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     1. 03:47 AM - Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch (Fox5flyer)
     2. 04:49 AM - Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch (shortnaked)
     3. 07:30 AM - Re: 8" wheels (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
     4. 07:35 AM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (customtrans@qwest.net)
     5. 07:55 AM - Re: Kitfox Model IV-1200 and Classic IV and Speedster (customtrans@qwest.net)
     6. 08:01 AM - oil cooler (Dee Young)
     7. 10:02 AM - Re: Fuel injector (kurt schrader)
     8. 10:42 AM - How much fuel (Clint Bazzill)
     9. 11:09 AM - Re: How much fuel (W Duke)
    10. 02:35 PM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (Jeffrey Puls)
    11. 04:01 PM - Re: How much fuel (kurt schrader)
    12. 04:32 PM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (customtrans@qwest.net)
    13. 05:22 PM - Re: Fuel injector (shortnaked)
    14. 06:57 PM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (Fox5flyer)
    15. 06:59 PM - Re: How much fuel (Steve Zakreski)
    16. 09:02 PM - Re: Fuel injector (NSI AERO)
    17. 10:12 PM - Re: Fuel injector (kurt schrader)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Kurt, I'm one of those who drilled out the nozzle.  Up here the Michigan
      winters proved real quick that the stock nozzle size wasn't hacking it.  It
      would initially start, but not enough prime available to keep it running.
      Never had a problem after the drilling.  As for how much it shoots?  Who
      cares...
      Darrel
      >
      > I am not sure I could give you a definitive volume
      > answer.  Unlike an injector that pumps so much per
      > stoke, this is just a spray injector that shoots fuel
      > into the intake manifold for as long as the solenoid
      > is open.  The volume also depends upon fuel pressure.
      >
      > Like a garden hose, this is about as simple as it
      > gets.  Main fuel line - solenoid - hose - spray nozzle
      > - intake manifold.
      >
      > I wouldn't now if it puts out 1 cc/sec or what.  And
      > it would change with fuel pressure anyway.
      >
      > Does anyone else with a NSI engine have a better
      > answer?
      >
      > Kurt S.
      >
      > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote:
      >
      > > what volume does your primer iject ( insert) give
      > > to engine?
      > >
      > > and yes the colder you get the more prime you will
      > > need unless you are using a pre heater or a heated
      > > hangar.
      > >
      > > Shorty
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
      
      Kurt,
      
      Ok  I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up just like turning on
      the tap.
      I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a pre-measured amount of
      fuel like most primers do.
      Kinda scary if that solenoid even stuck open don't you think ?
      
      Shorty
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      >
      > I am not sure I could give you a definitive volume
      > answer.  Unlike an injector that pumps so much per
      > stoke, this is just a spray injector that shoots fuel
      > into the intake manifold for as long as the solenoid
      > is open.  The volume also depends upon fuel pressure.
      >
      > Like a garden hose, this is about as simple as it
      > gets.  Main fuel line - solenoid - hose - spray nozzle
      > - intake manifold.
      >
      > I wouldn't now if it puts out 1 cc/sec or what.  And
      > it would change with fuel pressure anyway.
      >
      > Does anyone else with a NSI engine have a better
      > answer?
      >
      > Kurt S.
      >
      > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote:
      >
      > > what volume does your primer iject ( insert) give
      > > to engine?
      > >
      > > and yes the colder you get the more prime you will
      > > need unless you are using a pre heater or a heated
      > > hangar.
      > >
      > > Shorty
      >
      >
      > __________________________________
      > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
      
      
      -------------- Original message from "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>:
      -------------- 
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" 
      > 
      > I need an 8" wheel for my 1993 vintage Speedster. Hoping that some of you that
      
      > switched to the 6" wheel might have one laying around and be willing to sell
      it. 
      > 
      > Thank you. 
      > 
      > Jimmie 
      > Jimmie,
      If you are still using the old style Skystar wheels, Wicks aircraft has the tire
      that will fit.  It's called turf glide and I put them on my Fox.  They are 4ply
      so a bit harder to get around the rim but they do go on.  I like them!!
      
      Ray 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
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       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
      
       I need an 8" wheel for my 1993 vintage Speedster. Hoping that some of you that
      
       switched to the 6" wheel might have one laying around and be willing to sell it.
      
      
       Thank you. 
      
       Jimmie 
       Jimmie,
      
      
      If you are still using the old style Skystar wheels, Wicks aircraft has the tire
      that will fit. It's called turf glide and I put them on my Fox. They are 4ply
      so a bit harder to get around the rim but they do go on. I like them!!
      
      
      Ray
      
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| Subject:  | 912 ul 80hp oil cooler | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      Nothing ordered yet.
      
      steve a
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      
      Steve,
      I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I
      went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was
      too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV
      
      
      > [Original Message]
      > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      >
      > Group,
      > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox.  Place to buy and a
      > cooler that cools good would be nice info.  I tried to find the earls
      cooler
      > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer
      > available.
      >
      > steve a
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Kitfox Model IV-1200 and Classic IV and Speedster | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      Well, this is way cool.  A while back I asked about raising the Vne on the
      model 4 and was told it couldn't be done.  Now I here that if you put in the
      .125 windscreen you can raise the Vne.  I look at raised Vne as a means to
      straighten the air structure.  Not necessarily a means to go faster.  I am
      building into my model 4 everything for the speedster except the vertical
      stab stuff, why, I don't see a reason to.  The gap between the vertical and
      rudder is eliminated with a piece of wood(in my airplane) that runs down the
      trailing edge of the vertical with openings for the attaching points for the
      rudder.  I'm shortening the wings to speedster length.  I'm contemplating
      putting on the two weights per aileron, I feel this would cut down the
      chance of flutter in the ailerons.  Lastly, the airplane is getting 2.7
      ounce fabric with rib lacing.  Should make for a better airplane.
      
      steve a
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint
      Bazzill
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model IV-1200 and Classic IV and Speedster
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
      <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
      
      John Mcbean  can correct me on this but I believe that the speed on the
      Model IV was limited to 125 MPH because  the wind screen distortated at the
      higher airspeeds.  The Model IV came with a .093 inch thickness.  I now
      have a .125 inch wind screenand have increased  my  Vne to 140 MPH
      
      Other differences of the earlier Speedsters was split flaperon.  Dual
      balance weights on flaperons, 1/2 on each end.  Built up tail feathers,
      electric trim. Shortend wings.   Radiator scoop fairing etc. And of course a
      .125 inch wind screen that people seem to have trouble installing.  I put
      one on and had no problems.     Clint
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
      
      A different idea, I purchased a motorcycle oil cooler off ebay, it works 
      very well and was only $15.00.
      
      Dee Young
      Model II
      N345DY
      
      do not archive
      
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fuel injector | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Shortnaked,
      
      Primer stuck open?
      
      That's nothing.  How about having a bird fly into the
      cowl and break the primer line off, blowing raw fuel
      on the engine?  In flight fire.  Then land in an ammo
      dump.  Then hit mud and flip over.  The plane burns
      up, but you walk away with just seat belt burns...?
      
      Some people will do almost anything just to get back
      to building.  :-)  Right Howard?
      
      A guy who picks a good, safe plane, builds it well,
      flys it well, still needs some luck and a little help
      from above for good mesaure.  IMHO
      
      Actually, all kidding aside, I am more worried about
      my gascolator than the primer.  If the primer sticks
      open, the engine will probably flood and quit.  That
      is unlikely to happen any time after startup.  But I
      have the standard gascolator and don't think much of
      its structure from a safety standpoint.  If it breaks,
      I'll probably get hot feet as a minimum.  Unlike
      Howard, I'll need good luck, Devine intervention, and
      group theropy after that...
      
      Kurt S.
      
      --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote:
      
      > Kurt,
      > 
      > Ok  I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up
      > just like turning on the tap.
      > I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a
      > pre-measured amount of fuel like most primers do.
      > Kinda scary if that solenoid even stuck open don't
      > you think ?
      > 
      > Shorty
      
      
                      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
      
      Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put in the standard 13 gal 
      wing tank?.  Clint
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: How much fuel | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
      
      I have not put more than 13 but if I put more than 11-12 some spills through a
      vent tube onto my wing.
      
      Maxwell
      
      Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> wrote:
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" 
      
      Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put in the standard 13 gal 
      wing tank?. Clint
      
      
                      
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| Subject:  | 912 ul 80hp oil cooler | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      
      Steve,
      I don't have the mounting hardware but the cooler was only used about 3
      times. It's like new. I'll tell you what, this list has been so good to me
      I'll give something back. You can have it if you pay shipping. Jeff Classic
      IV
      
      
      > [Original Message]
      > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Date: 12/14/2004 10:35:14 AM
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      >
      > Nothing ordered yet.
      >
      > steve a
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      >
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      >
      > Steve,
      > I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I
      > went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was
      > too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV
      >
      >
      > > [Original Message]
      > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM
      > > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      > >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      > >
      > > Group,
      > > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox.  Place to buy and a
      > > cooler that cools good would be nice info.  I tried to find the earls
      > cooler
      > > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer
      > > available.
      > >
      > > steve a
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: How much fuel | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      I agree.  Mine will hold 13.8 if perfectly leveled,
      but will vent with far less than that due to an angled
      hill between me and my runway.  Wings are stained even
      thru the clear aerothane.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5/NSI turbo
      
      --- W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      > I have not put more than 13 but if I put more than
      > 11-12 some spills through a vent tube onto my wing.
      > 
      > Maxwell
      > 
      > Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> wrote:
      >
      > Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put
      > in the standard 13 gal wing tank?.
      
       Clint
      
      
                      
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| Subject:  | 912 ul 80hp oil cooler | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      If that's what you want.  How about an address.  thanks
      you can email me at customtrans@qwest.net
      
      steve a
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      
      Steve,
      I don't have the mounting hardware but the cooler was only used about 3
      times. It's like new. I'll tell you what, this list has been so good to me
      I'll give something back. You can have it if you pay shipping. Jeff Classic
      IV
      
      
      > [Original Message]
      > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Date: 12/14/2004 10:35:14 AM
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      >
      > Nothing ordered yet.
      >
      > steve a
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      >
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      >
      > Steve,
      > I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I
      > went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was
      > too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV
      >
      >
      > > [Original Message]
      > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM
      > > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      > >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      > >
      > > Group,
      > > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox.  Place to buy and a
      > > cooler that cools good would be nice info.  I tried to find the earls
      > cooler
      > > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer
      > > available.
      > >
      > > steve a
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fuel injector | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
      
      I assume that your primer is activated by a solenoid  ?
      well if it stuck open and kept pumping fuel most likely you would flood out
      the engine. this is ismular to a fuel injection in a electronic fuel
      injection used in automotive and when you give full throttle you just flood
      the engine.  If it works for you  great.
      
      A manual primer with a regulated  and consisitent volume manual would be in
      my opinion satisfactory and near fool proof.
      
      Shorty
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      >
      > Shortnaked,
      >
      > Primer stuck open?
      >
      > That's nothing.  How about having a bird fly into the
      > cowl and break the primer line off, blowing raw fuel
      > on the engine?  In flight fire.  Then land in an ammo
      > dump.  Then hit mud and flip over.  The plane burns
      > up, but you walk away with just seat belt burns...?
      >
      > Some people will do almost anything just to get back
      > to building.  :-)  Right Howard?
      >
      > A guy who picks a good, safe plane, builds it well,
      > flys it well, still needs some luck and a little help
      > from above for good mesaure.  IMHO
      >
      > Actually, all kidding aside, I am more worried about
      > my gascolator than the primer.  If the primer sticks
      > open, the engine will probably flood and quit.  That
      > is unlikely to happen any time after startup.  But I
      > have the standard gascolator and don't think much of
      > its structure from a safety standpoint.  If it breaks,
      > I'll probably get hot feet as a minimum.  Unlike
      > Howard, I'll need good luck, Devine intervention, and
      > group theropy after that...
      >
      > Kurt S.
      >
      > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote:
      >
      > > Kurt,
      > >
      > > Ok  I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up
      > > just like turning on the tap.
      > > I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a
      > > pre-measured amount of fuel like most primers do.
      > > Kinda scary if that solenoid even stuck open don't
      > > you think ?
      > >
      > > Shorty
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      That was good of you Jeff.  It's what this list is all about.
      Darrel
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      >
      > Steve,
      > I don't have the mounting hardware but the cooler was only used about 3
      > times. It's like new. I'll tell you what, this list has been so good to me
      > I'll give something back. You can have it if you pay shipping. Jeff
      Classic
      > IV
      >
      >
      > > [Original Message]
      > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > > Date: 12/14/2004 10:35:14 AM
      > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      > >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      > >
      > > Nothing ordered yet.
      > >
      > > steve a
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls
      > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      > >
      > >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
      <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      > >
      > > Steve,
      > > I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I
      > > went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler
      was
      > > too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV
      > >
      > >
      > > > [Original Message]
      > > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net>
      > > > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > > > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM
      > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
      > > >
      > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      > > >
      > > > Group,
      > > > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox.  Place to buy and a
      > > > cooler that cools good would be nice info.  I tried to find the earls
      > > cooler
      > > > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer
      > > > available.
      > > >
      > > > steve a
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
      
      I put in something like 14.1 if I recall correctly.  Funny story though.
      The first time I was doing my calibration, I filled the right tank 1 gallon
      at a time with the fuel valve close of course.  Each time I carefully marked
      the position on the sight glass.  Well, I put in 10 gallons, then 11, then
      12, then 13, then 14, then 15, then 16, then 17....before I said...waiiiit a
      minute, what's going on.  I finally figured out fuel was flowing back to the
      header tank via the fuel vent hose!
      
      SteveZ
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint
      Bazzill
      Subject: Kitfox-List: How much fuel
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
      <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
      
      Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put in the standard 13 gal
      wing tank?.  Clint
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
      
      Shorty,
      The primer is not just like an automotive system.  If it were to stay open,
      simply lean out the fuel mixture control to compensate for the additional
      fuel.
      
      Lance
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
      
      I assume that your primer is activated by a solenoid  ?
      well if it stuck open and kept pumping fuel most likely you would flood out
      the engine. this is ismular to a fuel injection in a electronic fuel
      injection used in automotive and when you give full throttle you just flood
      the engine.  If it works for you  great.
      
      A manual primer with a regulated  and consisitent volume manual would be in
      my opinion satisfactory and near fool proof.
      
      Shorty
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      >
      > Shortnaked,
      >
      > Primer stuck open?
      >
      > That's nothing.  How about having a bird fly into the
      > cowl and break the primer line off, blowing raw fuel
      > on the engine?  In flight fire.  Then land in an ammo
      > dump.  Then hit mud and flip over.  The plane burns
      > up, but you walk away with just seat belt burns...?
      >
      > Some people will do almost anything just to get back
      > to building.  :-)  Right Howard?
      >
      > A guy who picks a good, safe plane, builds it well,
      > flys it well, still needs some luck and a little help
      > from above for good mesaure.  IMHO
      >
      > Actually, all kidding aside, I am more worried about
      > my gascolator than the primer.  If the primer sticks
      > open, the engine will probably flood and quit.  That
      > is unlikely to happen any time after startup.  But I
      > have the standard gascolator and don't think much of
      > its structure from a safety standpoint.  If it breaks,
      > I'll probably get hot feet as a minimum.  Unlike
      > Howard, I'll need good luck, Devine intervention, and
      > group theropy after that...
      >
      > Kurt S.
      >
      > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote:
      >
      > > Kurt,
      > >
      > > Ok  I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up
      > > just like turning on the tap.
      > > I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a pre-measured 
      > > amount of fuel like most primers do. Kinda scary if that solenoid 
      > > even stuck open don't you think ?
      > >
      > > Shorty
      >
      >
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      >
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Great point Lance,
      
      The amount of fuel being sprayed into the intake
      manifold in this setup is small compared to a direct
      primer, or direct fuel injection.  If it opened in
      flight, I think you would see the engine go rich and
      would naturally lean it to compensate, even before
      knowing why you needed to.  Only at low power settings
      would you see the volume of extra fuel go very rich,
      IMHO.
      
      It would require a new mixture setting with every
      throttle change though, since the primer volume is
      steady.
      
      Never heard of any such failures with this system.  I
      think ACS carries the solenoid, so others may be using
      it too.  In any case, it seems to work.
      
      Kurt S.
      
      --- NSI AERO <info@nsiaero.com> wrote:
      
      > Shorty,
      > The primer is not just like an automotive system. 
      > If it were to stay open, simply lean out the fuel 
      > mixture control to compensate for the additional
      > fuel.
      > 
      > Lance
      
      
                      
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