---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/20/04: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:04 AM - Re: Skystar (shortnaked) 2. 05:00 AM - Sight glass tubing, fuel (Keith Downey) 3. 05:15 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (Fox5flyer) 4. 05:37 AM - Flight Simulators (Steve Zakreski) 5. 06:11 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (Gary Algate) 6. 06:34 AM - Contact (Bob Unternaehrer) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (roger augenstein) 8. 06:59 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (shortnaked) 9. 07:14 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (Gary Algate) 10. 07:26 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (Jay & Beverly Carter) 11. 07:37 AM - Re: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop (shortnaked) 12. 08:48 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (Steve Zakreski) 13. 09:03 AM - 503 PART (Gary Algate) 14. 09:22 AM - Re: Sight glass tubing, fuel (jdmcbean) 15. 09:27 AM - sight tubing fuel (LeRoy staley) 16. 10:40 AM - Re: Flight Simulators (Michel Verheughe) 17. 10:49 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (Michel Verheughe) 18. 11:10 AM - Re: Flight Simulators (shortnaked) 19. 11:11 AM - Model KF V Simulator? Re: Flight Simulators (Harris, Robert) 20. 11:37 AM - skystar (customtrans@qwest.net) 21. 11:39 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (kurt schrader) 22. 11:49 AM - Re: Engine ram air intake (kurt schrader) 23. 12:05 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (kitfoxjunky) 24. 12:33 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (shortnaked) 25. 12:38 PM - 582 jetting (Dee Young) 26. 01:09 PM - test (Lowell Fitt) 27. 01:46 PM - Re: Model KF V Simulator? (Michel Verheughe) 28. 01:50 PM - Re: test (shortnaked) 29. 01:54 PM - Re: Engine ram air intake (Michel Verheughe) 30. 02:08 PM - Re: test (roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)) 31. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Model KF V Simulator? (Harris, Robert) 32. 02:19 PM - Re: test (shortnaked) 33. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Model KF V Simulator? (Michel Verheughe) 34. 02:58 PM - (Rex & Jan Shaw) 35. 03:02 PM - Will Planes from v.7 work with v.8? (Harris, Robert) 36. 03:06 PM - Good Service (Harris, Robert) 37. 03:31 PM - Re: test (customtrans@qwest.net) 38. 03:52 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (John Oakley) 39. 03:55 PM - Re: Engine ram air intake (kurt schrader) 40. 04:23 PM - Re: Jabber Engine Air Intake (kurt schrader) 41. 04:30 PM - Re: Density Altitude Info (kurt schrader) 42. 04:32 PM - Re: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) (shortnaked) 43. 08:00 PM - Re: West Epoxy (Mark Scott) 44. 10:31 PM - Skystar (Bruce Hoisington) 45. 10:58 PM - Re: Skystar (kitfoxpilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:07 AM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Lowell, Skystar has changed alot since 1992 so it seems and these issues are the current problems. Previous history will sure help a reputation immensly. But You are telling me that Skystar does not owe an appolgy to guys like Bill that have paid in full last August and got nothing yet in 4 months? I think Skystar should post here their thoughts as it is their product and reputation that is being "chattted" about and of course all the positive talk cannot erase a few dis-appointed Customers. Oh and Lowell you asked who posted something? Well that was me and here is the post. You are welcome. Shorty btw The negativity could easily be corrected By Skystar being better communicators to the customers. I have dealt with them before Lowell and the last time being last year and I finally got a call back weeks after my initial phone calls. So i can Agree that they are slow to responded. But they do make a nice plane !! ======================================================================= Original Message ----- From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tired > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" > > This thread gone to the dogs. > whining about this and that. > > does anyone actually fly ? > > i was out 5 times today. > > Unreal a real pilot that not care about who post and forgets to delete this > or that . > > Shorty likes lazair.com cause it got free movies of ultralights when i > not flying i watch em LOL ==================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > I would like to reply to this thread also. I do feel for those that are > behind the delivery curve, but I can't frankly see how trashing and > criticizing Skystar publicly helps very much. > > It is a fact that SS suffered some severe setbacks in past years including, > but not limited to the hangar accident with the runaway Cessna and 9-11, not > to mention Ed Downs bailout a day before Oshkosh. > > As with Bill, I have been a SS customer since 1992. I paid for my kit up > front before delivery. My delivery date was about 3 months after I placed > the order. Maybe some things have changed. My hope is that full strength > will return to SS sooner rather than later, but unless I want to hurt the > company's public image - and I can't think how that could possibly be to my > best interest, I personally will keep any frustrations with them strictly > between them and me. > > Sometimes this list actually amazes me. For some who have been here a > while, you might remember that at least one company that has supplied > components to many list members was placed off limits to criticism. > Discussion on these components still come up from time to time and > criticism - at times much deserved - is tactfully eliminated from the > discussion, especially if of an opinionated nature. But let the discussion > center around Skystar - let the fun begin. > > Who was it that said: > > "This thread gone to the dogs. > whining about this and that. > > does anyone actually fly ?" > > I am getting really weary of all this. 'Been away for 4 days - didn't miss > the list and miss it even less now. > > Sometimes I wonder how many of the most "Skystar" critical list members have > actually been Skystar customers. > > Maybe a little longer though. > regards, > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chenoweth" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" > > > > I'd like to add some comments to the SkyStar beating that's been going on. > I've been dealing with these people since '93 and continue to deal with them > for the occasional part and advice. I've never had any of the problems > people are complaining about nor have I found them to be un- or non- > communicative. It has been rare in my experience to find a company so > focused on trying to get it right and nearly always succeeding. > > Bill in Maine > > IV-1200 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:58 AM PST US From: "Keith Downey" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" I'm back on the list after a substantial off period. Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc. Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride. About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end "over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two 90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help! Keith in KY Series 6 khd@ekns.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:59 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine ram air intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Kurt, I searched, but no find. Which one on the lists is the article? Darrel > Here is an Aero-news report of an STC for a ram air > intake system on Grumman planes. it gives some idea > of what such a system might do for you if you make one > for your KF. > > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22436a73-87c6-4941-9c88-be92d7fd3824&#d > > Kurt S. > > > __________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:47 AM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough from a game to be useful for IFR? SteveZ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:48 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" Shorty My plane was also supplied with the GSC 3 blade prop and had no issues with the 3:1 C box. The problem only arises with the IVO In-flight adjustable prop due to the moving internal components GaryA Lite2/582 Rex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a KT IV 582 GSC 68 3 blader c boc No PRoblems Idles smooth over 2200 rpm but will idle 1800 with a bit of shake works Excellent 1300 fpm solo min 1000 fpm dual crusie 5800 93 mph Just put on skis today -- test flown sweet !! like landing on cotton :) Shorty <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:17 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Contact --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" If Rolf Unternaehrer is on this list, would you please contact me at email below. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilohcom@c-magic.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:40 AM PST US From: "roger augenstein" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "roger augenstein" Keith, I used brass barb fittings in the tank and polyvinyl clear tubing that is gas resistant. Then a 1/8" copper tube bent at the 90 degree angles in the tubing to hold the correct angles. Hope this helps. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Downey" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" > > I'm back on the list after a substantial off period. > Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc. > Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride. > About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end "over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two 90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help! > > Keith in KY > Series 6 > khd@ekns.net > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:00 AM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Gary, What kind of performance differances do you get with the inflight over the GSC? I find this combination is pretty darn good off wheels or skis but with floats i not sure as I not tried yet. Thx Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" > > Shorty > > My plane was also supplied with the GSC 3 blade prop and had no issues with > the 3:1 C box. The problem only arises with the IVO In-flight adjustable > prop due to the moving internal components > > GaryA > Lite2/582 > Rex, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I got a KT IV 582 GSC 68 3 blader c boc No PRoblems > Idles smooth over 2200 rpm but will idle 1800 with a bit of shake > works Excellent 1300 fpm solo min 1000 fpm dual > crusie 5800 93 mph > > Just put on skis today -- test flown sweet !! like landing on cotton :) > > Shorty > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:39 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" The performance increase was pretty dramatic as I gained about 150ft/min climb and about 3 Ltr/Hr in cruise by lowering rpm. I think the biggest advantage is not having to continually play with prop pitch as the weather changes - I just select what is optimum for flying conditions at the time GaryA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary, What kind of performance differances do you get with the inflight over the GSC? I find this combination is pretty darn good off wheels or skis but with floats i not sure as I not tried yet. Thx Shorty <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:04 AM PST US From: "Jay & Beverly Carter" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" Keith, I never did get a satisfactory bend in the sight tubes. Don't know why the jig allowed for over bending one side. You might try pulling a length of rope in the tube before bending. I called Skystar to order more tube and was told they are changing the sight tube assembly. What they told me and what I did was this. Installed hose barbs in place of the plastic fittings at the tank. Bent "square u" shapes to align with the hose barbs out of 1/8" SS welding rod. Slid clear fuel proof tubing over the rod. When finished looks like the rigid tubing. Jay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Downey" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" > > I'm back on the list after a substantial off period. > Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc. > Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride. > About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end "over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two 90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help! > > Keith in KY > Series 6 > khd@ekns.net > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:40 AM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Gary , Thanks for that info, I like the looks GSC inflight adjustable as it all mechanincal and not electric. But I have yet to see one on a Kitfox yet. And would like to see some numbers as how they work. Any thoughts ? Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 3 to 1 ratio and 3 blade prop > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" > > The performance increase was pretty dramatic as I gained about 150ft/min > climb and about 3 Ltr/Hr in cruise by lowering rpm. > > I think the biggest advantage is not having to continually play with prop > pitch as the weather changes - I just select what is optimum for flying > conditions at the time > > GaryA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Gary, > > What kind of performance differances do you get with the inflight over the > GSC? > I find this combination is pretty darn good off wheels or skis but with > floats i not sure as I not tried yet. > > > Thx > > Shorty > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:29 AM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Keith I bent mine perfectly...after 6 attempts. Definitely not the simplest thing to do. Once done correctly, it looks great and works great, but some things to keep in mind: 1) Be prepared to order extra tube and try again. 2) Leaks at the fittings are fairly common, and usually show up as a fuel drip at the fuel drain fitting. (It leaks back inside the wing and is difficult to detect). Be very careful not to score the plastic sight tube when installing the black fitting. 3) The tube will collapse at the black fitting with time causing the leak. Some people insert a piece of copper or aluminium tubing inside the sight glass tube to give it rigidity, I filled the end with epoxy and drilled it out with a 1/32" drill so the epoxy both strengthens the tube and also acts as the restrictor. 4) I have no idea why the acute angle on one side. I made mine 90 degrees both sides. SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay & Beverly Carter Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" Keith, I never did get a satisfactory bend in the sight tubes. Don't know why the jig allowed for over bending one side. You might try pulling a length of rope in the tube before bending. I called Skystar to order more tube and was told they are changing the sight tube assembly. What they told me and what I did was this. Installed hose barbs in place of the plastic fittings at the tank. Bent "square u" shapes to align with the hose barbs out of 1/8" SS welding rod. Slid clear fuel proof tubing over the rod. When finished looks like the rigid tubing. Jay C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Downey" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" > > I'm back on the list after a substantial off period. > Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc. > Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride. > About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end "over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two 90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help! > > Keith in KY > Series 6 > khd@ekns.net > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:38 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: Kitfox-List: 503 PART --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" A friend of mine discovered a cracked engine housing on his 503 Rotax engine. The part is the rear housing where the magneto sensors mount and includes the fan housing as well. If anybody has a housing or beat up 503 that might have this component could they email me or give me a call. It has to be from the aviation 503 with dual magnetos Thanks in advance Gary A 582/Lite2 (705) 716 0710 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:47 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Keith, I offer a kit for the fuel sight tubes and placards.... Give a visit to http://sportplanellc.com/Products.htm about half way down.. Blue Skies John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Keith Downey Subject: Kitfox-List: Sight glass tubing, fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Keith Downey" I'm back on the list after a substantial off period. Been off for usual reasons, money, time, etc. Building a Series 6 / 912ULS / PowerFin ride. About to bend tubes, ruined one, too hot. Will do better on next but need answer to: How come the bending jig has one side at a sharper angle than other? Bend and hold to sharp angle first? If so, won't it hold that end "over 90 degrees" when set up? Looks like finished product should have two 90 degree bends that are exactly 5" center to center. Help! Keith in KY Series 6 khd@ekns.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:56 AM PST US From: LeRoy staley Subject: Kitfox-List: sight tubing fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley Can anyone tell me the size of the tubing for this and couldnt you go to o'reilly's and get some auto fuel tubing. Also on the barb fittings on the tank dont you have to have a clamp of some kind to make sure they dont loosen up? I know after time they do cloud up and make it difficult to read. LeRoy __________________________________ Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:52 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Steve Zakreski wrote: > Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR > training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough > from a game to be useful for IFR? Hello Steve, my Calgary friend! For the quality and the availability of worldwide scenery; for the quality and degree of details of great planes, choose Microsoft Flight Simulator. For a truer flight model feeling and customizing of aircraft, choose X-Plane. IFR? Like, artificial horizon, turn coordinator, gyro compass, VOR, NDB, DME, ILS? You'll find that in all the simulators, even ten years old ones. IFR (especially in glass cockpit) is the simplest to simulate. VFR by the seat of your pants, is the hardest. If I was you, I would choose X-Plane. This is why: To train IFR, you need to train for procedures. I have a great experience in maritime simulation and I know that if you want a marine engineer to switch the right valve when an alarm is heard in the engine control room, he must be able to do it in the dark, half asleep. Therefore accurate engine room mock-ups with the exact arm length to the valve are needed. Likewise, on your simulator, you would like to have your panel instruments exactly as they are in real life. aircraft. Customize yours and train your eyes to scan the instruments in the right pattern, as I have done with my virtual Kitfox for two years now. http://www.x-plane.com Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:06 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine ram air intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe kurt schrader wrote: > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22436a73-87c6-4941-9c88-be92d7fd3824&#d Er ... lots of news there, but I can't find anything about ram air, Kurt. Sorry. Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:10 AM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Cannot Comment on X plane but I have wanted to try it and one day prolly will. FS 2002 2004 both decent. You have most controls as in real life. you can shoot ndb ils vor approaches and plates are on gps. you can set your weather to real time or your own specs - fly in 100 feet adn 1/18 mile in snow or rain -set your winds as well. Would not pass up a chance ot test it out tho. both xplane and fs are cheap just ask santa for em :) Shorty Tons of add ons for FS as well ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Steve Zakreski wrote: > > Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR > > training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough > > from a game to be useful for IFR? > > Hello Steve, my Calgary friend! > > For the quality and the availability of worldwide scenery; for the quality and > degree of details of great planes, choose Microsoft Flight Simulator. > For a truer flight model feeling and customizing of aircraft, choose > > IFR? Like, artificial horizon, turn coordinator, gyro compass, VOR, NDB, DME, ILS? > You'll find that in all the simulators, even ten years old ones. IFR > (especially in glass cockpit) is the simplest to simulate. VFR by the seat of > your pants, is the hardest. > > If I was you, I would choose X-Plane. This is why: To train IFR, you need to > train for procedures. I have a great experience in maritime simulation and I > know that if you want a marine engineer to switch the right valve when an alarm > is heard in the engine control room, he must be able to do it in the dark, half > asleep. Therefore accurate engine room mock-ups with the exact arm length to > the valve are needed. > Likewise, on your simulator, you would like to have your panel instruments > exactly as they are in real life. > aircraft. Customize yours and train your eyes to scan the instruments in the > right pattern, as I have done with my virtual Kitfox for two years now. > > http://www.x-plane.com > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:35 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Model KF V Simulator? RE: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Michel, I saw your plane on X-plane and really like it. Thanks for making it. I have MSN flight simulator but I'm going to buy X-plane just so I can fly your plane. I have a model II similar to yours and just bought a model V. Do you know of any Model V's I can fly on X-plane? Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Simulators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Steve Zakreski wrote: > Anybody out there keeping track of which flight simulator is best for IFR > training? Has the newest Microsoft Flight Simulator transitioned enough > from a game to be useful for IFR? Hello Steve, my Calgary friend! For the quality and the availability of worldwide scenery; for the quality and degree of details of great planes, choose Microsoft Flight Simulator. For a truer flight model feeling and customizing of aircraft, choose IFR? Like, artificial horizon, turn coordinator, gyro compass, VOR, NDB, DME, ILS? You'll find that in all the simulators, even ten years old ones. IFR (especially in glass cockpit) is the simplest to simulate. VFR by the seat of your pants, is the hardest. If I was you, I would choose X-Plane. This is why: To train IFR, you need to train for procedures. I have a great experience in maritime simulation and I know that if you want a marine engineer to switch the right valve when an alarm is heard in the engine control room, he must be able to do it in the dark, half asleep. Therefore accurate engine room mock-ups with the exact arm length to the valve are needed. Likewise, on your simulator, you would like to have your panel instruments exactly as they are in real life. aircraft. Customize yours and train your eyes to scan the instruments in the right pattern, as I have done with my virtual Kitfox for two years now. http://www.x-plane.com Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:39 AM PST US From: customtrans@qwest.net Subject: Kitfox-List: skystar --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net I want to jump in on this one since I have been dealing with skystar pretty deep here in the last couple months. I have to say they have been very good, no complaints. I've had to deal with them on parts for the right wing, horizontal and selected tubing to get my kitfox4 1200 flying again. I recently recieved the last of my order and that was made last week. The longest wait was for the hysol, about 4weeks, backorder. The wing ribs and spars were sent, I felt, rather quick, I think within 2 weeks, plus a tank and strut along with a bunch of hardware(nuts, bolts and rivets). I asked for supliments for the wings, covering, tanks and other things and were emailed to me, usually within minutes. I'm sure the older model kitfox can cause problems because they are old news, with that, you would have to wait for them to fabricate the part. Other problems would have to be on a case by case I presume. Maybe I'm just being lucky, for once, a few months ago I wasn't, so now I am. About a year ago I was looking into building an Europa glider, reason for the glider is I had troubles with the medical. I had money on the project (about 1500) but wouldn't sign any paperwork. Good thing because I went down to Florida for a composite class and found that many of the Europa gliders were not getting finalized properly, the faa wouldn't approve the glider as a power glider. Just an europa, which meant that you had to have a medical to fly it. So, I pulled out. Later, about two months, I learned that the group in the states went chapter 11, not 7, but 11 and that made me feel real good that I bailed on the project. I did get my money back when I bailed so I felt good that I was cautious enough to not sign papers. Spending money on the trip to florida and taking the composite class, I felt that was worth it so nothing lost there either. I own my own business and on occation I have problems with my suppliers. I will say the phrase, our policy is... does come up and I find this is just an excuse to offset a problem and is the eisest way to get out of such. thanks for reading. Kitfox rebuilder model 4 steve allbee ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:05 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine ram air intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Well, I was trying to get you to the article itself, but Aero-News won't let it happen. Look under 12/17/2004 for "RAM_AIR STC Now Available For Grumman AA-5.....". It has the article and some pics as well as analysis of the performance. Michel was considering something like this for his new engine. The system allows you to select unfiltered ram air in flight. The increase (at Grumman speeds) is about 1/2" mercury, or equal to flying 750' lower in altitude for the engine. It is up to you all to determine if this is enough for the effort on a KF. I just thought you would like to see the results for comparison. Kurt S. --- Fox5flyer wrote: > Kurt, I searched, but no find. Which one on the > lists is the article? > Darrel > > > Here is an Aero-news report of an STC for a ram > air > > intake system on Grumman planes. it gives some > idea > > of what such a system might do for you if you make > one > > for your KF. > > > > > http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22436a73-87c6-4941-9c88-be92d7fd3824&#d > > > > Kurt S. __________________________________ Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:25 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine ram air intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Opps, Sorry Michel. See my other responce for the ram-air article listed on 12/17/2004. Kurt S. --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > Er ... lots of news there, but I can't find anything > about ram air, Kurt. Sorry. > > Michel > > do not archive __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:47 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) 03:04:51 PM, Serialize complete at 12/20/2004 03:04:51 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and the two months has passed. On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail. They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox "shortnaked" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 12/17/2004 09:10 PM Please respond to kitfox-list To: cc: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Bob, yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else. hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could ask and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done. U N frigging belivable. !! BUt hey looks l like they Waking up Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company did squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :) ----- Original Message ----- Shorty From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson > > Shorty, > Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in the > future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer they > could not refuse. > > Bob Olson > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:52 PM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Gary, Whoa !! So sorry to hear I thought that the prop matter was already put to bed. Skystar good to hear the postive and negative experiences of late. Skystar will prolly feel ike they owe it to post on this list as I am sure it will help clear up any concerns any have or have had. NSI shame on you !! get Gary's prop Fixed and any others that have been deemed " UNFIT " Shorty :) always on patrol LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxjunky" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to > address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for > the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on > this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An > AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service > bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my > prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months > before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and > the two months has passed. > > On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to > replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted > a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed > to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail. > They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees. > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > > "shortnaked" > Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > 12/17/2004 09:10 PM > Please respond to kitfox-list > > To: > cc: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" > > Bob, > > yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else. > > hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could > ask > and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and > being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done. > > > U N frigging belivable. !! > > BUt hey looks l like they Waking up > > Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company > did > squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :) > ----- Original Message ----- > > Shorty > > > From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson > > > > > Shorty, > > Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in > the > > future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer > they > > could not refuse. > > > > Bob Olson > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:27 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 jetting --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" I have a friend who flies out of 5,000' airstrip. Best information I have found in Archive on cold weather flying is 170 main and clip cented on the mix pin. He is now running 210 main and at the bottom of the pin. I do not know anything about the 582 my self but know you 582 drivers can help out on this. Please tell me what is working best for you. Thanks Dee Young Model II N345DY KFM 112 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:10 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" test ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:37 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Harris, Robert" wrote: > Michel, I saw your plane on X-plane and really like it. Thanks for making > it. I have MSN flight simulator but I'm going to buy X-plane just so I can > fly your plane. Thank you very much, Robert. Let me know which simulator you prefer. I have many friends worldwide flying both and their opinions vary. I think if you like practice SID and STARS on an airliner, MS FS is the best. They also have an extraordinary virtual ATC service worldwide. Closer to the real thing, you can't get ... unless you are John Travolta, of course! :-) But for flying an ultralight VFR, X-Plane has a more lively flight model. things and learn about aero-dynamics. However, to really appreciate it, you should have pedals. I can recommend CH Products ProPedals that have toe-brakes, just like my real Kitfox. Keeping the virtual plane from going in a ground loop is pretty much like the real thing. Another thing that I find necessary for good VFR training is a 3D cockpit where you can "turn your head." This is now possible in X-Plane version 8. I can modestly add that this new feature is part of my contribution. X-Plane is developed by only one person but he has many "friends" and I occasionally help him with things like the water model, sun and moon position, etc. > I have a model II similar to yours and just bought a model > V. Do you know of any Model V's I can fly on X-plane? No, I don't know, Robert. But one thing you have to be careful with this simulator, is that you'll find many thousands plane models on x-plane.org. Those are people like me who link their work on that registry. But ... it can be anything. If the virtual plane doesn't fly properly, don't blame the simulator, chances are that the designer did a bad job. But if you want, we can work together to make a model 5. Building your plane, in real-life or virtually, is the best way to know her. You can .e.g start with my model 3 and modify it to fit the model 5 characteristics. But it is not easy to get the proper data to build e.g. the airfoils. Cheers, Michel do not archive. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:20 PM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" test back at you LOL Merry Christmas Lowell Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Kitfox-List: test > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > test > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:26 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine ram air intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe kurt schrader wrote: > Sorry Michel. See my other responce for the ram-air > article listed on 12/17/2004. That is the problem, Kurt. The articles are listed only from Dec 18 on my browser. Looks like all articles previous to the 18th have been asked to take a long walk on a short pier. :-( Well, the year of the lemmings, you know! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:45 PM PST US From: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick) Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick) Working with an ap friend and hearing tbo smoh ttso I had to ask what he meant by pos. He informed me that it was what a part became after reaching tbo. Now in confusion I must ask what LOL stands for. I tried lot's of luck, loss of life, and other equally ignorant possibilities so please spell it out for me just once. Ron ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:26 PM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Thanks Michel, I'm going to order version 8 as soon as the graphics are done in January. By the way I have the CH ProPedals. I can hardly wait to fly your plane. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Harris, Robert" wrote: > Michel, I saw your plane on X-plane and really like it. Thanks for making > it. I have MSN flight simulator but I'm going to buy X-plane just so I can > fly your plane. Thank you very much, Robert. Let me know which simulator you prefer. I have many friends worldwide flying both and their opinions vary. I think if you like practice SID and STARS on an airliner, MS FS is the best. They also have an extraordinary virtual ATC service worldwide. Closer to the real thing, you can't get ... unless you are John Travolta, of course! :-) But for flying an ultralight VFR, X-Plane has a more lively flight model. things and learn about aero-dynamics. However, to really appreciate it, you should have pedals. I can recommend CH Products ProPedals that have toe-brakes, just like my real Kitfox. Keeping the virtual plane from going in a ground loop is pretty much like the real thing. Another thing that I find necessary for good VFR training is a 3D cockpit where you can "turn your head." This is now possible in X-Plane version 8. I can modestly add that this new feature is part of my contribution. X-Plane is developed by only one person but he has many "friends" and I occasionally help him with things like the water model, sun and moon position, etc. > I have a model II similar to yours and just bought a model > V. Do you know of any Model V's I can fly on X-plane? No, I don't know, Robert. But one thing you have to be careful with this simulator, is that you'll find many thousands plane models on x-plane.org. Those are people like me who link their work on that registry. But ... it can be anything. If the virtual plane doesn't fly properly, don't blame the simulator, chances are that the designer did a bad job. But if you want, we can work together to make a model 5. Building your plane, in real-life or virtually, is the best way to know her. You can .e.g start with my model 3 and modify it to fit the model 5 characteristics. But it is not easy to get the proper data to build e.g. the airfoils. Cheers, Michel do not archive. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:41 PM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" lol== LAUGH OF lOUD pos piece of sh&T BWDIK bUT WHOAT DO I KNOW lmao LAUGH MY ASS OFF FREE MOVIES http://www.lazair.com/movies/ LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Schick" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick) > > > Working with an ap friend and hearing tbo smoh ttso I had to ask what > he meant by pos. He informed me that it was what a part became after > reaching tbo. Now in confusion I must ask what LOL stands for. I tried > lot's of luck, loss of life, and other equally ignorant possibilities so > please spell it out for me just once. Ron > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:10 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Harris, Robert" wrote: > I'm going to order version 8 as soon as the graphics are done in January. By > the way I have the CH ProPedals. I can hardly wait to fly your plane. My Kitfox for X-Plane v.8 is still in the making, Robert. As you probably know, I am installing a Jabiru in my Kitfox (today, I installed the throttle and choke). And, in parallel, I do also the virtual model. In fact, I used X-Plane to see how my new cowling will look like. By doing this, I also learn my new plane: e.g. I get now used to push on the right pedal when I take off. A simple reflex yet something you have to learn, going from a CCW to a CW prop engine. Someone once said that the best flight simulator is a chair and a broomstick between your legs. Picture yourself in the plane, do what you need to do in you head ... do it again and again and you'll learn from it. Probably more than one hour in a high-end multi-million dollars simulator. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:46 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" I too have suffered the "We'll Get it to you right away" Skystar Blues I have a model 3 I wanted to put a 912 in , the previous owner had installed a 582.The motor mount came with the oil tank flanges welded in backwards. I sent them pictures and they said it would be 4 months befor they could send another, but I could'nt return it because I Painted it! How Stupid is that ? I did'nt weld it wrong .but they said thats the policy they have.I'm lucky in the fact that I have a TIG welder and Know how to use it. It took me about 4 hours to make the tank brackets and weld them in correctly That was the first experience with them . I ordered a complete right wing minus the aileron it took alot of cursing and alot of phone calls and 6 months to get that,but the real kicker was that I found out when one of the employees let it slip that for Model 1,2,and3 Skystar has not manufactured any new parts . Wing ribs and attachments are left over from when Denney owned it if you want a 912 mount for a Model 3 they send you one from the model 4 in other words they Had All The Parts !!!!!!!!! and still took me 6 months to get them!!!!!!! I'm not sure who he was but I do know that another gentelman that is or was a member of this group had a class action suit against Skystar for his Vixen that he had been waiting 3 or 4 years for parts so if I were you I would GET A LAWYER and send a Letter of Intent,file with the better Buss., The ICC and if your check was sent through the mail , file fraud with the US Postal service I know all you guys out there think this is extreme but actions speak louder than words if skystar see's you mean business maybe they"ll get off their Ass and give you what you Pay'd for if not you already have the "Ball" rolling. I bought a Challenger From Quad city Aircraft about 6 Years ago. I ordered it in May and they required a 50% deposit which I sent.I got a call 3 days later from the factory with the production date and the shipping date.The kit arrived the 1st week of july just like they said it would with a complete inventory. Get a Lawyer to send them a letter and as a precaution file with the BBB the ICC and the US PS Good Luck David Cecil Merry Christmas Everyone Well yes David I do think this is all a bit overboard. I think that one just quietly wants to safe gaurd there interests not go straight in both guns blazing. Sure I know if you are on the wrong end of the stick it's easy to go overboard but that is not necessarilly the best solution. Skystar are not out to grab suckers and have a big fight, they just use ones money more than is right and like all of us get behind a bit. I do suspect they go a bit further here and possibly quote a date they know they won't meet. These two things are all we need to address at the time of placing an order. If we don't do that then we are partly to blame too ! I am glad to see some have had only good experiences with Skystar. I think a bit of gentle peruasion in the rifght direction is a good thing but to go overboard might lead to Skystars demise and I doubt we want that , do we ? Rex Shaw Australia. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:57 PM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Will Planes from v.7 work with v.8? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Michel, Will your existing X-plane Kitfox work with v.8? If not, then I'll just order v.7 Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model KF V Simulator? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Harris, Robert" wrote: > I'm going to order version 8 as soon as the graphics are done in January. By > the way I have the CH ProPedals. I can hardly wait to fly your plane. My Kitfox for X-Plane v.8 is still in the making, Robert. As you probably know, I am installing a Jabiru in my Kitfox (today, I installed the throttle and choke). And, in parallel, I do also the virtual model. In fact, I used to see how my new cowling will look like. By doing this, I also learn my new plane: e.g. I get now used to push on the right pedal when I take off. A simple reflex yet something you have to learn, going from a CCW to a CW prop engine. Someone once said that the best flight simulator is a chair and a broomstick between your legs. Picture yourself in the plane, do what you need to do in you head ... do it again and again and you'll learn from it. Probably more than one hour in a high-end multi-million dollars simulator. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:58 PM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Good Service --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" I've always had great service also. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Bill Good report and Very Glad to hear that positive comments about Skystar :) Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" > > I'd like to add some comments to the SkyStar beating that's been going on. I've been dealing with these people since '93 and continue to deal with them for the occasional part and advice. I've never had any of the problems people are complaining about nor have I found them to be un- or non- communicative. It has been rare in my experience to find a company so focused on trying to get it right and nearly always succeeding. > Bill in Maine > IV-1200 > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:42 PM PST US From: customtrans@qwest.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net laugh out loud steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Schick Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick) Working with an ap friend and hearing tbo smoh ttso I had to ask what he meant by pos. He informed me that it was what a part became after reaching tbo. Now in confusion I must ask what LOL stands for. I tried lot's of luck, loss of life, and other equally ignorant possibilities so please spell it out for me just once. Ron ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:52 PM PST US From: "John Oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" I too was promised a number for a new hub, was told this month. no word yet. mine was an early type hub. I too believe that a company needs to communicate more than we see from skystar and NSI. I don't mind paying the price but would liked to have known about a new hub design before I lost one. John Oakley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and the two months has passed. On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail. They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox "shortnaked" Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 12/17/2004 09:10 PM Please respond to kitfox-list To: cc: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" Bob, yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else. hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could ask and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done. U N frigging belivable. !! BUt hey looks l like they Waking up Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company did squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :) ----- Original Message ----- Shorty From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson > > Shorty, > Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in the > future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer they > could not refuse. > > Bob Olson > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:21 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine ram air intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Check at the bottom of the page Michel. It should have a place where you expand, or change the dates. I've got another page to send to you too. We'll see if I can get that one right. When I first posted this, I used the web page that had the article on it, but when you click on it you get today's news instead. Sorry. That just makes for extra work. Kurt S. --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > kurt schrader wrote: > > Sorry Michel. See my other responce for the > ram-air article listed on 12/17/2004. > > That is the problem, Kurt. The articles are listed > only from Dec 18 on my browser. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive __________________________________ Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:52 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabber Engine Air Intake --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Michel and the list, Last night I also ran into this web page on an Avid with a Jabber being installed. Thought his ideas might apply to you KF Jabber guys too. Let's see if I can post a direct link here tht works. http://avidflyeraircraft.com/fatavid_engine.php Kurt S. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:18 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Density Altitude Info --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader OK, I know it is winter and all, but I thought I should post this good info on flying at high DA while I was looking at it. http://www.faa.gov/AVR/afs/news/archive/MayJune2004/DensityAlt.htm Kurt S. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:20 PM PST US From: "shortnaked" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" John , I hope the Companies will respond to you and help you out. heaven forbid I post anythinhg negative about anyone onthis thread. Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" > > I too was promised a number for a new hub, was told this month. no word yet. > mine was an early type hub. I too believe that a company needs to > communicate > more than we see from skystar and NSI. I don't mind paying the price but > would > liked to have known about a new hub design before I lost one. > > John Oakley > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update (4 Shorty) > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky > > > Shorty. You made the comment below that NSI did not do anything to > address my issue (blade came off NSI hub in flight..there was a fix for > the cuff, but they did not tell anyone) until we started making noise on > this list. That is not entirely accurate. NSI has still done nothing. An > AD was released, but it was not released by NSI. In fact, the service > bulleting link on their site is still dead. NSI promised to replace my > prop, but they have not acted on that yet either. I was quoted two months > before a modified part was available, but I have heard nothing since, and > the two months has passed. > > On the topic of Skystar, I ordered a mount for my 912S just recently to > replace the one that was trashed when the blade came off. Skystar quoted > a delivery date, and actually beat it. My only problem is that they failed > to follow the delivery instructions. I asked it be shipped by US Mail. > They shipped it UPs, and I was hit with more than $ 200 in brokerage fees. > > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox > > > "shortnaked" > Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > 12/17/2004 09:10 PM > Please respond to kitfox-list > > To: > cc: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" > > Bob, > > yah look up bubba at 1-800-DELIVER-NOW or else. > > hard to believe in thsi day and age a so called reputabel company could > ask > and take full payment with out having the product IN HAND - ON HAND and > being CRATED as the MONEY wire is being done. > > > U N frigging belivable. !! > > BUt hey looks l like they Waking up > > Same story with Gary Walsh that had the NSI prop issue and the company > did > squat till the felt the heat of the coals under their toes lol :) > ----- Original Message ----- > > Shorty > > > From: "Bob & Margaret Olson" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox order update > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bob & Margaret Olson > > > > > Shorty, > > Do you have Bubba's phone number? If the delivery date is too far in > the > > future, I may have to contact him! Maybe he could make them an offer > they > > could not refuse. > > > > Bob Olson > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:33 PM PST US From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Scott" The two primary routes for epoxy (and many other chemicals) exposure are dermal (skin) and respiratory. Use cheap disposable latex gloves, or skin barrier cream. A respirator with a charcoal cartridge **should** absorb any epoxy vapors, but I would check with the particular epoxy manufacturer to be sure. Respirators are relatively cheap, and they are very cheap when compared to the cost of your health. I work in the chemical processing industry and am somewhat familiar with the sensitization process. Most people develop symptoms after being overly careless, i.e. not taking any precautions against exposure. Just wearing gloves and having a little bit of ventilation or using a cheap respirator will improve your protection immensely. Mark Scott Elkton, MD USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: West Epoxy > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com >> It is through chemical action in the air because I usually swell up >> around the eyes. > > Which then means: good ventilation ... which is a bit of a challenge in > winter Norway! :-( > Thanks anyway, Don, I'll try to be careful. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive --- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:30 PM PST US From: "Bruce Hoisington" Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Hoisington" To those of you that praise SS so much. You should place an order for another kit, pay in full up front and then we will see what you have to say about SS's integrity, honesty and communications in a couple of years when you still don't have your parts. Bruce - 2 1/2 years & still waiting for engine ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:27 PM PST US From: "kitfoxpilot" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxpilot" In January I will be at two years. All I have left is my engine mount and exhaust. I'm glad I didn't order the engine when I bought my kit. I think I will play it safe with the engine and order it from a Rotax dealer. Although it looks like I may have to fab my own engine mount and exhaust system. And to think, I bought the quick build kit. Scott Miller Series 7 Sport Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Hoisington" Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Hoisington" > > To those of you that praise SS so much. You should place an order for another kit, pay in full up front and then we will see what you have to say about SS's integrity, honesty and communications in a couple of years when you still don't have your parts. > > Bruce - 2 1/2 years & still waiting for engine > >