Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Sat 01/01/05


Total Messages Posted: 42



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     1. 12:08 AM - model IV wing tanks (Roberto Canino)
     2. 01:02 AM - Re: New Year. (Michel Verheughe)
     3. 01:17 AM - Re: New Year. (Don Pearsall)
     4. 01:25 AM - Re: Electrical and throttle (Michel Verheughe)
     5. 01:28 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (kurt schrader)
     6. 01:50 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (kurt schrader)
     7. 04:58 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Fox5flyer)
     8. 05:25 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
     9. 06:17 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clifford Begnaud)
    10. 06:21 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clifford Begnaud)
    11. 07:01 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Dee Young)
    12. 07:42 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle (Rick)
    13. 08:32 AM - Re: Good article on Stalls / spins (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    14. 08:45 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (customtrans@qwest.net)
    15. 09:21 AM - Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Clem Nichols)
    16. 09:41 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Dcecil3@aol.com)
    17. 10:17 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
    18. 10:19 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
    19. 10:25 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clint Bazzill)
    20. 10:57 AM - Earl's Oil Cooler Bracket (Grant Fluent)
    21. 11:01 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Howard Firm)
    22. 11:12 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (kurt schrader)
    23. 11:51 AM - balancing out the ailerons (customtrans@qwest.net)
    24. 12:04 PM - [Off topic] Character sets. WAS New Year. (Michel Verheughe)
    25. 12:06 PM - Re: Series 7 cowl (Michel Verheughe)
    26. 12:31 PM - Re: balancing out the ailerons (kurt schrader)
    27. 01:17 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    28. 01:19 PM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    29. 01:45 PM - radiator cowl flap air control (Rick)
    30. 01:54 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (kurt schrader)
    31. 02:20 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (kurt schrader)
    32. 02:40 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    33. 02:47 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Ben Baltrusaitis)
    34. 03:01 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
    35. 03:32 PM - MATCO BRAKES? (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
    36. 04:12 PM - KF m4Tailwheel (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
    37. 04:40 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (Fox5flyer)
    38. 06:26 PM - Series 5 empty weights. was: Engine choices/ Read the story (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    39. 08:31 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (DeWayne Clifford)
    40. 09:07 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Michael Gibbs)
    41. 09:49 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (Pete Sigrist)
    42. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:08:50 AM PST US
    From: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
    Subject: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com> I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on: - securing the tanks between ribs - plumbing into the main tank Thanks, B


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    Time: 01:02:52 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: New Year.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Torgeir Mortensen wrote: > Happy New Year to Every one, -see you next year. ... eh! We are next year now! :-) Godt nytt ar, Torgeir! Feliz ano nuevo, Michel G, Jose and other Hispanic friends, and Happy New Year, dear Anglo-Saxon friends! Michel PS: Note that non-English characters are not printing on this list. Maybe someone knows why. Do not archive


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    Time: 01:17:17 AM PST US
    From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
    Subject: New Year.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> Happy 2005 Michel and all the other list members! As far as non-English characters printing on the list, it is because the list can only deliver "plain text" characters, which are the first 128 ASCII characters of the character set for most PCs. That is why you do not see any formatting such as bold, underlining, umlauts, etc on list messages. When the message is received by the list software, the extraneous information is stripped and replaced with just simple characters. The result is a message that can be translated by most PCs and email reader software, but non-English characters are dropped or translated. Sorry! Don Pearsall, list janitor -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Year. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Torgeir Mortensen wrote: > Happy New Year to Every one, -see you next year. ... eh! We are next year now! :-) Godt nytt ar, Torgeir! Feliz ano nuevo, Michel G, Jose and other Hispanic friends, and Happy New Year, dear Anglo-Saxon friends! Michel PS: Note that non-English characters are not printing on this list. Maybe someone knows why. Do not archive


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    Time: 01:25:39 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Electrical and throttle
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Guy Buchanan wrote: >Would you please contact Bob Nucholls (b.nuckolls@cox.net) on the > Aeroelectric List about your noise issue. He's interested in the details. Done! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 01:28:22 AM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Hi Roberto, HA! Timing. I was just thinking about improving my fuel system today. I am not going as far as building new wing tanks and I certainly don't have all the answers, but here are a few considerations. If you do make your own tanks, you have the opportunity to install flush gas caps like Don S. did. Good little drag reducers. You can also install a better vent system that doesn't spill onto your wings and stain them. Your plumbing to the main tank should be all down hill, or you need a lowpoint drain/gascolator, or header tank. I think it has been discovered that you are best off running the lines down behind and under the seats, then forward. Then add a low point collector/drain. You need to control the flow to the main tank with a valve, or seal the main tank and vent it back to a wing tank. Otherwise it will overflow from the gravity feed. Just some points to get you started... Kurt S. S-5 --- Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my > model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty > straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had > any suggestions on: > - securing the tanks between ribs > - plumbing into the main tank > > Thanks, > B


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    Time: 01:50:51 AM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Steve, I am confused. Do you have to replace the entire engine at TBO, or just rebuild it? How much does a 912 rebuild cost? Is it high like a certified engine and that is why you are saying "replace it"? Kurt S. S-5 --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > Now here is another question: What generally goes > bad on these engines when it comes time for rebuild. > Reason why is mine has about 650 hrs. on the > engine and if mainly the rings go bad, than maybe I > should change the rings and call it good. OR, am > I wasting my money doing the upgrade since in > another 650 hrs. I will need another engine anyway? > > steve a __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo


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    Time: 04:58:46 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Roberto, one of the problems using aluminum for Kitfox wing tanks is that the wings flex more than the average airplane which eventually causes the aluminum to stress crack. It doesn't happen to all of them, but it is a problem. My old model II had aluminum tanks and I never had a problem, but the current owner contacted me recently and said that they're starting to leak. My suggestion would be to ensure that the tanks are not bonded directly to the spars. Try to fit them into some sort of flexible bed so that the spars can flex without affecting the tank itself. The original plans called for setting them into a bed of silicone calking, but that wasn't good enough. They still cracked. Another safegaurd would be to slosh them with one of Kreme or Randolph products. As for plumbing, I'd plumb it exactly like the later model IV on up using the rear mounted header tank low behind the seat. That system has been very successful. Happy New Year everybody! May your building go smoothly and your parts always arrive on time! Darrel Morisse List Janitor > > I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my > model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty > straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had > any suggestions on: > - securing the tanks between ribs > - plumbing into the main tank > > Thanks, > B > >


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    Time: 05:25:36 AM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, robertocannino@yahoo.com writes: << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >> I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went to fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and expense. I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and a new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on the wing. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 06:17:22 AM PST US
    From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com> Paul, I did nothing to address shaking. It did shake a bit, but I never found it excessive. Cliff > > Cliff: > > Just curious; Does the high compression piston kit cause the same > excessive > shaking at start up and shut down the 912s is known for? I know you have > done a lot to cure this with your engine, so I thought you might be the > best > person to ask. > > Paul Seehafer > Central Wisconsin > Model IV 912ul amphib


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    Time: 06:21:31 AM PST US
    From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com> I should clarify this; I think this comment from Lockwood came when we were discussing the cylinders. It's been about a year and half since I had that conversation, so the details are a little foggy. I don't think that they were saying that you should run your 912 beyond 1500 hours before overhaul. Cliff > When you wrote "at overhaul, lockwood said that there were little wear on > the engines at 1800 hrs." that says a bunch. Thanks. > > steve a


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    Time: 07:01:17 AM PST US
    From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: model IV wing tanks
    Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:00:53 -0700 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> The aluminum tanks have a rather wide flap on the leading edge of the tank that called for riveting to the spar. Skystar told me the problems they had with the aluminum tank installation was a result of drilling and riveting to close to the inside seam of the tank. My Model II has the two 6 gal. aluminum tanks and I have had no problem to date. Dee Model II N345DY Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com> In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, robertocannino@yahoo.com<mailto:robertocannino@yahoo.com> writes: << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >> I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went to fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and expense. I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and a new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on the wing. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 07:42:57 AM PST US
    From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
    Subject: Kitfox 4 Throttle
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net> Just a thought. I believe the FAA requires that the control not bottom out but have 1/8 too a 1/4 gap at the panel, may be just on GA aircraft. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 Throttle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> At 06:25 AM 12/25/2004 -0500, you wrote: > I think one weak spot might be the ball on the end of the carb cable ...........


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    Time: 08:32:12 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
    Subject: Good article on Stalls / spins
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> Shorty, Good article! It makes several good points on safety! Thanks, Randy Do not archive. . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked Subject: Kitfox-List: Good article on Stalls / spins --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net> >From Transport Canada Everybody brushed up on Spins? :) If you can not better learn http://lazair.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=287 Shorty <---- trying to be a diplomatic person and helpful :)


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    Time: 08:45:00 AM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net Don, How did you plum the vent to the bottom side of the wing? Particularly interested in placement to the tank and then the vent itself. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, robertocannino@yahoo.com writes: << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >> I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went to fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and expense. I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and a new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on the wing. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 09:21:36 AM PST US
    From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
    Subject: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> I have the glass see-through type fuel filters on my Subaru-powered Model IV, and want to replace the filter elements. I've seen these referred to on the list as Purolator filters, but have been unable to find them using Google. The filters in Aircraft Spruce and Speciality as well as the ones at J.C. Whitney have push-in type fittings on both ends to be used in rubber fuel lines. Mine have threaded fittings to fit into my metal lines. I had hoped to get around this by using just the replaceable filter elements in my present housings, but the elements I purchased from J.C. Whitney are smaller than what I now have, so I doubt they would work. Needless to say, I don't want to tear into something that seems to be working just fine at present only to wind up with something that doesn't work at all. I have no idea what brand my present filters are as I didn't build the plane myself. It's possible that even if I find the Purolator filters they won't match up either. Can anyone help me here? Thanks in advance. Clem Nichols No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 09:41:14 AM PST US
    From: Dcecil3@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Clem sometimes you don't have to go to the aviation side of the parts realm. Good old Wal-mart in the boat section, glass see through filters with threaded ends and the replacement filters are right beside them. The filter is 6.95 and the filter elements are in a 4 pack for about the same. Guys if your useing these glass filters , whatever brand don't forget to saftey wire them. I had one come apart on my challenger and Gas went every where, scared the daylights out of me , not to mention the pain in the Butt trying to get the 2 Stroke oil off my paint Best David Cecil


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    Time: 10:17:22 AM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net I couldn't agree more. I want to clarify that reading this makes for a good choice on a Rotax. I remember the days when I rode snowmobiles and the Rotax engine was the choice. Even the boys with the Polaris would modify the snowmobile to except the Rotax. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Begnaud Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com> I should clarify this; I think this comment from Lockwood came when we were discussing the cylinders. It's been about a year and half since I had that conversation, so the details are a little foggy. I don't think that they were saying that you should run your 912 beyond 1500 hours before overhaul. Cliff > When you wrote "at overhaul, lockwood said that there were little wear on > the engines at 1800 hrs." that says a bunch. Thanks. > > steve a


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    Time: 10:19:32 AM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it seems to me that a new engine gives all the new mods, and you have the comfort of everything being new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost as much as the new. Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong, I'm open to have my mind changed. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Steve, I am confused. Do you have to replace the entire engine at TBO, or just rebuild it? How much does a 912 rebuild cost? Is it high like a certified engine and that is why you are saying "replace it"? Kurt S. S-5 --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > Now here is another question: What generally goes > bad on these engines when it comes time for rebuild. > Reason why is mine has about 650 hrs. on the > engine and if mainly the rings go bad, than maybe I > should change the rings and call it good. OR, am > I wasting my money doing the upgrade since in > another 650 hrs. I will need another engine anyway? > > steve a __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo


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    Time: 10:25:11 AM PST US
    From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Eric Tucker said at a Aircraft Engine Training Seminar, if he had a 912 he would do annual condition inspections and at 2000 hours would pull the engine, sell it and buy a new one. For whats it worth, thats what I plan on doing. Clint


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    Time: 10:57:33 AM PST US
    From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Earl's Oil Cooler Bracket
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> Hello All, If anyone is interested, I have an oil cooler mounting kit #1707ERL for an Earl's oil cooler. It is new and still in the package. Please contact me off list. If there is no interest, it will go on Ebay. Happy New Year! Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S


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    Time: 11:01:08 AM PST US
    From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com> If you have a "Carquest" in the area....they stock them. Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792


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    Time: 11:12:33 AM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Hi Clem, I have been looking at filters all week and decided on these myself. http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1483&prmenbr=361 They are Pyrex bodied for better safety and the filter element is cleanable/reusable. They have AN-06 ends, or hose nipples, so use as you like. Note that they have a 7 psi max pressure, so do not put on the pressurised side of the pump. For the price, you can keep them clean and never replace the element again. Just clean it. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote: > I have the glass see-through type fuel filters on my > Subaru-powered Model IV, and want to replace the > filter elements........ > > Clem Nichols __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250


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    Time: 11:51:12 AM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: balancing out the ailerons
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net I thought I would pass this little tip to the group. Since I am a model airplane builder I thought I would use a device that I used for the wings on a model plane on the Kitfox ailerons. It's a model incidence meter. It clamps on the front and back of the wing(model) in this case the aileron and you level the plane and level the meter for each side. Has a bubble and a gauge, quick and simple, finds the cord of the wing or aileron dead on. Mine is a robart model and I think they can be gotten for under 50 dollars. I got mine through tower hobbies. steve a


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    Time: 12:04:42 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: [Off topic] Character sets. WAS New Year.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Don Pearsall wrote: > it is because the > list can only deliver "plain text" characters, which are the first 128 ASCII > characters of the character set for most PCs. Thank you for the explanation, Don, and I agree, emails to the list should be only in text-only "vanilla" ASCII. The thing is, 7-bit ASCII is enough to represent all non-English characters. But the computer world is drowning in different concepts like Unicode, MIME, UTF-8, etc. As long as they can't agree to one standard, we'll have a mess. Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 12:06:16 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Series 7 cowl
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Joel Mapes wrote: > I place the photos in http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Finally, the photos are on the Matronics server, Joel. Thank you very much. Interesting concept. I could have made my cowling in three parts that way. But it is a bit late now. Cheers, Michel Do not archive


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    Time: 12:31:34 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: balancing out the ailerons
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> We should never underestimate modeling as a source, IMHO. For Christmas, my daughters gave me a 2 CD story of Burt Ratan's quest for space. It is interesting to see Burt running around hand tossing a model of his spaceship to see if it would work. Did you know the first private spaceship astronaut was a HS dropout?... Many great ideas come from modelers/individuals. I understand that about 80% of inventions come from individuals, and 20% from institutions. Guess which costs more? We do that here too. Kurt S. Do not aarchive --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > I thought I would pass this little tip to the group. > Since I am a model airplane builder I thought > I would use a device that I used for the wings on > a model plane on the Kitfox ailerons. It's a model > incidence meter...... > > steve a __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250


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    Time: 01:17:04 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 8:45:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, customtrans@qwest.net writes: << Don, How did you plum the vent to the bottom side of the wing? Particularly interested in placement to the tank and then the vent itself. >> When the tanks were cut open, I installed a fiberglass boss and fitting at the top outboard end of the tank (near the filler). I then ran about 5' or so of alum tubing through the wing and stopped about where the struts attach to the wing. Bent the tubing downward and attached a compression fitting for the pitot type vent (where the tubing exited the fabric). The pitot type vent can be replaced via the compression fitting if needed. One change I might would make is to extend the vent further out the wing before coming down. When I taxi with full fuel and make a turn, fuel will piss out the vents. However, it hit the ground and does not get on the fabric. I don't know if going further would help that much. Of course, due to wing dihedral, the further you go the higher above the tank it is???? Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 01:19:03 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 9:22:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, cnichols@scrtc.com writes: << something that doesn't work at all. I have no idea what brand my present filters are as I didn't build the plane myself. It's possible that even if I find the Purolator filters they won't match up either. Can an! yone help me here? Thanks in advance. >> Many auto parts stores sell the replacement filter elements for the Purolator. There is an off brand type that will fit but they are a bit tight. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 01:45:31 PM PST US
    From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
    Subject: radiator cowl flap air control
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net> Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp depending on what I am trying to achieve. I have the new waterless coolant in the new engine set up and it works extremely well. I don't know how the system would react to a major restriction/back pressure like a thermostat. I want to make sure it is a fail safe type control that would go full open should the control break. I think someone did and oil cooler control, maybe I could expand the plan. Thanks Rick


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    Time: 01:54:19 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: radiator cowl flap air control
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Hi Rick, I am still working on the design for my scoop controller. But if you want an easy one for the radiator, you can put a hinged door on the back side, hinged at the bottom. If the cable breaks, it blows back and falls down to stay open. Pull it up with a cable to close it off. Easy??? Make sure and leave drain holes for when it rains. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo > Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device > to control air flow to > the large NSI type radiator. > > Thanks > Rick


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    Time: 02:20:06 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> That does sound expensive Steve. I would hope by the time you get there, it is rebuildable for less. But for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp. Zero time what components you can and run it as long as you can after that. I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding, including all the new mods on the NSI. It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built of iron issues. My engine is a lot heavier, though not as bad as some claim. But it also runs on lower octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it for cheap. The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake so bad on start. It has the clutch and it is low compression for the turbo. So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which engine is best for you. I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for 1200 hrs and a lot of $. In 2400 hrs or so, my engine pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs. But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV. My friend in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it though.... Kurt S. --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it > seems to me that a new engine gives all the new mods, > and you have the comfort of everything being > new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost > as much as the new. > Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong, > I'm open to have my mind changed. > > steve a __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com


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    Time: 02:40:29 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: radiator cowl flap air control
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/1/05 1:46:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, turboflyer@comcast.net writes: << Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp depending on what I am trying to achieve. I hav >> Rick, I will let you know in a couple weeks on my design. I have the door/louvers on the back side of the rad. They run up/dn not cross ways. Also, I have "TWO" push/pull controls in the cockpit each controlling 1/2 the radiator louvers. Like you, I wanted more pilot control over the airflow through the radiator. This way, I can open half or all the radiator or, I can open each half partially if necessary. I hinged each louver offset from the center so in case of a cable breakage, each louver will fail open. We will see soon, Report to follow. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 02:47:46 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight. I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced. What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar site since the V is discontinued. Thanks! Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: kurt schrader To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> That does sound expensive Steve. I would hope by the time you get there, it is rebuildable for less. But for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp. Zero time what components you can and run it as long as you can after that. I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding, including all the new mods on the NSI. It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built of iron issues. My engine is a lot heavier, though not as bad as some claim. But it also runs on lower octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it for cheap. The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake so bad on start. It has the clutch and it is low compression for the turbo. So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which engine is best for you. I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for 1200 hrs and a lot of $. In 2400 hrs or so, my engine pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs. But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV. My friend in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it though.... Kurt S. --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it > seems to me that a new engine gives all the new mods, > and you have the comfort of everything being > new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost > as much as the new. > Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong, > I'm open to have my mind changed. > > steve a __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 03:01:20 PM PST US
    From: customtrans@qwest.net
    Subject: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net according to my data, the plane was 599 before refit. Now with the extra weight of the landing gear and the IVO prop, I'm not sure. The wings are going short, but I'm changing the right tank to 13 gallons. I'm sure I will be close to that, but the actual weight when I take the reading will tell. steve a. Kitfox4 with 912 ul -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight. I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced. What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar site since the V is discontinued. Thanks! Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: kurt schrader To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> That does sound expensive Steve. I would hope by the time you get there, it is rebuildable for less. But for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp. Zero time what components you can and run it as long as you can after that. I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding, including all the new mods on the NSI. It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built of iron issues. My engine is a lot heavier, though not as bad as some claim. But it also runs on lower octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it for cheap. The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake so bad on start. It has the clutch and it is low compression for the turbo. So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which engine is best for you. I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for 1200 hrs and a lot of $. In 2400 hrs or so, my engine pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs. But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV. My friend in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it though.... Kurt S. --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote: > I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it > seems to me that a new engine gives all the new mods, > and you have the comfort of everything being > new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost > as much as the new. > Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong, > I'm open to have my mind changed. > > steve a __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 03:32:36 PM PST US
    From: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
    Subject: MATCO BRAKES?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Been flying my Fox the past few days and noticed that the right break seems to be sticking, pressure not releasing. It feels like the plane wants to break to the right. The wheels still turn but with pressure. I also notice that my break disk that are attached to the wheels have play. The other thing I noticed is that the break pads don't seem to wear the same, not even! Any help? What do I do?? Ray <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Been flying my Fox the past few days and noticed that the right break seems to be sticking, pressure not releasing. It feels like the plane wants to break to the right. The wheels still turn but with pressure. I also notice that my break disk that are attached to the wheels have play. The other thing I noticed is that the break pads don't seem to wear the same, not even! Any help? What do I do?? Ray <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->


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    Time: 04:12:40 PM PST US
    From: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
    Subject: KF m4Tailwheel
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net> I purchased a KF model4-1200-912ul from the original builder. It has about 630 hours on it and what looks like the original 6 inch by 2 inch solid tailwheel. During taxiing the tailwheel seems to "kick out" when making moderate speed turns. Does anyone know what side force should cause the tail wheel to kick out and how to measure it and adjust it? Thanks, Chuck


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    Time: 04:40:13 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: radiator cowl flap air control
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Rick, go to Sportflight/uploads/improvements and check mine out. It might give you some ideas. There're about 4 pics under "Deke Morisse" Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: radiator cowl flap air control > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net> > > > Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to > the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp > depending on what I am trying to achieve. I have the new waterless coolant > in the new engine set up and it works extremely well. I don't know how the > system would react to a major restriction/back pressure like a thermostat. I > want to make sure it is a fail safe type control that would go full open > should the control break. I think someone did and oil cooler control, maybe > I could expand the plan. > > Thanks > Rick > >


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    Time: 06:26:33 PM PST US
    From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
    Subject: Series 5 empty weights. was: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> Ben, Mine came in at 776 lbs with the 912S. I would like to think it is on the light side. I should have claimed 1320 for max gross, but the DAR told me I could change it later. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baltrusaitis Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net> What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight. I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced. What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar site since the V is discontinued. Thanks! Ben


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    Time: 08:31:21 PM PST US
    From: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
    Subject: Re: model IV wing tanks
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net> Don , I would be very interested in a drawing of your tank venting . DeWayne at kitfox@bresnan.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, > robertocannino@yahoo.com writes: > > << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my > model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty > straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >> > > I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing > caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went to > fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and > expense. > I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I > would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my > tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and a > new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on > the wing. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > >


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    Time: 09:07:37 PM PST US
    From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine choices/ Read the story
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> >Just curious; Does the high compression piston kit cause the same excessive >shaking at start up and shut down the 912s is known for? With proper starting technique (crank with enrichment valve pulled and ignitions off for a few seconds to prime it, release the enrichment valve and wait 10-20 seconds, switch on ignitions and crank) there's no reason you need to experience the start-up shake. In the almost 70 hours I put on my 912S I never had any trouble with excessive shaking or vibration. It's a terrific engine! Mike G. N728KF


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    Time: 09:49:25 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: radiator cowl flap air control
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net> Rick, Look in the Sept. 2004 LEAF (Leading Edge Airfoils) catalog on page 34. They have a louver device with a push/pull cockpit control that will regulate the airflow through the radiator. Cost $65.00 LEAF is the same company as Wag Aero in Lyons WI. pete > > Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to > the large NSI type radiator.


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    Time: 11:50:44 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting]
    DNA: do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Lister, Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kitfox-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.]




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