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     1. 12:08 AM - model IV wing tanks (Roberto Canino)
     2. 01:02 AM - Re: New Year. (Michel Verheughe)
     3. 01:17 AM - Re: New Year. (Don Pearsall)
     4. 01:25 AM - Re: Electrical and throttle (Michel Verheughe)
     5. 01:28 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (kurt schrader)
     6. 01:50 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (kurt schrader)
     7. 04:58 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Fox5flyer)
     8. 05:25 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
     9. 06:17 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clifford Begnaud)
    10. 06:21 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clifford Begnaud)
    11. 07:01 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Dee Young)
    12. 07:42 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle (Rick)
    13. 08:32 AM - Re: Good article on Stalls / spins (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    14. 08:45 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (customtrans@qwest.net)
    15. 09:21 AM - Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Clem Nichols)
    16. 09:41 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Dcecil3@aol.com)
    17. 10:17 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
    18. 10:19 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
    19. 10:25 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clint Bazzill)
    20. 10:57 AM - Earl's Oil Cooler Bracket (Grant Fluent)
    21. 11:01 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Howard Firm)
    22. 11:12 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (kurt schrader)
    23. 11:51 AM - balancing out the ailerons (customtrans@qwest.net)
    24. 12:04 PM - [Off topic] Character sets. WAS New Year. (Michel Verheughe)
    25. 12:06 PM - Re: Series 7 cowl (Michel Verheughe)
    26. 12:31 PM - Re: balancing out the ailerons (kurt schrader)
    27. 01:17 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    28. 01:19 PM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    29. 01:45 PM - radiator cowl flap air control (Rick)
    30. 01:54 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (kurt schrader)
    31. 02:20 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (kurt schrader)
    32. 02:40 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    33. 02:47 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Ben Baltrusaitis)
    34. 03:01 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
    35. 03:32 PM - MATCO BRAKES? (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
    36. 04:12 PM - KF m4Tailwheel (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
    37. 04:40 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (Fox5flyer)
    38. 06:26 PM - Series 5 empty weights. was: Engine choices/ Read the story (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    39. 08:31 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (DeWayne Clifford)
    40. 09:07 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Michael Gibbs)
    41. 09:49 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (Pete Sigrist)
    42. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
      
      I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
      model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
      straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had
      any suggestions on:
      - securing the tanks between ribs
      - plumbing into the main tank
      
      Thanks,
      B 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Torgeir Mortensen wrote: 
      > Happy New Year to Every one, -see you next year.
      
      ... eh! We are next year now! :-) 
      Godt nytt ar, Torgeir! Feliz ano nuevo, Michel G, Jose and other Hispanic
      friends, and Happy New Year, dear Anglo-Saxon friends!
      
      Michel
      
      PS: Note that non-English characters are not printing on this list. Maybe
      someone knows why.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      
      Happy 2005 Michel and all the other list members!
      As far as non-English characters printing on the list, it is because the
      list can only deliver "plain text" characters, which are the first 128 ASCII
      characters of the character set for most PCs. That is why you do not see any
      formatting such as bold, underlining, umlauts, etc on list messages. When
      the message is received by the list software, the extraneous information is
      stripped and replaced with just simple characters. 
      
      The result is a message that can be translated by most PCs and email reader
      software, but non-English characters are dropped or translated.
      
      Sorry!
      
      Don Pearsall, list janitor
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
      Verheughe
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Year.
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Torgeir Mortensen wrote: 
      > Happy New Year to Every one, -see you next year.
      
      ... eh! We are next year now! :-) 
      Godt nytt ar, Torgeir! Feliz ano nuevo, Michel G, Jose and other Hispanic
      friends, and Happy New Year, dear Anglo-Saxon friends!
      
      Michel
      
      PS: Note that non-English characters are not printing on this list. Maybe
      someone knows why.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Electrical and throttle | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Guy Buchanan wrote:
      >Would you please contact Bob Nucholls (b.nuckolls@cox.net) on the
      > Aeroelectric List about your noise issue. He's interested in the details.
      
      Done! :-)
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Roberto,
      
      HA!  Timing.  I was just thinking about improving my
      fuel system today.  I am not going as far as building
      new wing tanks and I certainly don't have all the
      answers, but here are a few considerations.
      
      If you do make your own tanks, you have the
      opportunity to install flush gas caps like Don S. did.
       Good little drag reducers.  You can also install a
      better vent system that doesn't spill onto your wings
      and stain them.
      
      Your plumbing to the main tank should be all down
      hill, or you need a lowpoint drain/gascolator, or
      header tank.  I think it has been discovered that you
      are best off running the lines down behind and under
      the seats, then forward.  Then add a low point
      collector/drain.
      
      You need to control the flow to the main tank with a
      valve, or seal the main tank and vent it back to a
      wing tank.  Otherwise it will overflow from the
      gravity feed.
      
      Just some points to get you started...
      
      Kurt S.  S-5
      
      --- Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      > I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
      > model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
      > straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had
      > any suggestions on:
      > - securing the tanks between ribs
      > - plumbing into the main tank
      > 
      > Thanks,
      > B
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Steve,
      
      I am confused.  Do you have to replace the entire
      engine at TBO, or just rebuild it?  How much does a
      912 rebuild cost?  Is it high like a certified engine
      and that is why you are saying "replace it"?
      
      Kurt S.  S-5
      
      --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
      
      > Now here is another question: What generally goes
      > bad on these engines when it comes time for rebuild.
      > Reason why is mine has about 650 hrs. on the
      > engine and if mainly the rings go bad, than maybe I
      > should change the rings and call it good.  OR, am 
      > I wasting my money doing the upgrade since in
      > another 650 hrs. I will need another engine anyway?
      > 
      > steve a
      
      
                      
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| Subject:  | Re: model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Roberto, one of the problems using aluminum for Kitfox wing tanks is that
      the wings flex more than the average airplane which eventually causes the
      aluminum to stress crack.  It doesn't happen to all of them, but it is a
      problem.  My old model II had aluminum tanks and I never had a problem, but
      the current owner contacted me recently and said that they're starting to
      leak.
      
      My suggestion would be to ensure that the tanks are not bonded directly to
      the spars.  Try to fit them into some sort of flexible bed so that the spars
      can flex without affecting the tank itself.  The original plans called for
      setting them into a bed of silicone calking, but that wasn't good enough.
      They still cracked.  Another safegaurd would be to slosh them with one of
      Kreme or Randolph products.
      
      As for plumbing, I'd plumb it exactly like the later model IV on up using
      the rear mounted header tank low behind the seat.  That system has been very
      successful.
      
      Happy New Year everybody!  May your building go smoothly and your parts
      always arrive on time!
      Darrel Morisse
      List Janitor
      
      >
      > I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
      > model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
      > straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had
      > any suggestions on:
      > - securing the tanks between ribs
      > - plumbing into the main tank
      >
      > Thanks,
      > B
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
      robertocannino@yahoo.com writes:
      
      << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
       model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
       straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
      
          I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing 
      caused cracks.  That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went to
      
      fiberglass.  Check the history before you go to all that hard work and 
      expense.
          I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks.  I 
      would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my 
      tanks are solid as a rock.  I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and
      a 
      new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing.  Works great with no spills on 
      the wing.
      
      Don Smythe
      N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
      
      Paul,
      I did nothing to address shaking. It did shake a bit, but I never found it 
      excessive.
      Cliff
      
      >
      > Cliff:
      >
      > Just curious;  Does the high compression piston kit cause the same 
      > excessive
      > shaking at start up and shut down the 912s is known for?  I know you have
      > done a lot to cure this with your engine, so I thought you might be the 
      > best
      > person to ask.
      >
      > Paul Seehafer
      > Central Wisconsin
      > Model IV 912ul amphib
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
      
      I should clarify this; I think this comment from Lockwood came when we were 
      discussing the cylinders. It's been about a year and half since I had that 
      conversation, so the details are a little foggy. I don't think that they 
      were saying that you should run your 912 beyond 1500 hours before overhaul.
      Cliff
      
      
      > When you wrote "at overhaul, lockwood said that there were little wear on
      > the engines at 1800 hrs." that says a bunch.  Thanks.
      >
      > steve a
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: model IV wing tanks | 
      Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:00:53 -0700
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
      
      The aluminum tanks have a rather wide flap on the leading edge of the tank that
      called for riveting to the spar. Skystar told me the problems they had with the
      aluminum tank installation was a result of drilling and riveting to close to
      the inside seam of the tank. My Model II has the two 6 gal. aluminum tanks and
      I have had no problem to date.
      
      Dee
      Model II
      N345DY
      
      Do Not Archive
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
        Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:25 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
      
        In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
        robertocannino@yahoo.com<mailto:robertocannino@yahoo.com> writes:
      
        << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
         model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
         straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
      
            I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing
        caused cracks.  That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went
      to
        fiberglass.  Check the history before you go to all that hard work and 
        expense.
            I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks.  I
        would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
        tanks are solid as a rock.  I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and
      a
        new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing.  Works great with no spills on
        the wing.
      
        Don Smythe
        N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Kitfox 4 Throttle | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
      
      Just a thought. I believe the FAA requires that the control not bottom out
      but have 1/8 too a 1/4 gap at the panel, may be just on GA aircraft.
      
      Rick
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 Throttle
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
      
      At 06:25 AM 12/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
      
      >     I think one weak spot might be the ball on the end of the carb cable
      ...........
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Good article on Stalls / spins | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      Shorty,
      Good article!   It makes several good points on safety!  
      
      Thanks,
      Randy
      
      Do not archive.
      
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Good article on Stalls / spins
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
      
      >From Transport Canada
      
      Everybody brushed up on Spins? 
      
      :) If you can not better learn 
      
      http://lazair.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=287
      
      Shorty   <----  trying to be a diplomatic person and  helpful  :) 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      Don,
      How did you plum the vent to the bottom side of the wing?  Particularly
      interested in placement to the tank and then the vent itself.
      
      steve a
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
      AlbertaIV@aol.com
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
      robertocannino@yahoo.com writes:
      
      << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
       model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
       straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
      
          I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing
      caused cracks.  That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went
      to
      fiberglass.  Check the history before you go to all that hard work and
      expense.
          I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks.  I
      would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
      tanks are solid as a rock.  I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps
      and a
      new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing.  Works great with no spills on
      the wing.
      
      Don Smythe
      N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
      
      I have the glass see-through type fuel filters on my Subaru-powered Model IV, and
      want to replace the filter elements.  I've seen these referred to on the list
      as Purolator filters, but have been unable to find them using Google.  The
      filters in Aircraft Spruce and Speciality as well as the ones at J.C. Whitney
      have push-in type fittings on both ends to be used in rubber fuel lines.  Mine
      have threaded fittings to fit into my metal lines.  I had hoped to get around
      this by using just the replaceable filter elements in my present housings, but
      the elements I purchased from J.C. Whitney are smaller than what I now have,
      so I doubt they would work.  Needless to say, I don't want to tear into something
      that seems to be working just fine at present only to wind up with something
      that doesn't work at all.  I have no idea what brand my present filters are
      as I didn't build the plane myself.  It's possible that even if I find the Purolator
      filters they won't match up either.  Can anyone help me here?  Thanks
      in advance.
      
      Clem Nichols
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| Subject:  | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
      
      Clem sometimes you don't have to go to the aviation side of the parts realm. 
      Good old Wal-mart in the boat section, glass see through filters  with 
      threaded ends and the replacement filters are right beside them. The filter is
      6.95  
      and the filter elements are in a 4 pack for about the same. Guys if your 
      useing these glass filters , whatever brand don't forget to saftey wire them. I
      had 
      one come apart on my challenger and Gas went every where, scared the 
      daylights out of me , not to mention the pain in the Butt trying to get the 2 Stroke
      
      oil off my paint  
                                                                        Best David 
      Cecil
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      I couldn't agree more.  I want to clarify that reading this makes for a good
      choice on a Rotax.  I remember the days when I rode snowmobiles and the
      Rotax engine was the choice.  Even the boys with the Polaris would modify
      the snowmobile to except the Rotax.
      
      steve a
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford
      Begnaud
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
      <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
      
      I should clarify this; I think this comment from Lockwood came when we were
      discussing the cylinders. It's been about a year and half since I had that
      conversation, so the details are a little foggy. I don't think that they
      were saying that you should run your 912 beyond 1500 hours before overhaul.
      Cliff
      
      
      > When you wrote "at overhaul, lockwood said that there were little wear on
      > the engines at 1800 hrs." that says a bunch.  Thanks.
      >
      > steve a
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      I haven't really looked into it very hard.  But it seems to me that a new
      engine gives all the new mods, and you have the comfort of everything being
      new.  It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost as much as the new.
      Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong, I'm open to have my mind
      changed.
      
      steve a
      
      -----Original Message-----
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      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
      schrader
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Steve,
      
      I am confused.  Do you have to replace the entire
      engine at TBO, or just rebuild it?  How much does a
      912 rebuild cost?  Is it high like a certified engine
      and that is why you are saying "replace it"?
      
      Kurt S.  S-5
      
      --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
      
      > Now here is another question: What generally goes
      > bad on these engines when it comes time for rebuild.
      > Reason why is mine has about 650 hrs. on the
      > engine and if mainly the rings go bad, than maybe I
      > should change the rings and call it good.  OR, am
      > I wasting my money doing the upgrade since in
      > another 650 hrs. I will need another engine anyway?
      >
      > steve a
      
      
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| Subject:  | Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
      
      Eric Tucker said at a Aircraft Engine Training Seminar, if he had a 912 he 
      would do annual condition inspections and at 2000 hours would pull the 
      engine, sell it and buy a new one.  For whats it worth, thats what I plan on 
      doing.  Clint
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Earl's Oil Cooler Bracket | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
      
      Hello All,
      
        If anyone is interested, I have an oil cooler
      mounting kit #1707ERL for an Earl's oil cooler. It is
      new and still in the package. Please contact me off
      list. If there is no interest, it will go on Ebay.
      
      Happy New Year!
      Grant Fluent
      Newcastle, NE
      Classic IV 912S
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
      
      If you have a "Carquest" in the area....they stock them.
      
      
      Howard Firm
      508 12th St. South
      Virginia MN 55792
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Clem,
      
      I have been looking at filters all week and decided on
      these myself.
      
      http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1483&prmenbr=361
      
      They are Pyrex bodied for better safety and the filter
      element is cleanable/reusable.  They have AN-06 ends,
      or hose nipples, so use as you like.  Note that they
      have a 7 psi max pressure, so do not put on the
      pressurised side of the pump.  For the price, you can
      keep them clean and never replace the element again. 
      Just clean it.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5/NSI turbo
      
      --- Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
      
      > I have the glass see-through type fuel filters on my
      > Subaru-powered Model IV, and want to replace the
      > filter elements........
      > 
      > Clem Nichols
      
      
                      
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| Subject:  | balancing out the ailerons | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      I thought I would pass this little tip to the group.  Since I am a model
      airplane builder I thought I would use a device that I used for the wings on
      a model plane on the Kitfox ailerons. It's a model incidence meter.  It
      clamps on the front and back of the wing(model) in this case the aileron and
      you level the plane and level the meter for each side. Has a bubble and a
      gauge, quick and simple, finds the cord of the wing or aileron dead on.
      Mine is a robart model and I think they can be gotten for under 50 dollars.
      I got mine through tower hobbies.
      
      steve a
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | [Off topic] Character sets. WAS New Year. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Don Pearsall wrote:
      > it is because the
      > list can only deliver "plain text" characters, which are the first 128 ASCII
      > characters of the character set for most PCs.
      
      Thank you for the explanation, Don, and I agree, emails to the list should be
      only in text-only "vanilla" ASCII. The thing is, 7-bit ASCII is enough to
      represent all non-English characters. But the computer world is drowning in
      different concepts like Unicode, MIME, UTF-8, etc. As long as they can't agree
      to one standard, we'll have a mess.
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Series 7 cowl | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Joel Mapes wrote:
      > I place the photos in  http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
      
      Finally, the photos are on the Matronics server, Joel. Thank you very much.
      Interesting concept. I could have made my cowling in three parts that way. But
      it is a bit late now.
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: balancing out the ailerons | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      We should never underestimate modeling as a source,
      IMHO.  For Christmas, my daughters gave me a 2 CD
      story of Burt Ratan's quest for space.  It is
      interesting to see Burt running around hand tossing a
      model of his spaceship to see if it would work.
      
      Did you know the first private spaceship astronaut was
      a HS dropout?...
      
      Many great ideas come from modelers/individuals.  I
      understand that about 80% of inventions come from
      individuals, and 20% from institutions.  Guess which
      costs more?
      
      We do that here too.
      
      Kurt S.
      
      Do not aarchive
      --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
      
      > I thought I would pass this little tip to the group.
      >  Since I am a model airplane builder I thought 
      > I would use a device that I used for the wings on
      > a model plane on the Kitfox ailerons. It's a model
      > incidence meter......
      > 
      > steve a
      
      
                      
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| Subject:  | Re: model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 1/1/05 8:45:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
      customtrans@qwest.net writes:
      
      << Don,
       How did you plum the vent to the bottom side of the wing?  Particularly
       interested in placement to the tank and then the vent itself.
        >>
          When the tanks were cut open, I installed a fiberglass boss and fitting 
      at the top outboard end of the tank (near the filler).  I then ran about 5' or
      
      so of alum tubing through the wing and stopped about where the struts attach 
      to the wing.  Bent the tubing downward and attached a compression fitting for 
      the pitot type vent (where the tubing exited the fabric).  The pitot type vent
      
      can be replaced via the compression fitting if needed.
          One change I might would make is to extend the vent further out the wing 
      before coming down.  When I taxi with full fuel and make a turn, fuel will 
      piss out the vents.  However, it hit the ground and does not get on the fabric.
      
      I don't know if going further would help that much.  Of course, due to wing 
      dihedral, the further you go the higher above the tank it is????
      
      Don Smythe
      N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 1/1/05 9:22:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
      cnichols@scrtc.com writes:
      
      << something that doesn't work at all.  I have no idea what brand my present 
      filters are as I didn't build the plane myself.  It's possible that even if I 
      find the Purolator filters they won't match up either.  Can an!
       yone help me here?  Thanks in advance.
        >>
      Many auto parts stores sell the replacement filter elements for the 
      Purolator.  There is an off brand type that will fit but they are a bit tight.
      
      Don Smythe
      N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | radiator cowl flap air control | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
      
      
      Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to
      the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp
      depending on what I am trying to achieve. I have the new waterless coolant
      in the new engine set up and it works extremely well. I don't know how the
      system would react to a major restriction/back pressure like a thermostat. I
      want to make sure it is a fail safe type control that would go full open
      should the control break. I think someone did and oil cooler control, maybe
      I could expand the plan.
      
      Thanks
      Rick
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: radiator cowl flap air control | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Rick,
      
      I am still working on the design for my scoop
      controller.  But if you want an easy one for the
      radiator, you can put a hinged door on the back side,
      hinged at the bottom.  If the cable breaks, it blows
      back and falls down to stay open.  Pull it up with a
      cable to close it off.  Easy???  Make sure and leave
      drain holes for when it rains.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5/NSI turbo
      
      > Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device
      > to control air flow to
      > the large NSI type radiator.
      > 
      > Thanks
      > Rick
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      That does sound expensive Steve.  I would hope by the
      time you get there, it is rebuildable for less.  But
      for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger
      pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp.  Zero time
      what components you can and run it as long as you can
      after that.
      
      I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding,
      including all the new mods on the NSI.
      
      It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built
      of iron issues.  My engine is a lot heavier, though
      not as bad as some claim.  But it also runs on lower
      octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it
      for cheap.  The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake
      so bad on start.  It has the clutch and it is low
      compression for the turbo.
      
      So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which
      engine is best for you.
      
      I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for
      1200 hrs and a lot of $.  In 2400 hrs or so, my engine
      pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I
      accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs.
      
      But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV.  My friend
      in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it
      though....
      
      Kurt S.
      
      --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
      
      > I haven't really looked into it very hard.  But it
      > seems to me that a new engine gives all the new
      mods,
      > and you have the comfort of everything being
      > new.  It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost
      > as much as the new.
      > Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong,
      > I'm open to have my mind changed.
      > 
      > steve a
      
      
                      
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| Subject:  | Re: radiator cowl flap air control | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 1/1/05 1:46:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
      turboflyer@comcast.net writes:
      
      << Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to
       the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp
       depending on what I am trying to achieve. I hav >>
      
      Rick,
          I will let you know in a couple weeks on my design.  I have the 
      door/louvers on the back side of the rad.  They run up/dn not cross ways.  Also,
      I have 
      "TWO" push/pull controls in the cockpit each controlling 1/2 the radiator 
      louvers.  Like you, I wanted more pilot control over the airflow through the 
      radiator.  This way, I can open half or all the radiator or, I can open each half
      
      partially if necessary.  I hinged each louver offset from the center so in 
      case of a cable breakage, each louver will fail open.  
      
      We will see soon, Report to follow.
      Don Smythe
      N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru idea.
      I see the 912s as the best for power to weight.
      I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay those certified
      parts prices when something needs to be replaced.
      What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar site
      since the V is discontinued.
      Thanks!
      Ben
      
      ----- Original Message -----
        From: kurt schrader
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:19 PM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
        That does sound expensive Steve.  I would hope by the
        time you get there, it is rebuildable for less.  But
        for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger
        pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp.  Zero time
        what components you can and run it as long as you can
        after that.
      
        I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding,
        including all the new mods on the NSI.
      
        It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built
        of iron issues.  My engine is a lot heavier, though
        not as bad as some claim.  But it also runs on lower
        octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it
        for cheap.  The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake
        so bad on start.  It has the clutch and it is low
        compression for the turbo.
      
        So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which
        engine is best for you.
      
        I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for
        1200 hrs and a lot of $.  In 2400 hrs or so, my engine
        pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I
        accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs.
      
        But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV.  My friend
        in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it
        though....
      
        Kurt S.
      
        --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
      
        > I haven't really looked into it very hard.  But it
        > seems to me that a new engine gives all the new
        mods,
        > and you have the comfort of everything being
        > new.  It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost
        > as much as the new.
        > Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong,
        > I'm open to have my mind changed.
        >
        > steve a
      
      
                       
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| Subject:  | Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
      
      according to my data, the plane was 599 before refit.  Now with the extra
      weight of the landing gear and the IVO prop, I'm not sure.  The wings are
      going short, but I'm changing the right tank to 13 gallons.  I'm sure I will
      be close to that, but the actual weight when I take the reading will tell.
      
      steve a.
      Kitfox4 with 912 ul
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben
      Baltrusaitis
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru
      idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight.
      I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay
      those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced.
      What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar
      site since the V is discontinued.
      Thanks!
      Ben
      
      ----- Original Message -----
        From: kurt schrader
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:19 PM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
        That does sound expensive Steve.  I would hope by the
        time you get there, it is rebuildable for less.  But
        for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger
        pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp.  Zero time
        what components you can and run it as long as you can
        after that.
      
        I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding,
        including all the new mods on the NSI.
      
        It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built
        of iron issues.  My engine is a lot heavier, though
        not as bad as some claim.  But it also runs on lower
        octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it
        for cheap.  The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake
        so bad on start.  It has the clutch and it is low
        compression for the turbo.
      
        So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which
        engine is best for you.
      
        I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for
        1200 hrs and a lot of $.  In 2400 hrs or so, my engine
        pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I
        accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs.
      
        But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV.  My friend
        in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it
        though....
      
        Kurt S.
      
        --- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
      
        > I haven't really looked into it very hard.  But it
        > seems to me that a new engine gives all the new
        mods,
        > and you have the comfort of everything being
        > new.  It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost
        > as much as the new.
        > Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong,
        > I'm open to have my mind changed.
        >
        > steve a
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
      
      Been flying my Fox the past few days and noticed that the right break seems to
      be sticking, pressure not releasing.  It feels like the plane wants to break to
      the right.  The wheels still turn but with pressure.  I also notice that my
      break disk that are attached to the wheels have play.  The other thing I noticed
      is that the break pads don't seem to wear the same, not even!  Any help?  What
      do I do??
      
      Ray
      
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      Been flying my Fox the past few days and noticed that the right break seems to
      be sticking, pressure not releasing. It feels like the plane wants to break to
      the right. The wheels still turn but with pressure. I also notice that my break
      disk that are attached to the wheels have play. The other thing I noticed is
      that the break pads don't seem to wear the same, not even! Any help? What do
      I do??
      
      Ray
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
      
      I purchased a KF model4-1200-912ul from the original builder.  It has about 630
      hours on it and what looks like the original 6 inch by 2 inch solid tailwheel.
      During taxiing the tailwheel seems to "kick out" when making moderate speed
      turns.  Does anyone know what side force should cause the tail wheel to kick
      out and how to measure it and adjust it?  Thanks,
      Chuck 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: radiator cowl flap air control | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Rick, go to Sportflight/uploads/improvements and check mine out.  It might
      give you some ideas.
      There're about 4 pics under "Deke Morisse"
      Deke
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: radiator cowl flap air control
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
      >
      >
      > Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow
      to
      > the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my
      temp
      > depending on what I am trying to achieve. I have the new waterless coolant
      > in the new engine set up and it works extremely well. I don't know how the
      > system would react to a major restriction/back pressure like a thermostat.
      I
      > want to make sure it is a fail safe type control that would go full open
      > should the control break. I think someone did and oil cooler control,
      maybe
      > I could expand the plan.
      >
      > Thanks
      > Rick
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Series 5 empty weights.  was: Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      Ben,
      Mine came in at 776 lbs with the 912S.  I would like to think it is on the
      light side.
      
      I should have claimed 1320 for max gross, but the DAR told me I could change
      it later.  
      
      Randy 
      
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
      Baltrusaitis
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
      
      What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru
      idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight.
      I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay
      those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced.
      What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar
      site since the V is discontinued.
      Thanks!
      Ben
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: model IV wing tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
      
      Don , I would be very interested in a drawing of your tank venting .
      DeWayne at kitfox@bresnan.net
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
      >
      > In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
      > robertocannino@yahoo.com writes:
      >
      > << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
      >  model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
      >  straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
      >
      >     I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the
      wing
      > caused cracks.  That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and
      went to
      > fiberglass.  Check the history before you go to all that hard work and
      > expense.
      >     I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks.
      I
      > would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
      > tanks are solid as a rock.  I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps
      and a
      > new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing.  Works great with no spills
      on
      > the wing.
      >
      > Don Smythe
      > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      
      >Just curious;  Does the high compression piston kit cause the same excessive
      >shaking at start up and shut down the 912s is known for?
      
      With proper starting technique (crank with enrichment valve pulled 
      and ignitions off for a few seconds to prime it, release the 
      enrichment valve and wait 10-20 seconds, switch on ignitions and 
      crank) there's no reason you need to experience the start-up shake. 
      In the almost 70 hours I put on my 912S I never had any trouble with 
      excessive shaking or vibration.
      
      It's a terrific engine!
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: radiator cowl flap air control | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
      
      Rick,
      Look in the Sept. 2004 LEAF (Leading Edge Airfoils) catalog on page 34. They
      have a louver device with a push/pull cockpit control that will regulate the
      airflow through the radiator. Cost $65.00  LEAF is the same company as Wag
      Aero in Lyons WI.
      pete
      
      >
      > Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow
      to
      > the large NSI type radiator.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      DNA: do not archive
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
      
      Dear Lister,
      
      Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below.  The complete
      Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
      following URL:
      
         http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
      
      Thank you,
      
      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator
      
      
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