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1. 03:41 AM - Re: Ground Handling (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 03:44 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Ground Handling (DC91840@aol.com)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:42 AM - Re: 8" Aluminium rims (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: long XC (Fox5flyer)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: long XC (Fox5flyer)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: door latch question (Wwillyard@aol.com)
9. 07:13 AM - Re: Radio Noise (Lyle Persels)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: Sport Planes (customtrans@qwest.net)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
12. 07:48 AM - Compass mounting (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
13. 07:51 AM - Re: Sport Planes (roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick))
14. 08:07 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Rick)
15. 08:07 AM - Re: Ground Handling (~~Shorty~~)
16. 08:38 AM - Re: door latch question (Lynn Matteson)
17. 08:45 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (Lynn Matteson)
18. 09:11 AM - [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
19. 09:21 AM - wing tanks and header tank vents. (Dee Young)
20. 10:09 AM - Re: Radio Noise (Jimmie Blackwell)
21. 10:35 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
22. 10:38 AM - Re: model IV wing tanks (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
23. 11:04 AM - Re: Sport Planes (kirk hull)
24. 11:08 AM - Re: Sport Planes -0800 (kirk hull)
25. 11:20 AM - Re: Sport Planes -0800 (customtrans@qwest.net)
26. 11:25 AM - Re: Sport Planes (customtrans@qwest.net)
27. 12:39 PM - Re: wing tanks and header tank vents. (kurt schrader)
28. 12:46 PM - Re: Ground Handling (kurt schrader)
29. 01:11 PM - Re: wing tanks and header tank vents. (Gary Algate)
30. 01:18 PM - Re: Radio Noise (Roger Standley)
31. 01:30 PM - Re: long XC (Jeffrey Puls)
32. 01:35 PM - wing tanks and header tank vents. (Dee Young)
33. 01:48 PM - Re: long XC (Fox5flyer)
34. 01:52 PM - Re: [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Rick)
35. 02:21 PM - Re: [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Dee Young)
36. 03:01 PM - Re: Radio Noise (Jimmie Blackwell)
37. 03:21 PM - Fuel Caps (Steve Cooper)
38. 04:42 PM - Re: Engine choices (NSI AERO)
39. 04:55 PM - Re: Engine choices (jdmcbean)
40. 05:18 PM - Re: Sport Planes (kirk hull)
41. 06:08 PM - Re: Fuel Caps (Randy Daughenbaugh)
42. 06:09 PM - Re: Sport Planes (customtrans@qwest.net)
43. 06:23 PM - Re: Fuel Caps (Lowell Fitt)
44. 06:52 PM - Re: Engine choices (~~Shorty~~)
45. 07:04 PM - Re: Ground Handling (DC91840@aol.com)
46. 08:48 PM - Re: Fuel Caps (Steve Cooper)
47. 11:37 PM - Re: wing tanks and header tank vents. (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Handling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/9/05 4:57:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lcfitt@inreach.com writes:
<< don't really know if the tires should ride on the center of the tread. I
talked to a fellow this morning on the phone and his wears only on the edge
of only one tire. I think that is unusual and deserves some thought.
Lowell >>
As I said earlier, I talked to Robby Grove about this when I first installed
the gear. He said it would level out once the engine and rest of the load was
installed. It never changed from empty to max load. Time for another call
to Robby.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/9/05 5:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
pwilson@climber.org writes:
<< Just curious. What is the reason for the place you used?
Thanks. Paul >>
Paul,
Looking back, I'm not sure why I chose the exact spot. Two things did
come into the picture. I needed to go out the wing far enough to gain height
(dihedral). The vent is right near the strut attach point and keeps from being
a head knocker. Other than that, no other real reason.
Like I said, I did consider going all the way to the wing tip but didn't
really want to cut/modify the tip for the vent
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Handling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
I have a Classis IV and used all kit parts with
Grove gear.
when I fill my tanks and install my 215# the
tail wheel pivot actually leans a little
forward. Be sure your toe is adjusted
correctly. I set mine using the tailwheel
center as an alignment point. No toe.
Hope this helps.Don
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Don,
I needed something else to worry about, so I started to think about
this venting business. I'm close to covering my wings, and could easily
do the mods that you have described. Just to be clear, you vented BOTH
wing tanks in the manner you describe, right? I'm sure that you did,
because venting just the left tank would allow the header tank to vent,
but fuel flow from the right tank would still need venting to
atmosphere to work properly, eh? (I'll ask this obvious question and
look like a dummy so others can benefit ) :)
In thinking about how I could do this (being that my tanks are
installed in the wings already), I could build up a boss of fiberglas
on the upper, outside of the tank side, and install a fitting and go
out from there to wing tip, or to near the strut attach point as you
did. Do you see any problems with this method?
Lynn
On Monday, January 10, 2005, at 06:43 AM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/9/05 5:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> pwilson@climber.org writes:
>
> << Just curious. What is the reason for the place you used?
> Thanks. Paul >>
> Paul,
> Looking back, I'm not sure why I chose the exact spot. Two things
> did
> come into the picture. I needed to go out the wing far enough to gain
> height
> (dihedral). The vent is right near the strut attach point and keeps
> from being
> a head knocker. Other than that, no other real reason.
> Like I said, I did consider going all the way to the wing tip but
> didn't
> really want to cut/modify the tip for the vent
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 8" Aluminium rims |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Yeah, Spring of '06 maybe! Still have to save my pennies for the as yet
unchosen engine, but I'm leaning toward the Jabiru. Reading all that I
do here about shaking carbs, overheating problems, gearbox whining, and
all, makes the Jab sound real good, even if it didn't sound real good
all on it's own.
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, January 9, 2005, at 09:38 PM, ~~Shorty~~ wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
>
> Lynn, You your are correct he outter part of the rotor is to
> facilitae the
> 3 mounting screws and the safety wire holes.
>
> Your blood must be boiling try to get this plane done by spring eh. !!
>
>
> Shorty
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thank you Kirk. Appreciate the information.
Deke
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> Kansas City is a little out of the way but if weather pushes you west 0N0
> (Zero November Zero )Roosterville ( Liberty Mo.) is a good fuel stop with
> food close by. The owner , Paul Stuber lives on the field and will pump
> fuel 24/ 7 . He caries 100LL and auto gas. The runway is more then
> suitable for a fox with parallel paved and grass .
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Next Wednesday I'll be flying commercial from here in Michigan to Florida.
> The purpose is to pick up a Kitfox and fly it home shortly after as the
> weather permits. I don't really know what my route will be, but I've got
> all the charts, directories, and current GPS196. The plan is to fly point
> to point about 2.5 hours per leg with refueling at each stop, close old
> flight plan and open a new one each time. The reason for point to point
is
> to keep my route and stops flexible. It's nearly 1200 miles and I figure
> about 11-12 hours flying time so I plan to take at least two days to make
> the trip, however with weather it can easily take longer.
> My route will be generally direct from Tampa area, northward to somewhere
> near Knoxville, and onward up to NE Michigan. If flying conditions allow
> I'm hoping to get 8 hours in the first day, but it's flexible.
> Anybody along that route that can recommend some fuel/food stops? Any
> airports that have accomodations within walking or courtesy car distance?
I
> haven't made a long cross country in a long time so any help or advice
would
> be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Deke Morisse
> NE Michigan
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Appreciate the offer Jeff and it may work out that way. I've got your
number written down and will have it with me.
Thanks much.
Deke
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> Deke,
> I am based in Columbus, Ohio at Bolton Field KTZR. They have a resturant
on
> the field and I can run you any whrere you need to go. My number is
> 614-871-3155. If you have any problems in Ohio call me. Jeff puls Classic
> IV.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/9/2005 2:12:12 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: long XC
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Next Wednesday I'll be flying commercial from here in Michigan to
Florida.
> > The purpose is to pick up a Kitfox and fly it home shortly after as the
> > weather permits. I don't really know what my route will be, but I've
got
> > all the charts, directories, and current GPS196. The plan is to fly
point
> > to point about 2.5 hours per leg with refueling at each stop, close old
> > flight plan and open a new one each time. The reason for point to point
> is
> > to keep my route and stops flexible. It's nearly 1200 miles and I
figure
> > about 11-12 hours flying time so I plan to take at least two days to
make
> > the trip, however with weather it can easily take longer.
> > My route will be generally direct from Tampa area, northward to
somewhere
> > near Knoxville, and onward up to NE Michigan. If flying conditions
allow
> > I'm hoping to get 8 hours in the first day, but it's flexible.
> > Anybody along that route that can recommend some fuel/food stops? Any
> > airports that have accomodations within walking or courtesy car
distance?
> I
> > haven't made a long cross country in a long time so any help or advice
> would
> > be appreciated.
> > Thanks,
> > Deke Morisse
> > NE Michigan
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: door latch question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
Lynn, I have the bottom latch only and have found that it works well. I also found
that with the bottom latch a small cam lock can be added so that you can lock
the doors to keep the honest people honest.
Bill W
Classic IV
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I haven't seen a response to your query, so I thought I'd chip in.
Radio noise problems are sometimes complex and difficult to solve. There
are some simple trouble shooting techniques such as noting tone and
intensity variations with changes in engine RPM, or powering your
receiver from a source independent of the aircraft electrical systems.
If you're not able to get the help you need here I'd recommend you look
into the aeroelectric list at
http://www.aeroelectric.com/consulting.html. Bob Nuckolls is sometimes
considered to be controversial because he's a bit of an iconoclast who
doesn't hesitate to deviate from long-held conventional ideas and
practices, but in my opinion his counsel is excellent.
I tried mounting a vertical card compass in my panel (KF-IV/912UL) and
couldn't get it to work satisfactorily in spite of degaussing and using
magnetic shielding, etc. As I recall, others have encountered similar
problems. I think most Kitfoxers feel that the best compass mounting
location is on top of the glare shield or in some other location away
from the panel face.
Lyle
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
>Flying today I noticed that my radio receiver was noisy above 4000 rpm. Below
4000 rpm the receiver is very clear. My radio is a KX125.
>
>Would appreciate any thoughts on were to look for this problem.
>
>Also, I am about to try mounting a vertical card compass in my dash. Has anyone
been successful with a vertical card compass mounted in the dash?
>
>Jimmie
>Model IV Speedster 912 UL
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kind of confused about the last sentence
But, All of this was from the original crash. Now, as far as reregistering
the aircraft, I'm quit aware of what FAA says and to put this under a new
registration I will of course need to list the plane distroyed, then I
purchase the parts as salvage and then rebuild under a plans airplane, this
is where I give it a name and a serial no. I don't think I like this too
much because now the airplane is no longer a kitfox and I'm now the
manufacture. Don't like that part at all.
steve
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Lynn,
See below
<< Just to be clear, you vented BOTH
wing tanks in the manner you describe, right?<<
Correct
<< because venting just the left tank would allow the header tank to vent, >>
The vents I put in have nothing to do with the header. The header is still
vented just like the SS instructions. I had to add these new vents to support
the two new recessed (non-vented) filler caps I installed. If I hadn't added
these filler caps, I would have stayed with the SS provided setup. I was
intrigued by the recessed type to reduce drag and, it's looks better. (IMO)
<<In thinking about how I could do this (being that my tanks are
installed in the wings already), I could build up a boss of fiberglas
on the upper, outside of the tank side, and install a fitting and go
out from there to wing tip, or to near the strut attach point as you
did. Do you see any problems with this method?>>
My tanks were also installed at the time but not covered. Sounds like your
method will work just fine but, I wonder why you want to bother with adding the
vents unless you are also planning on doing recessed filler caps. Cutting
out the old fillers and installing new recessed type might be difficult unless
you cut open the tanks like I did. Unless you come up with some innovative
idea, access to the insides of the tanks might be required. Simply putting in
the vent should be easy the way you describe.
Installing recessed type fillers: If you look at the existing fillers on the
tanks, you will notice they are integrated into the fiberglass. You can see
the outer part of the metal through the glass. If you were to simply cut out
the whole thing you will end up with a hole in the tank top about 3" in dia.
(memory). The mounting flange on the new fillers I used were 3" in dia so,
they would drop right through the hole. I fabricated a donut that was 5" in dia.
with the center hole just the right size for the new filler. The 5" donut
was installed on the inside of the tank and popriveted around the edges (also
used a slurry of West Epoxy system w/high density filler). The new filler was
dropped onto the donut and popriveted in the same manner. I then used West
Epoxy w/ light weight filler to clean up the top. My new fillers ended up about
1/4" above the surface of the tank. I faired them into the tank top with West
out to about a 6" radius. This turned out good so water can't stand on
fillers.
Just a thought, if you were to fabricate the 5" donut and cut through one
side (like a split lock washer), you might be able to work the donut into the
tank then continue to attach as previously explained. BTW, I used a piece of
fiberglass boat to make my donuts (almost 1/4" thick). Cleaned them up and
painted with West Epoxy. The tank had a slight curvature in the filler area so
I
had to sand the 1/4" donut to give me a good fit to the tank. Going with
thinner fiberglass for the donut might be the trick to prevent from having to do
this It will bend to the existing tank. This will probably work without having
to cut an access hole in the tank. Start by purchasing the recessed fillers
first to see what you have to work with.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Compass mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/05 7:14:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, lpers@mchsi.com
writes:
<< I tried mounting a vertical card compass in my panel (KF-IV/912UL) and
couldn't get it to work satisfactorily in spite of degaussing and using
magnetic shielding, etc. As I recall, others have encountered similar
problems. I think most Kitfoxers feel that the best compass mounting
location is on top of the glare shield or in some other location away
from the panel face.
>>
I had a hard time finding a place for my compass. On top of the glareshield
didn't work either. I ended up temporarily attaching the compass in several
different location and found that just above the throttle worked best of any
place in the plane.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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-0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Steve I have looked for the answer to the question of who is the
manufacturer before. My avid flyer is registered as a Victor Malzahn a
previous and now deceased owner. The model is Avid Flyer. Others that I
have run the n number through googe come up as the builders name with
the Kitfox 4 as the model. That is how I intend to register my
Speedster. Only one I saw came up as a Skystar manufacturer and kitfox
model. Curiously it was on faa crash report. What is the manufacturer
listed on yours now? Ron
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| Subject: | model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Dont suppose any of this beautiful work was documented with pictures for
the visual learners like me. I really like the idea of the flush caps and
remote vented tanks. Please ell me they are almost on sport flight.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Handling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Don , Good point but you set your toe via the tailwheel?
More than likely you meant Tracking as toe can only be accurately set
between the left and right Main gear.
With the tail on the ground it could cause a tracking issue and undue strain
on the tail wheel and spring attach --laterally.( side to side)
But highly unlikey it would cause tire wear unless extreme.
Good point though,
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: <DC91840@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ground Handling
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
>
> I have a Classis IV and used all kit parts with
> Grove gear.
> when I fill my tanks and install my 215# the
> tail wheel pivot actually leans a little
> forward. Be sure your toe is adjusted
> correctly. I set mine using the tailwheel
> center as an alignment point. No toe.
> Hope this helps.Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: door latch question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I was recently looking at the pictures I took of your plane, Bill, and
I saw that you had just the one latch as well as the keyed lock. I'm
still undecided as to which way to go. If I didn't have the double-pin
kit, AND the retro-fit kit already, I'd probably go with just the
bottom latch, too. When the instructions arrive, I'll be better able to
make a decision.
Lynn
On Monday, January 10, 2005, at 09:18 AM, Wwillyard@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
>
> Lynn, I have the bottom latch only and have found that it works well.
> I also found that with the bottom latch a small cam lock can be added
> so that you can lock the doors to keep the honest people honest.
>
> Bill W
> Classic IV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for clearing that up, Don. I was going to vent them like you
did, after reading about fuel spillage possibly getting into the
flaperons and causing damage. If the SS venting system (through the
elevated tubes in the caps) works ok, then I'll stay with that and save
myself a lot of work. Of course, I'll have to stop short of putting in
every last drop of fuel that the tank will hold. : )
Lynn
On Monday, January 10, 2005, at 10:44 AM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Lynn,
> See below
>
> << Just to be clear, you vented BOTH
> wing tanks in the manner you describe, right?<<
>
> Correct
>
> << because venting just the left tank would allow the header tank to
> vent, >>
>
> The vents I put in have nothing to do with the header. The header is
> still
> vented just like the SS instructions. I had to add these new vents to
> support
> the two new recessed (non-vented) filler caps I installed. If I
> hadn't added
> these filler caps, I would have stayed with the SS provided setup. I
> was
> intrigued by the recessed type to reduce drag and, it's looks better.
> (IMO)
>
> My tanks were also installed at the time but not covered. Sounds like
> your
> method will work just fine but, I wonder why you want to bother with
> adding the
> vents unless you are also planning on doing recessed filler caps.
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| Subject: | [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | wing tanks and header tank vents. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
If your interested in a little bit different appoach to venting. Take a look
at Photo share, I have posted a couple of pictures of how I vented my header
tank and wing tanks.
Dee Young
Model II
N34DY
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I appreciate your thoughts. I certainly agree that radio noise can run a
person nuts trying to locate it. Soon as Vertex Standard gets my handheld
back to me I plan to try it and see if I get the same results. Was kinda
wondering if the Rotax 912 ignition system does something strange at higher
rpm. Anyway, I plan to attend the 912 maintenance course at SMLA later this
month. Maybe that will provide some clues.
Again thanks for giving me some ideas.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyle Persels" <lpers@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radio Noise
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
>
> I haven't seen a response to your query, so I thought I'd chip in.
>
> Radio noise problems are sometimes complex and difficult to solve. There
> are some simple trouble shooting techniques such as noting tone and
> intensity variations with changes in engine RPM, or powering your
> receiver from a source independent of the aircraft electrical systems.
> If you're not able to get the help you need here I'd recommend you look
> into the aeroelectric list at
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/consulting.html. Bob Nuckolls is sometimes
> considered to be controversial because he's a bit of an iconoclast who
> doesn't hesitate to deviate from long-held conventional ideas and
> practices, but in my opinion his counsel is excellent.
>
> I tried mounting a vertical card compass in my panel (KF-IV/912UL) and
> couldn't get it to work satisfactorily in spite of degaussing and using
> magnetic shielding, etc. As I recall, others have encountered similar
> problems. I think most Kitfoxers feel that the best compass mounting
> location is on top of the glare shield or in some other location away
> from the panel face.
>
> Lyle
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
> >
> >Flying today I noticed that my radio receiver was noisy above 4000 rpm.
Below 4000 rpm the receiver is very clear. My radio is a KX125.
> >
> >Would appreciate any thoughts on were to look for this problem.
> >
> >Also, I am about to try mounting a vertical card compass in my dash. Has
anyone been successful with a vertical card compass mounted in the dash?
> >
> >Jimmie
> >Model IV Speedster 912 UL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/05 8:46:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, lynnmatt@jps.net
writes:
<< Thanks for clearing that up, Don. I was going to vent them like you
did, after reading about fuel spillage possibly getting into the
flaperons and causing damage. If the SS venting sy >>
Let me clear that one up. I only get a little fuel spillage during taxi with
full tanks. And that only occurs during a ground turn. The vents are toward
the leading edge and the fuel never gets anywhere near the flapperons. On
the other hand, fuel leaking on top of a wing could roll off directly into the
flapperons. Good point.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: model IV wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/10/05 8:08:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
turboflyer@comcast.net writes:
<<
Dont suppose any of this beautiful work was documented with pictures for
the visual learners like me. I really like the idea of the flush caps and
remote vented tanks. Please ell me they are almost on sport flight.
Rick
>>
What beautiful work? I never said that. Ha. Unfortunately, I did not
document this with any pictures. It is pretty straight forward. If you want,
contact me off list and I'll answer as many question as you have.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
As I see it , the kitbuilder is the manufacturer any way and not
Kitfox/Skystar. If you want to get the repairman cert you will have to do
that. another option, if you are an airport bum, is to get an A&P by
working with an A&P on your a/c and loging the time to get the signoff to
take the test. I dont know the exact time and type of work needed ( I got
mine in school @CMSU)but your local fsdo could answer that. As for changing
the gross weight there is no other way that I am aware of. However I have a
Clasic IV that is almost finished and thought that the clasic IV would
qualify for sport plane (1200) was yours tested to a higher weight limit
and if so how much.
Kirk CLasic IV in Kansas City MO.
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kind of confused about the last sentence
But, All of this was from the original crash. Now, as far as reregistering
the aircraft, I'm quit aware of what FAA says and to put this under a new
registration I will of course need to list the plane distroyed, then I
purchase the parts as salvage and then rebuild under a plans airplane, this
is where I give it a name and a serial no. I don't think I like this too
much because now the airplane is no longer a kitfox and I'm now the
manufacture. Don't like that part at all.
steve
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| Subject: | Sport Planes -0800 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
My guess is that the one that list skystar as the manufacturer was probably
a test plane owned or at least built by the company
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Steve I have looked for the answer to the question of who is the
manufacturer before. My avid flyer is registered as a Victor Malzahn a
previous and now deceased owner. The model is Avid Flyer. Others that I
have run the n number through googe come up as the builders name with
the Kitfox 4 as the model. That is how I intend to register my
Speedster. Only one I saw came up as a Skystar manufacturer and kitfox
model. Curiously it was on faa crash report. What is the manufacturer
listed on yours now? Ron
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| Subject: | Sport Planes -0800 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Still kitfox4, what I have found out, is if I wanted to get the mechanics
certification, I can't deregister the airplane and then recertify the plane,
but I would have to rebuild the plane as a plans built plane and put the
model as say a, foxybaby with a serial number of lets say 1. Then I can
register the aircraft and then it will become a steve..... foxybaby. It
will no longer be a kitfox4. Don't think I like this option.
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Schick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Steve I have looked for the answer to the question of who is the
manufacturer before. My avid flyer is registered as a Victor Malzahn a
previous and now deceased owner. The model is Avid Flyer. Others that I
have run the n number through googe come up as the builders name with
the Kitfox 4 as the model. That is how I intend to register my
Speedster. Only one I saw came up as a Skystar manufacturer and kitfox
model. Curiously it was on faa crash report. What is the manufacturer
listed on yours now? Ron
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kurt,
for my airplane currently, I do not need any special sign off to fly it
again other than an annual. I don't see any problem with doing that. I was
more interested in getting the repairmans certification. Now when I
mentioned the manufacture as being skystar, I goofed, I meant the model is a
kitfox4 and to do anything now to get the mechanics certification, I will
need to go for a totally different airplane and the only way to do that is
to built a plans airplane with parts from a salvaged plane. This is how I
understand everything.
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
As I see it , the kitbuilder is the manufacturer any way and not
Kitfox/Skystar. If you want to get the repairman cert you will have to do
that. another option, if you are an airport bum, is to get an A&P by
working with an A&P on your a/c and loging the time to get the signoff to
take the test. I dont know the exact time and type of work needed ( I got
mine in school @CMSU)but your local fsdo could answer that. As for changing
the gross weight there is no other way that I am aware of. However I have a
Clasic IV that is almost finished and thought that the clasic IV would
qualify for sport plane (1200) was yours tested to a higher weight limit
and if so how much.
Kirk CLasic IV in Kansas City MO.
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kind of confused about the last sentence
But, All of this was from the original crash. Now, as far as reregistering
the aircraft, I'm quit aware of what FAA says and to put this under a new
registration I will of course need to list the plane distroyed, then I
purchase the parts as salvage and then rebuild under a plans airplane, this
is where I give it a name and a serial no. I don't think I like this too
much because now the airplane is no longer a kitfox and I'm now the
manufacture. Don't like that part at all.
steve
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks and header tank vents. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Dee,
I got your seperate e-mail pics too. You plane looks
very well done.
This looks like a very interesting approach, but I am
still a bit confused. If I understand correctly, you
limited the wing tank vents to a 1/16th hole. Then
you added an extra vent to the header tank, or is this
the usual header tank vent, but routed above the
cockpit instead of to the right tank?
That check valve looks like a good idea. Is it a
small PVC valve, or some other vacuum valve?
You said it lest air into the header tank, but not
fuel out. If air is getting in to the header, it then
vents up to the main tanks, right?
As I said, I am confused. :~)
Kurt S.
--- Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> If your interested in a little bit different appoach
> to venting. Take a look at Photo share, I have
> posted a couple of pictures of how I vented my
> header tank and wing tanks.
>
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N34DY
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Handling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Don,
That first part was to be a joke about your weight,
which is probably 40+ lbs less than mine, not your
plane's weight. :-)
Reminds me of that one demo pilot SS used because he
weighed less than the fuel. He got great performance!
What I was hoping you would do is take a pic of the
plane head on showing the gear with 2 people in the
plane. Then take a close up of one of the tire angles
and wear to show Grove that you need an adjustment.
Hopefully Grove can just change the angle of the gear
at the wheel axel point so you keep the same prop
clearance.
Kurt S.
--- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << Don,
>
> Maybe you don't weigh enough?
>
> Kurt,
> A little history...The List helped name my
> airplane. FAT ALBERT ..........
> I definitely weigh enough.
>
> Don Smythe
> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
__________________________________
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| Subject: | wing tanks and header tank vents. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I vented my panel tank to my wing tank. My wing tank line feeds down the
pilot side through clear urethane tube and my panel tank vent line runs up
the passenger side through clear urethane tube.
I can see when my fuel is running and also, when my panel tank is full I see
fuel run up the right hand side tube. It will balance at about 1/2 way up
the vent line even when the wing tank is still full.
Simple with good visual reference
GaryA
Lite2/582
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Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:13:48 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Jimmie,
I have a vertical card compass in my dash that has been working just great since
2001. The "trick" was to use the extra strength balancing balls (special order
from the compass manufacturer).
Roger Standley
IV-1200, 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Radio Noise
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
Flying today I noticed that my radio receiver was noisy above 4000 rpm. Below
4000 rpm the receiver is very clear. My radio is a KX125.
Would appreciate any thoughts on were to look for this problem.
Also, I am about to try mounting a vertical card compass in my dash. Has anyone
been successful with a vertical card compass mounted in the dash?
Jimmie
Model IV Speedster 912 UL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
I also have a trailer. Jeff
> [Original Message]
> From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/10/2005 9:12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: long XC
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Appreciate the offer Jeff and it may work out that way. I've got your
> number written down and will have it with me.
> Thanks much.
> Deke
>
> From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > Deke,
> > I am based in Columbus, Ohio at Bolton Field KTZR. They have a resturant
> on
> > the field and I can run you any whrere you need to go. My number is
> > 614-871-3155. If you have any problems in Ohio call me. Jeff puls
Classic
> > IV.
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 1/9/2005 2:12:12 PM
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: long XC
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > Next Wednesday I'll be flying commercial from here in Michigan to
> Florida.
> > > The purpose is to pick up a Kitfox and fly it home shortly after as
the
> > > weather permits. I don't really know what my route will be, but I've
> got
> > > all the charts, directories, and current GPS196. The plan is to fly
> point
> > > to point about 2.5 hours per leg with refueling at each stop, close
old
> > > flight plan and open a new one each time. The reason for point to
point
> > is
> > > to keep my route and stops flexible. It's nearly 1200 miles and I
> figure
> > > about 11-12 hours flying time so I plan to take at least two days to
> make
> > > the trip, however with weather it can easily take longer.
> > > My route will be generally direct from Tampa area, northward to
> somewhere
> > > near Knoxville, and onward up to NE Michigan. If flying conditions
> allow
> > > I'm hoping to get 8 hours in the first day, but it's flexible.
> > > Anybody along that route that can recommend some fuel/food stops? Any
> > > airports that have accomodations within walking or courtesy car
> distance?
> > I
> > > haven't made a long cross country in a long time so any help or advice
> > would
> > > be appreciated.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Deke Morisse
> > > NE Michigan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | wing tanks and header tank vents. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>This looks like a very interesting approach, but I am
>still a bit confused. If I understand correctly, you
>limited the wing tank vents to a 1/16th hole.
Yes, and this has greatly reduced the cross feeding and eliminated some of
the slobbering or fuel through the vents.
This is the usual header tank vent and is run up to the cockpit and vented
through the check valve which pentrates the wind screen.
It is a small PVC valve and is not effected by AV Gas or Auto Fuel
>You said it lets air into the header tank, but not
>fuel out. If air is getting in to the header, it then
>vents up to the main tanks, right?
Yes if air gets in but I don't believe it ever does. I could always unport
on long decent and low fuel I suppose but to date has not been a problem.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do Not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You mean a trailer for a Kitfox?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: long XC
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> I also have a trailer. Jeff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/10/2005 9:12:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: long XC
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Appreciate the offer Jeff and it may work out that way. I've got your
> > number written down and will have it with me.
> > Thanks much.
> > Deke
> >
> > From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
> > > Deke,
> > > I am based in Columbus, Ohio at Bolton Field KTZR. They have a
resturant
> > on
> > > the field and I can run you any whrere you need to go. My number is
> > > 614-871-3155. If you have any problems in Ohio call me. Jeff puls
> Classic
> > > IV.
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > > To: Kitfox List <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Date: 1/9/2005 2:12:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: long XC
> > > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > >
> > > > Next Wednesday I'll be flying commercial from here in Michigan to
> > Florida.
> > > > The purpose is to pick up a Kitfox and fly it home shortly after as
> the
> > > > weather permits. I don't really know what my route will be, but
I've
> > got
> > > > all the charts, directories, and current GPS196. The plan is to fly
> > point
> > > > to point about 2.5 hours per leg with refueling at each stop, close
> old
> > > > flight plan and open a new one each time. The reason for point to
> point
> > > is
> > > > to keep my route and stops flexible. It's nearly 1200 miles and I
> > figure
> > > > about 11-12 hours flying time so I plan to take at least two days to
> > make
> > > > the trip, however with weather it can easily take longer.
> > > > My route will be generally direct from Tampa area, northward to
> > somewhere
> > > > near Knoxville, and onward up to NE Michigan. If flying conditions
> > allow
> > > > I'm hoping to get 8 hours in the first day, but it's flexible.
> > > > Anybody along that route that can recommend some fuel/food stops?
Any
> > > > airports that have accomodations within walking or courtesy car
> > distance?
> > > I
> > > > haven't made a long cross country in a long time so any help or
advice
> > > would
> > > > be appreciated.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Deke Morisse
> > > > NE Michigan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I just looked at the pictures of the vent. I would think if fuel cant get
out then air cant get in depending on how much vacuum is created by the
vent/venturi tube sticking into the air . If it were bent forward like the
fuel vent cap maybe not. Just an observation, and you said it works so what
do I know, but I would suspect your header tank is mostly vented by the fuel
tank vents. You do take the red caps off the fuel caps before flight, right.
I would put a long red flag on those babies but I like the idea so fuel
doesn't drip out or bugs crawl in.
I also noticed the strobe. Don't guess that gets turned on at night, right.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Email List
Photo Shares
Subject: Kitfox-List: [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares
<pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: Header Tank Vent
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I am sure this idea is not well suited to everyone but has proven to work
well for me. The reason the fuel can't get out is its a one way valve that
can draw air in but not push it out.The caps stay on fuel tank vents all the
time and have a 1/16 dia. hole in each.
Awh the strobe he says, there are a few dusters fly out of the field, I like
to be seen when on the ground and at low altitude and I stay home at night.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do Not Archive
>From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share
>Available!
>Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:50:25 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>I just looked at the pictures of the vent. I would think if fuel cant get
>out then air cant get in depending on how much vacuum is created by the
>vent/venturi tube sticking into the air . If it were bent forward like the
>fuel vent cap maybe not. Just an observation, and you said it works so what
>do I know, but I would suspect your header tank is mostly vented by the
>fuel
>tank vents. You do take the red caps off the fuel caps before flight,
>right.
>I would put a long red flag on those babies but I like the idea so fuel
>doesn't drip out or bugs crawl in.
>I also noticed the strobe. Don't guess that gets turned on at night, right.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Email List
>Photo Shares
>To: Email List Photo Shares
>Subject: Kitfox-List: [ Dee Young ] : New Email List Photo Share
>Available!
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares
><pictures@matronics.com>
>
>
>A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
>
> Subject: Header Tank Vent
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/henrysfork1@msn.com.01.10.2005/i
>ndex.html
>
>
> o Main Photo Share Index
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>
> o Submitting a Photo Share
>
> If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include
>the
> following information along with your email message and files:
>
> 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
> 2) Your Full Name:
> 3) Your Email Address:
> 4) One line Subject description:
> 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
> 6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
>
> Email the information above and your files and photos to:
>
> pictures@matronics.com
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Thanks Roger
When I start installing it I may contact you for assistance.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radio Noise
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
>
> Jimmie,
>
> I have a vertical card compass in my dash that has been working just great
since 2001. The "trick" was to use the extra strength balancing balls
(special order from the compass manufacturer).
>
> Roger Standley
> IV-1200, 912UL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:01 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Radio Noise
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
>
> Flying today I noticed that my radio receiver was noisy above 4000 rpm.
Below 4000 rpm the receiver is very clear. My radio is a KX125.
>
> Would appreciate any thoughts on were to look for this problem.
>
> Also, I am about to try mounting a vertical card compass in my dash.
Has anyone been successful with a vertical card compass mounted in the dash?
>
> Jimmie
> Model IV Speedster 912 UL
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
They Leak! I've wondered why this occurs. They seem tight. They have the
rubber seal inside...they even give that nice squeak sound when you screw
them on...but they leak. They leak when I fold my wings. They leak like a
sieve and make a terrible mess of the airplane. I don't think I've ever lost
fuel during flight...just when I fold the wings. Any ideas? Is there a
better cap out there?
Steve
Avid Mark IV
Jabiru/Tailwheel
N919SC
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Well said Darrel. I talked with Mike many, many times, and never once did
he ever say that his plane was even close to being heavy or lacked
performance. He put some 980 hours on his Fox in just 18 months,(That alone
has to be some kind of record) giving rides and helping anyone who asked
with building there Fox.
I would like to know why fellow Kitfox builders/pilots have to resort to
posting miss information and/or out of context conversations as "Fact". It
simple does not help anyone, but sure leaves a BIG IMPRESSION on those
setting on the side lines trying to make a decision on what to purchase.
(Maybe it's a way to help justify there own engine/prop choice)
Lance Wheeler, Kitfox 5 & Glastar builder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choices
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
--> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> Just some second hand information on this Model IV and NSI thing.
> Michael Harter put the NSI in his classic IV and mentioned a couple
> times that he regretted the choice. He was way heavy and just about
> always flew over
gross. Not
> to mention the fact that John King used to have to throttle back his
> Rotax
912
> to keep from flying circles around him.
I have to partially agree with the above statement. Yes, the NSI (why is it
always NSI? How about Stratus, Eggenfelner, and several others?) is not a
perfect match for the IV because of the gross weight limitations. However
there are a lot of satisfied owners of that combination, some of who are on
this list and I think they grow very weary of people telling them that their
choice was wrong. As for the last part, "flying circles around him" is a bit
of an exageration in that Mike should have been able to easily cruise at 110
with that CAP prop. My S5 which is larger and heavier than the IV, will
cruise all day at 110 with 65 percent power at 4gph. Then again, I have
lots of fairings. I had several conversations with Mike via phone and at no
time did he even imply that he wasn't happy with his choice. He did say
that he needed to take some time to fair up his struts and other areas, but
was having too much fun flying to take the airplane down for that long. IMO
the perfect match for the Classic IV is the 912S with lots of fairings. It
would be a real rocket. However, the Rotax 912 has gotten very expensive
and many people who can't afford it are looking for less expensive
alternatives. This is what "Experimental" is all about and it's been going
on since the 40s so lets let people experiment without having to feel guilty
for it. Darrel NE Michigan
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Lance,
Needed to ask you a question regarding the Prop flange on the NSI. What
is
the bolt pattern and for what size ??
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of NSI AERO
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Well said Darrel. I talked with Mike many, many times, and never once did
he ever say that his plane was even close to being heavy or lacked
performance. He put some 980 hours on his Fox in just 18 months,(That alone
has to be some kind of record) giving rides and helping anyone who asked
with building there Fox.
I would like to know why fellow Kitfox builders/pilots have to resort to
posting miss information and/or out of context conversations as "Fact". It
simple does not help anyone, but sure leaves a BIG IMPRESSION on those
setting on the side lines trying to make a decision on what to purchase.
(Maybe it's a way to help justify there own engine/prop choice)
Lance Wheeler, Kitfox 5 & Glastar builder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choices
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
--> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> Just some second hand information on this Model IV and NSI thing.
> Michael Harter put the NSI in his classic IV and mentioned a couple
> times that he regretted the choice. He was way heavy and just about
> always flew over
gross. Not
> to mention the fact that John King used to have to throttle back his
> Rotax
912
> to keep from flying circles around him.
I have to partially agree with the above statement. Yes, the NSI (why is it
always NSI? How about Stratus, Eggenfelner, and several others?) is not a
perfect match for the IV because of the gross weight limitations. However
there are a lot of satisfied owners of that combination, some of who are on
this list and I think they grow very weary of people telling them that their
choice was wrong. As for the last part, "flying circles around him" is a bit
of an exageration in that Mike should have been able to easily cruise at 110
with that CAP prop. My S5 which is larger and heavier than the IV, will
cruise all day at 110 with 65 percent power at 4gph. Then again, I have
lots of fairings. I had several conversations with Mike via phone and at no
time did he even imply that he wasn't happy with his choice. He did say
that he needed to take some time to fair up his struts and other areas, but
was having too much fun flying to take the airplane down for that long. IMO
the perfect match for the Classic IV is the 912S with lots of fairings. It
would be a real rocket. However, the Rotax 912 has gotten very expensive
and many people who can't afford it are looking for less expensive
alternatives. This is what "Experimental" is all about and it's been going
on since the 40s so lets let people experiment without having to feel guilty
for it. Darrel NE Michigan
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
If you are not the origional builder of the aircraft no . the only option
would be an A&P ticket which you could get by working with a mechanic and
loging your time. once you can show the FAA that you have the required on
the job training ( any A&P that is willing can sign your logbook)you can get
the signoff to take the tests. The test are about as easy as they come.
Buy the book, read the book, pass the test.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kurt,
for my airplane currently, I do not need any special sign off to fly it
again other than an annual. I don't see any problem with doing that. I was
more interested in getting the repairmans certification. Now when I
mentioned the manufacture as being skystar, I goofed, I meant the model is a
kitfox4 and to do anything now to get the mechanics certification, I will
need to go for a totally different airplane and the only way to do that is
to built a plans airplane with parts from a salvaged plane. This is how I
understand everything.
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
As I see it , the kitbuilder is the manufacturer any way and not
Kitfox/Skystar. If you want to get the repairman cert you will have to do
that. another option, if you are an airport bum, is to get an A&P by
working with an A&P on your a/c and loging the time to get the signoff to
take the test. I dont know the exact time and type of work needed ( I got
mine in school @CMSU)but your local fsdo could answer that. As for changing
the gross weight there is no other way that I am aware of. However I have a
Clasic IV that is almost finished and thought that the clasic IV would
qualify for sport plane (1200) was yours tested to a higher weight limit
and if so how much.
Kirk CLasic IV in Kansas City MO.
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kind of confused about the last sentence
But, All of this was from the original crash. Now, as far as reregistering
the aircraft, I'm quit aware of what FAA says and to put this under a new
registration I will of course need to list the plane distroyed, then I
purchase the parts as salvage and then rebuild under a plans airplane, this
is where I give it a name and a serial no. I don't think I like this too
much because now the airplane is no longer a kitfox and I'm now the
manufacture. Don't like that part at all.
steve
_
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Steve,
I don't know about a better cap, but a couple of years back a list member
bought a bunch or Mercedes Benz gas caps that he made available to fellow
listers for a small fee. They work great.
I maybe able to find something in my files if you want more info.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Caps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
They Leak! I've wondered why this occurs. They seem tight. They have the
rubber seal inside...they even give that nice squeak sound when you screw
them on...but they leak. They leak when I fold my wings. They leak like a
sieve and make a terrible mess of the airplane. I don't think I've ever lost
fuel during flight...just when I fold the wings. Any ideas? Is there a
better cap out there?
Steve
Avid Mark IV
Jabiru/Tailwheel
N919SC
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Are you saying to become an A&P I can do this? Might be worth checking
into. What is the name on the book?
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
If you are not the origional builder of the aircraft no . the only option
would be an A&P ticket which you could get by working with a mechanic and
loging your time. once you can show the FAA that you have the required on
the job training ( any A&P that is willing can sign your logbook)you can get
the signoff to take the tests. The test are about as easy as they come.
Buy the book, read the book, pass the test.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kurt,
for my airplane currently, I do not need any special sign off to fly it
again other than an annual. I don't see any problem with doing that. I was
more interested in getting the repairmans certification. Now when I
mentioned the manufacture as being skystar, I goofed, I meant the model is a
kitfox4 and to do anything now to get the mechanics certification, I will
need to go for a totally different airplane and the only way to do that is
to built a plans airplane with parts from a salvaged plane. This is how I
understand everything.
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Planes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
As I see it , the kitbuilder is the manufacturer any way and not
Kitfox/Skystar. If you want to get the repairman cert you will have to do
that. another option, if you are an airport bum, is to get an A&P by
working with an A&P on your a/c and loging the time to get the signoff to
take the test. I dont know the exact time and type of work needed ( I got
mine in school @CMSU)but your local fsdo could answer that. As for changing
the gross weight there is no other way that I am aware of. However I have a
Clasic IV that is almost finished and thought that the clasic IV would
qualify for sport plane (1200) was yours tested to a higher weight limit
and if so how much.
Kirk CLasic IV in Kansas City MO.
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
Kind of confused about the last sentence
But, All of this was from the original crash. Now, as far as reregistering
the aircraft, I'm quit aware of what FAA says and to put this under a new
registration I will of course need to list the plane distroyed, then I
purchase the parts as salvage and then rebuild under a plans airplane, this
is where I give it a name and a serial no. I don't think I like this too
much because now the airplane is no longer a kitfox and I'm now the
manufacture. Don't like that part at all.
steve
_
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve, the caps are vented by the manufacturer as the tube on top is
installed by SS. Look inside and you will see a couple of dimpled holes on
the ridge, they connect to the four holes at the edge of the cap. You need
to seal those vent holes. The Mercedes connection is the rubber gasket -
blue in color - I think the part number is somewhere in the archives.
I just found it, the # is Mercedes part # 140-471-00-79.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Caps
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> They Leak! I've wondered why this occurs. They seem tight. They have the
> rubber seal inside...they even give that nice squeak sound when you screw
> them on...but they leak. They leak when I fold my wings. They leak like a
> sieve and make a terrible mess of the airplane. I don't think I've ever
lost
> fuel during flight...just when I fold the wings. Any ideas? Is there a
> better cap out there?
>
> Steve
> Avid Mark IV
> Jabiru/Tailwheel
> N919SC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "~~Shorty~~" <shortnaked@golden.net>
Suberu is the heaviest choice of the 582 and 912.
I would take a 912 over a suberu any day until the cost factor came into the
equasion.
Then if you area die hard that must have a 4 stroke and cost is a factor
Sure suberu the penalty is extra 200 lbs over a 582 and "possibly " less
maintenance
Performance I not sure I have asked several times on this list for Numbers
of performance 582 vs Suberu but not read it yet.
Just my 2 cents worth.
I like those 4.3 lt chev conversions my self but i think they heavy too.
What is weight and cost of lycoming or continental conversion ? Diamond
Aircraft turfed the rotax 4 stroke for continentals.
what that tell yah>?
Shorty
----- Original Message -----
From: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
>
> Well said Darrel. I talked with Mike many, many times, and never once did
> he ever say that his plane was even close to being heavy or lacked
> performance. He put some 980 hours on his Fox in just 18 months,(That
alone
> has to be some kind of record) giving rides and helping anyone who asked
> with building there Fox.
>
> I would like to know why fellow Kitfox builders/pilots have to resort to
> posting miss information and/or out of context conversations as "Fact".
It
> simple does not help anyone, but sure leaves a BIG IMPRESSION on those
> setting on the side lines trying to make a decision on what to purchase.
> (Maybe it's a way to help justify there own engine/prop choice)
>
> Lance Wheeler, Kitfox 5 & Glastar builder
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choices
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> --> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> > Just some second hand information on this Model IV and NSI thing.
> > Michael Harter put the NSI in his classic IV and mentioned a couple
> > times that he regretted the choice. He was way heavy and just about
> > always flew over
> gross. Not
> > to mention the fact that John King used to have to throttle back his
> > Rotax
> 912
> > to keep from flying circles around him.
>
> I have to partially agree with the above statement. Yes, the NSI (why is
it
> always NSI? How about Stratus, Eggenfelner, and several others?) is not a
> perfect match for the IV because of the gross weight limitations. However
> there are a lot of satisfied owners of that combination, some of who are
on
> this list and I think they grow very weary of people telling them that
their
> choice was wrong. As for the last part, "flying circles around him" is a
bit
> of an exageration in that Mike should have been able to easily cruise at
110
> with that CAP prop. My S5 which is larger and heavier than the IV, will
> cruise all day at 110 with 65 percent power at 4gph. Then again, I have
> lots of fairings. I had several conversations with Mike via phone and at
no
> time did he even imply that he wasn't happy with his choice. He did say
> that he needed to take some time to fair up his struts and other areas,
but
> was having too much fun flying to take the airplane down for that long.
IMO
> the perfect match for the Classic IV is the 912S with lots of fairings. It
> would be a real rocket. However, the Rotax 912 has gotten very expensive
> and many people who can't afford it are looking for less expensive
> alternatives. This is what "Experimental" is all about and it's been
going
> on since the 40s so lets let people experiment without having to feel
guilty
> for it. Darrel NE Michigan
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Handling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
I used the tailwheel and thew prop center to get a true centerline of
the plane. Then I ran a string parallel to the centerline and
touching either the front or rear of the tire/wheel . By measuring the
difference at the tire and the tailwheel point I could calculate
the angle from which I could make the appropiate shim.
Hope this is not too confusing.
Don
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Thank you very much...I'll chase down a couple!
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Caps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve, the caps are vented by the manufacturer as the tube on top is
installed by SS. Look inside and you will see a couple of dimpled holes on
the ridge, they connect to the four holes at the edge of the cap. You need
to seal those vent holes. The Mercedes connection is the rubber gasket -
blue in color - I think the part number is somewhere in the archives.
I just found it, the # is Mercedes part # 140-471-00-79.
Lowell
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From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Caps
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>
> They Leak! I've wondered why this occurs. They seem tight. They have the
> rubber seal inside...they even give that nice squeak sound when you screw
> them on...but they leak. They leak when I fold my wings. They leak like a
> sieve and make a terrible mess of the airplane. I don't think I've ever
lost
> fuel during flight...just when I fold the wings. Any ideas? Is there a
> better cap out there?
>
> Steve
> Avid Mark IV
> Jabiru/Tailwheel
> N919SC
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks and header tank vents. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Dee,
One last question. Does the air go out of the header
tank thru this vent valve too? In other words, does
the valve let air go both ways, but fuel can not vent
out?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> >You said it lets air into the header tank, but not
> >fuel out. If air is getting in to the header, it
> then vents up to the main tanks, right?
>
> Yes if air gets in but I don't believe it ever does.
> I could always unport on long decent and low fuel
> I suppose but to date has not been a problem.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
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