Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:08 AM - model IV wing tanks (Roberto Canino)
2. 01:02 AM - Re: New Year. (Michel Verheughe)
3. 01:17 AM - Re: New Year. (Don Pearsall)
4. 01:25 AM - Re: Electrical and throttle (Michel Verheughe)
5. 01:28 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (kurt schrader)
6. 01:50 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (kurt schrader)
7. 04:58 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Fox5flyer)
8. 05:25 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
9. 06:17 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clifford Begnaud)
10. 06:21 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clifford Begnaud)
11. 07:01 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Dee Young)
12. 07:42 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 Throttle (Rick)
13. 08:32 AM - Re: Good article on Stalls / spins (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 08:45 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (customtrans@qwest.net)
15. 09:21 AM - Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Clem Nichols)
16. 09:41 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Dcecil3@aol.com)
17. 10:17 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
18. 10:19 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
19. 10:25 AM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Clint Bazzill)
20. 10:57 AM - Earl's Oil Cooler Bracket (Grant Fluent)
21. 11:01 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (Howard Firm)
22. 11:12 AM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (kurt schrader)
23. 11:51 AM - balancing out the ailerons (customtrans@qwest.net)
24. 12:04 PM - [Off topic] Character sets. WAS New Year. (Michel Verheughe)
25. 12:06 PM - Re: Series 7 cowl (Michel Verheughe)
26. 12:31 PM - Re: balancing out the ailerons (kurt schrader)
27. 01:17 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
28. 01:19 PM - Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
29. 01:45 PM - radiator cowl flap air control (Rick)
30. 01:54 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (kurt schrader)
31. 02:20 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (kurt schrader)
32. 02:40 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
33. 02:47 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Ben Baltrusaitis)
34. 03:01 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (customtrans@qwest.net)
35. 03:32 PM - MATCO BRAKES? (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
36. 04:12 PM - KF m4Tailwheel (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
37. 04:40 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (Fox5flyer)
38. 06:26 PM - Series 5 empty weights. was: Engine choices/ Read the story (Randy Daughenbaugh)
39. 08:31 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (DeWayne Clifford)
40. 09:07 PM - Re: Engine choices/ Read the story (Michael Gibbs)
41. 09:49 PM - Re: radiator cowl flap air control (Pete Sigrist)
42. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had
any suggestions on:
- securing the tanks between ribs
- plumbing into the main tank
Thanks,
B
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Happy New Year to Every one, -see you next year.
... eh! We are next year now! :-)
Godt nytt ar, Torgeir! Feliz ano nuevo, Michel G, Jose and other Hispanic
friends, and Happy New Year, dear Anglo-Saxon friends!
Michel
PS: Note that non-English characters are not printing on this list. Maybe
someone knows why.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Happy 2005 Michel and all the other list members!
As far as non-English characters printing on the list, it is because the
list can only deliver "plain text" characters, which are the first 128 ASCII
characters of the character set for most PCs. That is why you do not see any
formatting such as bold, underlining, umlauts, etc on list messages. When
the message is received by the list software, the extraneous information is
stripped and replaced with just simple characters.
The result is a message that can be translated by most PCs and email reader
software, but non-English characters are dropped or translated.
Sorry!
Don Pearsall, list janitor
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Year.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Happy New Year to Every one, -see you next year.
... eh! We are next year now! :-)
Godt nytt ar, Torgeir! Feliz ano nuevo, Michel G, Jose and other Hispanic
friends, and Happy New Year, dear Anglo-Saxon friends!
Michel
PS: Note that non-English characters are not printing on this list. Maybe
someone knows why.
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Subject: | Re: Electrical and throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>Would you please contact Bob Nucholls (b.nuckolls@cox.net) on the
> Aeroelectric List about your noise issue. He's interested in the details.
Done! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Roberto,
HA! Timing. I was just thinking about improving my
fuel system today. I am not going as far as building
new wing tanks and I certainly don't have all the
answers, but here are a few considerations.
If you do make your own tanks, you have the
opportunity to install flush gas caps like Don S. did.
Good little drag reducers. You can also install a
better vent system that doesn't spill onto your wings
and stain them.
Your plumbing to the main tank should be all down
hill, or you need a lowpoint drain/gascolator, or
header tank. I think it has been discovered that you
are best off running the lines down behind and under
the seats, then forward. Then add a low point
collector/drain.
You need to control the flow to the main tank with a
valve, or seal the main tank and vent it back to a
wing tank. Otherwise it will overflow from the
gravity feed.
Just some points to get you started...
Kurt S. S-5
--- Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
> model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
> straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had
> any suggestions on:
> - securing the tanks between ribs
> - plumbing into the main tank
>
> Thanks,
> B
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Subject: | Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Steve,
I am confused. Do you have to replace the entire
engine at TBO, or just rebuild it? How much does a
912 rebuild cost? Is it high like a certified engine
and that is why you are saying "replace it"?
Kurt S. S-5
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> Now here is another question: What generally goes
> bad on these engines when it comes time for rebuild.
> Reason why is mine has about 650 hrs. on the
> engine and if mainly the rings go bad, than maybe I
> should change the rings and call it good. OR, am
> I wasting my money doing the upgrade since in
> another 650 hrs. I will need another engine anyway?
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Roberto, one of the problems using aluminum for Kitfox wing tanks is that
the wings flex more than the average airplane which eventually causes the
aluminum to stress crack. It doesn't happen to all of them, but it is a
problem. My old model II had aluminum tanks and I never had a problem, but
the current owner contacted me recently and said that they're starting to
leak.
My suggestion would be to ensure that the tanks are not bonded directly to
the spars. Try to fit them into some sort of flexible bed so that the spars
can flex without affecting the tank itself. The original plans called for
setting them into a bed of silicone calking, but that wasn't good enough.
They still cracked. Another safegaurd would be to slosh them with one of
Kreme or Randolph products.
As for plumbing, I'd plumb it exactly like the later model IV on up using
the rear mounted header tank low behind the seat. That system has been very
successful.
Happy New Year everybody! May your building go smoothly and your parts
always arrive on time!
Darrel Morisse
List Janitor
>
> I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
> model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
> straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had
> any suggestions on:
> - securing the tanks between ribs
> - plumbing into the main tank
>
> Thanks,
> B
>
>
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Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robertocannino@yahoo.com writes:
<< I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing
caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went to
fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and
expense.
I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I
would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and
a
new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on
the wing.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Subject: | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Paul,
I did nothing to address shaking. It did shake a bit, but I never found it
excessive.
Cliff
>
> Cliff:
>
> Just curious; Does the high compression piston kit cause the same
> excessive
> shaking at start up and shut down the 912s is known for? I know you have
> done a lot to cure this with your engine, so I thought you might be the
> best
> person to ask.
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
> Model IV 912ul amphib
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Subject: | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I should clarify this; I think this comment from Lockwood came when we were
discussing the cylinders. It's been about a year and half since I had that
conversation, so the details are a little foggy. I don't think that they
were saying that you should run your 912 beyond 1500 hours before overhaul.
Cliff
> When you wrote "at overhaul, lockwood said that there were little wear on
> the engines at 1800 hrs." that says a bunch. Thanks.
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:00:53 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
The aluminum tanks have a rather wide flap on the leading edge of the tank that
called for riveting to the spar. Skystar told me the problems they had with the
aluminum tank installation was a result of drilling and riveting to close to
the inside seam of the tank. My Model II has the two 6 gal. aluminum tanks and
I have had no problem to date.
Dee
Model II
N345DY
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----- Original Message -----
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robertocannino@yahoo.com<mailto:robertocannino@yahoo.com> writes:
<< I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing
caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went
to
fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and
expense.
I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I
would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps and
a
new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on
the wing.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Subject: | Kitfox 4 Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Just a thought. I believe the FAA requires that the control not bottom out
but have 1/8 too a 1/4 gap at the panel, may be just on GA aircraft.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 Throttle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:25 AM 12/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> I think one weak spot might be the ball on the end of the carb cable
...........
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Subject: | Good article on Stalls / spins |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Shorty,
Good article! It makes several good points on safety!
Thanks,
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shortnaked
Subject: Kitfox-List: Good article on Stalls / spins
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "shortnaked" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>From Transport Canada
Everybody brushed up on Spins?
:) If you can not better learn
http://lazair.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=287
Shorty <---- trying to be a diplomatic person and helpful :)
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Subject: | model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Don,
How did you plum the vent to the bottom side of the wing? Particularly
interested in placement to the tank and then the vent itself.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
robertocannino@yahoo.com writes:
<< I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the wing
caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and went
to
fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and
expense.
I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks. I
would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps
and a
new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills on
the wing.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Subject: | Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
I have the glass see-through type fuel filters on my Subaru-powered Model IV, and
want to replace the filter elements. I've seen these referred to on the list
as Purolator filters, but have been unable to find them using Google. The
filters in Aircraft Spruce and Speciality as well as the ones at J.C. Whitney
have push-in type fittings on both ends to be used in rubber fuel lines. Mine
have threaded fittings to fit into my metal lines. I had hoped to get around
this by using just the replaceable filter elements in my present housings, but
the elements I purchased from J.C. Whitney are smaller than what I now have,
so I doubt they would work. Needless to say, I don't want to tear into something
that seems to be working just fine at present only to wind up with something
that doesn't work at all. I have no idea what brand my present filters are
as I didn't build the plane myself. It's possible that even if I find the Purolator
filters they won't match up either. Can anyone help me here? Thanks
in advance.
Clem Nichols
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Subject: | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Clem sometimes you don't have to go to the aviation side of the parts realm.
Good old Wal-mart in the boat section, glass see through filters with
threaded ends and the replacement filters are right beside them. The filter is
6.95
and the filter elements are in a 4 pack for about the same. Guys if your
useing these glass filters , whatever brand don't forget to saftey wire them. I
had
one come apart on my challenger and Gas went every where, scared the
daylights out of me , not to mention the pain in the Butt trying to get the 2 Stroke
oil off my paint
Best David
Cecil
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Subject: | Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I couldn't agree more. I want to clarify that reading this makes for a good
choice on a Rotax. I remember the days when I rode snowmobiles and the
Rotax engine was the choice. Even the boys with the Polaris would modify
the snowmobile to except the Rotax.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I should clarify this; I think this comment from Lockwood came when we were
discussing the cylinders. It's been about a year and half since I had that
conversation, so the details are a little foggy. I don't think that they
were saying that you should run your 912 beyond 1500 hours before overhaul.
Cliff
> When you wrote "at overhaul, lockwood said that there were little wear on
> the engines at 1800 hrs." that says a bunch. Thanks.
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it seems to me that a new
engine gives all the new mods, and you have the comfort of everything being
new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost as much as the new.
Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong, I'm open to have my mind
changed.
steve a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Steve,
I am confused. Do you have to replace the entire
engine at TBO, or just rebuild it? How much does a
912 rebuild cost? Is it high like a certified engine
and that is why you are saying "replace it"?
Kurt S. S-5
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> Now here is another question: What generally goes
> bad on these engines when it comes time for rebuild.
> Reason why is mine has about 650 hrs. on the
> engine and if mainly the rings go bad, than maybe I
> should change the rings and call it good. OR, am
> I wasting my money doing the upgrade since in
> another 650 hrs. I will need another engine anyway?
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Eric Tucker said at a Aircraft Engine Training Seminar, if he had a 912 he
would do annual condition inspections and at 2000 hours would pull the
engine, sell it and buy a new one. For whats it worth, thats what I plan on
doing. Clint
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Subject: | Earl's Oil Cooler Bracket |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hello All,
If anyone is interested, I have an oil cooler
mounting kit #1707ERL for an Earl's oil cooler. It is
new and still in the package. Please contact me off
list. If there is no interest, it will go on Ebay.
Happy New Year!
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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Subject: | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
If you have a "Carquest" in the area....they stock them.
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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Subject: | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Clem,
I have been looking at filters all week and decided on
these myself.
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1483&prmenbr=361
They are Pyrex bodied for better safety and the filter
element is cleanable/reusable. They have AN-06 ends,
or hose nipples, so use as you like. Note that they
have a 7 psi max pressure, so do not put on the
pressurised side of the pump. For the price, you can
keep them clean and never replace the element again.
Just clean it.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
> I have the glass see-through type fuel filters on my
> Subaru-powered Model IV, and want to replace the
> filter elements........
>
> Clem Nichols
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Subject: | balancing out the ailerons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I thought I would pass this little tip to the group. Since I am a model
airplane builder I thought I would use a device that I used for the wings on
a model plane on the Kitfox ailerons. It's a model incidence meter. It
clamps on the front and back of the wing(model) in this case the aileron and
you level the plane and level the meter for each side. Has a bubble and a
gauge, quick and simple, finds the cord of the wing or aileron dead on.
Mine is a robart model and I think they can be gotten for under 50 dollars.
I got mine through tower hobbies.
steve a
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Subject: | [Off topic] Character sets. WAS New Year. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Don Pearsall wrote:
> it is because the
> list can only deliver "plain text" characters, which are the first 128 ASCII
> characters of the character set for most PCs.
Thank you for the explanation, Don, and I agree, emails to the list should be
only in text-only "vanilla" ASCII. The thing is, 7-bit ASCII is enough to
represent all non-English characters. But the computer world is drowning in
different concepts like Unicode, MIME, UTF-8, etc. As long as they can't agree
to one standard, we'll have a mess.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Series 7 cowl |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Joel Mapes wrote:
> I place the photos in http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Finally, the photos are on the Matronics server, Joel. Thank you very much.
Interesting concept. I could have made my cowling in three parts that way. But
it is a bit late now.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: balancing out the ailerons |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
We should never underestimate modeling as a source,
IMHO. For Christmas, my daughters gave me a 2 CD
story of Burt Ratan's quest for space. It is
interesting to see Burt running around hand tossing a
model of his spaceship to see if it would work.
Did you know the first private spaceship astronaut was
a HS dropout?...
Many great ideas come from modelers/individuals. I
understand that about 80% of inventions come from
individuals, and 20% from institutions. Guess which
costs more?
We do that here too.
Kurt S.
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--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> I thought I would pass this little tip to the group.
> Since I am a model airplane builder I thought
> I would use a device that I used for the wings on
> a model plane on the Kitfox ailerons. It's a model
> incidence meter......
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/05 8:45:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
customtrans@qwest.net writes:
<< Don,
How did you plum the vent to the bottom side of the wing? Particularly
interested in placement to the tank and then the vent itself.
>>
When the tanks were cut open, I installed a fiberglass boss and fitting
at the top outboard end of the tank (near the filler). I then ran about 5' or
so of alum tubing through the wing and stopped about where the struts attach
to the wing. Bent the tubing downward and attached a compression fitting for
the pitot type vent (where the tubing exited the fabric). The pitot type vent
can be replaced via the compression fitting if needed.
One change I might would make is to extend the vent further out the wing
before coming down. When I taxi with full fuel and make a turn, fuel will
piss out the vents. However, it hit the ground and does not get on the fabric.
I don't know if going further would help that much. Of course, due to wing
dihedral, the further you go the higher above the tank it is????
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Subject: | Re: Glass "Purolator" Fuel Filters |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/05 9:22:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cnichols@scrtc.com writes:
<< something that doesn't work at all. I have no idea what brand my present
filters are as I didn't build the plane myself. It's possible that even if I
find the Purolator filters they won't match up either. Can an!
yone help me here? Thanks in advance.
>>
Many auto parts stores sell the replacement filter elements for the
Purolator. There is an off brand type that will fit but they are a bit tight.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Subject: | radiator cowl flap air control |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to
the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp
depending on what I am trying to achieve. I have the new waterless coolant
in the new engine set up and it works extremely well. I don't know how the
system would react to a major restriction/back pressure like a thermostat. I
want to make sure it is a fail safe type control that would go full open
should the control break. I think someone did and oil cooler control, maybe
I could expand the plan.
Thanks
Rick
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Subject: | Re: radiator cowl flap air control |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Rick,
I am still working on the design for my scoop
controller. But if you want an easy one for the
radiator, you can put a hinged door on the back side,
hinged at the bottom. If the cable breaks, it blows
back and falls down to stay open. Pull it up with a
cable to close it off. Easy??? Make sure and leave
drain holes for when it rains.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
> Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device
> to control air flow to
> the large NSI type radiator.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
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Subject: | Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
That does sound expensive Steve. I would hope by the
time you get there, it is rebuildable for less. But
for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger
pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp. Zero time
what components you can and run it as long as you can
after that.
I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding,
including all the new mods on the NSI.
It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built
of iron issues. My engine is a lot heavier, though
not as bad as some claim. But it also runs on lower
octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it
for cheap. The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake
so bad on start. It has the clutch and it is low
compression for the turbo.
So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which
engine is best for you.
I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for
1200 hrs and a lot of $. In 2400 hrs or so, my engine
pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I
accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs.
But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV. My friend
in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it
though....
Kurt S.
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it
> seems to me that a new engine gives all the new
mods,
> and you have the comfort of everything being
> new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost
> as much as the new.
> Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong,
> I'm open to have my mind changed.
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Re: radiator cowl flap air control |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/1/05 1:46:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
turboflyer@comcast.net writes:
<< Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow to
the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my temp
depending on what I am trying to achieve. I hav >>
Rick,
I will let you know in a couple weeks on my design. I have the
door/louvers on the back side of the rad. They run up/dn not cross ways. Also,
I have
"TWO" push/pull controls in the cockpit each controlling 1/2 the radiator
louvers. Like you, I wanted more pilot control over the airflow through the
radiator. This way, I can open half or all the radiator or, I can open each half
partially if necessary. I hinged each louver offset from the center so in
case of a cable breakage, each louver will fail open.
We will see soon, Report to follow.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Subject: | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru idea.
I see the 912s as the best for power to weight.
I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay those certified
parts prices when something needs to be replaced.
What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar site
since the V is discontinued.
Thanks!
Ben
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From: kurt schrader
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
That does sound expensive Steve. I would hope by the
time you get there, it is rebuildable for less. But
for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger
pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp. Zero time
what components you can and run it as long as you can
after that.
I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding,
including all the new mods on the NSI.
It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built
of iron issues. My engine is a lot heavier, though
not as bad as some claim. But it also runs on lower
octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it
for cheap. The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake
so bad on start. It has the clutch and it is low
compression for the turbo.
So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which
engine is best for you.
I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for
1200 hrs and a lot of $. In 2400 hrs or so, my engine
pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I
accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs.
But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV. My friend
in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it
though....
Kurt S.
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it
> seems to me that a new engine gives all the new
mods,
> and you have the comfort of everything being
> new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost
> as much as the new.
> Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong,
> I'm open to have my mind changed.
>
> steve a
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Subject: | Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
according to my data, the plane was 599 before refit. Now with the extra
weight of the landing gear and the IVO prop, I'm not sure. The wings are
going short, but I'm changing the right tank to 13 gallons. I'm sure I will
be close to that, but the actual weight when I take the reading will tell.
steve a.
Kitfox4 with 912 ul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben
Baltrusaitis
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru
idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight.
I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay
those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced.
What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar
site since the V is discontinued.
Thanks!
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: kurt schrader
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
That does sound expensive Steve. I would hope by the
time you get there, it is rebuildable for less. But
for now, I would recommend upgrading to the bigger
pistons as a good deal, if you want the hp. Zero time
what components you can and run it as long as you can
after that.
I am planning on $2-$3/hr for engine rebuilding,
including all the new mods on the NSI.
It is one of those best power to weight ratio vs built
of iron issues. My engine is a lot heavier, though
not as bad as some claim. But it also runs on lower
octane auto/boat gas (for floats) and I can rebuild it
for cheap. The thing sure is sturdy and doesn't shake
so bad on start. It has the clutch and it is low
compression for the turbo.
So, as usual, it all depends upon your mission which
engine is best for you.
I like the 914 too, but I think it is only good for
1200 hrs and a lot of $. In 2400 hrs or so, my engine
pays for itself compared to a 914, Lyc, or Cont, so I
accept its minor problems, weight, and up front costs.
But I agree, the NSI is a push for a KF-IV. My friend
in Portland and Steve in Canada seem happy with it
though....
Kurt S.
--- customtrans@qwest.net wrote:
> I haven't really looked into it very hard. But it
> seems to me that a new engine gives all the new
mods,
> and you have the comfort of everything being
> new. It would seem to me that the rebuilt is almost
> as much as the new.
> Like you said the certified engines. If I'm wrong,
> I'm open to have my mind changed.
>
> steve a
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
Been flying my Fox the past few days and noticed that the right break seems to
be sticking, pressure not releasing. It feels like the plane wants to break to
the right. The wheels still turn but with pressure. I also notice that my
break disk that are attached to the wheels have play. The other thing I noticed
is that the break pads don't seem to wear the same, not even! Any help? What
do I do??
Ray
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Been flying my Fox the past few days and noticed that the right break seems to
be sticking, pressure not releasing. It feels like the plane wants to break to
the right. The wheels still turn but with pressure. I also notice that my break
disk that are attached to the wheels have play. The other thing I noticed is
that the break pads don't seem to wear the same, not even! Any help? What do
I do??
Ray
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
I purchased a KF model4-1200-912ul from the original builder. It has about 630
hours on it and what looks like the original 6 inch by 2 inch solid tailwheel.
During taxiing the tailwheel seems to "kick out" when making moderate speed
turns. Does anyone know what side force should cause the tail wheel to kick
out and how to measure it and adjust it? Thanks,
Chuck
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Subject: | Re: radiator cowl flap air control |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Rick, go to Sportflight/uploads/improvements and check mine out. It might
give you some ideas.
There're about 4 pics under "Deke Morisse"
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: radiator cowl flap air control
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>
> Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow
to
> the large NSI type radiator. I would like to have total control over my
temp
> depending on what I am trying to achieve. I have the new waterless coolant
> in the new engine set up and it works extremely well. I don't know how the
> system would react to a major restriction/back pressure like a thermostat.
I
> want to make sure it is a fail safe type control that would go full open
> should the control break. I think someone did and oil cooler control,
maybe
> I could expand the plan.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
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Subject: | Series 5 empty weights. was: Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Ben,
Mine came in at 776 lbs with the 912S. I would like to think it is on the
light side.
I should have claimed 1320 for max gross, but the DAR told me I could change
it later.
Randy
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Baltrusaitis
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices/ Read the story
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
What do you guys like for the V? I need the payload, but like the Subaru
idea. I see the 912s as the best for power to weight.
I've seen two with the O-200 Cont., but that is heavy and I hate to pay
those certified parts prices when something needs to be replaced.
What are common empty weights for the V? I can't find that on the Skystar
site since the V is discontinued.
Thanks!
Ben
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Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
Don , I would be very interested in a drawing of your tank venting .
DeWayne at kitfox@bresnan.net
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From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/1/05 12:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> robertocannino@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << I'm planning to fabricate aluminum wing tanks for my
> model IV. Position and displacement appear pretty
> straight forward, but I was wondering if anyone had >>
>
> I think the early Kitfox had alum tanks but the design/flex of the
wing
> caused cracks. That is why (I think) Skystar dumped the alum tanks and
went to
> fiberglass. Check the history before you go to all that hard work and
> expense.
> I used a different approach and rebuilt my existing fiberglass tanks.
I
> would do a couple things different if I had it to do again but, I think my
> tanks are solid as a rock. I also have the nonvented recessed filler caps
and a
> new vent tube on the bottom side of the wing. Works great with no spills
on
> the wing.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine choices/ Read the story |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>Just curious; Does the high compression piston kit cause the same excessive
>shaking at start up and shut down the 912s is known for?
With proper starting technique (crank with enrichment valve pulled
and ignitions off for a few seconds to prime it, release the
enrichment valve and wait 10-20 seconds, switch on ignitions and
crank) there's no reason you need to experience the start-up shake.
In the almost 70 hours I put on my 912S I never had any trouble with
excessive shaking or vibration.
It's a terrific engine!
Mike G.
N728KF
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Subject: | Re: radiator cowl flap air control |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
Rick,
Look in the Sept. 2004 LEAF (Leading Edge Airfoils) catalog on page 34. They
have a louver device with a push/pull cockpit control that will regulate the
airflow through the radiator. Cost $65.00 LEAF is the same company as Wag
Aero in Lyons WI.
pete
>
> Just hopeful someone has designed a flap type device to control air flow
to
> the large NSI type radiator.
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following URL:
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