Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:19 AM - Fuel systems (Rex & Jan Shaw)
2. 04:19 AM - Re: Changing Props (Jeff)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Changing Props (Lowell Fitt)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: Changing Props (shortnaked)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Reason for Changing Props (Jeff)
6. 05:51 AM - Re: Changing Props (Jimmie Blackwell)
7. 06:15 AM - Re: Reason for Changing Props (Floran Higgins)
8. 06:21 AM - Re: Changing Props (flier)
9. 06:46 AM - SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN. (Harris, Robert)
10. 06:59 AM - Re: Changing Props (Aerobatics@aol.com)
11. 07:14 AM - Re: Changing Props (Ron)
12. 07:35 AM - Re: SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN. (Gary Algate)
13. 07:45 AM - Re: Changing Props (Harris, Robert)
14. 07:45 AM - Buying from Skystar? (Bob & Margaret Olson)
15. 08:04 AM - Avoid 3 blade with 3:1 gear box (Harris, Robert)
16. 08:09 AM - Re: Changing Props (customtrans@qwest.net)
17. 08:09 AM - Re: Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar (Joel Mapes)
18. 08:20 AM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (Don Pearsall)
19. 08:33 AM - Re: Changing Props (jdmcbean)
20. 08:51 AM - Re: Changing Props (jdmcbean)
21. 08:53 AM - Re: Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar (Rick)
22. 09:11 AM - Re: Changing Props (flier)
23. 09:15 AM - Re: Changing Props (customtrans@qwest.net)
24. 09:23 AM - Re: Changing Props (jdmcbean)
25. 09:26 AM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (Bob & Margaret Olson)
26. 09:42 AM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (kitfoxpilot)
27. 09:54 AM - Re: Changing Props (shortnaked)
28. 10:21 AM - Re: SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN. (shortnaked)
29. 10:31 AM - Re: Reason for Changing Props (shortnaked)
30. 12:09 PM - Re: Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar (Michel Verheughe)
31. 12:15 PM - Bing carb help (New one)
32. 12:25 PM - Re: Changing Props (Jimmie Blackwell)
33. 12:51 PM - Re: Bing carb help (Gunn, Michael (Space Technology))
34. 01:01 PM - Re: Changing Props (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
35. 01:09 PM - Re: Bing carb help (shortnaked)
36. 01:18 PM - Re: Changing Props (shortnaked)
37. 02:28 PM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (Jeffrey Puls)
38. 03:42 PM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (Roger McConnell)
39. 04:49 PM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (shortnaked)
40. 05:06 PM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (Don Pearsall)
41. 06:51 PM - List moderation (Fox5flyer)
42. 06:56 PM - Re: Buying from Skystar? (Fox5flyer)
43. 07:05 PM - Re: List moderation (shortnaked)
44. 07:07 PM - OT a little bit (shortnaked)
45. 07:32 PM - elevator hinge question (Lynn Matteson)
46. 07:53 PM - Re: Changing Props (Jimmie Blackwell)
47. 08:37 PM - Re: elevator hinge question (DeWayne Clifford)
48. 10:42 PM - Buying from Skystar? (FlyCyOZ@aol.com)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
We were talking a lot a few weeks ago about fuel systems. Well have a look
at this. www.challengers101.com/FuelSys.html
There is a lot of very good reading here.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Jimmie
I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being re-engined
with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so submitted my
request with all the requested information on the correct form to the PFA
(Popular Flying Association) England.
Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they will
now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have not
heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really busy.
There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on the
register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight and
balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to consider!
Regards
Jeff
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO or
a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I also believe that the prop change is considered "major" and will need a
notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in an assigned designated
area. That said, I know of several who have made the switch without the
notification. As I think of it, I don't think there is anything in my
paperwork that specifies my prop type.
My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy changed out his prop, then
went back to the original configuration with no FAA involvement and the
insurance company refused to pay on a claim because of the twice violation
of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory serves me it is
factual.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Prop change is considered a major and would likely require test flight
time.
> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I believe you'll have to have
> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change. Rest of you correct me if
> I'm wrong on this...
>
> You're probably OK doing it without the formality unless you have an
> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks over the logs and finds
> the equipment has been changed without the proper endorsements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
Some
> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
prefer
> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO or a
> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
Always open to hear option s.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
>
> Jimmie
>
> I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being re-engined
> with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so submitted my
> request with all the requested information on the correct form to the PFA
> (Popular Flying Association) England.
>
> Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they will
> now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have not
> heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really busy.
>
> There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on the
> register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight and
> balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to consider!
>
> Regards
>
> Jeff
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
> Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
> prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO
or
> a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
> >
> >
> > Jimmie
> > Kitfox Model IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reason for Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
A while back I found that I had a problem when I came to take off. Applying
full power my engine revs immediately came up to 6ooo - 6200rpm then as the
take off run began they suddenly dropped by 500- 700 rpm back to about 5500.
I aborted the take off and spent the next month or so in utter frustration
trying to find the cause of the problem!
In the course of my investigation I checked everything on the engine I could
think of, with many useful and possible suggestions coming from this group.
I was just about to remove the crank for inspection (about the only think
left to do) when I discussed the problem with the UK importer of Rotax
engines.... and he suggested I look at the prop as the cause of the problem.
To cut a long story short, I measured the pitch on the prop blades and saw
one blade less than maybe half a degree coarser than the others. Nothing
significant to my mind at the time.... but re-pitching this blade
fractionally finer solved the problem! I could hardly believe it at the
time, it almost seemed like magic, considering all the work I had been doing
on the engine to"put it right".
I had flown my aircraft for 3 years (winter and summer) with no previous
problem from my GSC prop, (just occasionally revarnishing and rebalancing
it), but in the week between my last flight and the problem occurring it
appears the pitch on just one wooden blade had changed slightly with the
effect of "over gearing" the engine. Shortly after application of full power
when "hot drop" occurs the blade were just too coarsely pitched for the
engine to cope. As I don't want to experience this problem again I decided a
plastic prop would avoid the possibility of any slight warping of a wooden
blade in future.
I guess my GSC prop must have initially been set pretty close to the
"critical pitch limit" for this to have happened, and perhaps if I used a
long runway the revs might have recovered as the prop unloaded when the
aircraft accelerated and I wouldn't have thought it was an issue.
Since this happened I have heard of several other cases where the same thing
has happened to other aircraft, so it is perhaps not that unusual. Hope that
answers your question Shorty.
Regards
Jeff
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
>
> I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
>
>
> Always open to hear option s.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
re-engined
> > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so submitted
my
> > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
PFA
> > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> >
> > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
will
> > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have not
> > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really busy.
> >
> > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on the
> > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight and
> > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to consider!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
> > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter.
I
> > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
FSDO
> or
> > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > certificate for the airplane.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > Kitfox Model IV
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Shorty
I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be refinished
so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the cost
of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the prop
is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the advantage
of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC until I
know that is functions as well as the GSC.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
>
> I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
>
>
> Always open to hear option s.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
re-engined
> > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so submitted
my
> > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
PFA
> > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> >
> > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
will
> > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have not
> > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really busy.
> >
> > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on the
> > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight and
> > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to consider!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
> > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter.
I
> > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
FSDO
> or
> > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > certificate for the airplane.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > Kitfox Model IV
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reason for Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
If your GSC prop has ever been overtorqued the root of the prop will be
squeezed out of round and will never stay in track
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Reason for Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
>
> A while back I found that I had a problem when I came to take off.
Applying
> full power my engine revs immediately came up to 6ooo - 6200rpm then as
the
> take off run began they suddenly dropped by 500- 700 rpm back to about
5500.
> I aborted the take off and spent the next month or so in utter frustration
> trying to find the cause of the problem!
>
> In the course of my investigation I checked everything on the engine I
could
> think of, with many useful and possible suggestions coming from this
group.
> I was just about to remove the crank for inspection (about the only think
> left to do) when I discussed the problem with the UK importer of Rotax
> engines.... and he suggested I look at the prop as the cause of the
problem.
>
> To cut a long story short, I measured the pitch on the prop blades and saw
> one blade less than maybe half a degree coarser than the others. Nothing
> significant to my mind at the time.... but re-pitching this blade
> fractionally finer solved the problem! I could hardly believe it at the
> time, it almost seemed like magic, considering all the work I had been
doing
> on the engine to"put it right".
>
> I had flown my aircraft for 3 years (winter and summer) with no previous
> problem from my GSC prop, (just occasionally revarnishing and rebalancing
> it), but in the week between my last flight and the problem occurring it
> appears the pitch on just one wooden blade had changed slightly with the
> effect of "over gearing" the engine. Shortly after application of full
power
> when "hot drop" occurs the blade were just too coarsely pitched for the
> engine to cope. As I don't want to experience this problem again I decided
a
> plastic prop would avoid the possibility of any slight warping of a wooden
> blade in future.
>
> I guess my GSC prop must have initially been set pretty close to the
> "critical pitch limit" for this to have happened, and perhaps if I used a
> long runway the revs might have recovered as the prop unloaded when the
> aircraft accelerated and I wouldn't have thought it was an issue.
>
> Since this happened I have heard of several other cases where the same
thing
> has happened to other aircraft, so it is perhaps not that unusual. Hope
that
> answers your question Shorty.
>
> Regards
>
> Jeff
>
> Do not archive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> >
> > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> >
> > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> >
> >
> > Always open to hear option s.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> re-engined
> > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
submitted
> my
> > > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
> PFA
> > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > >
> > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
> will
> > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
not
> > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
busy.
> > >
> > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
the
> > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
and
> > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
consider!
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Do not archive.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
prop.
> > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
matter.
> I
> > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> FSDO
> > or
> > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
The friendly FAA inspectors that did my original
airworthiness required that I have an engine/prop
logbook as well as the airframe logbook and that the
logs reflect all the data (s/n, type, mfg, etc, etc)
for both the engine and prop.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>I also believe that the prop change is
considered "major" and will need a
>notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in
an assigned designated
>area. That said, I know of several who have made
the switch without the
>notification. As I think of it, I don't think there
is anything in my
>paperwork that specifies my prop type.
>
>My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy
changed out his prop, then
>went back to the original configuration with no FAA
involvement and the
>insurance company refused to pay on a claim because
of the twice violation
>of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory
serves me it is
>factual.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier"
<flier@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Prop change is considered a major and would likely
require test flight
>time.
>> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I
believe you'll have to have
>> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change.
Rest of you correct me if
>> I'm wrong on this...
>>
>> You're probably OK doing it without the formality
unless you have an
>> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks
over the logs and finds
>> the equipment has been changed without the proper
endorsements.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Jimmie
>> Blackwell
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
Blackwell"
><jablackwell@ev1.net>
>>
>> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO
ground adjustable prop.
>Some
>> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA
into the matter. I
>prefer
>> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know
where to go, FSDO or a
>> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not
hold a repairman's
>> certificate for the airplane.
>>
>>
>> Jimmie
>> Kitfox Model IV
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Shorty,
I used to have a three bladed wood GSC but now have the 72" three blade
ultralight IVO inflight adjustable on my Rotax 582 and love it. You will
love it too I guarantee it. I cruise 85MPH at 65-75% power (5,500 RPM) in my
KFII with the Rotax 582. With the IVO I can adjust my EGT's easily while in
flight. The IVO Blades track perfect and are easy to install. The blades do
not need to be re-balanced, varnished and do not crack. If you want to save
money you can buy the ground adjustable and buy the inflight later. Also if
you want to escape from a communist country you can do that too with the
IVO. Call John McBean and he can help set you up as he is a current IVO
dealer. John used to work at Skystar and now has his own business supporting
Kitfox and other planes.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Shorty
I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be refinished
so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the cost
of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the prop
is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the advantage
of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC until I
know that is functions as well as the GSC.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
>
> I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
>
>
> Always open to hear option s.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
re-engined
> > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so submitted
my
> > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
PFA
> > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> >
> > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
will
> > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have not
> > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really busy.
> >
> > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on the
> > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight and
> > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to consider!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
> > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter.
I
> > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
FSDO
> or
> > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > certificate for the airplane.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > Kitfox Model IV
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I too went too a IVO and love it.....
Dave
KF2 582
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
I just checked out the Kievprop site and found it very interesting. I'm
hanging up my 13 yr old GSC for good and need to buy a good replacement.
Has anybody had or heard of expeirences with the Kievprop?
Thanks Ron N55KF
>
> Check out http://www.kievpropamerica.com/ before you buy a prop. AKA
> "Hot Prop" ........and I don't know about the FSDO involvement. My
> first move is to contact my AP to get going.
>
> Tim Kaser
> Kitfox IV-1200
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| Subject: | SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I use the 70" x 2 bladed Medium IVO in flight adjustable on my 582 "C" Box.
I in initially used the 72" x 3 blade Ultralight but had continual problems
with the electric motor mechanism due to harmonics created by 3:1 Gear Box
ratio and 3 bladed prop. IVO are now aware of this problem and don't
recommend the C Box and 3 blade prop combination.
My speed is a little higher with the 2 bladed "Medium" prop as it is more
rigid and efficient that the 3 blade "Ultralight" prop.
Like Robert, I love the flexibility of the system as it allows you to reduce
noise, increase fuel efficiency, control EGT's and increase performance.
I am cruising mid 90's on Skis at 5800 in my Lite2 (Model 4) I also have rad
scoop and strut fairings which made a significant difference to speed.
Regards
GaryA
Lite2/582
Hi Shorty,
I used to have a three bladed wood GSC but now have the 72" three blade
ultralight IVO inflight adjustable on my Rotax 582 and love it. You will
love it too I guarantee it. I cruise 85MPH at 65-75% power (5,500 RPM) in my
KFII with the Rotax 582. With the IVO I can adjust my EGT's easily while in
flight. The IVO Blades track perfect and are easy to install. The blades do
not need to be re-balanced, varnished and do not crack. If you want to save
money you can buy the ground adjustable and buy the inflight later. Also if
you want to escape from a communist country you can do that too with the
IVO. Call John McBean and he can help set you up as he is a current IVO
dealer. John used to work at Skystar and now has his own business supporting
Kitfox and other planes.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Shorty
I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be refinished
so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the cost
of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the prop
is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the advantage
of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC until I
know that is functions as well as the GSC.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
>
> I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
>
>
> Always open to hear option s.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
re-engined
> > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so submitted
my
> > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
PFA
> > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> >
> > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
will
> > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have not
> > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really busy.
> >
> > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on the
> > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight and
> > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to consider!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
> > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter.
I
> > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
FSDO
> or
> > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > certificate for the airplane.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > Kitfox Model IV
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Ilooked at the Kievprop web site and they look very nice and quiet. Can the
Kievprop be adjusted in-flight?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
I just checked out the Kievprop site and found it very interesting. I'm
hanging up my 13 yr old GSC for good and need to buy a good replacement.
Has anybody had or heard of expeirences with the Kievprop?
Thanks Ron N55KF
>
> Check out http://www.kievpropamerica.com/ before you buy a prop. AKA
> "Hot Prop" ........and I don't know about the FSDO involvement. My
> first move is to contact my AP to get going.
>
> Tim Kaser
> Kitfox IV-1200
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| Subject: | Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson <bobpa12@direcway.com>
What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from Skystar? I
ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on 8-25-04 and as of today
have not received a delivery date. All I have is excuses from Skystar! I
am starting to get very nervous about this order. What would you guys do?
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| Subject: | Avoid 3 blade with 3:1 gear box |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
That's true the a 3:1 gearbox with a 3 bladed prop should be avoided as Gary
said below.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Algate
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I use the 70" x 2 bladed Medium IVO in flight adjustable on my 582 "C" Box.
I in initially used the 72" x 3 blade Ultralight but had continual problems
with the electric motor mechanism due to harmonics created by 3:1 Gear Box
ratio and 3 bladed prop. IVO are now aware of this problem and don't
recommend the C Box and 3 blade prop combination.
My speed is a little higher with the 2 bladed "Medium" prop as it is more
rigid and efficient that the 3 blade "Ultralight" prop.
Like Robert, I love the flexibility of the system as it allows you to reduce
noise, increase fuel efficiency, control EGT's and increase performance.
I am cruising mid 90's on Skis at 5800 in my Lite2 (Model 4) I also have rad
scoop and strut fairings which made a significant difference to speed.
Regards
GaryA
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
This is a good subject. I have the same delema. For one, I am switching
props to the IVO inflight adjustable. I looked over the engine logs and
aircraft logs and there is no mention anywhere of the type of prop or that
it even has one. I'm sure I can just put this on and go fly. But...??? is
the big question. If things are really looked into I'm sure the prop can be
proven to be bought recently as well as the landing gear that I've put on
it. I am having an A&P sign off the airplane before flown, but to notify
the faa, I have no problem with that either. Just need the procedures.
Next is the rating of the pilot with an inflight adjustable. I know the
regs say you need a complex with an inflight adjustable prop, adjustable
flaps and retractable landing gear. If you have two out of the three do you
need the complex rating? I've been told both ways, you don't need and you
do need.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I also believe that the prop change is considered "major" and will need a
notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in an assigned designated
area. That said, I know of several who have made the switch without the
notification. As I think of it, I don't think there is anything in my
paperwork that specifies my prop type.
My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy changed out his prop, then
went back to the original configuration with no FAA involvement and the
insurance company refused to pay on a claim because of the twice violation
of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory serves me it is
factual.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Prop change is considered a major and would likely require test flight
time.
> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I believe you'll have to have
> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change. Rest of you correct me if
> I'm wrong on this...
>
> You're probably OK doing it without the formality unless you have an
> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks over the logs and finds
> the equipment has been changed without the proper endorsements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
Some
> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
prefer
> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO or a
> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hello Michel,
The Series 7 FWF uses a boot cowl that covers the space between the
windshield and firewall. The boot cowl has a 3/4" lip that the upper and
lower cowls attach to. If you don't have a 7 near you, I can send pictures.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Bob,
Paying in full for the kit before you even get a delivery date is quite
unusual. Did they ask you to do that? Normally you pay a large down to get
the order started and then pay in full just before delivery. At least that
is how Skystar USED to do business. You should at least have gotten some
idea of the delivery date, even if it is a tentative one.
But now since they have your money, and you have nothing but a contract, you
have no leverage. That is never a good situation. I would call the president
Frank Miller directly and ask for a solid date. If he can't give you one,
then ask for your money back. That should get some action. The delivery date
should have been put in the contract.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob & Margaret
Olson
Subject: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
<bobpa12@direcway.com>
What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from Skystar?
I ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on 8-25-04 and as
of today have not received a delivery date. All I have is excuses from
Skystar! I am starting to get very nervous about this order. What would you
guys do?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Robert and Ron,
I know of a couple that have and are using the Kievprop AKA
"HotProp". Both are satisfied with the performance and are very pleased
with the smooth and quite it offers. I have not had the opportunity to fly
behind it as of yet but do intend to. Unfortunately the one I can fly
behind.. the owner ripped the gear out from under.... He'll have it back up
soon. Kievprop does not currently offer a in-flight adjustable..
I like the Warp and I'm sure I'll like the Kievprop.. but I still believe
that IVO has the best bang for the buck. But that is just my opinion.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Steve,
You do not need a complex rating... The regs state: Variable pitch prop,
flaps and retractable gear. It has to be all three. Put amphibious floats
on it and you would need the rating to carry passengers. You cannot get a
complex rating without all three. High performance is over 200 HP.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
customtrans@qwest.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
This is a good subject. I have the same delema. For one, I am switching
props to the IVO inflight adjustable. I looked over the engine logs and
aircraft logs and there is no mention anywhere of the type of prop or that
it even has one. I'm sure I can just put this on and go fly. But...??? is
the big question. If things are really looked into I'm sure the prop can be
proven to be bought recently as well as the landing gear that I've put on
it. I am having an A&P sign off the airplane before flown, but to notify
the faa, I have no problem with that either. Just need the procedures.
Next is the rating of the pilot with an inflight adjustable. I know the
regs say you need a complex with an inflight adjustable prop, adjustable
flaps and retractable landing gear. If you have two out of the three do you
need the complex rating? I've been told both ways, you don't need and you
do need.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I also believe that the prop change is considered "major" and will need a
notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in an assigned designated
area. That said, I know of several who have made the switch without the
notification. As I think of it, I don't think there is anything in my
paperwork that specifies my prop type.
My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy changed out his prop, then
went back to the original configuration with no FAA involvement and the
insurance company refused to pay on a claim because of the twice violation
of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory serves me it is
factual.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Prop change is considered a major and would likely require test flight
time.
> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I believe you'll have to have
> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change. Rest of you correct me if
> I'm wrong on this...
>
> You're probably OK doing it without the formality unless you have an
> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks over the logs and finds
> the equipment has been changed without the proper endorsements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
Some
> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
prefer
> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO or a
> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Would you mind posting that to the sportflight upload.
Thanks
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joel Mapes
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hello Michel,
The Series 7 FWF uses a boot cowl that covers the space between the
windshield and firewall. .........
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I suspect the differences we're seeing are related to
the diligence of the DARs or FSDO personnel that did
the original airworthiness inspections. You might
check the records for the aircraft maintained by the
FAA. I know the FAA has a record of the prop and
engine combination used on my IV.
--- Original Message ---
From: customtrans@qwest.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
customtrans@qwest.net
>
>This is a good subject. I have the same delema.
For one, I am switching
>props to the IVO inflight adjustable. I looked over
the engine logs and
>aircraft logs and there is no mention anywhere of
the type of prop or that
>it even has one. I'm sure I can just put this on
and go fly. But...??? is
>the big question. If things are really looked into
I'm sure the prop can be
>proven to be bought recently as well as the landing
gear that I've put on
>it. I am having an A&P sign off the airplane before
flown, but to notify
>the faa, I have no problem with that either. Just
need the procedures.
>
>Next is the rating of the pilot with an inflight
adjustable. I know the
>regs say you need a complex with an inflight
adjustable prop, adjustable
>flaps and retractable landing gear. If you have two
out of the three do you
>need the complex rating? I've been told both ways,
you don't need and you
>do need.
>
>steve a
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>I also believe that the prop change is
considered "major" and will need a
>notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in
an assigned designated
>area. That said, I know of several who have made
the switch without the
>notification. As I think of it, I don't think there
is anything in my
>paperwork that specifies my prop type.
>
>My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy
changed out his prop, then
>went back to the original configuration with no FAA
involvement and the
>insurance company refused to pay on a claim because
of the twice violation
>of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory
serves me it is
>factual.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier"
<flier@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Prop change is considered a major and would likely
require test flight
>time.
>> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I
believe you'll have to have
>> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change.
Rest of you correct me if
>> I'm wrong on this...
>>
>> You're probably OK doing it without the formality
unless you have an
>> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks
over the logs and finds
>> the equipment has been changed without the proper
endorsements.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Jimmie
>> Blackwell
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie
Blackwell"
><jablackwell@ev1.net>
>>
>> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO
ground adjustable prop.
>Some
>> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA
into the matter. I
>prefer
>> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know
where to go, FSDO or a
>> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not
hold a repairman's
>> certificate for the airplane.
>>
>>
>> Jimmie
>> Kitfox Model IV
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Thanks John for clarifying. I was in belief that I didn't need it. But
it's safe to make sure. Now the dilemma on the regs for the repairs.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Steve,
You do not need a complex rating... The regs state: Variable pitch
prop,
flaps and retractable gear. It has to be all three. Put amphibious floats
on it and you would need the rating to carry passengers. You cannot get a
complex rating without all three. High performance is over 200 HP.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
customtrans@qwest.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
This is a good subject. I have the same delema. For one, I am switching
props to the IVO inflight adjustable. I looked over the engine logs and
aircraft logs and there is no mention anywhere of the type of prop or that
it even has one. I'm sure I can just put this on and go fly. But...??? is
the big question. If things are really looked into I'm sure the prop can be
proven to be bought recently as well as the landing gear that I've put on
it. I am having an A&P sign off the airplane before flown, but to notify
the faa, I have no problem with that either. Just need the procedures.
Next is the rating of the pilot with an inflight adjustable. I know the
regs say you need a complex with an inflight adjustable prop, adjustable
flaps and retractable landing gear. If you have two out of the three do you
need the complex rating? I've been told both ways, you don't need and you
do need.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I also believe that the prop change is considered "major" and will need a
notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in an assigned designated
area. That said, I know of several who have made the switch without the
notification. As I think of it, I don't think there is anything in my
paperwork that specifies my prop type.
My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy changed out his prop, then
went back to the original configuration with no FAA involvement and the
insurance company refused to pay on a claim because of the twice violation
of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory serves me it is
factual.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Prop change is considered a major and would likely require test flight
time.
> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I believe you'll have to have
> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change. Rest of you correct me if
> I'm wrong on this...
>
> You're probably OK doing it without the formality unless you have an
> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks over the logs and finds
> the equipment has been changed without the proper endorsements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
Some
> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
prefer
> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO or a
> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Update: OOOPS it actually says controllable pitch prop... FAR Part 61.31
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Steve,
You do not need a complex rating... The regs state: Variable pitch
prop,
flaps and retractable gear. It has to be all three. Put amphibious floats
on it and you would need the rating to carry passengers. You cannot get a
complex rating without all three. High performance is over 200 HP.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
customtrans@qwest.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
This is a good subject. I have the same delema. For one, I am switching
props to the IVO inflight adjustable. I looked over the engine logs and
aircraft logs and there is no mention anywhere of the type of prop or that
it even has one. I'm sure I can just put this on and go fly. But...??? is
the big question. If things are really looked into I'm sure the prop can be
proven to be bought recently as well as the landing gear that I've put on
it. I am having an A&P sign off the airplane before flown, but to notify
the faa, I have no problem with that either. Just need the procedures.
Next is the rating of the pilot with an inflight adjustable. I know the
regs say you need a complex with an inflight adjustable prop, adjustable
flaps and retractable landing gear. If you have two out of the three do you
need the complex rating? I've been told both ways, you don't need and you
do need.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I also believe that the prop change is considered "major" and will need a
notification to the FAA with a 5 hour test phase in an assigned designated
area. That said, I know of several who have made the switch without the
notification. As I think of it, I don't think there is anything in my
paperwork that specifies my prop type.
My memory tells me that in the old days - a guy changed out his prop, then
went back to the original configuration with no FAA involvement and the
insurance company refused to pay on a claim because of the twice violation
of the FARs. We argued this a bit, but if my memory serves me it is
factual.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Prop change is considered a major and would likely require test flight
time.
> DAR would specify. Without repairmans cert I believe you'll have to have
> the logs endorsed by an A&P/IA for the change. Rest of you correct me if
> I'm wrong on this...
>
> You're probably OK doing it without the formality unless you have an
> accident or plan to sell it and anyone ever looks over the logs and finds
> the equipment has been changed without the proper endorsements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable prop.
Some
> are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the matter. I
prefer
> to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go, FSDO or a
> local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson <bobpa12@direcway.com>
Thanks for your reply Don. I was asked for full payment to secure my place
in line for a "end of Oct to first part of Nov delivery". (nothing in
writing) Sometimes I am a little to trusting of my fellow man! The last time
I talked to Frank, he said, maybe by the end of the year, but would not
commit to that. I hate to sound like a jerk and demand my money back, but
may have to resort to that. If I ran my business the way they do, I probably
would be out of business by now. I guess I will wait a week or so longer and
then go to "plan B".
Bob Olson (series 7,someday, maybe)
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| Subject: | Re: Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxpilot" <kitfoxpilot@comcast.net>
I purchased my Series 7 (Sport) quick build kit from Skystar in December of
2002. At that time Skystar required full payment 3 weeks prior to the
production month. My kit arrived in late Jan 2003. Well about 75-80% of the
kit. I'm almost to my 2 year anniversary of receiving my kit and I'm still
waiting for parts. Skystar is very good at giving excuses. I'm only down to
my engine mount and exhaust system left to deliver. I do like the series 7
design and the quality of the kit is good. But the management is very poor.
If I had gone with my other choice and bought a Vans 9A I would be flying
already. Vans ships there kits complete. And if they do have back orders
they take care of them in weeks not years.
Scott Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" <bobpa12@direcway.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
<bobpa12@direcway.com>
>
> What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from
Skystar? I ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on
8-25-04 and as of today have not received a delivery date. All I have is
excuses from Skystar! I am starting to get very nervous about this order.
What would you guys do?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Jimmie , I hear yah.
GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment too.
What engine are you running> ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
etc
and empty weight ?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
>
> Shorty
>
> I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be refinished
> so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the cost
> of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the
prop
> is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the advantage
> of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC until
I
> know that is functions as well as the GSC.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> >
> > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> >
> > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> >
> >
> > Always open to hear option s.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> re-engined
> > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
submitted
> my
> > > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
> PFA
> > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > >
> > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
> will
> > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
not
> > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
busy.
> > >
> > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
the
> > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
and
> > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
consider!
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Do not archive.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
prop.
> > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
matter.
> I
> > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> FSDO
> > or
> > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Gary,
What is your performance with the 2 blade ?
STatic RPM ?
Climb solo/dual
and empty weight.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SHORTY- TRY THE IVO FROM JOHN MCBEAN.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> I use the 70" x 2 bladed Medium IVO in flight adjustable on my 582 "C"
Box.
> I in initially used the 72" x 3 blade Ultralight but had continual
problems
> with the electric motor mechanism due to harmonics created by 3:1 Gear Box
> ratio and 3 bladed prop. IVO are now aware of this problem and don't
> recommend the C Box and 3 blade prop combination.
>
> My speed is a little higher with the 2 bladed "Medium" prop as it is more
> rigid and efficient that the 3 blade "Ultralight" prop.
>
> Like Robert, I love the flexibility of the system as it allows you to
reduce
> noise, increase fuel efficiency, control EGT's and increase performance.
>
> I am cruising mid 90's on Skis at 5800 in my Lite2 (Model 4) I also have
rad
> scoop and strut fairings which made a significant difference to speed.
>
> Regards
>
> GaryA
> Lite2/582
>
> Hi Shorty,
>
> I used to have a three bladed wood GSC but now have the 72" three blade
> ultralight IVO inflight adjustable on my Rotax 582 and love it. You will
> love it too I guarantee it. I cruise 85MPH at 65-75% power (5,500 RPM) in
my
> KFII with the Rotax 582. With the IVO I can adjust my EGT's easily while
in
> flight. The IVO Blades track perfect and are easy to install. The blades
do
> not need to be re-balanced, varnished and do not crack. If you want to
save
> money you can buy the ground adjustable and buy the inflight later. Also
if
> you want to escape from a communist country you can do that too with the
> IVO. Call John McBean and he can help set you up as he is a current IVO
> dealer. John used to work at Skystar and now has his own business
supporting
> Kitfox and other planes.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
>
> Shorty
>
> I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be refinished
> so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the cost
> of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the
prop
> is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the advantage
> of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC until
I
> know that is functions as well as the GSC.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> >
> > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> >
> > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> >
> >
> > Always open to hear option s.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> re-engined
> > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
submitted
> my
> > > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
> PFA
> > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > >
> > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
> will
> > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
not
> > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
busy.
> > >
> > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
the
> > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
and
> > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
consider!
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Do not archive.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
prop.
> > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
matter.
> I
> > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> FSDO
> > or
> > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reason for Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Jeff,
was your prop evertightened> ? The alum blocks should not touch.
What pitch were you running ?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Reason for Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
>
> A while back I found that I had a problem when I came to take off.
Applying
> full power my engine revs immediately came up to 6ooo - 6200rpm then as
the
> take off run began they suddenly dropped by 500- 700 rpm back to about
5500.
> I aborted the take off and spent the next month or so in utter frustration
> trying to find the cause of the problem!
>
> In the course of my investigation I checked everything on the engine I
could
> think of, with many useful and possible suggestions coming from this
group.
> I was just about to remove the crank for inspection (about the only think
> left to do) when I discussed the problem with the UK importer of Rotax
> engines.... and he suggested I look at the prop as the cause of the
problem.
>
> To cut a long story short, I measured the pitch on the prop blades and saw
> one blade less than maybe half a degree coarser than the others. Nothing
> significant to my mind at the time.... but re-pitching this blade
> fractionally finer solved the problem! I could hardly believe it at the
> time, it almost seemed like magic, considering all the work I had been
doing
> on the engine to"put it right".
>
> I had flown my aircraft for 3 years (winter and summer) with no previous
> problem from my GSC prop, (just occasionally revarnishing and rebalancing
> it), but in the week between my last flight and the problem occurring it
> appears the pitch on just one wooden blade had changed slightly with the
> effect of "over gearing" the engine. Shortly after application of full
power
> when "hot drop" occurs the blade were just too coarsely pitched for the
> engine to cope. As I don't want to experience this problem again I decided
a
> plastic prop would avoid the possibility of any slight warping of a wooden
> blade in future.
>
> I guess my GSC prop must have initially been set pretty close to the
> "critical pitch limit" for this to have happened, and perhaps if I used a
> long runway the revs might have recovered as the prop unloaded when the
> aircraft accelerated and I wouldn't have thought it was an issue.
>
> Since this happened I have heard of several other cases where the same
thing
> has happened to other aircraft, so it is perhaps not that unusual. Hope
that
> answers your question Shorty.
>
> Regards
>
> Jeff
>
> Do not archive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> >
> > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> >
> > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> >
> >
> > Always open to hear option s.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > >
> > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand. (The
> > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> re-engined
> > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
submitted
> my
> > > request with all the requested information on the correct form to the
> PFA
> > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > >
> > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying they
> will
> > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
not
> > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
busy.
> > >
> > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
the
> > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
and
> > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
consider!
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Do not archive.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
prop.
> > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
matter.
> I
> > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> FSDO
> > or
> > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a repairman's
> > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chronicle from a Norwegian cellar |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Joel Mapes wrote:
> The Series 7 FWF uses a boot cowl that covers the space between the
> windshield and firewall. The boot cowl has a 3/4" lip that the upper and
> lower cowls attach to. If you don't have a 7 near you, I can send pictures.
In fact, I don't know of any model 7 in Norway, Joel. Yes, please, pictures
would be nice, e.g. posted on Sportflight, as suggested.
What I wonder is, do I need a rubber seal between the two parts? I have seen a
Rans with a strange milky fluid on the cowling. It was glassfiber powder mixed
with rainwater. The powder came from two parts rubbing with the engine vibrations.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
We have a Model IV 1200 with a Roxtax 912 UL. We starting having carb
troubles and could not find anyone in the area with knowledge of the Bing
64. Finally called the local BMW motorcycle dealer and found a mechanic that
had worked on the carbs for years. He fixed it, practically with his eyes
closed!! If you have carb troubles check with your local motorcycle
dealer...
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Shorty
My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800 rpm I
cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm to
4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining at
all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
Thanks
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> Jimmie , I hear yah.
>
> GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
too.
>
> What engine are you running> ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
>
> etc
> and empty weight ?
>
>
> Shorty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> > I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
refinished
> > so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the
cost
> > of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the
> prop
> > is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
advantage
> > of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC
until
> I
> > know that is functions as well as the GSC.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
<shortnaked@golden.net>
> > >
> > > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> > >
> > > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> > >
> > >
> > > Always open to hear option s.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shorty
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > >
> > > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand.
(The
> > > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> > re-engined
> > > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
> submitted
> > my
> > > > request with all the requested information on the correct form to
the
> > PFA
> > > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > > >
> > > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying
they
> > will
> > > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
> not
> > > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
> busy.
> > > >
> > > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
> the
> > > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
> and
> > > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
> consider!
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > Do not archive.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
> prop.
> > > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
> matter.
> > I
> > > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> > FSDO
> > > or
> > > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
repairman's
> > > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gunn, Michael (Space Technology)" <michael.gunn@ngc.com>
What was the problem with the Bing? I'm having fits adjusting of mine, both mechanically
and pneumatically.
Mike N5291R
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of New one
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing carb help
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
We have a Model IV 1200 with a Roxtax 912 UL. We starting having carb
troubles and could not find anyone in the area with knowledge of the Bing
64. Finally called the local BMW motorcycle dealer and found a mechanic that
had worked on the carbs for years. He fixed it, practically with his eyes
closed!! If you have carb troubles check with your local motorcycle
dealer...
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
jimmie, just for a talking point; at a couple of get-togethers with Eric from Rotax
told several listers that 5200-5400 was the best rpm for long life of the
912. Something to do with back pressure .....John King or others may remember
more accurately than I.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>
> Shorty
>
> My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
> what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800 rpm I
> cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm to
> 4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
> seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining at
> all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> >
> > Jimmie , I hear yah.
> >
> > GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
> too.
> >
> > What engine are you running> ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
> >
> > etc
> > and empty weight ?
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Shorty
> > >
> > > I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
> refinished
> > > so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the
> cost
> > > of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the
> > prop
> > > is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
> advantage
> > > of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC
> until
> > I
> > > know that is functions as well as the GSC.
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "shortnaked"
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
>
> > > >
> > > > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> > > >
> > > > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Always open to hear option s.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shorty
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jeff"
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff"
> > > > >
> > > > > Jimmie
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand.
> (The
> > > > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> > > re-engined
> > > > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
> > submitted
> > > my
> > > > > request with all the requested information on the correct form to
> the
> > > PFA
> > > > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > > > >
> > > > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying
> they
> > > will
> > > > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
> > not
> > > > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
> > busy.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
> > the
> > > > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
> > and
> > > > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > > > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
> > consider!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > Do not archive.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
> > prop.
> > > > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
> > matter.
> > > I
> > > > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> > > FSDO
> > > > or
> > > > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
> repairman's
> > > > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
jimmie, just for a talking point; ata couple ofget-togethers with Eric from Rotax
told several listers that 5200-5400 was the best rpm for long life of the 912.
Something to do with back pressure .....John King or others may remember more
accurately than I.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
Shorty
My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800 rpm I
cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm to
4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining at
all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
Thanks
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
--&
gt; Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
Jimmie , I hear yah.
GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
too.
What engine are you running ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
etc
and empty weight ?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
Shorty
I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
refinished
>
; so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the
cost
of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the
prop
is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
advantage
of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC
until
I
know that is functions as well as the GSC.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
<SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
What are the advantages of a difernet prop t
han a GSC?
I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
Always open to hear option s.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <JEFFTHOMAS@NTLWORLD.COM>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <JEFFTHOMAS@NTLWORLD.COM>
Jimmie
I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand.
(The
Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
re
-engined
with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
submitted
my
request with all the requested information on the correct form to
the
PFA
(Popular Flying Association) England.
Their engineering department have just written back to me saying
they
will
now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
not
heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
busy.
There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
the
register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
>
; and
balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
consider!
Regards
Jeff
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
&
gt; I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
prop.
Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
matter.
I
prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
FSDO
or
a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
repairman's
certificate for the airplane.
Jimmie
Kitfox Model IV
ox-list
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Is t he Email delayed here> ?
I sent a few emails and nothing come through ?
Shorty ?
----- Original Message -----
From: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing carb help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
>
>
> We have a Model IV 1200 with a Roxtax 912 UL. We starting having carb
> troubles and could not find anyone in the area with knowledge of the Bing
> 64. Finally called the local BMW motorcycle dealer and found a mechanic
that
> had worked on the carbs for years. He fixed it, practically with his eyes
> closed!! If you have carb troubles check with your local motorcycle
> dealer...
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Well i nevr got this other mail from jimmie,
Thx Jimmie anyhow,
What rpm you getting static?
and how long a TO roll you got solo?
What is your climb rate as well
Thx
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> jimmie, just for a talking point; at a couple of get-togethers with Eric
from Rotax told several listers that 5200-5400 was the best rpm for long
life of the 912. Something to do with back pressure .....John King or
others may remember more accurately than I.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> > My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
> > what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800 rpm
I
> > cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm
to
> > 4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
> > seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining
at
> > all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "shortnaked"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> > >
> > > Jimmie , I hear yah.
> > >
> > > GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
> > too.
> > >
> > > What engine are you running> ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
> > >
> > > etc
> > > and empty weight ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Shorty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shorty
> > > >
> > > > I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
> > refinished
> > > > so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half
the
> > cost
> > > > of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while
the
> > > prop
> > > > is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
> > advantage
> > > > of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC
> > until
> > > I
> > > > know that is functions as well as the GSC.
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "shortnaked"
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Always open to hear option s.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Shorty
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jeff"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second
hand.
> > (The
> > > > > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> > > > re-engined
> > > > > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
> > > submitted
> > > > my
> > > > > > request with all the requested information on the correct form
to
> > the
> > > > PFA
> > > > > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying
> > they
> > > > will
> > > > > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I
have
> > > not
> > > > > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be
really
> > > busy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft
operating on
> > > the
> > > > > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming
weight
> > > and
> > > > > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no
real
> > > > > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
> > > consider!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do not archive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground
adjustable
> > > prop.
> > > > > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
> > > matter.
> > > > I
> > > > > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to
go,
> > > > FSDO
> > > > > or
> > > > > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
> > repairman's
> > > > > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> jimmie, just for a talking point; ata couple ofget-togethers with Eric
from Rotax told several listers that 5200-5400 was the best rpm for long
life of the 912. Something to do with back pressure .....John King or others
may remember more accurately than I.
>
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
>
> Shorty
>
> My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
> what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800 rpm
I
> cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm to
> 4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
> seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining at
> all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> --&
> gt; Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
>
> Jimmie , I hear yah.
>
> GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
> too.
>
> What engine are you running ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
>
> etc
> and empty weight ?
>
>
> Shorty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
>
>
> Shorty
>
> I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
> refinished
> >
> ; so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half the
> cost
> of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while the
> prop
> is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
> advantage
> of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC
> until
> I
> know that is functions as well as the GSC.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
>
> What are the advantages of a difernet prop t
> han a GSC?
>
> I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
>
>
> Always open to hear option s.
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <JEFFTHOMAS@NTLWORLD.COM>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <JEFFTHOMAS@NTLWORLD.COM>
>
> Jimmie
>
> I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand.
> (The
> Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> re
> -engined
> with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
> submitted
> my
> request with all the requested information on the correct form to
> the
> PFA
> (Popular Flying Association) England.
>
> Their engineering department have just written back to me saying
> they
> will
> now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
> not
> heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
> busy.
>
> There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating on
> the
> register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
> >
> ; and
> balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
> consider!
>
> Regards
>
> Jeff
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
>
> &
> gt; I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
> prop.
> Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
> matter.
> I
> prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to go,
> FSDO
> or
> a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
> repairman's
> certificate for the airplane.
>
>
> Jimmie
> Kitfox Model IV
>
>
> ox-list
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Bob,
You might want to go to the website for the state attorney general and the
better business bureau. Ask them if they have had other complaints. That
will give you an idea if there is a pattern or practice. Also, may be since
the sportsman pilot thing passed they are going crazy with production. Lets
hope so. Wouldn't that be nice? Jeff Classic IV
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob & Margaret Olson <bobpa12@direcway.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/16/2004 12:26:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
<bobpa12@direcway.com>
>
> Thanks for your reply Don. I was asked for full payment to secure my
place
> in line for a "end of Oct to first part of Nov delivery". (nothing in
> writing) Sometimes I am a little to trusting of my fellow man! The last
time
> I talked to Frank, he said, maybe by the end of the year, but would not
> commit to that. I hate to sound like a jerk and demand my money back, but
> may have to resort to that. If I ran my business the way they do, I
probably
> would be out of business by now. I guess I will wait a week or so longer
and
> then go to "plan B".
>
> Bob Olson (series 7,someday, maybe)
>
>
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| Subject: | Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Bob,
To coin a phrase "I feel your pain" or maybe "Welcome to the Club" I took
delivery of my kit in Sept. of 02. The plane is now finished less engine.
Still waiting on the engine and now have had to send back the engine mount
for modifications. I hope you don't have to wait as long as I have. What I
really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
list......enough said
Roger Mac
S7/ 912s (some day)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob &
Margaret Olson
Subject: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
<bobpa12@direcway.com>
What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from Skystar?
I ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on 8-25-04 and as
of today have not received a delivery date. All I have is excuses from
Skystar! I am starting to get very nervous about this order. What would you
guys do?
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| Subject: | Re: Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Roger ,
<<What I
> really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
> list......enough said
> Roger Mac
>>
Why is that ?
If it is true and a fact that will help out other KF owners and builders why
would you get booted?
Skystar should be lucky that guy with the SER 7 has not come down and busted
some balls at the factory.
Sounds like they pretty odd operation now.
Hope this posst makes it my others are not . CC in case someone playign the
moderation game.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Bob,
> To coin a phrase "I feel your pain" or maybe "Welcome to the Club"
I took
> delivery of my kit in Sept. of 02. The plane is now finished less engine.
> Still waiting on the engine and now have had to send back the engine mount
> for modifications. I hope you don't have to wait as long as I have. What I
> really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
> list......enough said
> Roger Mac
> S7/ 912s (some day)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob &
> Margaret Olson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
> <bobpa12@direcway.com>
>
> What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from
Skystar?
> I ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on 8-25-04 and
as
> of today have not received a delivery date. All I have is excuses from
> Skystar! I am starting to get very nervous about this order. What would
you
> guys do?
>
>
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| Subject: | Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Shorty,
NO one is playing any moderation games with yours, or any messages. If you
are sending messages that are not being posted, it is for some other reason.
Contact me or Darrel with the details and we will try to figure it out.
Don Pearsall
List Co-Administrator
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Roger ,
<<What I
> really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
> list......enough said
> Roger Mac
>>
Why is that ?
If it is true and a fact that will help out other KF owners and builders why
would you get booted?
Skystar should be lucky that guy with the SER 7 has not come down and busted
some balls at the factory.
Sounds like they pretty odd operation now.
Hope this posst makes it my others are not . CC in case someone playign the
moderation game.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Bob,
> To coin a phrase "I feel your pain" or maybe "Welcome to the Club"
I took
> delivery of my kit in Sept. of 02. The plane is now finished less engine.
> Still waiting on the engine and now have had to send back the engine mount
> for modifications. I hope you don't have to wait as long as I have. What I
> really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
> list......enough said
> Roger Mac
> S7/ 912s (some day)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob &
> Margaret Olson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
> <bobpa12@direcway.com>
>
> What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from
Skystar?
> I ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on 8-25-04 and
as
> of today have not received a delivery date. All I have is excuses from
> Skystar! I am starting to get very nervous about this order. What would
you
> guys do?
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> Hope this posst makes it my others are not . CC in case someone playign
the
> moderation game.
> Shorty
Shorty, I'm glad you brought that up and I felt I should respond to this
just so that everyone knows. Neither Don Pearsall (co-adminstrator) nor I
play any moderation games on this list and nobody gets "booted"--which is
very rare--without fair warning. This list is done in real time which means
we don't see the posts any sooner than you. If your posts aren't making it
here--many of them have--then you may have a server problem or they're being
filtered somewhere along the way in cyberspace. I've sent posts to the list
that didn't show up for over 12 hours, but that's not the norm.
Eight shopping days left. Everybody ready?
Darrel Morisse
List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My apologies. I sent an almost identical message to this one and about two
minutes after I posted it Don's message came through.
Y'all carry on now, heah?
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Shorty,
> NO one is playing any moderation games with yours, or any messages. If you
> are sending messages that are not being posted, it is for some other
reason.
> Contact me or Darrel with the details and we will try to figure it out.
>
> Don Pearsall
> List Co-Administrator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> Roger ,
>
> <<What I
> > really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
> > list......enough said
> > Roger Mac
> >>
>
> Why is that ?
> If it is true and a fact that will help out other KF owners and builders
why
> would you get booted?
>
> Skystar should be lucky that guy with the SER 7 has not come down and
busted
> some balls at the factory.
> Sounds like they pretty odd operation now.
>
> Hope this posst makes it my others are not . CC in case someone playign
the
> moderation game.
> Shorty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> >
> > Bob,
> > To coin a phrase "I feel your pain" or maybe "Welcome to the
Club"
> I took
> > delivery of my kit in Sept. of 02. The plane is now finished less
engine.
> > Still waiting on the engine and now have had to send back the engine
mount
> > for modifications. I hope you don't have to wait as long as I have. What
I
> > really think of SS can't be printed without having me removed from the
> > list......enough said
> > Roger Mac
> > S7/ 912s (some day)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob &
> > Margaret Olson
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Buying from Skystar?
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
> > <bobpa12@direcway.com>
> >
> > What is some of your experiences of buying and receiving a kit from
> Skystar?
> > I ordered my Series 7 kit on 8-11-04. Paid for it in full on 8-25-04 and
> as
> > of today have not received a delivery date. All I have is excuses from
> > Skystar! I am starting to get very nervous about this order. What would
> you
> > guys do?
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Well Darrel,
10 PM here EST I re send this now and see when it arrives.
And what is this 8 days of shopping stuff?
I start next week sometime LOL
3 hours MAX and 1 of those in the bad LOL
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: List moderation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> > Hope this posst makes it my others are not . CC in case someone playign
> the
> > moderation game.
> > Shorty
>
> Shorty, I'm glad you brought that up and I felt I should respond to this
> just so that everyone knows. Neither Don Pearsall (co-adminstrator) nor I
> play any moderation games on this list and nobody gets "booted"--which is
> very rare--without fair warning. This list is done in real time which
means
> we don't see the posts any sooner than you. If your posts aren't making
it
> here--many of them have--then you may have a server problem or they're
being
> filtered somewhere along the way in cyberspace. I've sent posts to the
list
> that didn't show up for over 12 hours, but that's not the norm.
>
> Eight shopping days left. Everybody ready?
> Darrel Morisse
> List Administrator
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
AVID for sale on Ebay looks like a real nice buy at 10,600
forgive me if i sinned and posted a AVID on the KF list but many guys look for
either ya all know
Shorty
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd1&item4511391645&category63679&sspagenameWDVW
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| Subject: | elevator hinge question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
How are you people installing your elevator hinges? I just received a
new piece of the material from Skystar, and after trying to force a
.312" dia. chunk of nylon tubing into a .285" hole, my only words (that
are suitable for this list) are "what the....?" I tried forcing the
stuff into a wooden block per the manual, but that's not working very
satisfactorily, so I'm looking for answers. I'm about ready to get an
8' length of 1/4" steel rod and braze it to a reamer and drag that back
through the hor, stab and elevator to open up the holes, so I can get
the bearings in there. I placed a call to SS, but no call back yet.
When I say the holes were .285" that's with the powder coating in
place. Anybody got any better ideas? Short of turning the bearing
material down on a lathe, I'm about ready to make the world's longest
reamer!
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Changing Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Static rpm is 4400 rpm. Takeoff role is about 200' and climb solo is 1000'.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> Well i nevr got this other mail from jimmie,
>
> Thx Jimmie anyhow,
>
> What rpm you getting static?
>
> and how long a TO roll you got solo?
>
> What is your climb rate as well
>
>
> Thx
>
> Shorty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> > jimmie, just for a talking point; at a couple of get-togethers with Eric
> from Rotax told several listers that 5200-5400 was the best rpm for long
> life of the 912. Something to do with back pressure .....John King or
> others may remember more accurately than I.
> >
> > John Kerr
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > >
> > > Shorty
> > >
> > > My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
> > > what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800
rpm
> I
> > > cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm
> to
> > > 4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
> > > seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining
> at
> > > all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jimmie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "shortnaked"
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> > > >
> > > > Jimmie , I hear yah.
> > > >
> > > > GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
> > > too.
> > > >
> > > > What engine are you running> ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
> > > >
> > > > etc
> > > > and empty weight ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shorty
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Shorty
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
> > > refinished
> > > > > so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half
> the
> > > cost
> > > > > of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane
while
> the
> > > > prop
> > > > > is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
> > > advantage
> > > > > of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the
GSC
> > > until
> > > > I
> > > > > know that is functions as well as the GSC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "shortnaked"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are the advantages of a difernet prop than a GSC?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Always open to hear option s.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shorty
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jeff"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second
> hand.
> > > (The
> > > > > > > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was
being
> > > > > re-engined
> > > > > > > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
> > > > submitted
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > request with all the requested information on the correct form
> to
> > > the
> > > > > PFA
> > > > > > > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Their engineering department have just written back to me
saying
> > > they
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I
> have
> > > > not
> > > > > > > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be
> really
> > > > busy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft
> operating on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming
> weight
> > > > and
> > > > > > > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no
> real
> > > > > > > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
> > > > consider!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do not archive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground
> adjustable
> > > > prop.
> > > > > > > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into
the
> > > > matter.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where
to
> go,
> > > > > FSDO
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
> > > repairman's
> > > > > > > certificate for the airplane.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jimmie
> > > > > > > > Kitfox Model IV
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > jimmie, just for a talking point; ata couple ofget-togethers with Eric
> from Rotax told several listers that 5200-5400 was the best rpm for long
> life of the 912. Something to do with back pressure .....John King or
others
> may remember more accurately than I.
> >
> > John Kerr
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> > My engine is the 912 UL 80 hp. My empty weight is 685 lbs. Do not know
> > what the GSC model is or the exact pitch. I am second owner. At 4800
rpm
> I
> > cruise at 110 mph, (rpm gauge has been calibrated). Decreasing the rpm
to
> > 4400 rpm cruise is at 95 mph. Just by the sound of the engine 4400 rpm
> > seems to be a good setting as the engine does not seem to be straining
at
> > all. Hope this answers most of your questions.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
> > To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > --&
> > gt; Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
> >
> > Jimmie , I hear yah.
> >
> > GSC is still a great prop but like any prop it all about adjustment
> > too.
> >
> > What engine are you running ? and what pitch and what GSC prop ?
> >
> > etc
> > and empty weight ?
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> > To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> >
> > I do not have anything against the GSC. My GSC does need to be
> > refinished
> > >
> > ; so by the time I pay for refinishing and shipping I was over half
the
> > cost
> > of an IVO prop, not to mention the down time for the airplane while
the
> > prop
> > is being refinished and traveling to Canada and back. To me the
> > advantage
> > of the IVO is the quick adjust feature. I plan to hold onto the GSC
> > until
> > I
> > know that is functions as well as the GSC.
> >
> > Jimmie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "shortnaked" <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
> > To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked"
> > <SHORTNAKED@GOLDEN.NET>
> >
> > What are the advantages of a difernet prop t
> > han a GSC?
> >
> > I have 68" 3 blade on 582 and it works excellent.
> >
> >
> > Always open to hear option s.
> >
> >
> > Shorty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff" <JEFFTHOMAS@NTLWORLD.COM>
> > To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff" <JEFFTHOMAS@NTLWORLD.COM>
> >
> > Jimmie
> >
> > I want to change my GSC prop for an Ecoprop I bought second hand.
> > (The
> > Ecoprop came from a 582 model 3 Kitfox like mine that was being
> > re
> > -engined
> > with a Rotax 912). Like you, I wanted to "do things right" so
> > submitted
> > my
> > request with all the requested information on the correct form to
> > the
> > PFA
> > (Popular Flying Association) England.
> >
> > Their engineering department have just written back to me saying
> > they
> > will
> > now consider my request....... and to contact them again if I have
> > not
> > heard from them within 3 months! I guess these guys must be really
> > busy.
> >
> > There are already UK registered model 3 Kitfox aircraft operating
on
> > the
> > register using both sorts of prop, and apart from confirming weight
> > >
> > ; and
> > balance was OK and a test flight I thought there would be no real
> > problem.... obviously there must be other things than this to
> > consider!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> > To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Changing Props
> >
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <JABLACKWELL@EV1.NET>
> >
> > &
> > gt; I am preparing to change my GSC prop to an IVO ground adjustable
> > prop.
> > Some are advising me to just do it and not get the FAA into the
> > matter.
> > I
> > prefer to follow the correct procedure, but do not know where to
go,
> > FSDO
> > or
> > a local DAR? Don't know if it matters but I do not hold a
> > repairman's
> > certificate for the airplane.
> >
> >
> > Jimmie
> > Kitfox Model IV
> >
> >
> > ox-list
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: elevator hinge question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
I took a piece 4130 tube that the tubing fit snuggly in and then cut a slot
length wise
as long as the bearing plus a little,so I could cut a small slice out of the
side, so when
you force the tube in it closed the gap and fit very snug.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: elevator hinge question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> How are you people installing your elevator hinges? I just received a
> new piece of the material from Skystar, and after trying to force a
> .312" dia. chunk of nylon tubing into a .285" hole, my only words (that
> are suitable for this list) are "what the....?" I tried forcing the
> stuff into a wooden block per the manual, but that's not working very
> satisfactorily, so I'm looking for answers. I'm about ready to get an
> 8' length of 1/4" steel rod and braze it to a reamer and drag that back
> through the hor, stab and elevator to open up the holes, so I can get
> the bearings in there. I placed a call to SS, but no call back yet.
> When I say the holes were .285" that's with the powder coating in
> place. Anybody got any better ideas? Short of turning the bearing
> material down on a lathe, I'm about ready to make the world's longest
> reamer!
>
> Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Buying from Skystar? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: FlyCyOZ@aol.com
I tend to agree that there are some problems there -- it took me 3 emails
(no reply) and two phone calls to order a simple piece - P/N 13017.000 --
Cable Lock Bolt for the trim system on the Series 5 -- we'll see if it get here
to Australia!!!!!
Cheers ALL and A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS and A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!
Cy
Series 5/Jabiru 3300
Australia
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