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1. 04:19 AM - Re: cutting exhaust pipe (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:50 AM - Re: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 05:14 AM - Tank Vents (Bob Unternaehrer)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Tank Vents (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 05:49 AM - Tank Vents (Dee Young)
7. 06:45 AM - SV: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees (Michel Verheughe)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (~~Shorty~~)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Don Pearsall)
10. 07:32 AM - Re: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees (Fox5flyer)
11. 07:42 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (~~Shorty~~)
12. 12:34 PM - Re: Primer Info for a 912ULS (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
13. 03:35 PM - Re: Registering and paperwork (Flybradair@cs.com)
14. 05:02 PM - Hello list (Pete Sigrist)
15. 05:55 PM - Re: Hello list (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 07:22 PM - Re: Registering and paperwork (kirk hull)
17. 07:59 PM - Right fabric door panel lost (Jeff Smathers)
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| Subject: | Re: cutting exhaust pipe |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/3/05 11:03:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
<< The exhausts you looked at at the airport must point
90 degrees to the line of flight, then be cut at 45
degrees, right?, If it were pointed aft, why cut it?
Kurt S.
>>
Kurt,
You are correct, there were several pointing straight aft and cut square.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Great presentation Kurt. I've noticed by watching the Van's RVs that many
of them have their exhaust extended to mid cabin and running straight back
while being faired nicely with only the tips showing. The reasons being to
reduce noise and to take advantage of any thrust provided by the exhaust.
In my opinion, any increase in thrust or efficiency, no matter how small, if
it isn't canceled out by something else, is a good thing. If it's free
power, why not take advantage of it?
Deke
> I think we wandered off into apples vs oranges vs
> (sour) grapes here. And no, I am not mad. Just
> having fun with this seldom addressed topic. Really!
> :-)
>
> First, cutting the tip probably won't do much except
> lower the volume a little and scatter the plume a bit
> too. I forgot what I did, so looking at my picture, I
> just have a 90 degree cut. But I did squash the
> exposed pipe a bit to make it more aerodynamic.
...chopped...
> Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/4/05 4:39:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes:
<< Great presentation Kurt. I've noticed by watching the Van's RVs that many
of them have their exhaust extended to mid cabin and running straight back
while being faired nicely with only the tips showing. The reasons being to
>>
I second that. During my cowl mods, I had to add a short extension to
my muffler tail pipe to get it away from the new rad intake. As it turned out,
it's taking about a 45 degree backward slope ( I guess a good thing). I
haven't cut the tip so it's still square. I will probably cut it to get that
extra little (how ever much) improvement. Every little bit helps.
I considered running the exhaust pipe horizontally all the way back to
the tailwheel and then pointing it at a 45 degree to the ground. This way, when
full throttle was applied, the tailwheel would come up immediately and allow
takeoff's is under 10'. Just Kidding.
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Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
<<<<< Don,
Ever thought about going all the way to the wing tip and using a nacca vent
out the top or side? The Lancair 4-P is using this concept in the side of
the winglet.
Lloyd >>
The Cessna 150 and 172's use a check valve in the vent line, installed right at
the tank.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/4/05 5:15:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
shilohcom@c-magic.com writes:
<< The Cessna 150 and 172's use a check valve in the vent line, installed
right at the tank.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer >>
Bob,
I considered a check valve but really not sure which way I would want to
check the flow. I want air to enter the tank via the vent for normal flight
but I also want the air to exit the tank when sitting out in the hot sun. The
air needs to go both ways depending on the situation so, which way would you
install the check.
I have seen my tanks drip through the vent on hot days with full tanks.
Obviously, my below the wing vents aren't quite as high as the standard Fox
vented cap.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:47:56 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Something has worked well for me is I purchased a small automotive vacuum type
check valve. I has a nipple on each side with 1/8 dia. hole in each nipple. The
area where the check valve is contained is about the size of a nickel thus the
thing is shaped something like a top you would spin with your fingers. I drilled
a small hole in the top of the wind screen at the highest point possible
and secured it to the to wind screen. The vent hose comes up from the header
tank and is routed along the wing root and plugs in to the bottom nipple with
the other nipple sticking out of the wind screen. The check valve allows air in
but doesn't want to let fuel out. I have seen a few drops of fuel on my screen
only one time. I use 100LL so its very obvious if a leak happens. Maybe this
is a good way for someone else also.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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---- Original Message -----
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tank Vents
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/4/05 5:15:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
shilohcom@c-magic.com<mailto:shilohcom@c-magic.com> writes:
<< The Cessna 150 and 172's use a check valve in the vent line, installed
right at the tank.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer >>
Bob,
I considered a check valve but really not sure which way I would want to
check the flow. I want air to enter the tank via the vent for normal flight
but I also want the air to exit the tank when sitting out in the hot sun. The
air needs to go both ways depending on the situation so, which way would you
install the check.
I have seen my tanks drip through the vent on hot days with full tanks.
Obviously, my below the wing vents aren't quite as high as the standard Fox
vented cap.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> This way, when full throttle was applied, the tailwheel would come up
> immediately and allow takeoff's is under 10'.
I would then suggest the exhaust pipes to be ball-swivelled and omni-directional.
That way we could even have a ... VTOL Kitfox ... landing in the garden of
Pamela Anderson!
> Just Kidding.
... Not me! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
http://www.qksrv.net/click-1622388-8417593?loc=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D4516102651%26category%3D63679%26sspagename%3DWDVW
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Thanks for the link, Shorty. The seller calls it a Kitfox "Clone", but there
are some very real differences. Ailerons, instead of flaperons, wire tail
supports, negative dihedral wing (or is it drooping?). Real stubby nose,
kind of like a Cub. Almost like an ultralight.
Too bad it is not completed. I love to see individual designs like this.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ~~Shorty~~
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
http://www.qksrv.net/click-1622388-8417593?loc=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot
ors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D4516102651%26category%3D63
679%26sspagename%3DWDVW
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| Subject: | Re: re cutting exhaust at 45 degrees |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Vectored thrusters?
> > This way, when full throttle was applied, the tailwheel would come up
> > immediately and allow takeoff's is under 10'.
>
> I would then suggest the exhaust pipes to be ball-swivelled and
omni-directional. That way we could even have a ... VTOL Kitfox ... landing
in the garden of Pamela Anderson!
>
> > Just Kidding.
>
> ... Not me! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Don,
Did you ever see a Raven?
Avid -KF clone used to be plans sold for scratch build.
I have flown one that and real nice 2 seater with 503 weighs about 430 lbs.
Not sure if the plans still around but i bet if there were they would sell.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Thanks for the link, Shorty. The seller calls it a Kitfox "Clone", but
there
> are some very real differences. Ailerons, instead of flaperons, wire tail
> supports, negative dihedral wing (or is it drooping?). Real stubby nose,
> kind of like a Cub. Almost like an ultralight.
>
> Too bad it is not completed. I love to see individual designs like this.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ~~Shorty~~
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for sale
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
>
http://www.qksrv.net/click-1622388-8417593?loc=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot
>
ors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D4516102651%26category%3D63
> 679%26sspagename%3DWDVW
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> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Info for a 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
-------------- Original message from David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>: --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa
>
> Gang, I have a 912 ULS on a 5 and ordered the primer kit. My Bing Carbs
> have no fitting for the primer. There is a banjo bolt just above the bowl
> on the aft side of the carb. This bolt is inboard(the intake and carbs
> were swapped sides as part of the instructions). Is this where the
> fitting goes? Is this fitting a standard fitting I can get from ACS? Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
> C. David Estapa
> S5 TD N97DE (3 more months)
Hi,
If you look next the carb bowls there is a small attachment that is an optional
point for carb sync.! that location is the attachment for the primer line hook
up. It is also directly behind the rubber gasket that attaches to the manifold
intake this location will be on the flat side of the carb bowls. I'm sure
you know that the primer will pull from the gascolator then inject to the carbs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-------------- Original message from David Estapa davestapa@juno.com: --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa <DAVESTAPA@JUNO.COM>
Gang, I have a 912 ULS on a 5 and ordered the primer kit. My Bing Carbs
have no fitting for the primer. There is a banjo bolt just above the bowl
on the aft side of the carb. This bolt is inboard(the intake and carbs
were swapped sides as part of the instructions). Is this where the
fitting goes? Is this fitting a standard fitting I can get from ACS? Any
help would be appreciated.
C. David Estapa
S5 TD N97DE (3 more months)
Hi,
If you look next the carb bowlsthereis a small attachment that is an optional point
for carb sync.! that location is theattachment for the primerline hook up.
It isalso directly behind the rubber gasket that attaches to the manifold intake
this location will be on the flat side of the carb bowls. I'm sure you know
that the primer will pull fromthe gascolator then inject to the carbs.
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| Subject: | Re: Registering and paperwork |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Thanks for the info Randy,
Sent request in on-line. When I am assigned one I will send in the rest of
the paperwork.
Brad
In a message dated 1/3/05 8:53:02 PM Central Standard Time,
rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes:
> Subj: RE: Kitfox-List: Registering and paperwork
> Date:1/3/05 8:53:02 PM Central Standard Time
> From:rjdaugh@rapidnet.com
> Reply-to:kitfox-list@matronics.com
> To:kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <
> rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Brad,
> I don't remember which ones those forms are. I think I sent in several when
> I reserved my number. If you want your choice of numbers, you have to send
> in $10 more.
>
> Go to:
> http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*69416808!_h-www.landings.com/_landin
> gs/pages/search.html
>
> ...to check for what numbers are available.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Flybradair@cs.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Registering and paperwork
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
> Need to get the paperwork started.
>
> I have picked up the amateur-built packet from the local FSDO and want to
> make sure I don't screw it up to bad.
>
> I have no N-number reserved so I am starting from the beginning.
>
> Would I first need to submit a letter for the special N number then wait
> for
> the FAA to send a number back to me before sending in 8050-88,8050-2, and
> 8050-1 for the registration process?
>
> Or......
>
> Could I send in request for N number along with forms 8050-88,8050-1, and
> 8050-2 with N number left blank?
>
> Or.....
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Brad Martin
> Wichita
> 5-lyc o-235
> Wiring almost done.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
Hi everyone. My name is Pete Sigrist and I'm relatively new to the list. Last summer
I bought a mostly finished KF IV- 1050 with a 912 UL. The kit was started
in 92 or 93 by a Robert Best in San Jose CA. Then it passed through several
hands before I got it. I would guess it's about 95% done and as "they" say, about
95% to go. In the meantime, I fly a RANS S-12 with a 582 out of a small private
field south of San Diego near the mexican border.
So far I've learned quite a lot from your postings. Thanks!
I do have a couple of questions.
Does anyone know Robert Best or have any info about him?
When a stock GSC prop is bolted to the flange of the 912, do the bolts go directly
into the machined aluminum hub or is there a round plate between the bolt
heads and the hub.
Thanks again
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/4/05 5:02:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, psigrist@cox.net
writes:
<<
When a stock GSC prop is bolted to the flange of the 912, do the bolts go
directly into the machined aluminum hub or is there a round plate between the
bolt heads and the hub.
Thanks again
>>
Pete,
I seem to remember that a round plate is called for. I was just at the
airport today looking at mine. I fabricated mine from 1/4" alum plate.
Welcome to the list.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Registering and paperwork |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
no , you must get the N # first. the hole process will probably take over
a month
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Need to get the paperwork started.
I have picked up the amateur-built packet from the local FSDO and want to
make sure I don't screw it up to bad.
I have no N-number reserved so I am starting from the beginning.
Would I first need to submit a letter for the special N number then wait
for
the FAA to send a number back to me before sending in 8050-88,8050-2, and
8050-1 for the registration process?
Or......
Could I send in request for N number along with forms 8050-88,8050-1, and
8050-2 with N number left blank?
Or.....
Any suggestions?
Brad Martin
Wichita
5-lyc o-235
Wiring almost done.
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| Subject: | Right fabric door panel lost |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi all,
I need to replace the fabric covered door panel with the
sewn pocket that SS sells. I lost mine last summer when the
velcro gave way just enough to pucker a hole into the airstream,
it then inflated in about 1/2 second and then ripped itself away and
landed in some field that was just plowed about 75 miles from
home.
Mine was a cordura blue. Any ideas?
Thanks, Jeff Smathers
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