Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Skystar (shortnaked)
2. 05:00 AM - Sight glass tubing, fuel (Keith Downey)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:37 AM - Flight Simulators (Steve Zakreski)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (Gary Algate)
6. 06:34 AM - Contact (Bob Unternaehrer)
7. 06:55 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (roger augenstein)
8. 06:59 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (shortnaked)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (Gary Algate)
10. 07:26 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (Jay & Beverly Carter)
11. 07:37 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (shortnaked)
12. 08:48 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (Steve Zakreski)
13. 09:03 AM - 503 PART (Gary Algate)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (jdmcbean)
15. 09:27 AM - sight tubing fuel (LeRoy staley)
16. 10:40 AM - Re: Flight Simulators (Michel Verheughe)
17. 10:49 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (Michel Verheughe)
18. 11:10 AM - Re: Flight Simulators (shortnaked)
19. 11:11 AM - Model KF V Simulator? Re: Flight Simulators (Harris, Robert)
20. 11:37 AM - skystar (customtrans@qwest.net)
21. 11:39 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (kurt schrader)
22. 11:49 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (kurt schrader)
23. 12:05 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (kitfoxjunky)
24. 12:33 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (shortnaked)
25. 12:38 PM - 582 jetting (Dee Young)
26. 01:09 PM - test (Lowell Fitt)
27. 01:46 PM - Re: Model KF V Simulator? (Michel Verheughe)
28. 01:50 PM - Re: test (shortnaked)
29. 01:54 PM - Re: Engine ram air intake (Michel Verheughe)
30. 02:08 PM - Re: test (roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick))
31. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Model KF V Simulator? (Harris, Robert)
32. 02:19 PM - Re: test (shortnaked)
33. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Model KF V Simulator? (Michel Verheughe)
34. 02:58 PM - (Rex & Jan Shaw)
35. 03:02 PM - Will Planes from v.7 work with v.8? (Harris, Robert)
36. 03:06 PM - Good Service (Harris, Robert)
37. 03:31 PM - Re: test (customtrans@qwest.net)
38. 03:52 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (John Oakley)
39. 03:55 PM - Re: Engine ram air intake (kurt schrader)
40. 04:23 PM - Re: Jabber Engine Air Intake (kurt schrader)
41. 04:30 PM - Re: Density Altitude Info (kurt schrader)
42. 04:32 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (shortnaked)
43. 08:00 PM - Re: West Epoxy (Mark Scott)
44. 10:31 PM - Skystar (Bruce Hoisington)
45. 10:58 PM - Re: Skystar (kitfoxpilot)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Lowell,
Skystar has changed alot since 1992 so it seems and these issues are the
current problems. Previous history will sure help a reputation immensly.
But You are telling me that Skystar does not owe an appolgy to guys like
Bill that have paid in full last August and got nothing yet in 4 months?
I think Skystar should post here their thoughts as it is their product and
reputation that is being "chattted" about and of course all the positive
talk cannot erase a few dis-appointed Customers.
Oh and Lowell you asked who posted something? Well that was me and here
is the post.
You are welcome.
Shorty
btw The negativity could easily be corrected By Skystar being better
communicators to the customers. I have dealt with them before Lowell and
the last time being last year and I finally got a call back weeks after my
initial phone calls. So i can Agree that they are slow to responded.
But they do make a nice plane !!
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Original Message -----
From: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tired
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> This thread gone to the dogs.
> whining about this and that.
>
> does anyone actually fly ?
>
> i was out 5 times today.
>
> Unreal a real pilot that not care about who post and forgets to delete
this
> or that .
>
> Shorty likes lazair.com cause it got free movies of ultralights when
i
> not flying i watch em LOL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I would like to reply to this thread also. I do feel for those that are
> behind the delivery curve, but I can't frankly see how trashing and
> criticizing Skystar publicly helps very much.
>
> It is a fact that SS suffered some severe setbacks in past years
including,
> but not limited to the hangar accident with the runaway Cessna and 9-11,
not
> to mention Ed Downs bailout a day before Oshkosh.
>
> As with Bill, I have been a SS customer since 1992. I paid for my kit up
> front before delivery. My delivery date was about 3 months after I placed
> the order. Maybe some things have changed. My hope is that full strength
> will return to SS sooner rather than later, but unless I want to hurt the
> company's public image - and I can't think how that could possibly be to
my
> best interest, I personally will keep any frustrations with them strictly
> between them and me.
>
> Sometimes this list actually amazes me. For some who have been here a
> while, you might remember that at least one company that has supplied
> components to many list members was placed off limits to criticism.
> Discussion on these components still come up from time to time and
> criticism - at times much deserved - is tactfully eliminated from the
> discussion, especially if of an opinionated nature. But let the
discussion
> center around Skystar - let the fun begin.
>
> Who was it that said:
>
> "This thread gone to the dogs.
> whining about this and that.
>
> does anyone actually fly ?"
>
> I am getting really weary of all this. 'Been away for 4 days - didn't
miss
> the list and miss it even less now.
>
> Sometimes I wonder how many of the most "Skystar" critical list members
have
> actually been Skystar customers.
>
> Maybe a little longer though.
> regards,
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
> >
> > I'd like to add some comments to the SkyStar beating that's been going
on.
> I've been dealing with these people since '93 and continue to deal with
them
> for the occasional part and advice. I've never had any of the problems
> people are complaining about nor have I found them to be un- or non-
> communicative. It has been rare in my experience to find a company so
> focused on trying to get it right and nearly always succeeding.
> > Bill in Maine
> > IV-1200
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Sight glass tubing, fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
I'm back on the list after a substantial off period.
Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc.
Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride.
About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need answer
to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than other?
Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end "over 90 degrees"
when set up? Looks like finished product should have two 90 degree bends
that are exactly 5" center to center. Help!
Keith in KY
Series 6
khd@ekns.net
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| Subject: | Re: Engine ram air intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Kurt, I searched, but no find. Which one on the lists is the article?
Darrel
> Here is an Aero-news report of an STC for a ram air
> intake system on Grumman planes. it gives some idea
> of what such a system might do for you if you make one
> for your KF.
>
>
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22436a73-87c6-4941-9c88-be92d7fd3824&#d
>
> Kurt S.
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Flight Simulators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR
training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough
from a game to be useful for IFR?
SteveZ
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| Subject: | 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Shorty
My plane was also supplied with the GSC 3 blade prop and had no issues with
the 3:1 C box. The problem only arises with the IVO In-flight adjustable
prop due to the moving internal components
GaryA
Lite2/582
Rex,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I got a KT IV 582 GSC 68 3 blader c boc No PRoblems
Idles smooth over 2200 rpm but will idle 1800 with a bit of shake
works Excellent 1300 fpm solo min 1000 fpm dual
crusie 5800 93 mph
Just put on skis today -- test flown sweet !! like landing on cotton :)
Shorty
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
If Rolf Unternaehrer is on this list, would you please contact me at email below.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" <raugenstein@fuse.net>
Keith,
I used brass barb fittings in the tank and polyvinyl clear tubing that is
gas resistant. Then a 1/8" copper tube bent at the 90 degree angles in the
tubing to hold the correct angles. Hope this helps.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
>
> I'm back on the list after a substantial off period.
> Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc.
> Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride.
> About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need
answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than
other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end
"over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two
90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help!
>
> Keith in KY
> Series 6
> khd@ekns.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Gary,
What kind of performance differances do you get with the inflight over the
GSC?
I find this combination is pretty darn good off wheels or skis but with
floats i not sure as I not tried yet.
Thx
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Shorty
>
> My plane was also supplied with the GSC 3 blade prop and had no issues
with
> the 3:1 C box. The problem only arises with the IVO In-flight adjustable
> prop due to the moving internal components
>
> GaryA
> Lite2/582
> Rex,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I got a KT IV 582 GSC 68 3 blader c boc No PRoblems
> Idles smooth over 2200 rpm but will idle 1800 with a bit of shake
> works Excellent 1300 fpm solo min 1000 fpm dual
> crusie 5800 93 mph
>
> Just put on skis today -- test flown sweet !! like landing on cotton
:)
>
> Shorty
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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| Subject: | 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
The performance increase was pretty dramatic as I gained about 150ft/min
climb and about 3 Ltr/Hr in cruise by lowering rpm.
I think the biggest advantage is not having to continually play with prop
pitch as the weather changes - I just select what is optimum for flying
conditions at the time
GaryA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary,
What kind of performance differances do you get with the inflight over the
GSC?
I find this combination is pretty darn good off wheels or skis but with
floats i not sure as I not tried yet.
Thx
Shorty
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| Subject: | Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" <valley361@centurytel.net>
Keith,
I never did get a satisfactory bend in the sight tubes. Don't know
why the jig allowed for over bending one side. You might try pulling a
length of rope in the tube before bending. I called Skystar to order more
tube and was told they are changing the sight tube assembly. What they told
me and what I did was this. Installed hose barbs in place of the plastic
fittings at the tank. Bent "square u" shapes to align with the hose barbs
out of 1/8" SS welding rod. Slid clear fuel proof tubing over the rod. When
finished looks like the rigid tubing.
Jay C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
>
> I'm back on the list after a substantial off period.
> Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc.
> Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride.
> About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need
answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than
other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end
"over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two
90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help!
>
> Keith in KY
> Series 6
> khd@ekns.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Gary ,
Thanks for that info, I like the looks GSC inflight adjustable as it all
mechanincal and not electric.
But I have yet to see one on a Kitfox yet. And would like to see some
numbers as how they work.
Any thoughts ?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> The performance increase was pretty dramatic as I gained about 150ft/min
> climb and about 3 Ltr/Hr in cruise by lowering rpm.
>
> I think the biggest advantage is not having to continually play with prop
> pitch as the weather changes - I just select what is optimum for flying
> conditions at the time
>
> GaryA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Gary,
>
> What kind of performance differances do you get with the inflight over
the
> GSC?
> I find this combination is pretty darn good off wheels or skis but with
> floats i not sure as I not tried yet.
>
>
> Thx
>
> Shorty
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
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| Subject: | Sight glass tubing, fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Keith
I bent mine perfectly...after 6 attempts. Definitely not the simplest thing
to do. Once done correctly, it looks great and works great, but some things
to keep in mind:
1) Be prepared to order extra tube and try again.
2) Leaks at the fittings are fairly common, and usually show up as a fuel
drip at the fuel drain fitting. (It leaks back inside the wing and is
difficult to detect). Be very careful not to score the plastic sight tube
when installing the black fitting.
3) The tube will collapse at the black fitting with time causing the leak.
Some people insert a piece of copper or aluminium tubing inside the sight
glass tube to give it rigidity, I filled the end with epoxy and drilled it
out with a 1/32" drill so the epoxy both strengthens the tube and also acts
as the restrictor.
4) I have no idea why the acute angle on one side. I made mine 90 degrees
both sides.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay &
Beverly Carter
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter"
<valley361@centurytel.net>
Keith,
I never did get a satisfactory bend in the sight tubes. Don't know
why the jig allowed for over bending one side. You might try pulling a
length of rope in the tube before bending. I called Skystar to order more
tube and was told they are changing the sight tube assembly. What they told
me and what I did was this. Installed hose barbs in place of the plastic
fittings at the tank. Bent "square u" shapes to align with the hose barbs
out of 1/8" SS welding rod. Slid clear fuel proof tubing over the rod. When
finished looks like the rigid tubing.
Jay C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
>
> I'm back on the list after a substantial off period.
> Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc.
> Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride.
> About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need
answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than
other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end
"over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two
90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help!
>
> Keith in KY
> Series 6
> khd@ekns.net
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
A friend of mine discovered a cracked engine housing on his 503 Rotax
engine. The part is the rear housing where the magneto sensors mount and
includes the fan housing as well.
If anybody has a housing or beat up 503 that might have this component could
they email me or give me a call. It has to be from the aviation 503 with
dual magnetos
Thanks in advance
Gary A
582/Lite2
(705) 716 0710
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| Subject: | Sight glass tubing, fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Keith,
I offer a kit for the fuel sight tubes and placards.... Give a visit to
http://sportplanellc.com/Products.htm about half way down..
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Keith Downey
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" <khd@ekns.net>
I'm back on the list after a substantial off period.
Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc.
Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride.
About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need
answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than
other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end
"over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two
90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help!
Keith in KY
Series 6
khd@ekns.net
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| Subject: | sight tubing fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
Can anyone tell me the size of the tubing for this and
couldnt you go to o'reilly's and get some auto fuel
tubing. Also on the barb fittings on the tank dont you
have to have a clamp of some kind to make sure they
dont loosen up? I know after time they do cloud up and
make it difficult to read.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Zakreski wrote:
> Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR
> training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough
> from a game to be useful for IFR?
Hello Steve, my Calgary friend!
For the quality and the availability of worldwide scenery; for the quality and
degree of details of great planes, choose Microsoft Flight Simulator.
For a truer flight model feeling and customizing of aircraft, choose X-Plane.
IFR? Like, artificial horizon, turn coordinator, gyro compass, VOR, NDB, DME, ILS?
You'll find that in all the simulators, even ten years old ones. IFR
(especially in glass cockpit) is the simplest to simulate. VFR by the seat of
your pants, is the hardest.
If I was you, I would choose X-Plane. This is why: To train IFR, you need to
train for procedures. I have a great experience in maritime simulation and I
know that if you want a marine engineer to switch the right valve when an alarm
is heard in the engine control room, he must be able to do it in the dark, half
asleep. Therefore accurate engine room mock-ups with the exact arm length to
the valve are needed.
Likewise, on your simulator, you would like to have your panel instruments
exactly as they are in real life.
aircraft. Customize yours and train your eyes to scan the instruments in the
right pattern, as I have done with my virtual Kitfox for two years now.
http://www.x-plane.com
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Engine ram air intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22436a73-87c6-4941-9c88-be92d7fd3824&#d
Er ... lots of news there, but I can't find anything about ram air, Kurt. Sorry.
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Cannot Comment on X plane but I have wanted to try it and one day prolly
will.
FS 2002 2004 both decent. You have most controls as in real life.
you can shoot ndb ils vor approaches and plates are on gps.
you can set your weather to real time or your own specs
- fly in 100 feet adn 1/18 mile in snow or rain -set your winds as well.
Would not pass up a chance ot test it out tho.
both xplane and fs are cheap just ask santa for em :)
Shorty
Tons of add ons for FS as well
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Steve Zakreski wrote:
> > Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for
IFR
> > training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough
> > from a game to be useful for IFR?
>
> Hello Steve, my Calgary friend!
>
> For the quality and the availability of worldwide scenery; for the quality
and
> degree of details of great planes, choose Microsoft Flight Simulator.
> For a truer flight model feeling and customizing of aircraft, choose
>
> IFR? Like, artificial horizon, turn coordinator, gyro compass, VOR, NDB,
DME, ILS?
> You'll find that in all the simulators, even ten years old ones. IFR
> (especially in glass cockpit) is the simplest to simulate. VFR by the seat
of
> your pants, is the hardest.
>
> If I was you, I would choose X-Plane. This is why: To train IFR, you need
to
> train for procedures. I have a great experience in maritime simulation and
I
> know that if you want a marine engineer to switch the right valve when an
alarm
> is heard in the engine control room, he must be able to do it in the dark,
half
> asleep. Therefore accurate engine room mock-ups with the exact arm length
to
> the valve are needed.
> Likewise, on your simulator, you would like to have your panel instruments
> exactly as they are in real life.
> aircraft. Customize yours and train your eyes to scan the instruments in
the
> right pattern, as I have done with my virtual Kitfox for two years now.
>
> http://www.x-plane.com
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Michel, I saw your plane on X-plane and really like it. Thanks for making
it. I have MSN flight simulator but I'm going to buy X-plane just so I can
fly your plane. I have a model II similar to yours and just bought a model
V. Do you know of any Model V's I can fly on X-plane?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Zakreski wrote:
> Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR
> training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough
> from a game to be useful for IFR?
Hello Steve, my Calgary friend!
For the quality and the availability of worldwide scenery; for the quality
and
degree of details of great planes, choose Microsoft Flight Simulator.
For a truer flight model feeling and customizing of aircraft, choose
IFR? Like, artificial horizon, turn coordinator, gyro compass, VOR, NDB,
DME, ILS?
You'll find that in all the simulators, even ten years old ones. IFR
(especially in glass cockpit) is the simplest to simulate. VFR by the seat
of
your pants, is the hardest.
If I was you, I would choose X-Plane. This is why: To train IFR, you need to
train for procedures. I have a great experience in maritime simulation and I
know that if you want a marine engineer to switch the right valve when an
alarm
is heard in the engine control room, he must be able to do it in the dark,
half
asleep. Therefore accurate engine room mock-ups with the exact arm length to
the valve are needed.
Likewise, on your simulator, you would like to have your panel instruments
exactly as they are in real life.
aircraft. Customize yours and train your eyes to scan the instruments in the
right pattern, as I have done with my virtual Kitfox for two years now.
http://www.x-plane.com
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I want to jump in on this one since I have been dealing with skystar pretty
deep here in the last couple months. I have to say they have been very
good, no complaints. I've had to deal with them on parts for the right
wing, horizontal and selected tubing to get my kitfox4 1200 flying again. I
recently recieved the last of my order and that was made last week. The
longest wait was for the hysol, about 4weeks, backorder. The wing ribs and
spars were sent, I felt, rather quick, I think within 2 weeks, plus a tank
and strut along with a bunch of hardware(nuts, bolts and rivets). I asked
for supliments for the wings, covering, tanks and other things and were
emailed to me, usually within minutes. I'm sure the older model kitfox can
cause problems because they are old news, with that, you would have to wait
for them to fabricate the part. Other problems would have to be on a case
by case I presume. Maybe I'm just being lucky, for once, a few months ago I
wasn't, so now I am.
About a year ago I was looking into building an Europa glider, reason for
the glider is I had troubles with the medical. I had money on the project
(about 1500) but wouldn't sign any paperwork. Good thing because I went
down to Florida for a composite class and found that many of the Europa
gliders were not getting finalized properly, the faa wouldn't approve the
glider as a power glider. Just an europa, which meant that you had to have a
medical to fly it. So, I pulled out. Later, about two months, I learned
that the group in the states went chapter 11, not 7, but 11 and that made me
feel real good that I bailed on the project. I did get my money back when I
bailed so I felt good that I was cautious enough to not sign papers.
Spending money on the trip to florida and taking the composite class, I felt
that was worth it so nothing lost there either.
I own my own business and on occation I have problems with my suppliers. I
will say the phrase, our policy is... does come up and I find this is just
an excuse to offset a problem and is the eisest way to get out of such.
thanks for reading.
Kitfox rebuilder model 4
steve allbee
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| Subject: | Re: Engine ram air intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Well, I was trying to get you to the article itself,
but Aero-News won't let it happen. Look under
12/17/2004 for "RAM_AIR STC Now Available For Grumman
AA-5.....". It has the article and some pics as well
as analysis of the performance.
Michel was considering something like this for his new
engine.
The system allows you to select unfiltered ram air in
flight. The increase (at Grumman speeds) is about
1/2" mercury, or equal to flying 750' lower in
altitude for the engine. It is up to you all to
determine if this is enough for the effort on a KF. I
just thought you would like to see the results for
comparison.
Kurt S.
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> Kurt, I searched, but no find. Which one on the
> lists is the article?
> Darrel
>
> > Here is an Aero-news report of an STC for a ram
> air
> > intake system on Grumman planes. it gives some
> idea
> > of what such a system might do for you if you make
> one
> > for your KF.
> >
> >
>
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22436a73-87c6-4941-9c88-be92d7fd3824&#d
> >
> > Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine ram air intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Opps,
Sorry Michel. See my other responce for the ram-air
article listed on 12/17/2004.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Er ... lots of news there, but I can't find anything
> about ram air, Kurt. Sorry.
>
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) |
03:04:51 PM,
Serialize complete at 12/20/2004 03:04:51 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to
address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for
the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on
this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An
AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service
bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my
prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months
before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and
the two months has passed.
On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to
replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted
a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed
to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail.
They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
"shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
12/17/2004 09:10 PM
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Bob,
yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else.
hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could
ask
and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and
being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done.
U N frigging belivable. !!
BUt hey looks l like they Waking up
Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company
did
squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :)
----- Original Message -----
Shorty
From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" <bobpa12@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
<bobpa12@direcway.com>
>
> Shorty,
> Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in
the
> future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer
they
> could not refuse.
>
> Bob Olson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Gary,
Whoa !! So sorry to hear I thought that the prop matter was already put to
bed.
Skystar good to hear the postive and negative experiences of late.
Skystar will prolly feel ike they owe it to post on this list as I am sure
it will help clear up any concerns any have or have had.
NSI shame on you !! get Gary's prop Fixed and any others that have been
deemed " UNFIT "
Shorty :)
always on patrol LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to
> address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for
> the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on
> this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An
> AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service
> bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my
> prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months
> before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and
> the two months has passed.
>
> On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to
> replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted
> a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed
> to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail.
> They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees.
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
>
> "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 12/17/2004 09:10 PM
> Please respond to kitfox-list
>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else.
>
> hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could
> ask
> and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and
> being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done.
>
>
> U N frigging belivable. !!
>
> BUt hey looks l like they Waking up
>
> Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company
> did
> squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :)
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Shorty
>
>
> From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" <bobpa12@direcway.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
> <bobpa12@direcway.com>
> >
> > Shorty,
> > Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in
> the
> > future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer
> they
> > could not refuse.
> >
> > Bob Olson
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I have a friend who flies out of 5,000' airstrip. Best information I have
found in Archive on cold weather flying is 170 main and clip cented on the
mix pin. He is now running 210 main and at the bottom of the pin. I do not
know anything about the 582 my self but know you 582 drivers can help out on
this. Please tell me what is working best for you.
Thanks
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
KFM 112
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
test
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| Subject: | Re: Model KF V Simulator? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> Michel, I saw your plane on X-plane and really like it. Thanks for making
> it. I have MSN flight simulator but I'm going to buy X-plane just so I can
> fly your plane.
Thank you very much, Robert. Let me know which simulator you prefer. I have
many friends worldwide flying both and their opinions vary. I think if you like
practice SID and STARS on an airliner, MS FS is the best. They also have an
extraordinary virtual ATC service worldwide. Closer to the real thing, you
can't get ... unless you are John Travolta, of course! :-)
But for flying an ultralight VFR, X-Plane has a more lively flight model.
things and learn about aero-dynamics.
However, to really appreciate it, you should have pedals. I can recommend CH
Products ProPedals that have toe-brakes, just like my real Kitfox. Keeping the
virtual plane from going in a ground loop is pretty much like the real thing.
Another thing that I find necessary for good VFR training is a 3D cockpit where
you can "turn your head." This is now possible in X-Plane version 8. I can
modestly add that this new feature is part of my contribution. X-Plane is
developed by only one person but he has many "friends" and I occasionally help
him with things like the water model, sun and moon position, etc.
> I have a model II similar to yours and just bought a model
> V. Do you know of any Model V's I can fly on X-plane?
No, I don't know, Robert. But one thing you have to be careful with this
simulator, is that you'll find many thousands plane models on x-plane.org.
Those are people like me who link their work on that registry. But ... it can
be anything. If the virtual plane doesn't fly properly, don't blame the
simulator, chances are that the designer did a bad job.
But if you want, we can work together to make a model 5. Building your plane,
in real-life or virtually, is the best way to know her. You can .e.g start with
my model 3 and modify it to fit the model 5 characteristics. But it is not easy
to get the proper data to build e.g. the airfoils.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
test back at you
LOL
Merry Christmas Lowell
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: test
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> test
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine ram air intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Sorry Michel. See my other responce for the ram-air
> article listed on 12/17/2004.
That is the problem, Kurt. The articles are listed only from Dec 18 on my
browser. Looks like all articles previous to the 18th have been asked to take a
long walk on a short pier. :-(
Well, the year of the lemmings, you know! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Working with an ap friend and hearing tbo smoh ttso I had to ask what
he meant by pos. He informed me that it was what a part became after
reaching tbo. Now in confusion I must ask what LOL stands for. I tried
lot's of luck, loss of life, and other equally ignorant possibilities so
please spell it out for me just once. Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Model KF V Simulator? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Thanks Michel,
I'm going to order version 8 as soon as the graphics are done in January. By
the way I have the CH ProPedals. I can hardly wait to fly your plane.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> Michel, I saw your plane on X-plane and really like it. Thanks for making
> it. I have MSN flight simulator but I'm going to buy X-plane just so I can
> fly your plane.
Thank you very much, Robert. Let me know which simulator you prefer. I have
many friends worldwide flying both and their opinions vary. I think if you
like
practice SID and STARS on an airliner, MS FS is the best. They also have an
extraordinary virtual ATC service worldwide. Closer to the real thing, you
can't get ... unless you are John Travolta, of course! :-)
But for flying an ultralight VFR, X-Plane has a more lively flight model.
things and learn about aero-dynamics.
However, to really appreciate it, you should have pedals. I can recommend CH
Products ProPedals that have toe-brakes, just like my real Kitfox. Keeping
the
virtual plane from going in a ground loop is pretty much like the real
thing.
Another thing that I find necessary for good VFR training is a 3D cockpit
where
you can "turn your head." This is now possible in X-Plane version 8. I can
modestly add that this new feature is part of my contribution. X-Plane is
developed by only one person but he has many "friends" and I occasionally
help
him with things like the water model, sun and moon position, etc.
> I have a model II similar to yours and just bought a model
> V. Do you know of any Model V's I can fly on X-plane?
No, I don't know, Robert. But one thing you have to be careful with this
simulator, is that you'll find many thousands plane models on x-plane.org.
Those are people like me who link their work on that registry. But ... it
can
be anything. If the virtual plane doesn't fly properly, don't blame the
simulator, chances are that the designer did a bad job.
But if you want, we can work together to make a model 5. Building your
plane,
in real-life or virtually, is the best way to know her. You can .e.g start
with
my model 3 and modify it to fit the model 5 characteristics. But it is not
easy
to get the proper data to build e.g. the airfoils.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
lol== LAUGH OF lOUD
pos piece of sh&T
BWDIK bUT WHOAT DO I KNOW
lmao LAUGH MY ASS OFF
FREE MOVIES http://www.lazair.com/movies/
LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Schick" <roncarolnikko@webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
>
>
> Working with an ap friend and hearing tbo smoh ttso I had to ask what
> he meant by pos. He informed me that it was what a part became after
> reaching tbo. Now in confusion I must ask what LOL stands for. I tried
> lot's of luck, loss of life, and other equally ignorant possibilities so
> please spell it out for me just once. Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model KF V Simulator? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> I'm going to order version 8 as soon as the graphics are done in January. By
> the way I have the CH ProPedals. I can hardly wait to fly your plane.
My Kitfox for X-Plane v.8 is still in the making, Robert. As you probably know,
I am installing a Jabiru in my Kitfox (today, I installed the throttle and
choke). And, in parallel, I do also the virtual model. In fact, I used X-Plane
to see how my new cowling will look like.
By doing this, I also learn my new plane: e.g. I get now used to push on the
right pedal when I take off. A simple reflex yet something you have to learn,
going from a CCW to a CW prop engine.
Someone once said that the best flight simulator is a chair and a broomstick
between your legs. Picture yourself in the plane, do what you need to do in you
head ... do it again and again and you'll learn from it. Probably more than one
hour in a high-end multi-million dollars simulator.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I too have suffered the "We'll Get it to you right away" Skystar Blues
I have a model 3 I wanted to put a 912 in , the previous owner had installed
a 582.The motor mount came with the oil tank flanges welded in backwards. I
sent them pictures and they said it would be 4 months befor they could send
another, but I could'nt return it because I Painted it! How Stupid is that
? I
did'nt weld it wrong .but they said thats the policy they have.I'm lucky in
the
fact that I have a TIG welder and Know how to use it.
It took me about 4 hours to make the tank brackets and weld them in
correctly
That was the first experience with them . I ordered a complete right wing
minus the aileron it took alot of cursing and alot of phone calls and 6
months
to
get that,but the real kicker was that I found out when one of the employees
let it slip that for Model 1,2,and3
Skystar has not manufactured any new parts . Wing ribs and attachments are
left over from when Denney owned it
if you want a 912 mount for a Model 3 they send you one from the model 4
in other words they Had All The Parts !!!!!!!!! and still took me 6 months
to
get them!!!!!!!
I'm not sure who he was but I do know that another gentelman that is or was
a
member of this group had a class action suit against Skystar for his Vixen
that he had been waiting 3 or 4 years for parts so if I were you I would GET
A
LAWYER and send a Letter of Intent,file with the better Buss.,
The ICC and if your check was sent through the mail , file fraud with the US
Postal service
I know all you guys out there think this is extreme but actions speak louder
than words
if skystar see's you mean business maybe they"ll get off their Ass and give
you what you Pay'd for if not you already have the "Ball" rolling. I bought
a
Challenger From Quad city Aircraft about 6 Years ago. I ordered it in May
and
they required a 50% deposit which I sent.I got a call 3 days later from the
factory with the production date and the shipping date.The kit arrived the
1st
week of july just like they said it would with a complete inventory. Get a
Lawyer to send them a letter and as a precaution file with the BBB the ICC
and
the
US PS
Good Luck David Cecil
Merry Christmas Everyone
Well yes David I do think this is all a bit overboard. I think that one just
quietly wants to safe gaurd there interests not go straight in both guns
blazing. Sure I know if you are on the wrong end of the stick it's easy to
go overboard but that is not necessarilly the best solution. Skystar are not
out to grab suckers and have a big fight, they just use ones money more than
is right and like all of us get behind a bit. I do suspect they go a bit
further here and possibly quote a date they know they won't meet. These two
things are all we need to address at the time of placing an order. If we
don't do that then we are partly to blame too !
I am glad to see some have had only good experiences with Skystar. I think a
bit of gentle peruasion in the rifght direction is a good thing but to go
overboard might lead to Skystars demise and I doubt we want that , do we ?
Rex Shaw
Australia.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Will Planes from v.7 work with v.8? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Michel, Will your existing X-plane Kitfox work with v.8? If not, then I'll
just order v.7
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> I'm going to order version 8 as soon as the graphics are done in January.
By
> the way I have the CH ProPedals. I can hardly wait to fly your plane.
My Kitfox for X-Plane v.8 is still in the making, Robert. As you probably
know,
I am installing a Jabiru in my Kitfox (today, I installed the throttle and
choke). And, in parallel, I do also the virtual model. In fact, I used
to see how my new cowling will look like.
By doing this, I also learn my new plane: e.g. I get now used to push on the
right pedal when I take off. A simple reflex yet something you have to
learn,
going from a CCW to a CW prop engine.
Someone once said that the best flight simulator is a chair and a broomstick
between your legs. Picture yourself in the plane, do what you need to do in
you
head ... do it again and again and you'll learn from it. Probably more than
one
hour in a high-end multi-million dollars simulator.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
I've always had great service also.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Bill
Good report and Very Glad to hear that positive comments about Skystar
:)
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net>
>
> I'd like to add some comments to the SkyStar beating that's been going on.
I've been dealing with these people since '93 and continue to deal with them
for the occasional part and advice. I've never had any of the problems
people are complaining about nor have I found them to be un- or non-
communicative. It has been rare in my experience to find a company so
focused on trying to get it right and nearly always succeeding.
> Bill in Maine
> IV-1200
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
laugh out loud
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Schick
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Working with an ap friend and hearing tbo smoh ttso I had to ask what
he meant by pos. He informed me that it was what a part became after
reaching tbo. Now in confusion I must ask what LOL stands for. I tried
lot's of luck, loss of life, and other equally ignorant possibilities so
please spell it out for me just once. Ron
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| Subject: | Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
I too was promised a number for a new hub, was told this month. no word yet.
mine was an early type hub. I too believe that a company needs to
communicate
more than we see from skystar and NSI. I don't mind paying the price but
would
liked to have known about a new hub design before I lost one.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to
address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for
the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on
this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An
AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service
bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my
prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months
before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and
the two months has passed.
On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to
replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted
a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed
to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail.
They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
"shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
12/17/2004 09:10 PM
Please respond to kitfox-list
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Bob,
yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else.
hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could
ask
and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and
being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done.
U N frigging belivable. !!
BUt hey looks l like they Waking up
Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company
did
squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :)
----- Original Message -----
Shorty
From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" <bobpa12@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
<bobpa12@direcway.com>
>
> Shorty,
> Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in
the
> future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer
they
> could not refuse.
>
> Bob Olson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine ram air intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Check at the bottom of the page Michel. It should
have a place where you expand, or change the dates.
I've got another page to send to you too. We'll see
if I can get that one right.
When I first posted this, I used the web page that had
the article on it, but when you click on it you get
today's news instead. Sorry. That just makes for
extra work.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > Sorry Michel. See my other responce for the
> ram-air article listed on 12/17/2004.
>
> That is the problem, Kurt. The articles are listed
> only from Dec 18 on my browser.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jabber Engine Air Intake |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel and the list,
Last night I also ran into this web page on an Avid
with a Jabber being installed. Thought his ideas
might apply to you KF Jabber guys too. Let's see if I
can post a direct link here tht works.
http://avidflyeraircraft.com/fatavid_engine.php
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Density Altitude Info |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
OK, I know it is winter and all, but I thought I
should post this good info on flying at high DA while
I was looking at it.
http://www.faa.gov/AVR/afs/news/archive/MayJune2004/DensityAlt.htm
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
John , I hope the Companies will respond to you and help you out.
heaven forbid I post anythinhg negative about anyone onthis thread.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
>
> I too was promised a number for a new hub, was told this month. no word
yet.
> mine was an early type hub. I too believe that a company needs to
> communicate
> more than we see from skystar and NSI. I don't mind paying the price but
> would
> liked to have known about a new hub design before I lost one.
>
> John Oakley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty)
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky
> <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to
> address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for
> the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on
> this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An
> AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service
> bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my
> prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months
> before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and
> the two months has passed.
>
> On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to
> replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted
> a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed
> to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail.
> They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees.
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
>
> "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> 12/17/2004 09:10 PM
> Please respond to kitfox-list
>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else.
>
> hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could
> ask
> and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and
> being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done.
>
>
> U N frigging belivable. !!
>
> BUt hey looks l like they Waking up
>
> Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company
> did
> squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :)
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Shorty
>
>
> From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" <bobpa12@direcway.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson
> <bobpa12@direcway.com>
> >
> > Shorty,
> > Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in
> the
> > future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer
> they
> > could not refuse.
> >
> > Bob Olson
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Scott" <scottm@dol.net>
The two primary routes for epoxy (and many other chemicals) exposure are
dermal (skin) and respiratory. Use cheap disposable latex gloves, or skin
barrier cream. A respirator with a charcoal cartridge **should** absorb any
epoxy vapors, but I would check with the particular epoxy manufacturer to be
sure. Respirators are relatively cheap, and they are very cheap when
compared to the cost of your health. I work in the chemical processing
industry and am somewhat familiar with the sensitization process. Most
people develop symptoms after being overly careless, i.e. not taking any
precautions against exposure. Just wearing gloves and having a little bit
of ventilation or using a cheap respirator will improve your protection
immensely.
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>> It is through chemical action in the air because I usually swell up
>> around the eyes.
>
> Which then means: good ventilation ... which is a bit of a challenge in
> winter Norway! :-(
> Thanks anyway, Don, I'll try to be careful.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
---
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Hoisington" <bruceh@bendbroadband.com>
To those of you that praise SS so much. You should place an order for another
kit, pay in full up front and then we will see what you have to say about SS's
integrity, honesty and communications in a couple of years when you still don't
have your parts.
Bruce - 2 1/2 years & still waiting for engine
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxpilot" <kitfoxpilot@comcast.net>
In January I will be at two years. All I have left is my engine mount and
exhaust. I'm glad I didn't order the engine when I bought my kit. I think I
will play it safe with the engine and order it from a Rotax dealer. Although
it looks like I may have to fab my own engine mount and exhaust system.
And to think, I bought the quick build kit.
Scott Miller
Series 7 Sport
Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hoisington" <bruceh@bendbroadband.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Hoisington"
<bruceh@bendbroadband.com>
>
> To those of you that praise SS so much. You should place an order for
another kit, pay in full up front and then we will see what you have to say
about SS's integrity, honesty and communications in a couple of years when
you still don't have your parts.
>
> Bruce - 2 1/2 years & still waiting for engine
>
>
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