Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Tue 12/14/04


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 03:47 AM - Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch (Fox5flyer)
     2. 04:49 AM - Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch (shortnaked)
     3. 07:30 AM - Re: 8" wheels (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
     4. 07:35 AM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (customtrans@qwest.net)
     5. 07:55 AM - Re: Kitfox Model IV-1200 and Classic IV and Speedster (customtrans@qwest.net)
     6. 08:01 AM - oil cooler (Dee Young)
     7. 10:02 AM - Re: Fuel injector (kurt schrader)
     8. 10:42 AM - How much fuel (Clint Bazzill)
     9. 11:09 AM - Re: How much fuel (W Duke)
    10. 02:35 PM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (Jeffrey Puls)
    11. 04:01 PM - Re: How much fuel (kurt schrader)
    12. 04:32 PM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (customtrans@qwest.net)
    13. 05:22 PM - Re: Fuel injector (shortnaked)
    14. 06:57 PM - Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler (Fox5flyer)
    15. 06:59 PM - Re: How much fuel (Steve Zakreski)
    16. 09:02 PM - Re: Fuel injector (NSI AERO)
    17. 10:12 PM - Re: Fuel injector (kurt schrader)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:47:30 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Kurt, I'm one of those who drilled out the nozzle. Up here the Michigan winters proved real quick that the stock nozzle size wasn't hacking it. It would initially start, but not enough prime available to keep it running. Never had a problem after the drilling. As for how much it shoots? Who cares... Darrel > > I am not sure I could give you a definitive volume > answer. Unlike an injector that pumps so much per > stoke, this is just a spray injector that shoots fuel > into the intake manifold for as long as the solenoid > is open. The volume also depends upon fuel pressure. > > Like a garden hose, this is about as simple as it > gets. Main fuel line - solenoid - hose - spray nozzle > - intake manifold. > > I wouldn't now if it puts out 1 cc/sec or what. And > it would change with fuel pressure anyway. > > Does anyone else with a NSI engine have a better > answer? > > Kurt S. > > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote: > > > what volume does your primer iject ( insert) give > > to engine? > > > > and yes the colder you get the more prime you will > > need unless you are using a pre heater or a heated > > hangar. > > > > Shorty > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >


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    Time: 04:49:31 AM PST US
    From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net> Kurt, Ok I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up just like turning on the tap. I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a pre-measured amount of fuel like most primers do. Kinda scary if that solenoid even stuck open don't you think ? Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector/was Ignition Switch > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> > > I am not sure I could give you a definitive volume > answer. Unlike an injector that pumps so much per > stoke, this is just a spray injector that shoots fuel > into the intake manifold for as long as the solenoid > is open. The volume also depends upon fuel pressure. > > Like a garden hose, this is about as simple as it > gets. Main fuel line - solenoid - hose - spray nozzle > - intake manifold. > > I wouldn't now if it puts out 1 cc/sec or what. And > it would change with fuel pressure anyway. > > Does anyone else with a NSI engine have a better > answer? > > Kurt S. > > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote: > > > what volume does your primer iject ( insert) give > > to engine? > > > > and yes the colder you get the more prime you will > > need unless you are using a pre heater or a heated > > hangar. > > > > Shorty > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >


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    Time: 07:30:12 AM PST US
    From: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
    Subject: Re: 8" wheels
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net -------------- Original message from "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>: -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > > I need an 8" wheel for my 1993 vintage Speedster. Hoping that some of you that > switched to the 6" wheel might have one laying around and be willing to sell it. > > Thank you. > > Jimmie > Jimmie, If you are still using the old style Skystar wheels, Wicks aircraft has the tire that will fit. It's called turf glide and I put them on my Fox. They are 4ply so a bit harder to get around the rim but they do go on. I like them!! Ray > > > > > <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> -------------- Original message from "Jimmie Blackwell" jablackwell@ev1.net: -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET> I need an 8" wheel for my 1993 vintage Speedster. Hoping that some of you that switched to the 6" wheel might have one laying around and be willing to sell it. Thank you. Jimmie Jimmie, If you are still using the old style Skystar wheels, Wicks aircraft has the tire that will fit. It's called turf glide and I put them on my Fox. They are 4ply so a bit harder to get around the rim but they do go on. I like them!! Ray _ -= Photo Share: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->


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    Time: 07:35:17 AM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net Nothing ordered yet. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> Steve, I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV > [Original Message] > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > Group, > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox. Place to buy and a > cooler that cools good would be nice info. I tried to find the earls cooler > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer > available. > > steve a > >


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    Time: 07:55:44 AM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: Kitfox Model IV-1200 and Classic IV and Speedster
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net Well, this is way cool. A while back I asked about raising the Vne on the model 4 and was told it couldn't be done. Now I here that if you put in the .125 windscreen you can raise the Vne. I look at raised Vne as a means to straighten the air structure. Not necessarily a means to go faster. I am building into my model 4 everything for the speedster except the vertical stab stuff, why, I don't see a reason to. The gap between the vertical and rudder is eliminated with a piece of wood(in my airplane) that runs down the trailing edge of the vertical with openings for the attaching points for the rudder. I'm shortening the wings to speedster length. I'm contemplating putting on the two weights per aileron, I feel this would cut down the chance of flutter in the ailerons. Lastly, the airplane is getting 2.7 ounce fabric with rib lacing. Should make for a better airplane. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model IV-1200 and Classic IV and Speedster --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> John Mcbean can correct me on this but I believe that the speed on the Model IV was limited to 125 MPH because the wind screen distortated at the higher airspeeds. The Model IV came with a .093 inch thickness. I now have a .125 inch wind screenand have increased my Vne to 140 MPH Other differences of the earlier Speedsters was split flaperon. Dual balance weights on flaperons, 1/2 on each end. Built up tail feathers, electric trim. Shortend wings. Radiator scoop fairing etc. And of course a .125 inch wind screen that people seem to have trouble installing. I put one on and had no problems. Clint


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    Time: 08:01:09 AM PST US
    From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
    Subject: oil cooler
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> A different idea, I purchased a motorcycle oil cooler off ebay, it works very well and was only $15.00. Dee Young Model II N345DY do not archive > >


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    Time: 10:02:39 AM PST US
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    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel injector
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Shortnaked, Primer stuck open? That's nothing. How about having a bird fly into the cowl and break the primer line off, blowing raw fuel on the engine? In flight fire. Then land in an ammo dump. Then hit mud and flip over. The plane burns up, but you walk away with just seat belt burns...? Some people will do almost anything just to get back to building. :-) Right Howard? A guy who picks a good, safe plane, builds it well, flys it well, still needs some luck and a little help from above for good mesaure. IMHO Actually, all kidding aside, I am more worried about my gascolator than the primer. If the primer sticks open, the engine will probably flood and quit. That is unlikely to happen any time after startup. But I have the standard gascolator and don't think much of its structure from a safety standpoint. If it breaks, I'll probably get hot feet as a minimum. Unlike Howard, I'll need good luck, Devine intervention, and group theropy after that... Kurt S. --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote: > Kurt, > > Ok I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up > just like turning on the tap. > I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a > pre-measured amount of fuel like most primers do. > Kinda scary if that solenoid even stuck open don't > you think ? > > Shorty __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250


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    Time: 10:42:12 AM PST US
    From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
    Subject: How much fuel
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put in the standard 13 gal wing tank?. Clint


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    From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: How much fuel
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> I have not put more than 13 but if I put more than 11-12 some spills through a vent tube onto my wing. Maxwell Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put in the standard 13 gal wing tank?. Clint --------------------------------- Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more.


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    Time: 02:35:11 PM PST US
    From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
    Subject: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> Steve, I don't have the mounting hardware but the cooler was only used about 3 times. It's like new. I'll tell you what, this list has been so good to me I'll give something back. You can have it if you pay shipping. Jeff Classic IV > [Original Message] > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Date: 12/14/2004 10:35:14 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > Nothing ordered yet. > > steve a > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> > > Steve, > I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I > went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was > too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV > > > > [Original Message] > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > > > Group, > > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox. Place to buy and a > > cooler that cools good would be nice info. I tried to find the earls > cooler > > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer > > available. > > > > steve a > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:01:16 PM PST US
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    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: How much fuel
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> I agree. Mine will hold 13.8 if perfectly leveled, but will vent with far less than that due to an angled hill between me and my runway. Wings are stained even thru the clear aerothane. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have not put more than 13 but if I put more than > 11-12 some spills through a vent tube onto my wing. > > Maxwell > > Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put > in the standard 13 gal wing tank?. Clint __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250


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    Time: 04:32:31 PM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net If that's what you want. How about an address. thanks you can email me at customtrans@qwest.net steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> Steve, I don't have the mounting hardware but the cooler was only used about 3 times. It's like new. I'll tell you what, this list has been so good to me I'll give something back. You can have it if you pay shipping. Jeff Classic IV > [Original Message] > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Date: 12/14/2004 10:35:14 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > Nothing ordered yet. > > steve a > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> > > Steve, > I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I > went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was > too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV > > > > [Original Message] > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > > > Group, > > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox. Place to buy and a > > cooler that cools good would be nice info. I tried to find the earls > cooler > > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer > > available. > > > > steve a > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:22:56 PM PST US
    From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel injector
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net> I assume that your primer is activated by a solenoid ? well if it stuck open and kept pumping fuel most likely you would flood out the engine. this is ismular to a fuel injection in a electronic fuel injection used in automotive and when you give full throttle you just flood the engine. If it works for you great. A manual primer with a regulated and consisitent volume manual would be in my opinion satisfactory and near fool proof. Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> > > Shortnaked, > > Primer stuck open? > > That's nothing. How about having a bird fly into the > cowl and break the primer line off, blowing raw fuel > on the engine? In flight fire. Then land in an ammo > dump. Then hit mud and flip over. The plane burns > up, but you walk away with just seat belt burns...? > > Some people will do almost anything just to get back > to building. :-) Right Howard? > > A guy who picks a good, safe plane, builds it well, > flys it well, still needs some luck and a little help > from above for good mesaure. IMHO > > Actually, all kidding aside, I am more worried about > my gascolator than the primer. If the primer sticks > open, the engine will probably flood and quit. That > is unlikely to happen any time after startup. But I > have the standard gascolator and don't think much of > its structure from a safety standpoint. If it breaks, > I'll probably get hot feet as a minimum. Unlike > Howard, I'll need good luck, Devine intervention, and > group theropy after that... > > Kurt S. > > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote: > > > Kurt, > > > > Ok I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up > > just like turning on the tap. > > I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a > > pre-measured amount of fuel like most primers do. > > Kinda scary if that solenoid even stuck open don't > > you think ? > > > > Shorty > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >


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    Time: 06:57:23 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> That was good of you Jeff. It's what this list is all about. Darrel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> > > Steve, > I don't have the mounting hardware but the cooler was only used about 3 > times. It's like new. I'll tell you what, this list has been so good to me > I'll give something back. You can have it if you pay shipping. Jeff Classic > IV > > > > [Original Message] > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > > Date: 12/14/2004 10:35:14 AM > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > > > Nothing ordered yet. > > > > steve a > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Puls > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> > > > > Steve, > > I came in late on this. I have the Skystar oil cooler on my workbench. I > > went to the smaller Earl cooler on my 912UL because the Skystar cooler was > > too efficient. Did you order one yet? Jeff Classic IV > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: <customtrans@qwest.net> > > > To: Kitfox Group <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > > > Date: 12/13/2004 10:51:02 AM > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul 80hp oil cooler > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net > > > > > > Group, > > > I'm in need of a new engine oil cooler for my Fox. Place to buy and a > > > cooler that cools good would be nice info. I tried to find the earls > > cooler > > > noted on the sportflight web site, but it seems that one is no longer > > > available. > > > > > > steve a > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:59:48 PM PST US
    From: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
    Subject: How much fuel
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> I put in something like 14.1 if I recall correctly. Funny story though. The first time I was doing my calibration, I filled the right tank 1 gallon at a time with the fuel valve close of course. Each time I carefully marked the position on the sight glass. Well, I put in 10 gallons, then 11, then 12, then 13, then 14, then 15, then 16, then 17....before I said...waiiiit a minute, what's going on. I finally figured out fuel was flowing back to the header tank via the fuel vent hose! SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Subject: Kitfox-List: How much fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Has anyone measured exactly how much fuel can be put in the standard 13 gal wing tank?. Clint


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    Time: 09:02:38 PM PST US
    From: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
    Subject: Fuel injector
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com> Shorty, The primer is not just like an automotive system. If it were to stay open, simply lean out the fuel mixture control to compensate for the additional fuel. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net> I assume that your primer is activated by a solenoid ? well if it stuck open and kept pumping fuel most likely you would flood out the engine. this is ismular to a fuel injection in a electronic fuel injection used in automotive and when you give full throttle you just flood the engine. If it works for you great. A manual primer with a regulated and consisitent volume manual would be in my opinion satisfactory and near fool proof. Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel injector > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> > > Shortnaked, > > Primer stuck open? > > That's nothing. How about having a bird fly into the > cowl and break the primer line off, blowing raw fuel > on the engine? In flight fire. Then land in an ammo > dump. Then hit mud and flip over. The plane burns > up, but you walk away with just seat belt burns...? > > Some people will do almost anything just to get back > to building. :-) Right Howard? > > A guy who picks a good, safe plane, builds it well, > flys it well, still needs some luck and a little help > from above for good mesaure. IMHO > > Actually, all kidding aside, I am more worried about > my gascolator than the primer. If the primer sticks > open, the engine will probably flood and quit. That > is unlikely to happen any time after startup. But I > have the standard gascolator and don't think much of > its structure from a safety standpoint. If it breaks, > I'll probably get hot feet as a minimum. Unlike > Howard, I'll need good luck, Devine intervention, and > group theropy after that... > > Kurt S. > > --- shortnaked <shortnaked@golden.net> wrote: > > > Kurt, > > > > Ok I see you just open your pressurizd fuel line up > > just like turning on the tap. > > I was thinking that you had a solenoid that shot a pre-measured > > amount of fuel like most primers do. Kinda scary if that solenoid > > even stuck open don't you think ? > > > > Shorty > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > advertising on the Matronics Forums.


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    Time: 10:12:17 PM PST US
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    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Fuel injector
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Great point Lance, The amount of fuel being sprayed into the intake manifold in this setup is small compared to a direct primer, or direct fuel injection. If it opened in flight, I think you would see the engine go rich and would naturally lean it to compensate, even before knowing why you needed to. Only at low power settings would you see the volume of extra fuel go very rich, IMHO. It would require a new mixture setting with every throttle change though, since the primer volume is steady. Never heard of any such failures with this system. I think ACS carries the solenoid, so others may be using it too. In any case, it seems to work. Kurt S. --- NSI AERO <info@nsiaero.com> wrote: > Shorty, > The primer is not just like an automotive system. > If it were to stay open, simply lean out the fuel > mixture control to compensate for the additional > fuel. > > Lance __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250




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