---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/07/05: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:47 AM - Re: Right fabric door panel lost (Howard Firm) 2. 03:26 AM - 912 UL Icing (Jimmie Blackwell) 3. 06:01 AM - Kitfox 4 engine upgrade (Ron & Nancy Smith) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: 912 UL Icing (flier) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: 912 UL Icing (Steve Magdic) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: 912 UL Icing (Lowell Fitt) 7. 07:38 AM - Re: 912 UL Icing (Jimmie Blackwell) 8. 10:40 AM - Re: 912 UL Icing (flier) 9. 11:13 AM - Re: 912 UL Icing (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 10. 01:38 PM - Desert Fox Squadron (Jeffrey Puls) 11. 02:01 PM - Broken Kitfox II tail spring (kitfox@simnet.is) 12. 02:06 PM - I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Rex & Jan Shaw) 13. 02:26 PM - Re: Broken Kitfox II tail spring (Ben Baltrusaitis) 14. 02:42 PM - Re: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade () 15. 02:48 PM - Engine coatings?? 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(flier) 18. 03:13 PM - Re: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade (Michel Verheughe) 19. 03:19 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Bill Pleso) 20. 03:48 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 21. 04:17 PM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Fox5flyer) 22. 04:22 PM - [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)) 23. 04:29 PM - Re: Sport Planes (kirk hull) 24. 05:25 PM - Re: Sport Planes (customtrans@qwest.net) 25. 05:31 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Bill Pleso) 26. 06:52 PM - Re: Engine coatings?? (Don Pearsall) 27. 10:17 PM - Re: Sport Planes (Steve Cooper) 28. 10:17 PM - Re: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade (Steve Cooper) 29. 11:17 PM - Re: Desert Fox Squadron (Thomas Lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:20 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Right fabric door panel lost --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Send your mailing address and I'll have them out today! I have the bubble doors, so no need for them. Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Smathers" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Right fabric door panel lost > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers > > Wow! thanks Howard ! > > I will send you a check for $20. for the shipping and hassle, > hows that? What did you end up using in your plane then? > > Jeff Smathers > > Howard Firm wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > > > I did use the grip...works great with the PPT & CAP!!! > > Free panels by the way! > > > > Howard Firm > > 508 12th St. South > > Virginia MN 55792 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Smathers" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Right fabric door panel lost > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers > > > > > > Hi Howard, > > > > > > Grey huh? I'll ask my wife Tina if the off color scheme would > > > be OK for her taste. ( I don't really mind. ) How much do you want > > > for them? > > > > > > BTW did you mount that MAC5 grip into your airplane yet? > > > I'd like to see some photos too! > > > > > > Thanks, Jeff Smathers Molalla, Oregon 125hr TT N456JT > > > > > > Howard Firm wrote: > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > > > > > > > I have them, but they are grey!!! > > > > > > > > Howard Firm > > > > 508 12th St. South > > > > Virginia MN 55792 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jeff Smathers" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Right fabric door panel lost > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I need to replace the fabric covered door panel with the > > > > > sewn pocket that SS sells. I lost mine last summer when the > > > > > velcro gave way just enough to pucker a hole into the airstream, > > > > > it then inflated in about 1/2 second and then ripped itself away and > > > > > landed in some field that was just plowed about 75 miles from > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > Mine was a cordura blue. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jeff Smathers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:38 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" I am a bit confused about whether carb icing is a significant issue with the 912 UL. I do not have carb heat and having looked at 7 other Kitfoxes with 912's, none of them had carb heat. Is the 912 immune to carb icing or are most of us just accepting the risk? Jimmie ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:27 AM PST US From: "Ron & Nancy Smith" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron & Nancy Smith" I recently bought a flying kitfox 4 with a rotax 582. I want to put the A/C on amphib floats, and the 582 doesn't have the horses. It seems to me that the Jabiru engine is the most cost effective for greater hp. Can The Jabiru 3300 be put in a kitfox 4, or is the 2200 a better option. I would like to sell or trade my present engine. What could I expect to get for the 582 firewall forward with a GSC prop, presently 35 hours on the engine. I also would appreciate other suggestions for engine alternatives. Thanks, Ron ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:32 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Jimmie, I'm pretty sure the only foxes known to ice (with the 912) have been those that have the carb heat installation. Common belief is that pulling the warmer air from the back of the cowl is better than pulling the cold air from the front with the carb heat setup. If someone out there has ever had their 912 ice, let us know... Thanks, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > >I am a bit confused about whether carb icing is a significant issue with the 912 UL. I do not have carb heat and having looked at 7 other Kitfoxes with 912's, none of them had carb heat. > >Is the 912 immune to carb icing or are most of us just accepting the risk? > >Jimmie > > >_- ====================================================== =============== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== =============== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== =============== > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" My 912UL seems prone to ice when the engine rpm is brought up before a complete warm up. During the Wisconsin winter months I regularly use the carb heat on take off. I have had to use it on that occasional cross country when the temp/dew point are just right also. I'm running a single K&N tapered air cleaner with a 3" opening and the carb hose connections are 2 1/2". I have been told that if I remove all the hoses and run separate air cleaners the problem will go away but I haven't tried that yet. Steve M Model 3 -----Original Message----- From: flier [mailto:FLIER@sbcglobal.net] Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Jimmie, I'm pretty sure the only foxes known to ice (with the 912) have been those that have the carb heat installation. Common belief is that pulling the warmer air from the back of the cowl is better than pulling the cold air from the front with the carb heat setup. If someone out there has ever had their 912 ice, let us know... Thanks, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > >I am a bit confused about whether carb icing is a significant issue with the 912 UL. I do not have carb heat and having looked at 7 other Kitfoxes with 912's, none of them had carb heat. > >Is the 912 immune to carb icing or are most of us just accepting the risk? > >Jimmie > > >_- ====================================================== =============== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== =============== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== =============== > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:53 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Jimmie, As the two previous posts have indicated, those with the standard early 1990's induction system - single filter with heat box and front cowl air pick-up will experience carb icing from time to time. Those that have bitten the bullet and removed the induction system and gone to two carb mounted filters do not. there was some discussion a few years ago from some of the Alaska trip crew that they got a sort of burp or momentary cough to the engine that they thought might have been an icing problem. It didn't seem to cause a drop in power - RPM as carb ice typically does, though. I haven't had the carb heat system in my IV since day one and have had no problems that I could attribute to carb ice (670 hours). My feeling is that more than 90% of Kitfoxes have no carb heat system and if it were a problem, we would have heard of it by now. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > > I am a bit confused about whether carb icing is a significant issue with the 912 UL. I do not have carb heat and having looked at 7 other Kitfoxes with 912's, none of them had carb heat. > > Is the 912 immune to carb icing or are most of us just accepting the risk? > > Jimmie > > > BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > ------------------------------------------------------ > Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 72522786) is spam: > Spam: http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=s&i=72522786&m=9031b59f3b0e > Not spam: http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=n&i=72522786&m=9031b59f3b0e > Forget vote: http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=f&i=72522786&m=9031b59f3b0e > ------------------------------------------------------ > END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:55 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" My plane has two air cleaners, but they are only about 3" diameter. Most Kitfox airplanes that I have seen use much larger diameter air cleaners. Does anyone know if the size of the air cleaner matters in terms of carb icing. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Magdic" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" > > My 912UL seems prone to ice when the engine rpm is brought up before a > complete warm up. During the Wisconsin winter months I regularly use the > carb heat on take off. I have had to use it on that occasional cross > country when the temp/dew point are just right also. > I'm running a single K&N tapered air cleaner with a 3" opening and the > carb hose connections are 2 1/2". > I have been told that if I remove all the hoses and run separate air cleaners > the problem will go away but I haven't tried that yet. > Steve M > Model 3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: flier [mailto:FLIER@sbcglobal.net] > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" > > Jimmie, > > I'm pretty sure the only foxes known to ice (with the > 912) have been those that have the carb heat > installation. Common belief is that pulling the > warmer air from the back of the cowl is better than > pulling the cold air from the front with the carb > heat setup. > > If someone out there has ever had their 912 ice, let > us know... > > Thanks, > > Ted > > > --- Original Message --- > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie > Blackwell" > > > >I am a bit confused about whether carb icing is a > significant issue with the 912 UL. I do not have > carb heat and having looked at 7 other Kitfoxes with > 912's, none of them had carb heat. > > > >Is the 912 immune to carb icing or are most of us > just accepting the risk? > > > >Jimmie > > > > > >_- > ====================================================== > =============== > Contributions > any other > Forums. > >_- > ====================================================== > =============== > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > list > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > >_- > ====================================================== > =============== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:00 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" My opinion is that it shouldn't Jimmie. I ran the small filters for a few yrs then went to the larger pancake filters just to ease intake flow. Couldn't really tell a difference in performance. Regards --- Original Message --- From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > >My plane has two air cleaners, but they are only about 3" diameter. Most ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:50 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net when I went to the large pancake filter and removed the Carb heat option I realized about a 300 rpm increase. A couple of caveats: I cruise at 5200-5400 as recommended by Eric Tucker. I am sure that cruising at a lower speed would result in a lesser increase (less sucking going on). Going from the "pucks" to the "pancakes" would not generate as big a boost either. I guess one could measure surface area and make some guess as to the effect, John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" > > My opinion is that it shouldn't Jimmie. I ran the > small filters for a few yrs then went to the larger > pancake filters just to ease intake flow. Couldn't > really tell a difference in performance. > > Regards > > --- Original Message --- > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie > Blackwell" > > > >My plane has two air cleaners, but they are only > about 3" diameter. Most > > > > > > when I went to the large pancake filter and removed the Carb heat option I realized about a 300 rpm increase. A couple of caveats: I cruise at 5200-5400 as recommended by Eric Tucker. I am sure that cruising at a lower speed would result in a lesser increase (less sucking going on). Going from the "pucks" to the "pancakes" would not generate as big a boost either. I guess one could measure surface area and make some guess as to the effect, John Kerr Logan UT -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" My opinion is that it shouldn't Jimmie. I ran the small filters for a few yrs then went to the larger pancake filters just to ease intake flow. Couldn't really tell a difference in performance. Regards --- Original Message --- From: "Jimmie Blackwell" To: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Icing -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" My plane has two air cleaners, but they are only about 3" diameter. Most > fox-list ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:14 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Kitfox-List: Desert Fox Squadron --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" I have a friend that has a Classic IV Speedster that lives in Ohio with me. He is spending the winter in Phoenix. He would like to visit the Desert Fox Squadron. Does anyone have a contact number? Thanks, Jeff Classic IV. Jeffrey Puls pulsair@mindspring.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:23 PM PST US From: kitfox@simnet.is Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfox II tail spring --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is Hello people and happy new year. I recantly broke the tailwheel "leaf spring" on me Kitfox II(#220). It was the original one, a single blade (1,25"wide)and the wheel is an original solid Maule rubber wheel. I borrowed a spring from a KF III that is curently beeing rebuilt. It is a two blade spring but to put it on my KF II I need to modify the fastening system for the spring. I have contacted Skystar and they say that both these spring types are obsolete and they have designed a new three pice spring, costs 125 usd. I am now waiting for them to send me a picture of this new spring. What is your experience, wich kind of tailwheel spring is best for the KF II ? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:31 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has come up before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate are made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design places the valve inline with a stud. Rex. Classic IV rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:39 PM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfox II tail spring --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Hey kitfox@simnet.is , We have spring shops in my town where you can take in your old broken spring and they will make you a new one for much less than 125 bucks. If you tell them you want a 3-leaf setup, they will do that, too. Just don't tell them it's for a plane! (Off road vehicle is usually safe-which it is!). Here is something one of our Acroduster Too guys is trying: http://starduster.com/wwwboard/messages/22432.html Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: kitfox@simnet.is To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfox II tail spring --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is Hello people and happy new year. I recantly broke the tailwheel "leaf spring" on me Kitfox II(#220). It was the original one, a single blade (1,25"wide)and the wheel is an original solid Maule rubber wheel. I borrowed a spring from a KF III that is curently beeing rebuilt. It is a two blade spring but to put it on my KF II I need to modify the fastening system for the spring. I have contacted Skystar and they say that both these spring types are obsolete and they have designed a new three pice spring, costs 125 usd. I am now waiting for them to send me a picture of this new spring. What is your experience, wich kind of tailwheel spring is best for the KF II ? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:24 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ron: A friend switched his Avid Mark IV over to a Jabiru after flying on a 582 for years. He too wanted to go to floats, although just straight (non-amphib) type. He liked the Jabiru for it's fuel economy, smoothness, and reliability. The first year he operated on wheels. But the second year when he put it on floats he was disappointed with the performance. Even solo in that light Avid airframe (530 lbs on wheels if I remember correctly) it was underpowered. He crashed the airplane shortly after it was put on floats in an accident that happened from hitting large waves after not being able to lift off in a reasonable distance. It was his opinion that the engine just doesn't develop enough thrust for what a seaplane needs (a seaplane needs all the thrust as you can get). Consequently large diameter props are typically required. The Jab spins too many rpm's to turn a long propellor efficiently. Possibly the larger Jabiru might work better, but I believe it also runs higher rpms without aid of a gearbox (??). So that one I'm not sure about. But if it were me I'd go with the sure thing for a Model IV amphib, the 100 hp 912 Rotax. And if your floats and airframe are light, even that 582 will work ok. I've flown lots of Avids and Kitfoxes on straight floats with 532-582 engines. They are great performers off the water with that engine, so they will still be ok as an amphib I'm sure. But that 912s will put you in the Supercub class. But....this is just my opinion after flying Avids and Kitfoxes for 1200+ hours, mostly on floats... Paul Seehafer Central Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Nancy Smith" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron & Nancy Smith" > > I recently bought a flying kitfox 4 with a rotax 582. I want to put the > A/C on amphib floats, and the 582 doesn't have the horses. It seems to me > that the Jabiru engine is the most cost effective for greater hp. Can The > Jabiru 3300 be put in a kitfox 4, or is the 2200 a better option. I would > like to sell or trade my present engine. What could I expect to get for > the 582 firewall forward with a GSC prop, presently 35 hours on the > engine. I also would appreciate other suggestions for engine > alternatives. Thanks, Ron > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:08 PM PST US From: "*" Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" Hi All As I go through the details of my Classic IV w/ NSI clean-up. I would like to explore the area of engine coatings. The orange paint that is on the NSI engine is pealing in a few spots and as I am a bit of a stickler for the details I would like to recoat the engine The idea of painting an engine block, cylinders, heads in the automotive and motorcyle worlds is full of opinions. Painting, powder coating, ceramic coatings, plating... What is your opinion???? The spectum is wide. From a rattle can of engine paint from AutoZone to sending it out for ceramic coating. Some say the color should be flat black and will aid in the heat disipation. I have been researching online for the afternoon, but would like some opinions. Thanks greg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:13 PM PST US From: Norm Beauchamp Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Kitfox II tail spring --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp I have a double leaf for a series 5 that I didn't use. I don't know if can be modified to use on a II, if so the price would be darn site cheaper. Norm > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:09 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" I'm using an EA81 in my Nieuport. I decided to go with uncoated block and heads and I powder coated the valve covers and oil pan. Here's a pic http://www.foxflier.com/nieuport/2004/Jan/P1260004.jpg BTW, the engine has been run and has been setting now for a couple of yrs while finishing the plane. The uncoated block ages well. EasyOff oven cleaner will clean up the block & heads nicely -- just don't get it on the aluminum pistons or internal stuff! If you want to paint the block and heads, a good two part automotive paint looks good and lasts longer than the one-part 'engine' paints. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "*" Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings?? >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" > >Hi All > >As I go through the details of my Classic IV w/ NSI clean-up. I would like >to explore the area of engine coatings. > >The orange paint that is on the NSI engine is pealing in a few spots and as >I am a bit of a stickler for the details I would like to recoat the engine > >The idea of painting an engine block, cylinders, heads in the automotive and >motorcyle worlds is full of opinions. Painting, powder coating, ceramic >coatings, plating... > >What is your opinion???? > >The spectum is wide. From a rattle can of engine paint from AutoZone to >sending it out for ceramic coating. > >Some say the color should be flat black and will aid in the heat disipation. > >I have been researching online for the afternoon, but would like some >opinions. > >Thanks >greg > > >_- ====================================================== =============== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== =============== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== =============== > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:03 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe av8rps@tznet.com wrote: > But....this is just my opinion after flying Avids and Kitfoxes for 1200+ > hours, mostly on floats... As I am half way between a 582 and a Jabiru, and reading much on the Jabiru list, your opinion seems right on the spot, Paul! I think I will love my Jabiru but I don't think it is the engine for a amphibian model 4. At least, not the Jab 2200. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Pleso" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" pressureization of the tanks. Better yet give the tube a 45-60 deg slash facing forward to get slight ram air influence. Dont let it stick down too I have 2 questions. Don't the vents under the wing tend to siphon fuel out when the tanks are full? Why does cutting the tubes at an angle enhance the ram air function? Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:07 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/7/05 3:20:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, bill77@cox.net writes: << pressureization of the tanks. Better yet give the tube a 45-60 deg slash facing forward to get slight ram air influence. Dont let it stick down too I have 2 questions. Don't the vents under the wing tend to siphon fuel out when the tanks are full? Why does cutting the tubes at an angle enhance the ram air function? Bill do not archive >> I must have missed some of this....I have the bottom wing tank vents and they do not siphon fuel. Cutting the tubes at an angle was concerning the exhaust pipe not fuel vents. Did I miss something in the transfer of subject matter? Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:43 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8 inch wheels were all aluminum as far as I know. Then again, I might be wrong about this as some steel units may have been supplied. Mine were definitely aluminum though supplied by Denny. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has come up > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate are > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design places the > valve inline with a stud. > Rex. > Classic IV > > rexjan@bigpond.com > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:18 PM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Subject: Kitfox-List: [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle) Dear Listers, Tonight, Friday 1/7/2005 at 7pm PDT, I will be working with my Internet Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate into the depths of the Internet. If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of the update or around 8pm PDT. Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even notice! :-) Thanks for your patience! Matt Dralle List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:19 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" Only a couple of problems that I can . First of all you dont need an STC (supplemental type certificate) for an experimental as we have no type certificate to supplement. Second of all if you deregister your aircraft and the re register it with the new weight limit you want you should not have any problems. just a lot of work and ofcourse a new 40 hour test time. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Lowell, This one suprised me too. When this FAA rep/member told our club how to do it, I specifically asked him pointed home-built questions after the meeting. It seems that he is prepared now to clear the way for the club to STC a manufactured plane. But this is not the FAA rep that signed my KitFox off and I don't know him well enough to say it is written in stone. I would like to see a home-built STC'd to Sport Flight status before I totally believe it. But I throw this out to you all as a subject anyone can address with their FAA rep and see if it sells. Kurt S. --- Lowell Fitt wrote: > Kurt, I have not followed this whole issue that > closely as my airplane is a IV with the 1200 lb gross > wt, but it seems this is in opposition to other > information we have had in the past. It is my > experience that FAA guys sometimes will tell us > certain things and then sometimes forget what they > told us after a while. Just curious, but is your > source willing to put his information in writing for > the sake of the club and then put his name on it. > Not many are willing to do that. > > Lowell __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:57 PM PST US From: customtrans@qwest.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net This confuses me, reregister the aircraft. Are you saying you can start all over with the certification of the aircraft, can I even get a repairmans cert. of such. If so tell me how? I want to do this with my 4. Now remember, I'm rebuilding the fox and I can prove over 51% build. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" Only a couple of problems that I can . First of all you dont need an STC (supplemental type certificate) for an experimental as we have no type certificate to supplement. Second of all if you deregister your aircraft and the re register it with the new weight limit you want you should not have any problems. just a lot of work and ofcourse a new 40 hour test time. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Lowell, This one suprised me too. When this FAA rep/member told our club how to do it, I specifically asked him pointed home-built questions after the meeting. It seems that he is prepared now to clear the way for the club to STC a manufactured plane. But this is not the FAA rep that signed my KitFox off and I don't know him well enough to say it is written in stone. I would like to see a home-built STC'd to Sport Flight status before I totally believe it. But I throw this out to you all as a subject anyone can address with their FAA rep and see if it sells. Kurt S. --- Lowell Fitt wrote: > Kurt, I have not followed this whole issue that > closely as my airplane is a IV with the 1200 lb gross > wt, but it seems this is in opposition to other > information we have had in the past. It is my > experience that FAA guys sometimes will tell us > certain things and then sometimes forget what they > told us after a while. Just curious, but is your > source willing to put his information in writing for > the sake of the club and then put his name on it. > Not many are willing to do that. > > Lowell __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:46 PM PST US From: "Bill Pleso" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model IV wing tanks --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" >> I must have missed some of this....I have the bottom wing tank vents and they > do not siphon fuel. Cutting the tubes at an angle was concerning the exhaust > pipe not fuel vents. Did I miss something in the transfer of subject matter? Don, I was referring to Paul Wilson's reply on 1/03/05 Bill ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:27 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" I don't think you can beat powder coating for engine paint. They have some amazing hi-tech coatings now in any color you want. You can even get your pipes ceramic coated. The heat of the engine will not come close to even bothering it. Didn't we have a powder coating vendor on the list? Are you still here? He had some coatings that claimed to dissipate heat faster than an uncoated block. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of * Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings?? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" Hi All As I go through the details of my Classic IV w/ NSI clean-up. I would like to explore the area of engine coatings. The orange paint that is on the NSI engine is pealing in a few spots and as I am a bit of a stickler for the details I would like to recoat the engine The idea of painting an engine block, cylinders, heads in the automotive and motorcyle worlds is full of opinions. Painting, powder coating, ceramic coatings, plating... What is your opinion???? The spectum is wide. From a rattle can of engine paint from AutoZone to sending it out for ceramic coating. Some say the color should be flat black and will aid in the heat disipation. I have been researching online for the afternoon, but would like some opinions. Thanks greg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:46 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" There is NO 51% rule with Experimental Light Sport! -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of customtrans@qwest.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net This confuses me, reregister the aircraft. Are you saying you can start all over with the certification of the aircraft, can I even get a repairmans cert. of such. If so tell me how? I want to do this with my 4. Now remember, I'm rebuilding the fox and I can prove over 51% build. steve a -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" Only a couple of problems that I can . First of all you dont need an STC (supplemental type certificate) for an experimental as we have no type certificate to supplement. Second of all if you deregister your aircraft and the re register it with the new weight limit you want you should not have any problems. just a lot of work and ofcourse a new 40 hour test time. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Lowell, This one suprised me too. When this FAA rep/member told our club how to do it, I specifically asked him pointed home-built questions after the meeting. It seems that he is prepared now to clear the way for the club to STC a manufactured plane. But this is not the FAA rep that signed my KitFox off and I don't know him well enough to say it is written in stone. I would like to see a home-built STC'd to Sport Flight status before I totally believe it. But I throw this out to you all as a subject anyone can address with their FAA rep and see if it sells. Kurt S. --- Lowell Fitt wrote: > Kurt, I have not followed this whole issue that > closely as my airplane is a IV with the 1200 lb gross > wt, but it seems this is in opposition to other > information we have had in the past. It is my > experience that FAA guys sometimes will tell us > certain things and then sometimes forget what they > told us after a while. Just curious, but is your > source willing to put his information in writing for > the sake of the club and then put his name on it. > Not many are willing to do that. > > Lowell __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:46 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" OK! Lets hold our horses right there. I fly an Avid with a Jabiru 2200. While I do not fly with floats...I have NO DOUBT that the engine delivers sufficient power to handle them. My previous engine was a 670 RAVE. The Jab produces equal to better performance than the Rotax "winder-upper" at about 3.5 gallons per hour. Now wait a minute! Which 2200 did you friend have? Was it the one with the bigger cam and steel rods? Or was it an early 65 horse version? I bought a prince prop from a guy who flys an older version Jabiru. His engine would NOT turn that prop any faster than 3300 rpm. I put the prop on my engine and I see 3760 on CLIMB OUT for crying out loud!. And what this milarky about prop diameter? Check the charts friends. Max RPM on the Jab is 3300 rpm, hell; a 68" prop is still only 85% of supersonic! Both the 2200 and the 3300 run the same max RPM: 3300 and yes, there is no gearbox...neither does a Lycoming or Continental!!!:) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of av8rps@tznet.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ron: A friend switched his Avid Mark IV over to a Jabiru after flying on a 582 for years. He too wanted to go to floats, although just straight (non-amphib) type. He liked the Jabiru for it's fuel economy, smoothness, and reliability. The first year he operated on wheels. But the second year when he put it on floats he was disappointed with the performance. Even solo in that light Avid airframe (530 lbs on wheels if I remember correctly) it was underpowered. He crashed the airplane shortly after it was put on floats in an accident that happened from hitting large waves after not being able to lift off in a reasonable distance. It was his opinion that the engine just doesn't develop enough thrust for what a seaplane needs (a seaplane needs all the thrust as you can get). Consequently large diameter props are typically required. The Jab spins too many rpm's to turn a long propellor efficiently. Possibly the larger Jabiru might work better, but I believe it also runs higher rpms without aid of a gearbox (??). So that one I'm not sure about. But if it were me I'd go with the sure thing for a Model IV amphib, the 100 hp 912 Rotax. And if your floats and airframe are light, even that 582 will work ok. I've flown lots of Avids and Kitfoxes on straight floats with 532-582 engines. They are great performers off the water with that engine, so they will still be ok as an amphib I'm sure. But that 912s will put you in the Supercub class. But....this is just my opinion after flying Avids and Kitfoxes for 1200+ hours, mostly on floats... Paul Seehafer Central Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Nancy Smith" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 engine upgrade > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron & Nancy Smith" > > I recently bought a flying kitfox 4 with a rotax 582. I want to put the > A/C on amphib floats, and the 582 doesn't have the horses. It seems to me > that the Jabiru engine is the most cost effective for greater hp. Can The > Jabiru 3300 be put in a kitfox 4, or is the 2200 a better option. I would > like to sell or trade my present engine. What could I expect to get for > the 582 firewall forward with a GSC prop, presently 35 hours on the > engine. I also would appreciate other suggestions for engine > alternatives. Thanks, Ron > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:51 PM PST US From: Thomas Lee Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Desert Fox Squadron --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee Try 602-481 2448 Stan Foster. thomas. Vixen 912UL. >I have a friend that has a Classic IV Speedster that lives in Ohio with me. He is spending the winter in Phoenix. He would like to visit the Desert Fox Squadron. Does anyone have a contact number? Thanks, Jeff Classic IV. > > >Jeffrey Puls >pulsair@mindspring.com > > > >