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1. 07:52 AM - West Epoxy (Michel Verheughe)
2. 08:02 AM - Re: West Epoxy (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 10:36 AM - SV: West Epoxy (Michel Verheughe)
4. 10:43 AM - SV: cling wrap. (Michel Verheughe)
5. 01:37 PM - Great Website! (Steve Zakreski)
6. 02:45 PM - Re: Great Website! (John Oakley)
7. 02:51 PM - My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (Rex & Jan Shaw)
8. 02:52 PM - Re: Great Website! (John Oakley)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (flier)
10. 03:25 PM - Local Flyers (Gunn, Michael (Space Technology))
11. 03:41 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (jdmcbean)
12. 03:49 PM - Re: Great Website! (Fred Shiple)
13. 05:22 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (customtrans@qwest.net)
14. 06:50 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (Lowell Fitt)
15. 07:45 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (Lynn Matteson)
16. 09:06 PM - Test/ turned on Rich Text Editor (Clint Bazzill)
17. 09:13 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter (Tom Jones)
18. 09:33 PM - Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the (jdmcbean)
19. 09:33 PM - Re: Test/ turned on Rich Text Editor (Don Pearsall)
20. 10:00 PM - 912 Ignition Module Problem (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> My point exactly. I was immune for many years then all of a sudden, I
> was bitten. You might want to consider some precaution.
Thanks for warning me, Don. Do you think the intolerance comes from the air or
through skin contact?
Usually, when I work with glass fiber, I use a dust mask because it is nasty when
it gets in your lungs. But I don't have a mask that filters various gas. For
skin contact, I could try to use gloves. Although I don't like it at all.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/8/04 7:53:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, michel@online.no
writes:
<< Thanks for warning me, Don. Do you think the intolerance comes from the
air or through skin contact?
Usually, when I work with glass fiber, I use a dust mask because it is nasty
when it gets in your lungs. But I don't have a mask that filters various gas.
For skin contact, I could try to use gloves. Although I don't like it at all.
Cheers,
Michel >>
Michel,
It is through chemical action in the air because I usually swell up
around the eyes. Actually swelled so bad once that I had "zero" eye sockets.
My
Doctor told me the chemical/air problem was not near as bad as sanding the dry
dust. The sanding part will play havoc on your lungs.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> It is through chemical action in the air because I usually swell up
> around the eyes.
Which then means: good ventilation ... which is a bit of a challenge in winter
Norway! :-(
Thanks anyway, Don, I'll try to be careful.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> It is the clear plastic food wrap.
Ok, thanks Kurt, I'll try that on a small sample.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Maybe this is old news to you guys, but I just discovered the greatest
aviation website: http://www.whittsflying.com/index.htm It doesn't look
like much when you first go there, but what a wealth of information about
everything to do with aviation. It will keep me busy for weeks.
You guys haven't been entertaining lately anyway.
umm ...... BEEEF! ... I'm outa here. LOL
SteveZ
Calgary
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Steve Z,
I just cant believe you would rather go to another web site when we have
been discussing
great things like cardboard, thread sealer and suck. why even my wife gets
excited about
cling wrap. why you should stop taking those uppers and stop to smell the
poop.
such fun, john Oakley,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Website!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Maybe this is old news to you guys, but I just discovered the greatest
aviation website: http://www.whittsflying.com/index.htm It doesn't look
like much when you first go there, but what a wealth of information about
everything to do with aviation. It will keep me busy for weeks.
You guys haven't been entertaining lately anyway.
umm ...... BEEEF! ... I'm outa here. LOL
SteveZ
Calgary
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| Subject: | My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. |
I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me it
was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV Speedster
when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic IV
with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name, the
gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short wings.
I read all this with interest and amusement. I bought my plane from the
original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he was selling it I wanted
to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and experienced all this with no
real solid set in concrete definition of what my plane is. I found this very
strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However the main point I thought I
got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft laminar flow wing [ ie:-
flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster" and the normal wing cut
down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I am not going to argue
about it however as I am fast coming to the impression that no one really
knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have gained different ideas and
in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it really matter if one is
happy with what they have got ? It's just that the lack of a definite name
leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what exactly one is talking
about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a Speedster with my
serial number as it came later. They then told me the Speedster was not a
29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing. Can you work it out ?
Rex.
Australia.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
steve, that was thread sealer and such. sorry..
john
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Oakley
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Great Website!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Steve Z,
I just cant believe you would rather go to another web site when we have
been discussing
great things like cardboard, thread sealer and suck. why even my wife gets
excited about
cling wrap. why you should stop taking those uppers and stop to smell the
poop.
such fun, john Oakley,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Website!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Maybe this is old news to you guys, but I just discovered the greatest
aviation website: http://www.whittsflying.com/index.htm It doesn't look
like much when you first go there, but what a wealth of information about
everything to do with aviation. It will keep me busy for weeks.
You guys haven't been entertaining lately anyway.
umm ...... BEEEF! ... I'm outa here. LOL
SteveZ
Calgary
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| Subject: | Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. |
I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Below is from the Kitfox history. Note that the
Model IV, Classic IV, and Speedster wing is laminar
flow and is not flat bottom. It is slightly
concave. I personally have a 4-1200. The main
difference between it and a Speedster was the cutdown
wing, split flaperons, tail weldments to support the
ribs/gap seals, and the fairings. I added all the
Speedster fairings to my IV-1200. You've either got
a Model 4 Speedster or a regular Model 4-1200 with
some Speedster options.
Model 4-1200 (1992) Serial #1723-
The Model 4-1200, currently sold by SkyStar as the
Classic IV, is the final evolution of the original
Denney Kitfox design. One of the most successful
kits on the market today, the Classic IV kit has been
on the market for almost 8 years. The Classic IV has
heavier lift struts and gear legs as well as beefed
up carry through tubes in the fuselage to allow a
higher gross weight than earlier Model 4 kits. The
height of the vertical stabilizer and rudder were
increased by 10 inches and the rudder depth was
increased 2 inches to allow for improved handling.
The Classic IV is also available in a short wing
Speedster configuration for pilots who want more
speed and faster roll rate. The Speedster package
streamlines the Classic IV with a variety of fairings
and adds 10-20 mph to this models top speed.
Gross weight 1200 lbs.
Average cruise speed 105 mph
Stall Speed 34 mph
Average empty weight 550 lbs.
Average useful load 650 lbs.
Max speed (Vne) 125 mph (140 mph w/
Speedster)
Cabin width 41 in.
Wing span 32 ft. (29 ft
w/ Speedster)
Length (wings folded) 21 ft. 1 in.
Width (wings folded) 7 ft. 11 in.
Height 68.5 in.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It
also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
>Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got
the kit, they told me it
>was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it
the Classic IV Speedster
>when I spoke with tech support several years ago.
They told me it was a
>Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when
I told them that I
>ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a
Speedster was a classic IV
>with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a
Classic IV Speedster
>because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have.
What ever the name, the
>gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled
tailfeathers and short wings.
>
>I read all this with interest and amusement. I
bought my plane from the
>original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he
was selling it I wanted
>to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and
experienced all this with no
>real solid set in concrete definition of what my
plane is. I found this very
>strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However
the main point I thought I
>got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft
laminar flow wing [ ie:-
>flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster"
and the normal wing cut
>down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I
am not going to argue
>about it however as I am fast coming to the
impression that no one really
>knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have
gained different ideas and
>in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it
really matter if one is
>happy with what they have got ? It's just that the
lack of a definite name
>leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what
exactly one is talking
>about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a
Speedster with my
>serial number as it came later. They then told me
the Speedster was not a
>29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing.
Can you work it out ?
>
>Rex.
>
>Australia.
>rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gunn, Michael (Space Technology)" <michael.gunn@ngc.com>
Is there anyone on the list flying with a 912 in the Southern California area?
Mike N5291R
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| Subject: | My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. |
I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
This is really entertaining... considering they are all Model IV's
A Rose by any other name is still a Rose.........
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flier
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Below is from the Kitfox history. Note that the
Model IV, Classic IV, and Speedster wing is laminar
flow and is not flat bottom. It is slightly
concave. I personally have a 4-1200. The main
difference between it and a Speedster was the cutdown
wing, split flaperons, tail weldments to support the
ribs/gap seals, and the fairings. I added all the
Speedster fairings to my IV-1200. You've either got
a Model 4 Speedster or a regular Model 4-1200 with
some Speedster options.
Model 4-1200 (1992) Serial #1723-
The Model 4-1200, currently sold by SkyStar as the
Classic IV, is the final evolution of the original
Denney Kitfox design. One of the most successful
kits on the market today, the Classic IV kit has been
on the market for almost 8 years. The Classic IV has
heavier lift struts and gear legs as well as beefed
up carry through tubes in the fuselage to allow a
higher gross weight than earlier Model 4 kits. The
height of the vertical stabilizer and rudder were
increased by 10 inches and the rudder depth was
increased 2 inches to allow for improved handling.
The Classic IV is also available in a short wing
Speedster configuration for pilots who want more
speed and faster roll rate. The Speedster package
streamlines the Classic IV with a variety of fairings
and adds 10-20 mph to this models top speed.
Gross weight 1200 lbs.
Average cruise speed 105 mph
Stall Speed 34 mph
Average empty weight 550 lbs.
Average useful load 650 lbs.
Max speed (Vne) 125 mph (140 mph w/
Speedster)
Cabin width 41 in.
Wing span 32 ft. (29 ft
w/ Speedster)
Length (wings folded) 21 ft. 1 in.
Width (wings folded) 7 ft. 11 in.
Height 68.5 in.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It
also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
>Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got
the kit, they told me it
>was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it
the Classic IV Speedster
>when I spoke with tech support several years ago.
They told me it was a
>Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when
I told them that I
>ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a
Speedster was a classic IV
>with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a
Classic IV Speedster
>because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have.
What ever the name, the
>gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled
tailfeathers and short wings.
>
>I read all this with interest and amusement. I
bought my plane from the
>original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he
was selling it I wanted
>to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and
experienced all this with no
>real solid set in concrete definition of what my
plane is. I found this very
>strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However
the main point I thought I
>got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft
laminar flow wing [ ie:-
>flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster"
and the normal wing cut
>down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I
am not going to argue
>about it however as I am fast coming to the
impression that no one really
>knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have
gained different ideas and
>in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it
really matter if one is
>happy with what they have got ? It's just that the
lack of a definite name
>leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what
exactly one is talking
>about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a
Speedster with my
>serial number as it came later. They then told me
the Speedster was not a
>29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing.
Can you work it out ?
>
>Rex.
>
>Australia.
>rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great Website! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Great site. Thanks,Steve.
Fred
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| Subject: | My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. |
I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I one question: On the Vne it says 125 and 140 with speedster. Does that
mean if you shorten the wings the Vne goes to 140?
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flier
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the
shorter wings. I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Below is from the Kitfox history. Note that the
Model IV, Classic IV, and Speedster wing is laminar
flow and is not flat bottom. It is slightly
concave. I personally have a 4-1200. The main
difference between it and a Speedster was the cutdown
wing, split flaperons, tail weldments to support the
ribs/gap seals, and the fairings. I added all the
Speedster fairings to my IV-1200. You've either got
a Model 4 Speedster or a regular Model 4-1200 with
some Speedster options.
Model 4-1200 (1992) Serial #1723-
The Model 4-1200, currently sold by SkyStar as the
Classic IV, is the final evolution of the original
Denney Kitfox design. One of the most successful
kits on the market today, the Classic IV kit has been
on the market for almost 8 years. The Classic IV has
heavier lift struts and gear legs as well as beefed
up carry through tubes in the fuselage to allow a
higher gross weight than earlier Model 4 kits. The
height of the vertical stabilizer and rudder were
increased by 10 inches and the rudder depth was
increased 2 inches to allow for improved handling.
The Classic IV is also available in a short wing
Speedster configuration for pilots who want more
speed and faster roll rate. The Speedster package
streamlines the Classic IV with a variety of fairings
and adds 10-20 mph to this models top speed.
Gross weight 1200 lbs.
Average cruise speed 105 mph
Stall Speed 34 mph
Average empty weight 550 lbs.
Average useful load 650 lbs.
Max speed (Vne) 125 mph (140 mph w/
Speedster)
Cabin width 41 in.
Wing span 32 ft. (29 ft
w/ Speedster)
Length (wings folded) 21 ft. 1 in.
Width (wings folded) 7 ft. 11 in.
Height 68.5 in.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It
also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
>Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got
the kit, they told me it
>was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it
the Classic IV Speedster
>when I spoke with tech support several years ago.
They told me it was a
>Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when
I told them that I
>ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a
Speedster was a classic IV
>with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a
Classic IV Speedster
>because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have.
What ever the name, the
>gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled
tailfeathers and short wings.
>
>I read all this with interest and amusement. I
bought my plane from the
>original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he
was selling it I wanted
>to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and
experienced all this with no
>real solid set in concrete definition of what my
plane is. I found this very
>strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However
the main point I thought I
>got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft
laminar flow wing [ ie:-
>flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster"
and the normal wing cut
>down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I
am not going to argue
>about it however as I am fast coming to the
impression that no one really
>knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have
gained different ideas and
>in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it
really matter if one is
>happy with what they have got ? It's just that the
lack of a definite name
>leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what
exactly one is talking
>about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a
Speedster with my
>serial number as it came later. They then told me
the Speedster was not a
>29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing.
Can you work it out ?
>
>Rex.
>
>Australia.
>rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. |
I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Maybe this will help. First of all "Speed Wing" to my knowledge has never
been used with reference to a Kitfox. It is a term that the Avid factory, I
believe, used with one of their wing designs.
The Speedster was introduced in late 1992 along with the upgrade of the
Model IV 1050 to the Model IV 1200. This was a gross weight increase. This
also corresponded with the sale of Denney Aerocraft to Phil Reed which
became Skystar Aircraft Corp. I ordered my Kitfox from Denney Aerocraft in
December of 1992 and it was delivered by Skystar in March of 1993. The
Speedster kit was shipped with a distinctive serial number. My serial
m\number is CCU 008. The first C represents the month (3) of manufacture.
the second C represents the Year of manufacture 9(3) and the U represents
standard model. If I had ordered a Speedster, my serial number would be CCS
008 - the S meaning Speedster.
Some time later - a year or three, a new President was brought in. His name
escapes me for the moment, but one of his first moves was to discontinue the
Model IV - long wing and Speedster - in favor of concentrating on the Series
V and the purchase of Pulsar. When Ed Downs came back, a year or two after
that - I ordered my kit from Ed in 1992 - one of the first things he did was
resurrect the Model IV and in keeping with Coca-Cola's resurrection of their
original formula, Ed called it the Classic IV, i.e. Classic Coke. The
Speedster was not resurrected as an official model designation at that time.
The Speedster modifications were always available as options to Model IV /
Classic IV builders so anyone that has a Model IV - 1200 or a Classic IV
could build an exact Speedster look a like, but it would be considered a
Model / Classic IV with Speedster mods. based on serial number.
An example might be a classic Corvette. If the serial number shows it to be
a wimpy 6 cylinder production model that someone put all the muscle stuff
into, it would remain a modified wimp. It might look the same, perform the
same and cost the same, but you wouldn't accurately be able to call it
anything than a modified such and such. I am not much of a car guy, so
apologies for the poor example.
All this said, it wouldn't offend me a bit if a Classic IV owner that had
all the Speedster modifications, simply referred to his airplane as a
Speedster. I think it might be a bit misleading however, if it were
presented to a prospective buyer as a Speedster, even though it could be
identical in every way to a Speedster, except for the S in the serial
number.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
> Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me
it
> was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV
Speedster
> when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
> Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
> ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic
IV
> with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
> because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name,
the
> gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short
wings.
>
> I read all this with interest and amusement. I bought my plane from the
> original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he was selling it I
wanted
> to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and experienced all this with no
> real solid set in concrete definition of what my plane is. I found this
very
> strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However the main point I thought
I
> got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft laminar flow wing [
ie:-
> flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster" and the normal wing cut
> down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I am not going to argue
> about it however as I am fast coming to the impression that no one really
> knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have gained different ideas
and
> in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it really matter if one
is
> happy with what they have got ? It's just that the lack of a definite name
> leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what exactly one is talking
> about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a Speedster with my
> serial number as it came later. They then told me the Speedster was not a
> 29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing. Can you work it out ?
>
> Rex.
>
> Australia.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for clearing that up, Lowell. My plane is serial numbered ADU
150, and Frank Miller told me that it was built (or sold) in Jan of
1994, so your number /letter code explanation holds true for my plane,
a IV-1200. Nice to get an explanation that works.
Lynn
do not archive
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 09:49 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> My serial
> m\number is CCU 008. The first C represents the month (3) of
> manufacture.
> the second C represents the Year of manufacture 9(3) and the U
> represents
> standard model. If I had ordered a Speedster, my serial number would
> be CCS
> 008 - the S meaning Speedster.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
TEST TEST TEST
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| Subject: | Re: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter |
wings. I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <tomfromlapine@peoplepc.com>
Here's my story,
In 1994 I read an article in an Aviation magazine about Skystar's new
model of kit plane, called the "XL". I wanted one so flew right over
there in my Cherokee to check it out. They informed me the XL was no
longer available in the US, only from Skystar France, in France of
course. But, they had just introduced a new model called the Classic 4
and it was the same as the XL. So,I ordered the Classic 4 with the 503
Rotax. Then I was a little confused when a big box arrived with parts
labeled XL, Series 5, 912 firewall, 582 muffler shield, and, some
Classic 4 parts as well. It was supposed to be a complete Kit but no
parts were provided to hook up the fuel system or mount the engine to
the motor mount. My Classic 4 manual had the engine and fuel system
sections for an XL but I didn't have most of those parts. Thanks to the
good nature of a fellow they had just hired named Dan Hansen, I
eventually was sent enough parts to make a complete airplane. Then the
Lite squared was introduced which turned out was supposed to be the same
as the classic 4. I have come to the conclusion that the reality is,
they are all the same except different.
I ended up bending that airplane on the third flight. Skystar took GOOD
care of me getting it rebuilt and I support them today for doing that!!!
Thanks Skystar,
Tom Jones
PS, I have a 582 muffler shield if anyone needs one and my series 5
rudder gap seal ended up on a classic 4 in Texas.
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Maybe this will help. First of all "Speed Wing" to my knowledge has never
> been used with reference to a Kitfox. It is a term that the Avid factory, I
> believe, used with one of their wing designs.
>
> The Speedster was introduced in late 1992 along with the upgrade of the
> Model IV 1050 to the Model IV 1200. This was a gross weight increase. This
> also corresponded with the sale of Denney Aerocraft to Phil Reed which
> became Skystar Aircraft Corp. I ordered my Kitfox from Denney Aerocraft in
> December of 1992 and it was delivered by Skystar in March of 1993. The
> Speedster kit was shipped with a distinctive serial number. My serial
> m\number is CCU 008. The first C represents the month (3) of manufacture.
> the second C represents the Year of manufacture 9(3) and the U represents
> standard model. If I had ordered a Speedster, my serial number would be CCS
> 008 - the S meaning Speedster.
>
> Some time later - a year or three, a new President was brought in. His name
> escapes me for the moment, but one of his first moves was to discontinue the
> Model IV - long wing and Speedster - in favor of concentrating on the Series
> V and the purchase of Pulsar. When Ed Downs came back, a year or two after
> that - I ordered my kit from Ed in 1992 - one of the first things he did was
> resurrect the Model IV and in keeping with Coca-Cola's resurrection of their
> original formula, Ed called it the Classic IV, i.e. Classic Coke. The
> Speedster was not resurrected as an official model designation at that time.
>
> The Speedster modifications were always available as options to Model IV /
> Classic IV builders so anyone that has a Model IV - 1200 or a Classic IV
> could build an exact Speedster look a like, but it would be considered a
> Model / Classic IV with Speedster mods. based on serial number.
>
> An example might be a classic Corvette. If the serial number shows it to be
> a wimpy 6 cylinder production model that someone put all the muscle stuff
> into, it would remain a modified wimp. It might look the same, perform the
> same and cost the same, but you wouldn't accurately be able to call it
> anything than a modified such and such. I am not much of a car guy, so
> apologies for the poor example.
>
> All this said, it wouldn't offend me a bit if a Classic IV owner that had
> all the Speedster modifications, simply referred to his airplane as a
> Speedster. I think it might be a bit misleading however, if it were
> presented to a prospective buyer as a Speedster, even though it could be
> identical in every way to a Speedster, except for the S in the serial
> number.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
> wings. I ordered the
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>>
>>My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
>>Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me
>
> it
>
>>was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV
>
> Speedster
>
>>when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
>>Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
>>ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic
>
> IV
>
>>with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
>>because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name,
>
> the
>
>>gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short
>
> wings.
>
>>I read all this with interest and amusement. I bought my plane from the
>>original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he was selling it I
>
> wanted
>
>>to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and experienced all this with no
>>real solid set in concrete definition of what my plane is. I found this
>
> very
>
>>strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However the main point I thought
>
> I
>
>>got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft laminar flow wing [
>
> ie:-
>
>>flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster" and the normal wing cut
>>down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I am not going to argue
>>about it however as I am fast coming to the impression that no one really
>>knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have gained different ideas
>
> and
>
>>in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it really matter if one
>
> is
>
>>happy with what they have got ? It's just that the lack of a definite name
>>leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what exactly one is talking
>>about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a Speedster with my
>>serial number as it came later. They then told me the Speedster was not a
>>29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing. Can you work it out ?
>>
>>Rex.
>>
>>Australia.
>>rexjan@bigpond.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Right on Lowell..... They also changes the serial number with the Classic
IV designation. You are also correct about not being a car guy.. :)
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Maybe this will help. First of all "Speed Wing" to my knowledge has never
been used with reference to a Kitfox. It is a term that the Avid factory, I
believe, used with one of their wing designs.
The Speedster was introduced in late 1992 along with the upgrade of the
Model IV 1050 to the Model IV 1200. This was a gross weight increase. This
also corresponded with the sale of Denney Aerocraft to Phil Reed which
became Skystar Aircraft Corp. I ordered my Kitfox from Denney Aerocraft in
December of 1992 and it was delivered by Skystar in March of 1993. The
Speedster kit was shipped with a distinctive serial number. My serial
m\number is CCU 008. The first C represents the month (3) of manufacture.
the second C represents the Year of manufacture 9(3) and the U represents
standard model. If I had ordered a Speedster, my serial number would be CCS
008 - the S meaning Speedster.
Some time later - a year or three, a new President was brought in. His name
escapes me for the moment, but one of his first moves was to discontinue the
Model IV - long wing and Speedster - in favor of concentrating on the Series
V and the purchase of Pulsar. When Ed Downs came back, a year or two after
that - I ordered my kit from Ed in 1992 - one of the first things he did was
resurrect the Model IV and in keeping with Coca-Cola's resurrection of their
original formula, Ed called it the Classic IV, i.e. Classic Coke. The
Speedster was not resurrected as an official model designation at that time.
The Speedster modifications were always available as options to Model IV /
Classic IV builders so anyone that has a Model IV - 1200 or a Classic IV
could build an exact Speedster look a like, but it would be considered a
Model / Classic IV with Speedster mods. based on serial number.
An example might be a classic Corvette. If the serial number shows it to be
a wimpy 6 cylinder production model that someone put all the muscle stuff
into, it would remain a modified wimp. It might look the same, perform the
same and cost the same, but you wouldn't accurately be able to call it
anything than a modified such and such. I am not much of a car guy, so
apologies for the poor example.
All this said, it wouldn't offend me a bit if a Classic IV owner that had
all the Speedster modifications, simply referred to his airplane as a
Speedster. I think it might be a bit misleading however, if it were
presented to a prospective buyer as a Speedster, even though it could be
identical in every way to a Speedster, except for the S in the serial
number.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter
wings. I ordered the
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> My plane is a Classic IV. It also has the shorter wings. I ordered the
> Speedster when I purchased the kit, then when I got the kit, they told me
it
> was a Classic IV with speedster mods. I called it the Classic IV
Speedster
> when I spoke with tech support several years ago. They told me it was a
> Classic IV without the Speedster title, however when I told them that I
> ordered a Speedster not a classic IV, they said a Speedster was a classic
IV
> with Speedster mods. So, I guess I will call it a Classic IV Speedster
> because nobody at Skystar will tell me what I have. What ever the name,
the
> gross weight is 1200 lbs, and it has airfoiled tailfeathers and short
wings.
>
> I read all this with interest and amusement. I bought my plane from the
> original builder 12 months ago. At that time when he was selling it I
wanted
> to verify his claims. I contacted Skystar and experienced all this with no
> real solid set in concrete definition of what my plane is. I found this
very
> strange and a bit disturbing at the time. However the main point I thought
I
> got out of all this was that my plane with the 32ft laminar flow wing [
ie:-
> flat across the bottom ] is called the "Speedster" and the normal wing cut
> down to 29ft when built is called " Speedwing " I am not going to argue
> about it however as I am fast coming to the impression that no one really
> knows strangely enough. I guess a lot of us have gained different ideas
and
> in the end thought we had it sorted. Anyway does it really matter if one
is
> happy with what they have got ? It's just that the lack of a definite name
> leaves a certain amount of confusion as to what exactly one is talking
> about. Skystar originally told me I could not have a Speedster with my
> serial number as it came later. They then told me the Speedster was not a
> 29ft cut down wing but the 32ft laminar flow wing. Can you work it out ?
>
> Rex.
>
> Australia.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Alright Clint! Your message made it to the list.
(His email was being rejected by Majordomo)
Don Pearsall
List Admin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Subject: Kitfox-List: Test/ turned on Rich Text Editor
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
<clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
TEST TEST TEST
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| Subject: | 912 Ignition Module Problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
A friend is experiencing a problem with one of his 912 ignition modules on
his Model IV Speedster. One module appears to not be working, so he switched
all wires with the other unit. It still does not work. Is there some way to
verify the condition of an ignition module? If it needs replacing, has anyone
found a source other than the Rotax dealers at a price that doesn't take your
breath away, or does anyone have a working spare that he might borrow to try on
his engine?
Thanks for your ideas, and Happy Holidays.
Stan Specht
N16KC "Columbine"
Kitfox Model IV Speedster 912ul
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