words quoted by West) to the West Epoxy System. Once sensitized, you have it
for life. I can walk by a hanger where someone is mixing the stuff and swell
up like a toad. When I use it now, I have to wear a full suit with external
air or, the toad effect. Once had to go on steroids for two weeks to get the
swelling under control.
Once it hits you, it's bad news.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I might have missed some of this thread. Are you looking for a foolproof
mold release? If so you are looking for PVA mold release. It is sprayed
over a waxed mold and is water soluble for easy clean-up. If you can't find
it in your area contact me off list.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> > As someone suggested here previously, cling wrap works
> > pretty well for seperating your fuiberglass from the
> > mold.
>
> Thank you very much, Kurt. ... Er ... can anyone explain me what "cling
wrap" is? :-)
> Is that the very thin transparent plastic foil that one uses to wrap food
in?
> If so, yes, I think I could stretch it if ... I had a convex mould ... but
I have a concave one! ... Argh!!!! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Kirk,
Unless SkyStar has a change in policy... The Classic IV with a standard
(long) wing aircraft was tested to 1200 gross and that is all they will give
on the record.
The "Speedster" was speed options and mods to the Model IV. If I am not
mistaken.. one could have a perverbial "Speedster" with everything that a
Speedster would have except the shorter wings. I believe at one point the
Speedster had its own serial number.. That changed when they renamed the
Model IV to the Classic IV.. They had one serial number for the IV and if
you wanted the Speedster you made your IV a Speedster. I would say you are
correct in your aircraft being a Classic IV "Speedster" I'm not there
anymore so this is coming from memory..
If you are the builder.... Then you can establish the gross weight... I
also seem to remember something about gross weight and the short wing....
But someone else on the list may have to jump in on that one...
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Martenson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Numbers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
John:
My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me it
was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV Speedster
when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic IV
with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name, the
gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short wings.
I would still like to speak to someone at Skystar regarding this issue of
gross weight. I only want to go up 10% i.e. 120 lbs or even 100lbs. The
idea is to have floats, half tanks of fuel, and still give rides.
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic Speedster, or Speedster IV????
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Kirk,
> I know from working at SS that they considered increasing the gross
> of the
> Model IV-1200. When they ran the numbers it was determined that the Model
> IV had reached it's limit... It had essentially evolved from a 950 to
> 1050
> and then to 1200... to take it higher would require a re-design. There
> were
> also a lot of requests for a larger aircraft that would allow for the use
> of
> some of the certified engines... The Series 5 was born......
>
> You also mentioned Speedster... Is your aircraft a Speedster (Short Wing)
> or
> Classic IV ??
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Martenson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Numbers
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
>
> Is there anyone out there who has any engineering information about the
> Kitfox? Specifically the Kitfox Classic IV?
>
> I spoke with Frank Miller at Oshkosh about possibly getting a 10% increase
> in gross weight because I want to put my Classic IV Speedster on floats.
> Frank told me to email him at Skystar and he would "run the numbers" to
> see
> if the 10% gross weight increase would be feasible. The problem is that I
> have been trying for months to get in contact with Skystar, but they will
> not return my emails, or my calls.
>
> Does anyone know where or whom may have some engineering experience or
> contacts that can help me?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Kirk Martenson
> Classic IV Speedster.
>
>
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| Subject: | Cleaning out old thread sealer |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:10:44 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
After getting my C gearbox rebuilt, I want to reinstall it correctly.
The bolts are easy enough to clean but... What is the best way to clean the thread
lock stuff out of the holes in the block so that I can use new thread lock
hoopmagoop during the reinstall???
Dave S
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller Weights? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Does anyone know (of a web site?) where I can find the weight of an Arplast
Ecoprop (ground adjustable) propellor. I am being asked for this information
by the PFA (Popular Flying Association in England) who I have contacted in
order to get permission to change from my existing 3 bladed GSC prop to the
3 bladed ecoprop I would prefer to use.
Regards
Jeff
Kitfox Mk 3
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning out old thread sealer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Dave,
You can clean the threads with a dental pick with a sharp 90 degree bend.
Make sure you follow the thread line and not scrape the pick across the
threads.
Now...... The ONLY place you need thread locker on a gear box in on the
large bolt that holds the flywheel to the crankshaft. I have never seen a
bolt come loose on a gear box in 25 years of working with Rotax's. I have
seen (and repaired lots of screwed up threads because of threadlocker).
The only other place you need Loctite products on the gear drive is to use
Loctite Energrease on the mating surfaces of the shoulder bolts that mount
INSIDE the gear drive. (Energrease is a European product and quite hard to
find on this side of the pond..If not available use a small quantity of
white lithium grease).
The other place you need a Loctite product is to use their anti-seize
compound (sparingly of course) on the splines of the driver gear during
assembly.
Of course your gear box rebuilder will have used Loctite on the conical
sleeve and friction washer when assembling the gear to the propeller shaft.
Aside from the above there is no need for threadlockeer on the gear to
engine bolts nor the gear case cover bolts.
Hope this helps
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cleaning out old thread sealer
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> After getting my C gearbox rebuilt, I want to reinstall it correctly.
>
> The bolts are easy enough to clean but... What is the best way to clean
the thread lock stuff out of the holes in the block so that I can use new
thread lock hoopmagoop during the reinstall???
>
> Dave S
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
John and Kirk,
I think John is correct on this. I have an original factory brochure from
about 1992.
These are the Speedster "mods" as listed:
-Cleaner Wing Tips - the old tips were the droop type.
-Lift Strut Fairings - available today as an option
-Elevator Gap Seal
-New Rudder and Vertical Fin - airfoiled and gap closure
- Bottom Wing False Ribs - still available
-Streamlined P51 type Radiator Scoop
-12" Tires
-Wheel Pants
-Tail Wheel fairings - I haven't a clue what this is
-Electric Trim
-Shorter Faster Wing - One rib bay shorter
-Double Pin Door Latch System - I believe this has been resurrected and is
again available
There is nothing that would indicate a different gross weight for the
Speedster.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Kirk,
> Unless SkyStar has a change in policy... The Classic IV with a
standard
> (long) wing aircraft was tested to 1200 gross and that is all they will
give
> on the record.
> The "Speedster" was speed options and mods to the Model IV. If I am not
> mistaken.. one could have a perverbial "Speedster" with everything that a
> Speedster would have except the shorter wings. I believe at one point the
> Speedster had its own serial number.. That changed when they renamed the
> Model IV to the Classic IV.. They had one serial number for the IV and if
> you wanted the Speedster you made your IV a Speedster. I would say you
are
> correct in your aircraft being a Classic IV "Speedster" I'm not there
> anymore so this is coming from memory..
>
> If you are the builder.... Then you can establish the gross weight... I
> also seem to remember something about gross weight and the short wing....
> But someone else on the list may have to jump in on that one...
>
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Martenson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Numbers
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
>
> John:
>
> My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
> Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me
it
> was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV
Speedster
> when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
> Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
> ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic
IV
> with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
> because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name,
the
> gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short
wings.
>
> I would still like to speak to someone at Skystar regarding this issue of
> gross weight. I only want to go up 10% i.e. 120 lbs or even 100lbs. The
> idea is to have floats, half tanks of fuel, and still give rides.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Kirk Martenson
> Classic Speedster, or Speedster IV????
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Numbers
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> >
> > Kirk,
> > I know from working at SS that they considered increasing the
gross
> > of the
> > Model IV-1200. When they ran the numbers it was determined that the
Model
> > IV had reached it's limit... It had essentially evolved from a 950 to
> > 1050
> > and then to 1200... to take it higher would require a re-design. There
> > were
> > also a lot of requests for a larger aircraft that would allow for the
use
> > of
> > some of the certified engines... The Series 5 was born......
> >
> > You also mentioned Speedster... Is your aircraft a Speedster (Short
Wing)
> > or
> > Classic IV ??
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > John & Debra McBean
> > www.sportplanellc.com
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk
Martenson
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Numbers
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
> >
> > Is there anyone out there who has any engineering information about the
> > Kitfox? Specifically the Kitfox Classic IV?
> >
> > I spoke with Frank Miller at Oshkosh about possibly getting a 10%
increase
> > in gross weight because I want to put my Classic IV Speedster on floats.
> > Frank told me to email him at Skystar and he would "run the numbers" to
> > see
> > if the 10% gross weight increase would be feasible. The problem is that
I
> > have been trying for months to get in contact with Skystar, but they
will
> > not return my emails, or my calls.
> >
> > Does anyone know where or whom may have some engineering experience or
> > contacts that can help me?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Kirk Martenson
> > Classic IV Speedster.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Moulding techniques |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Yes Michel I would like to keep the origional as a back-up. On the
underside of my cowling I have many patches as I made the old cowling fit
the new engine. The exterior of the cowling looks really good but I'm
getting some crack at the patched areas.
Thanks
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Moulding techniques
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Mike Chaney [mdps_mc@swoca.net]
> I'm considering using my existing cowl (Model IV)to make a mold for a new
> cowl.
Do you want the new one to look exactly like the old one, but with a higher
quality, yet keep the old one as a reserve, Mike?
I think it can be done. Say, your old one is the plug. You wax it thoroughly
That will be your female plug. You smooth out whatever is uneven and you wax
again. Then you mould your new cowling in it.
I think that it should work.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Are you looking for a foolproof
> mold release? If so you are looking for PVA mold release.
Thanks Lowell. I think I will try something I can find here, locally. I have
done moulding before and my releasing agent was very simple: Take one part
turpentine, one part bee wax, the the former dissolve the latter a few days ...
et voila!
Rub it several times on the surface, to a nice polish. ... and it smells good,
like very old furniture! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Moulding techniques. West Epoxy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> Just curious, how do you protect yourself when using West?
Nothing, Don. So far, I've never had problems with epoxy. But I read about it.
Nasty thing, indeed! My wife suffers from multiple skin allergies and she'll
stay away from the stuff. But it looks like I am immune.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Moulding techniques. West Epoxy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/04 2:43:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, michel@online.no
writes:
<< Nasty thing, indeed! My wife suffers from multiple skin allergies and
she'll
stay away from the stuff. But it looks like I am immune.
Cheers,
Michel >>
Michel,
My point exactly. I was immune for many years then all of a sudden, I
was bitten. You might want to consider some precaution. Once the stuff bites
you, you are just about through using it. That is what the West folks told me,
It hit's you when you least expect it and, they were right. The stuff has
caused me many sleepless nights in the last couple years. Once I'm done with my
cowling mods, I'll never go near the stuff again. Of course, I said that
last time.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: cling wrap. WAS Cardboard plane |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes Michel,
It is the clear plastic food wrap. There are 2 new
kinds that work better than the old. One has a beaded
surface. The other smooth. Both worked well for me.
I used it to make my scoop and it is very fast to
un-plug. Just pop it out and peal the wrap off.
Hardly any sticking. I used a squeegy or paintbrush
to press it into inside curves. If the curves are too
tight, you need to lay down the wrap in pieces.
But I like your release idea too. Think I'll give
that a try sometime.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> > As someone suggested here previously, cling wrap
> > works pretty well for seperating your
> > fiberglass from the mold.
>
> Thank you very much, Kurt. ... Er ... can anyone
> explain me what "cling wrap" is? :-)
> Is that the very thin transparent plastic foil that
> one uses to wrap food in?
> If so, yes, I think I could stretch it if ... I had
> a convex mould ... but I have a concave one! ...
> Argh!!!! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Cheap avionics prices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Sure would like to hear input on who has the lowest avionics prices.
Thanks,
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight Increase for Classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
I discussed this same topic with SkyStar in 1992. I wanted to order a Speedster
but with floats. They definately advised against it, not because of over gross
(that's the builders problem and responsibility if you exeed the limitations),
but because of the longer water takeoff distance with floats and the short
wings. Because of this I stayed with the regular wing span, but everything else
is Speedster. I still have not put the floats on, and may not, because of the
insurance increase.
Herb Gottelt, M4, 912UL,
Mt. Prospect, IL
Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
Kirk
I went through exactly this query process with Skystar two years ago. I
even offered to pay for the engineering cost. I was very persistent, but
could not get them to offer anything whatsoever resembling a gross weight
increase.
SteveZ
Classic IV/NSI/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk
Martenson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Numbers
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson"
John:
My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me it
was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV Speedster
when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic IV
with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name, the
gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short wings.
I would still like to speak to someone at Skystar regarding this issue of
gross weight. I only want to go up 10% i.e. 120 lbs or even 100lbs. The
idea is to have floats, half tanks of fuel, and still give rides.
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic Speedster, or Speedster IV????
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Numbers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
>
> Kirk,
> I know from working at SS that they considered increasing the gross
> of the
> Model IV-1200. When they ran the numbers it was determined that the Model
> IV had reached it's limit... It had essentially evolved from a 950 to
> 1050
> and then to 1200... to take it higher would require a re-design. There
> were
> also a lot of requests for a larger aircraft that would allow for the use
> of
> some of the certified engines... The Series 5 was born......
>
> You also mentioned Speedster... Is your aircraft a Speedster (Short Wing)
> or
> Classic IV ??
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Martenson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Numbers
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson"
>
> Is there anyone out there who has any engineering information about the
> Kitfox? Specifically the Kitfox Classic IV?
>
> I spoke with Frank Miller at Oshkosh about possibly getting a 10% increase
> in gross weight because I want to put my Classic IV Speedster on floats.
> Frank told me to email him at Skystar and he would "run the numbers" to
> see
> if the 10% gross weight increase would be feasible. The problem is that I
> have been trying for months to get in contact with Skystar, but they will
> not return my emails, or my calls.
>
> Does anyone know where or whom may have some engineering experience or
> contacts that can help me?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Kirk Martenson
> Classic IV Speedster.
>
>
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| Subject: | Cheap avionics prices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Cliff,
This is only one data point, but I recently noticed a good price on the
Garmin GPSMAP 196 at Sarasota Avionics,Inc. I don't know if other prices
are good or not. 1.888.2890997.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cheap avionics prices
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Sure would like to hear input on who has the lowest avionics prices.
Thanks,
Cliff
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