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1. 04:54 AM - Re: Engine coatings?? (Fox5flyer)
2. 05:00 AM - Fw: Engine coatings?? (Fox5flyer)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (~~Shorty~~)
4. 08:00 AM - Re: More Info on Aluminum wheels (~~Shorty~~)
5. 08:09 AM - 912 Training (Jimmie Blackwell)
6. 08:32 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Lynn Matteson)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Lowell Fitt)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: More Info on Aluminum wheels (Lynn Matteson)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Jimmie Blackwell)
10. 09:17 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Lynn Matteson)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Fox5flyer)
12. 09:57 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (~~Shorty~~)
13. 10:05 AM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Lynn Matteson)
14. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Engine choices/ Jabaru 3300 (kurt schrader)
15. 12:11 PM - door latch question (Lynn Matteson)
16. 01:53 PM - Rad flap test (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
17. 03:24 PM - Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8 inch (Rex & Jan Shaw)
18. 03:58 PM - Re: Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8 inch (Lynn Matteson)
19. 04:06 PM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Jimmie Blackwell)
20. 05:36 PM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (~~Shorty~~)
21. 05:38 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (paul wilson)
22. 05:38 PM - Re: model IV wing tanks (paul wilson)
23. 08:21 PM - Re: door latch question (Jeffrey Puls)
24. 08:48 PM - Re: door latch question (Lynn Matteson)
25. 08:56 PM - Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine coatings?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Speaking of powder coating, Harbor Freight has a system currently on sale.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> I don't think you can beat powder coating for engine paint. They have some
> amazing hi-tech coatings now in any color you want. You can even get your
> pipes ceramic coated. The heat of the engine will not come close to even
> bothering it.
>
> Didn't we have a powder coating vendor on the list? Are you still here? He
> had some coatings that claimed to dissipate heat faster than an uncoated
> block.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of *
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings??
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi All
>
> As I go through the details of my Classic IV w/ NSI clean-up. I would
like
> to explore the area of engine coatings.
>
> The orange paint that is on the NSI engine is pealing in a few spots and
as
> I am a bit of a stickler for the details I would like to recoat the engine
>
> The idea of painting an engine block, cylinders, heads in the automotive
and
> motorcyle worlds is full of opinions. Painting, powder coating, ceramic
> coatings, plating...
>
> What is your opinion????
>
> The spectum is wide. From a rattle can of engine paint from AutoZone to
> sending it out for ceramic coating.
>
> Some say the color should be flat black and will aid in the heat
disipation.
>
> I have been researching online for the afternoon, but would like some
> opinions.
>
> Thanks
> greg
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine coatings?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Oops. The link doesn't work. Here's the part number: 42802-1rfh
Go to harborfreight.com and do a part number search.
Deke
> Speaking of powder coating, Harbor Freight has a sy-tem currently on
sale<42802-1rfh>
ww.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search
> Deke
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:51 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings??
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> >
> > I don't think you can beat powder coating for engine paint. They have
some
> > amazing hi-tech coatings now in any color you want. You can even get
your
> > pipes ceramic coated. The heat of the engine will not come close to even
> > bothering it.
> >
> > Didn't we have a powder coating vendor on the list? Are you still here?
He
> > had some coatings that claimed to dissipate heat faster than an uncoated
> > block.
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of *
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine coatings??
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > As I go through the details of my Classic IV w/ NSI clean-up. I would
> like
> > to explore the area of engine coatings.
> >
> > The orange paint that is on the NSI engine is pealing in a few spots and
> as
> > I am a bit of a stickler for the details I would like to recoat the
engine
> >
> > The idea of painting an engine block, cylinders, heads in the automotive
> and
> > motorcyle worlds is full of opinions. Painting, powder coating, ceramic
> > coatings, plating...
> >
> > What is your opinion????
> >
> > The spectum is wide. From a rattle can of engine paint from AutoZone to
> > sending it out for ceramic coating.
> >
> > Some say the color should be flat black and will aid in the heat
> disipation.
> >
> > I have been researching online for the afternoon, but would like some
> > opinions.
> >
> > Thanks
> > greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
I have 8 alum wheels
hub is billet alum and a spun wheel 2 piece.
Deke are you saying alum wheels are not possible > I have them here will
post pic if you need.
But not for sale
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8 inch
> wheels were all aluminum as far as I know. Then again, I might be wrong
> about this as some steel units may have been supplied. Mine were
definitely
> aluminum though supplied by Denny.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> >
> > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has come
> up
> > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate
are
> > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design places
> the
> > valve inline with a stud.
> > Rex.
> > Classic IV
> >
> > rexjan@bigpond.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:More Info on Aluminum wheels |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
http://www.douglaswheel.com/atv/standard.phtml
That is where denney was getting them for the ones that did not know :)
Cheers guys
Shorrty
----- Original Message -----
From: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> I have 8 alum wheels
> hub is billet alum and a spun wheel 2 piece.
>
> Deke are you saying alum wheels are not possible > I have them here
will
> post pic if you need.
> But not for sale
>
>
> Shorty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8
inch
> > wheels were all aluminum as far as I know. Then again, I might be wrong
> > about this as some steel units may have been supplied. Mine were
> definitely
> > aluminum though supplied by Denny.
> > Deke
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>
> > >
> > > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
come
> > up
> > > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate
> are
> > > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
places
> > the
> > > valve inline with a stud.
> > > Rex.
> > > Classic IV
> > >
> > > rexjan@bigpond.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I am planning on attending a 912 training course at SMLA in Lucedale Mississippi
later this month. Wondering if any of you are planning to attend?
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hi Rex-
I just checked my original(?) 8" wheels with a magnet, and they are
definitely aluminum. The only place the magnet was attracted was near
the bead of the tire. Mine are Douglas as well, as one sticker remains.
Mine are apparently three-piece wheels, as there seems to be three
layers of material when viewed at the hub circle, or at the three
mounting holes with the wheel off the hub.( Just for the record, my
valve stems are offset from the mounting stud by about 3/4".) There is
a layer of black between the three layers of aluminum, which makes me
wonder of they are Hysol'ed together, or possibly welded together
inside the wheel. Because the tires are tubeless, I'd have to assume
that the wheel is welded/heliarced inside. Does anybody know?
While we are on this subject, I have the 20x7.00-8 Cheng Shin tires
(buffed smooth), and while I'd like to use the wheels/tires combination
for now, could I put a different tire on this wheel in the future? The
reason I ask is because all the tires I see in the Aircraft Spruce
catalog seem to be much smaller than the 20 inchers I have. I know you
(Rex) have warned me about these tires due to their 2-ply rating, and
puncture-prone habits, but for building and initial flying purposes,
they should be ok. However, I want to install wheel pants, and don't
want to cut that large opening for the Cheng Shin 20 inchers and then
find that a replacement tire is so small that a large gap will exist in
the pants. Whew! Long-winded question here!
Lynn
On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 05:07 PM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
> come up
> before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate
> are
> made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
> places the
> valve inline with a stud.
> Rex.
> Classic IV
>
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Lynn, A friend in Spokane has tires that fit the 8" rims. He says they
are a bit thicker in the tread than the old tires and will add about 3# to
the total weight. I think he sells them for aobut $49. If interested, Call
Mark at (509) 924-7333. He has owned three Kitfoxes and is a high time
pilot and knows the product.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Hi Rex-
> I just checked my original(?) 8" wheels with a magnet, and they are
> definitely aluminum. The only place the magnet was attracted was near
> the bead of the tire. Mine are Douglas as well, as one sticker remains.
> Mine are apparently three-piece wheels, as there seems to be three
> layers of material when viewed at the hub circle, or at the three
> mounting holes with the wheel off the hub.( Just for the record, my
> valve stems are offset from the mounting stud by about 3/4".) There is
> a layer of black between the three layers of aluminum, which makes me
> wonder of they are Hysol'ed together, or possibly welded together
> inside the wheel. Because the tires are tubeless, I'd have to assume
> that the wheel is welded/heliarced inside. Does anybody know?
> While we are on this subject, I have the 20x7.00-8 Cheng Shin tires
> (buffed smooth), and while I'd like to use the wheels/tires combination
> for now, could I put a different tire on this wheel in the future? The
> reason I ask is because all the tires I see in the Aircraft Spruce
> catalog seem to be much smaller than the 20 inchers I have. I know you
> (Rex) have warned me about these tires due to their 2-ply rating, and
> puncture-prone habits, but for building and initial flying purposes,
> they should be ok. However, I want to install wheel pants, and don't
> want to cut that large opening for the Cheng Shin 20 inchers and then
> find that a replacement tire is so small that a large gap will exist in
> the pants. Whew! Long-winded question here!
>
> Lynn
> On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 05:07 PM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> > <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> >
> > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
> > come up
> > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate
> > are
> > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
> > places the
> > valve inline with a stud.
> > Rex.
> > Classic IV
> >
> > rexjan@bigpond.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:More Info on Aluminum wheels |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the info, Shorty. I just re-checked my Blue label 8" wheels,
and they are .375" thick at the center, which would verify that they
are built from the .125" stock, having the center reinforcement plate
mentioned on Douglas' website, and now I'm convinced that they are
welded together inside at the joint.
Lynn
On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 10:59 AM, ~~Shorty~~ wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> http://www.douglaswheel.com/atv/standard.phtml
>
> That is where denney was getting them for the ones that did not know
> :)
>
> Cheers guys
>
>
> Shorrty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~"
>> <shortnaked@golden.net>
>>
>> I have 8 alum wheels
>> hub is billet alum and a spun wheel 2 piece.
>>
>> Deke are you saying alum wheels are not possible > I have them here
> will
>> post pic if you need.
>> But not for sale
>>
>>
>> Shorty
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>>
>>> Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8
> inch
>>> wheels were all aluminum as far as I know. Then again, I might be
>>> wrong
>>> about this as some steel units may have been supplied. Mine were
>> definitely
>>> aluminum though supplied by Denny.
>>> Deke
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
> come
>>> up
>>>> before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any
>>>> rate
>> are
>>>> made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
> places
>>> the
>>>> valve inline with a stud.
>>>> Rex.
>>>> Classic IV
>>>>
>>>> rexjan@bigpond.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Lynn
I am using 16 x 6.50 x 8 Cheng Shin 4 ply ribbed tires. They were made for
a golf cart. Currently, mine have about 100 take offs and landings. I plan
to fly today so I will get the model number off the tires and send to you.
Wheel pants can be used on these tires and they are a lot smaller than what
you have now.
>From what I have learned it is important to get tires that are rounded
rather than being square. The ones I have are slightly rounded and even as
a low time tail wheel pilot they seem ok to me even on hard surface runway.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Hi Rex-
> I just checked my original(?) 8" wheels with a magnet, and they are
> definitely aluminum. The only place the magnet was attracted was near
> the bead of the tire. Mine are Douglas as well, as one sticker remains.
> Mine are apparently three-piece wheels, as there seems to be three
> layers of material when viewed at the hub circle, or at the three
> mounting holes with the wheel off the hub.( Just for the record, my
> valve stems are offset from the mounting stud by about 3/4".) There is
> a layer of black between the three layers of aluminum, which makes me
> wonder of they are Hysol'ed together, or possibly welded together
> inside the wheel. Because the tires are tubeless, I'd have to assume
> that the wheel is welded/heliarced inside. Does anybody know?
> While we are on this subject, I have the 20x7.00-8 Cheng Shin tires
> (buffed smooth), and while I'd like to use the wheels/tires combination
> for now, could I put a different tire on this wheel in the future? The
> reason I ask is because all the tires I see in the Aircraft Spruce
> catalog seem to be much smaller than the 20 inchers I have. I know you
> (Rex) have warned me about these tires due to their 2-ply rating, and
> puncture-prone habits, but for building and initial flying purposes,
> they should be ok. However, I want to install wheel pants, and don't
> want to cut that large opening for the Cheng Shin 20 inchers and then
> find that a replacement tire is so small that a large gap will exist in
> the pants. Whew! Long-winded question here!
>
> Lynn
> On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 05:07 PM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> > <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> >
> > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
> > come up
> > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate
> > are
> > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
> > places the
> > valve inline with a stud.
> > Rex.
> > Classic IV
> >
> > rexjan@bigpond.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks Lowell...I'll give him a call. Sounds like a good source of tire
info.
Lynn
On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Lynn, A friend in Spokane has tires that fit the 8" rims. He says
> they
> are a bit thicker in the tread than the old tires and will add about
> 3# to
> the total weight. I think he sells them for aobut $49. If
> interested, Call
> Mark at (509) 924-7333. He has owned three Kitfoxes and is a high time
> pilot and knows the product.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>
>> While we are on this subject, I have the 20x7.00-8 Cheng Shin tires
>> (buffed smooth), and while I'd like to use the wheels/tires
>> combination
>> for now, could I put a different tire on this wheel in the future?
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Nope. That's not what I said. I reread my message and I thought it was
clear. The original equipment were aluminum atv wheels with tabs welded
on for the disk brakes.
Deke
> I have 8 alum wheels
> hub is billet alum and a spun wheel 2 piece.
> Deke are you saying alum wheels are not possible > I have them here
will
> post pic if you need.
> But not for sale
> Shorty
>
> >
> > Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8
inch
> > wheels were all aluminum as far as I know. Then again, I might be wrong
> > about this as some steel units may have been supplied. Mine were
> definitely
> > aluminum though supplied by Denny.
> > Deke
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>
> > >
> > > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
come
> > up
> > > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any rate
> are
> > > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
places
> > the
> > > valve inline with a stud.
> > > Rex.
> > > Classic IV
> > >
> > > rexjan@bigpond.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Deke --sorry you were right .
I just showed you where dan got the rims from in first place :)
Who needs wheels huh? I just got in from near 2 hours barnstormig on skis
LOL
Traded in skis now for Downhill headed out with kids now
HAve agreat afternoon !!
Shorty <----Ski nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Nope. That's not what I said. I reread my message and I thought it was
> clear. The original equipment were aluminum atv wheels with tabs welded
> on for the disk brakes.
> Deke
>
> > I have 8 alum wheels
> > hub is billet alum and a spun wheel 2 piece.
> > Deke are you saying alum wheels are not possible > I have them here
> will
> > post pic if you need.
> > But not for sale
> > Shorty
> >
> > >
> > > Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. The 8
> inch
> > > wheels were all aluminum as far as I know. Then again, I might be
wrong
> > > about this as some steel units may have been supplied. Mine were
> > definitely
> > > aluminum though supplied by Denny.
> > > Deke
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure this is aluminium. Mine are chromed steel and this has
> come
> > > up
> > > > before and it turned out they were steel. By the way mine at any
rate
> > are
> > > > made by Douglas, they still have the stickers on them. Bad design
> places
> > > the
> > > > valve inline with a stud.
> > > > Rex.
> > > > Classic IV
> > > >
> > > > rexjan@bigpond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks Jimmie...by the way, when you (or others) have made the
transition to the Grove main landing gear, did the axles, brakes, etc.
all transfer with no problems? I'm thinking about doing this, and would
like any input.
Lynn
On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 02:03 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Lynn
>
> I am using 16 x 6.50 x 8 Cheng Shin 4 ply ribbed tires. They were
> made for
> a golf cart. Currently, mine have about 100 take offs and landings.
> I plan
> to fly today so I will get the model number off the tires and send to
> you.
> Wheel pants can be used on these tires and they are a lot smaller than
> what
> you have now.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices/ Jabaru 3300 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Cliff,
Is this builder on the list to tell us about it? Or
can we count on you for some "hands on" :-) or at
least observed performance numbers?
Kurt S.
--- Clifford Begnaud <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
wrote:
> Kurt,
> There is one being built here in Colorado. It should
> fly this spring. I look forward to seeing how it
> performs. It has the potential to be the worlds
> fastest kitfox.
> Cliff
>
> >
> > I bet for most applications the 3300 is a great
> > contender, but for the IV, it could be the best
> > choice, IMHO.
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | door latch question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My 1994 IV came to me (4th owner) with the original door latch
(uninstalled) which mounts midway up the door height, and has a
bellcrank and two latches...fore and aft of the door opening. Parts
bags for this option are called"Speedster fuselage kit" and all parts
are powdercoated with the same color as the fuselage (and everything
else). Other parts bags are marked "Door latch-double pin kit". The
plane also came with a "Door latch retro fit kit", which mounts the
single latch at the bottom of the door. I have no instructions for the
Speedster/Double-pin kit. I have the later manual which shows how to
deal with the "retro-fit kit". Which is the better of the two systems,
and does anybody have the instructions for either?
Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
I finally completed the radiator flap and cowl mods on Alberta. The
fiberglass is still rough as a cob but ready for flight. Today, I wheeled her
outside for an extended ground test runup. I also relocated the CHT probes to
the two alum pipes for the input/output of the radiator. I hose clamped them in
place and added heavy insulation. My hopes were to get some good information
on the EIS as to water temps entering and leaving the radiator. Things
worked great on the initial ground testing.
I let the system warm up completely before making any conclusions. The
water temps (at the head) stabilized out to about 155 degrees after 7 minutes
of run time. The two CHT probes indicated about 150 degrees (input to the rad)
and 145 (output). By closing the "two" cockpit controlled rad flaps, the
temps started to increase after about 10-15 seconds. Once the water temps hit
175, I opened the two flaps and saw the temps start to come down after the same
time frame (10 sec or so).
Initial conclusion: The two independently controlled rad flaps allow great
control of the overall water temps. The use of CHT probes on the input/output
of the rad show an average temp difference of between 5-10 degrees. I believe
that is within Rotax spec.
Next step is to hit the airwaves and do some serious testing. My hope is
to have a system that gives the pilot enough control so that the "thermostat"
can be removed for good. Nothing wrong with using a thermostat but, I would
prefer to have more control over the 582 water temps (in all weather/flight
conditions).
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment wheels. |
The 8 inch
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Deke,
thanks for that info. I've had a few discussions on wheels
before and they have all been steel like mine, chromed with brake disc
mounting lugs welded on the back and the valve placed in line with a stud
making it arkward. Once at least I remember the person got back to me and
said "Yes their wheels were steel" They had thought they were aluminium. So
I was under the impression they were all steel. Obviously you know different
and I'm pleased to learn from you. On my posting I did however mention
things like the valve position for clarification in case I was wrong
assuming they probably had steel not aluminium. I seem to remember this
discussion was on the Skystar message board if that ever comes back.
I was talking at one stage with either Frank or Ed at Skystar re tyres as my
old scrubbed down ATV tyres were useless due to punctures all the time and
in course of that conversation these old 8" steel wheels were mentioned. So
in all it is obvious that Kitfox's did have 8" steel rims at one stage.
What I didn't know but did wonder about was that there ever was 8" aluminium
rims. Now that makes me jealous as I like the 8" part but I would prefer
lighter weight aluminium. I'm now curious if the brake dics on the aluminium
wheels were mounted direct on the rims with 3 welded on lugs and the
calipers operating from the inside of the disc annulus.
Rex
Classic IV 582
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rex, I think it's unlikely you have original equipment |
wheels. The 8 inch
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hi Rex-
I can tell you for certain that the wheels on my IV are 8", are
aluminum, do have the brake lugs welded onto the inside of the rims,
and that the calipers (Matco) operate on the inner portion of the brake
disc. I just this past day or so disassembled them and lightened the
discs according to the drawing in my manual. The discs were at 26 oz.
to start with and following the instructions, they were reduced to 13
oz each. There was a lot of unnecessary metal at the outer periphery of
those discs....not any more! Ninety-six 1/4" holes drilled (on the two
discs) and some time spent with the band saw took care of that.
Lynn
On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 06:25 PM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
> <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> Now that makes me jealous as I like the 8" part but I would prefer
> lighter weight aluminium. I'm now curious if the brake dics on the
> aluminium
> wheels were mounted direct on the rims with 3 welded on lugs and the
> calipers operating from the inside of the disc annulus.
> Rex
> Classic IV 582
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Lynn
Having flown with the bungee and Grove gear, I highly recommend the Grove
gear. Makes the Kitfox a lot easier to handle on the ground. If I learned
to handle it with bungee gear I am sure you could. The Grove gear just
makes it feel a lot more controllable.
If you order Grove gear you will need to tell them that you have the 8"
wheels. Grove will then send you axles that will fit the 8" wheel. You use
your same brakes.
If you go to the 6" wheels you will need new brakes and the switch will cost
about $500. I did not make the switch because I have so many things I want
to buy, so I just have to prioritize to keep the peace with my wife. The
down side to the 8" wheels is that if one gets bent then I don't know where
you could find one other than from someone that made the switch. I was
lucky and found a set, so I have extras.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks Jimmie...by the way, when you (or others) have made the
> transition to the Grove main landing gear, did the axles, brakes, etc.
> all transfer with no problems? I'm thinking about doing this, and would
> like any input.
>
> Lynn
>
> On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 02:03 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > I am using 16 x 6.50 x 8 Cheng Shin 4 ply ribbed tires. They were
> > made for
> > a golf cart. Currently, mine have about 100 take offs and landings.
> > I plan
> > to fly today so I will get the model number off the tires and send to
> > you.
> > Wheel pants can be used on these tires and they are a lot smaller than
> > what
> > you have now.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Never had a problem with an Kitfox or AVID with Bungee suspension.
Skis floats wheel ---no matter it jus a flying machine.
Never flown with a grove gear but i find it hard to believe that a tame
Handling Kitofx that lands at 30 mph can pose much of a challenge.
But most Tricycle gear guys are habitually pretty lazy when it comes to
ground handling so it seems.
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Lynn
>
> Having flown with the bungee and Grove gear, I highly recommend the Grove
> gear. Makes the Kitfox a lot easier to handle on the ground. If I
learned
> to handle it with bungee gear I am sure you could. The Grove gear just
> makes it feel a lot more controllable.
>
> If you order Grove gear you will need to tell them that you have the 8"
> wheels. Grove will then send you axles that will fit the 8" wheel. You
use
> your same brakes.
> If you go to the 6" wheels you will need new brakes and the switch will
cost
> about $500. I did not make the switch because I have so many things I
want
> to buy, so I just have to prioritize to keep the peace with my wife. The
> down side to the 8" wheels is that if one gets bent then I don't know
where
> you could find one other than from someone that made the switch. I was
> lucky and found a set, so I have extras.
> Jimmie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >
> > Thanks Jimmie...by the way, when you (or others) have made the
> > transition to the Grove main landing gear, did the axles, brakes, etc.
> > all transfer with no problems? I'm thinking about doing this, and would
> > like any input.
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 02:03 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > >
> > > Lynn
> > >
> > > I am using 16 x 6.50 x 8 Cheng Shin 4 ply ribbed tires. They were
> > > made for
> > > a golf cart. Currently, mine have about 100 take offs and landings.
> > > I plan
> > > to fly today so I will get the model number off the tires and send to
> > > you.
> > > Wheel pants can be used on these tires and they are a lot smaller than
> > > what
> > > you have now.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: paul wilson <pwilson@climber.org>
Hi Bill,
Maybe I was not clear in my first post. So here is another try.
Air pressure under the wing is higher than above the wing when in flight.
The is why a wing has lift. Most all certified planed use this type of
vent. Go to the airport and study the planes. vents are under the wing and
at the tip.
You can choose where expanded fuel drips. On top of the wing the way
Skystar does it. out at the wing tip like Don does it. and under the wing
like mine.
Its true that if a wing is low like when parked on an uneven surface. the
fuel will come out the vent. But Both Don's design and mine have there vent
located at the top of the tanks where the ullage is. so as soon as a bubble
of vapor reaches the vent no more liquid will come out. siphon can only
occur if the vent line inside the tank is below the liquid surface, But if
you place the vent inside the tank correctly it will not normally see
liquid. Remember the dihedral - the outer part of the wing is higher than
the inboard part. We put the vent at theoutboard part of the tank.
The slash provides a slight ram air pressure gain. I thought I mentioned
this. If you look at the Skystar vent It is pointed forward for the same
effect.
Paul
============
At 06:19 PM 1/7/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
>
> pressureization of the tanks. Better yet give the tube a 45-60 deg slash
> facing forward to get slight ram air influence. Dont let it stick down too
>
>I have 2 questions.
> Don't the vents under the wing tend to siphon fuel out when the tanks
>are full?
> Why does cutting the tubes at an angle enhance the ram air function?
>Bill
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: paul wilson <pwilson@climber.org>
Hi Don,
Confusing ?
Slash on the exhaust is to deflect outgoing gas
Slash in the vent is to create pressure (ram air) for the air entering the
fuel tanks.
So slash has two purposes in two different applications. Its just
aerodynamics and fluid (gas) flow..
Paul
===============
At 06:47 PM 1/7/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 1/7/05 3:20:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, bill77@cox.net
>writes:
>
><<
> pressureization of the tanks. Better yet give the tube a 45-60 deg slash
> facing forward to get slight ram air influence. Dont let it stick down too
>
> I have 2 questions.
> Don't the vents under the wing tend to siphon fuel out when the tanks
> are full?
> Why does cutting the tubes at an angle enhance the ram air function?
> Bill
>
> do not archive
> >>
>I must have missed some of this....I have the bottom wing tank vents and they
>do not siphon fuel. Cutting the tubes at an angle was concerning the exhaust
>pipe not fuel vents. Did I miss something in the transfer of subject matter?
>
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | door latch question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Lynn,
I have flown both and have been very disappointed with the retro kit. The
double pin is far superior. The single latch has a tendency to bow out in
the slip stream. The pins are solid. I had to redo my doors with a double
locking system. Go for the bellcrank, more work but you will be happier.
Jeff Classic IV
> [Original Message]
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/8/2005 3:11:23 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: door latch question
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> My 1994 IV came to me (4th owner) with the original door latch
> (uninstalled) which mounts midway up the door height, and has a
> bellcrank and two latches...fore and aft of the door opening. Parts
> bags for this option are called"Speedster fuselage kit" and all parts
> are powdercoated with the same color as the fuselage (and everything
> else). Other parts bags are marked "Door latch-double pin kit". The
> plane also came with a "Door latch retro fit kit", which mounts the
> single latch at the bottom of the door. I have no instructions for the
> Speedster/Double-pin kit. I have the later manual which shows how to
> deal with the "retro-fit kit". Which is the better of the two systems,
> and does anybody have the instructions for either?
>
> Lynn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: door latch question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the answer, Jeff. That makes perfect sense, however I worry
about the whole lower half of the door is "not latched" with this
design. And SS DID change their design for whatever reason. Anyway, I
haven't figured out yet what the actual "pin" is, unless the four bolts
that don't seem to go anywhere else are somehow shaped to use as the
pins. Without the instruction manual or sheet, I'm having to imagineer
how they intended it to work. I'll lay out all the parts and see if it
makes more sense then. I understand the bellcrank part and the two
actuating rods, just not the pin design.
Lynn
On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Jeffrey Puls wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls"
> <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Lynn,
> I have flown both and have been very disappointed with the retro kit.
> The
> double pin is far superior. The single latch has a tendency to bow out
> in
> the slip stream. The pins are solid. I had to redo my doors with a
> double
> locking system. Go for the bellcrank, more work but you will be
> happier.
> Jeff Classic IV
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 1/8/2005 3:11:23 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: door latch question
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> I have no instructions for the
>> Speedster/Double-pin kit. I have the later manual which shows how to
>> deal with the "retro-fit kit". Which is the better of the two systems,
>> and does anybody have the instructions for either?
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'm really debating this Grove gear thing...I like the looks of the IV
with the bungee gear...looks nostalgic. I'm gathering info right now,
so thanks for that, Jimmie. Yeah, I hear you on the "so many things I
want to buy" thing...without a wife as a check on my checkbook, I can
get real stupid about buying things. : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 08:08 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Lynn
>
> Having flown with the bungee and Grove gear, I highly recommend the
> Grove
> gear. Makes the Kitfox a lot easier to handle on the ground. If I
> learned
> to handle it with bungee gear I am sure you could. The Grove gear just
> makes it feel a lot more controllable.
>
> If you order Grove gear you will need to tell them that you have the 8"
> wheels. Grove will then send you axles that will fit the 8" wheel.
> You use
> your same brakes.
> If you go to the 6" wheels you will need new brakes and the switch
> will cost
> about $500. I did not make the switch because I have so many things I
> want
> to buy, so I just have to prioritize to keep the peace with my wife.
> The
> down side to the 8" wheels is that if one gets bent then I don't know
> where
> you could find one other than from someone that made the switch. I was
> lucky and found a set, so I have extras.
> Jimmie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I need an 8 inch original aluminum wheel.
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Thanks Jimmie...by the way, when you (or others) have made the
>> transition to the Grove main landing gear, did the axles, brakes,
>> etc.
>> all transfer with no problems? I'm thinking about doing this, and
>> would
>> like any input.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>> On Saturday, January 8, 2005, at 02:03 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>>> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> I am using 16 x 6.50 x 8 Cheng Shin 4 ply ribbed tires. They were
>>> made for
>>> a golf cart. Currently, mine have about 100 take offs and landings.
>>> I plan
>>> to fly today so I will get the model number off the tires and send to
>>> you.
>>> Wheel pants can be used on these tires and they are a lot smaller
>>> than
>>> what
>>> you have now.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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