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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 05:06 AM - throttle cables (Fox5flyer)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: throttle (Michel Verheughe)
4. 09:53 AM - Re: throttle cables (off topic) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 09:54 AM - Re: throttle (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 10:46 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle (kurt schrader)
7. 12:07 PM - Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) (Michael Gibbs)
8. 12:23 PM - Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) (kurt schrader)
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) (Don Pearsall)
10. 02:03 PM - Re: throttle cables (Glenn Horne)
11. 02:04 PM - Re: throttle (Glenn Horne)
12. 02:05 PM - Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) (Herbert R Gottelt)
14. 02:09 PM - Re: throttle (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
15. 02:44 PM - Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle (Jerry Liles)
16. 03:32 PM - Re: throttle (Michel Verheughe)
17. 03:39 PM - Re: Status Update (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/24/04 7:51:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com
writes:
<<
Thanks again Don. This is interesting. Since the spring is probably easy to
attach I'll wait until I'm operational to try it. Otherwise it sounds like
I'll end up with much too large of a spring.
>>
Guy,
The 582/Bing 54 carb slides will "fail shut" in case of a cable break. I
often considered some fail safe method in case this were to happen but never
got around to it. Consider what can break? My biggest concern was the "bug
nut" coming loose and allowing the throttle cluster to slam shut. This would
not be a good thing in flight. I guess the other thing is the throttle wire
breaking. Not too likely. To override either of these two things, you could
attach a small cable to the cluster which would allow you to pull (emergency
only) and open the carbs. On the other hand, I think what is more likely to fail
is one of the cables going to the carbs themselves. If one of those breaks,
a bypass cable to the cluster would do no good.
I think one weak spot might be the ball on the end of the carb cable
(under the slide). For this, I made sure that when I hit full throttle, the
vernier would bottom out at the instrument panel "just" before the throttle slide
hit the top of the carb. This put the shock at the vernier rather than on the
ball of the cable.
Just my thought
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My model II was a bit of a problem in that my size 10s would occasionally
cause the cable end to pop out of the seat. I solved the problem by doing
two things. First I safetied the cables into the bell crank so nothing
could cause them to pop out. Second I always kept a set of moose hide
slippers in the airplane and that's what I flew with. Better feel of the
pedals and they took up less room. It's gotta be moose hide though. Pig
skin, cow or deer hide just won't do. :-) My S5 is no problem. Lots of
room.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Deke
0f and calm in NE Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electrical and throttle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> Yep. I've got 10 1/2 and I have a little problem. However I do like the
> idea of guarding the cables. Maybe I'll put a permanent guard around them.
> Thanks Don. Have a very merry Christmas!
>
> At 02:53 PM 12/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Guy,
> > I routed my cables where they naturally wanted to go and yes, my toe
> >rubbed the cables. On my first taxi, I actually pushed one of the cables
> >out of
> >the cluster with my right toe. To fix the situation, I fabricated a 90
> >degree
> >toe guard that mounted on top of the right pedal. This will keep my toe
from
> >pushing up too high and contacting the cables. BTW, I only wear a size 7
1/2
> >or 8 shoe. I bet people with size 12 have a real problem.
> >
> >Merry Christmas to all
> >Don Smythe
> >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Guy Buchanan wrote:
> I've got three cables so I guess I'll have 50%
> more resistance
That's interesting, Guy. The crankbell and retaining fitting has three slots
for three cables. On my plane, only two, for the two carb throttle wires, were
used. What is the third one for then?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: throttle cables (off topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/25/04 5:07:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes:
<< Merry Christmas everybody.
Deke
0f and calm in NE Michigan >>
Deke???
I see it's a bit cold up your way??
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Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/25/04 6:18:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
<< That's interesting, Guy. The crankbell and retaining fitting has three
slots
for three cables. On my plane, only two, for the two carb throttle wires,
were
used. What is the third one for then?
Cheers,
Michel
>>
Oil Injection cable
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Merry Christmas to all,
Thank you Don for always thinking of safety and of
others. You are a good example of the people here on
this list who make the list work and our lives better.
As for throttle cables, yes they can break and the
ball end is one place that does, in my experience.
I flew C-130's in the Marines. Our throttle cables
ran in a loop out to the engine and back to the
throttle. When a throttle cable would break, there
were tensioner springs that pulled the remaining cable
the other way. You could get full throttle at the
engine and closed throttle in the cockpit, which was
bad enough. But if the other cable broke, you could
get full reverse at the engine and suddenly be a 4
engine frisby. Never good.
The KitFox gives us a better chance of survival.
I know that whenever I write of the large planes I fly
and where I go, some may feel badly and wonder why any
of us 767, U-2, jet jocks, or test pilot types fly
KitFox's, and why we are on this list. My best answer
is that it is like asking your city's mayor why he has
a wife.... It is for love.
Kurt S. KitFox pilot, proud and thankful of it!
--- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
..........
> Guy,
> The 582/Bing 54 carb slides will "fail shut" in
> case of a cable break. I often considered some fail
> safe method in case this were to happen ........
>
> Just my thought
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Michel sez:
>Merry Christmas and get well soon...
Thanks Michel! I thought I'd take the opportunity to share with the
list what I got for Christmas.
Last Tuesday, during a short, out-patient operation, my doctor
removed the external fixators that had been supporting my broken legs
since the evening of the accident. They put tibia fracture braces on
both legs, which are snug-fitting, molded plastic pieces that fit
something like a cast. They allow more mobility and are removable.
The Christmas present is that last night, for the first time since
the accident, I was able to sleep on my side! Yea! :-)
The doctors expected that my left leg was not setting up yet, but
during the surgery they discovered that not only was it set, but it
was quite solid. They are now thinking that I may not need a planned
surgery in January to insert rods and plates afterall!
Happy holidays to all.
Mike G.
N728KF
Still butt-bound, but looking forward to aviating again!
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| Subject: | Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
That is such good news Mike! Merry Christmas to you.
You must be doing something right. I hope you have
the best of days.
Please take care,
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Mike,
Thank you for updating us on your healing status! I am glad to hear your leg
bone is set more than you expected, I bet that is a nice Christmas present
for you. By this time next year, you will be jogging from your house to the
airport, right?
Also, what is the status of the crashed 'fox? Did you save it for parts,
sell it, what?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
Subject: Kitfox-List: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Michel sez:
>Merry Christmas and get well soon...
Thanks Michel! I thought I'd take the opportunity to share with the
list what I got for Christmas.
Last Tuesday, during a short, out-patient operation, my doctor
removed the external fixators that had been supporting my broken legs
since the evening of the accident. They put tibia fracture braces on
both legs, which are snug-fitting, molded plastic pieces that fit
something like a cast. They allow more mobility and are removable.
The Christmas present is that last night, for the first time since
the accident, I was able to sleep on my side! Yea! :-)
The doctors expected that my left leg was not setting up yet, but
during the surgery they discovered that not only was it set, but it
was quite solid. They are now thinking that I may not need a planned
surgery in January to insert rods and plates afterall!
Happy holidays to all.
Mike G.
N728KF
Still butt-bound, but looking forward to aviating again!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
I think my son needs a pair of those moose hides slippers. His feet are
kinder
big. What will it take to get a pair.
Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: throttle cables
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My model II was a bit of a problem in that my size 10s would occasionally
cause the cable end to pop out of the seat. I solved the problem by doing
two things. First I safetied the cables into the bell crank so nothing
could cause them to pop out. Second I always kept a set of moose hide
slippers in the airplane and that's what I flew with. Better feel of the
pedals and they took up less room. It's gotta be moose hide though. Pig
skin, cow or deer hide just won't do. :-) My S5 is no problem. Lots of
room.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Deke
0f and calm in NE Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electrical and throttle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> Yep. I've got 10 1/2 and I have a little problem. However I do like the
> idea of guarding the cables. Maybe I'll put a permanent guard around them.
> Thanks Don. Have a very merry Christmas!
>
> At 02:53 PM 12/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Guy,
> > I routed my cables where they naturally wanted to go and yes, my toe
> >rubbed the cables. On my first taxi, I actually pushed one of the cables
> >out of
> >the cluster with my right toe. To fix the situation, I fabricated a 90
> >degree
> >toe guard that mounted on top of the right pedal. This will keep my toe
from
> >pushing up too high and contacting the cables. BTW, I only wear a size 7
1/2
> >or 8 shoe. I bet people with size 12 have a real problem.
> >
> >Merry Christmas to all
> >Don Smythe
> >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
I think the choke Don.
Will look tomorrow.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/25/04 6:18:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
michel@online.no writes:
<< That's interesting, Guy. The crankbell and retaining fitting has three
slots
for three cables. On my plane, only two, for the two carb throttle wires,
were
used. What is the third one for then?
Cheers,
Michel
>>
Oil Injection cable
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/25/04 12:08:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MichaelGibbs@cox.net writes:
<< was quite solid. They are now thinking that I may not need a planned
surgery in January to insert rods and plates afterall!
Happy holidays to all.
Mike G. >>
Great news Mike. Keep up the good work
Merry Christmas to you and the family.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Status Update (was: Off-topic: Browsers) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
Congratulations on your faster recovery!
And a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Herb Gottelt, M4-1200, 912UL
Mt. Prospect, IL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
Michel sez:
>Merry Christmas and get well soon...
Thanks Michel! I thought I'd take the opportunity to share with the
list what I got for Christmas.
Last Tuesday, during a short, out-patient operation, my doctor
removed the external fixators that had been supporting my broken legs
since the evening of the accident. They put tibia fracture braces on
both legs, which are snug-fitting, molded plastic pieces that fit
something like a cast. They allow more mobility and are removable.
The Christmas present is that last night, for the first time since
the accident, I was able to sleep on my side! Yea! :-)
The doctors expected that my left leg was not setting up yet, but
during the surgery they discovered that not only was it set, but it
was quite solid. They are now thinking that I may not need a planned
surgery in January to insert rods and plates afterall!
Happy holidays to all.
Mike G.
N728KF
Still butt-bound, but looking forward to aviating again!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 12/25/04 2:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
glennflys@rcn.com writes:
<<
I think the choke Don.
Will look tomorrow.
Glenn >>
I think you're wrong old buddy. The third slot is absolutely for the oil
injection. That's what tunes the oil injection system to a specific throttle
setting. The choke is a separate cable next to the throttle.
When you gonna fly anyway?
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I use the vernier type throttle on Tootie Mae. I like it because it
works smoothly and doesn't slip and it can be used to easily make fine
adjustments as needed. For routine use I just grab it with the thumb
depressing the center release and use it just like a friction unit, just
as easily, just as fast with the bonus that once I release the thumb it
never slips and I never have too much or too little friction
adjustment. I really do not understand why you would want to change for
a friction type. My two cents.
Jerry Liles
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>At 02:58 PM 12/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>Guy,
>>On the 582, I prefer the vernier type throttle since the 2 stroke sometimes
>>takes very small inputs and twisting seems to work well for those small
>>inputs.
>> As far as the springs go, the throttle is hard to push when the engine is
>>NOT running. With the engine running, a lot of the push/pull friction goes
>>away. Has something to do with the air rushing through the intake. Don't
>>know if
>>this is what you were referring to in your question.
>>
>>Don Smythe
>>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>>
>>
>
>
>Thanks again Don. This is interesting. Since the spring is probably easy to
>attach I'll wait until I'm operational to try it. Otherwise it sounds like
>I'll end up with much too large of a spring.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> Oil Injection cable
Of course! How stupid can I be? :-) thanks, Don!
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Status Update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> The Christmas present is that last night, for the first time since
> the accident, I was able to sleep on my side! Yea! :-)
Yeah, man! Cool! :-) Isn't if funny, Mike, all these things we take for granted
in life? Once we are depraved from them, we do terribly miss them.
Good to hear you won't need another operation. Without metal in your legs you
won't have that interesting piece of conversation as you pass metal-detector
security at airports, though! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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