---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/19/05: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - SV: calibrating an altimeter (Michel Verheughe) 2. 12:13 AM - SV: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (Michel Verheughe) 3. 12:28 AM - Re: SV: calibrating an altimeter (r.thomas@za.pwc.com) 4. 01:28 AM - SV: windshield mold (Michel Verheughe) 5. 01:32 AM - SV: Things to do to your Kitfox to live longer (Michel Verheughe) 6. 01:36 AM - SV: SV: Can you zero a hobbs meter? (Michel Verheughe) 7. 02:44 AM - Re: windshield mold (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 8. 03:41 AM - Insurance/Flight Physical (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 9. 05:19 AM - SV: SV: calibrating an altimeter (Michel Verheughe) 10. 06:46 AM - Re: Engine choices moreo n NSI wieght (John Larsen) 11. 06:47 AM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (Floran Higgins) 12. 07:16 AM - unenscribe (Wisner H. Wells) 13. 07:50 AM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (Jimmie Blackwell) 14. 07:55 AM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (Fred Weaver) 15. 09:53 AM - Re: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (Steve Cooper) 16. 10:57 AM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (Glenn Horne) 17. 11:17 AM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 18. 12:29 PM - Re: windshield mold (Fred Shiple) 19. 12:36 PM - Re: Crankcase breather EA-81 (Kerry Skyring) 20. 12:57 PM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (Glenn Horne) 21. 01:56 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (Michel Verheughe) 22. 02:03 PM - Re: windshield mold and a little humor (FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]) 23. 02:14 PM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 24. 02:16 PM - Re: windshield mold and a little humor (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 25. 02:18 PM - Re: windshield mold (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 26. 04:39 PM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (Glenn Horne) 27. 06:30 PM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (chad lively) 28. 06:57 PM - Re: SV: SV: Bungies (Jerry Liles) 29. 08:12 PM - Re: Engine choices moreo n NSI wieght (Rick) 30. 08:14 PM - Re: Crankcase breather EA-81 (Rick) 31. 08:52 PM - Delcom AIR 960 Radio (Rex & Jan Shaw) 32. 09:22 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (Steve Cooper) 33. 10:21 PM - Re: Engine choices (NSI AERO) 34. 10:52 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (kurt schrader) 35. 11:04 PM - Re: Engine choices more on NSI wieght (kurt schrader) 36. 11:13 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (Steve Cooper) 37. 11:25 PM - Re: Engine choices more on NSI wieght (kurt schrader) 38. 11:56 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:16 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: calibrating an altimeter --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com > In short, the GPS uses a mathematical calculation to 'estimate' the > earth's shape. This estimated shape is called a Geoid. Indeed, Roger. My own experience from sailing around the clock with a GPS is that the altitude (only as a curiosity, I sailed always at sea level! :-) was varying as much as 600ft from place to place and time to time. To be honest, this was before Clinton announced the removal of Selective Availability. It is certainly better now. But surely, if you check the GPS indicated altitude at your airfield, fly above it, note your altimeter and GPS, doing it several times, averageing the values ... it could work. What do you think? Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:41 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Hello Steve, > From: Steve Cooper [spdrflyr@earthlink.net] > ...caution about running that thing on the ground. Yes, I was told to be careful on the ground, which I intend to do. > opinion you CAN"T get enough cooling for a Jab. Are you planning on using > the factory baffles? Yes, I am too much of a coward to experiment with anything that is not original! :-) > I broke mine in in the air as advised by Jabiru Pacific I don't intend to break my beautiful engine ... :-) ok, I missed something here, in the English aviator's lingo. What do you mean by "break? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: calibrating an altimeter From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com 08:27:52, Serialize complete at 19/01/2005 08:27:52 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com > Indeed, Roger. My own experience from sailing around the clock with > a GPS is that the altitude (only as a curiosity, I sailed always at > sea level! :-) was varying as much as 600ft from place to place and > time to time. To be honest, this was before Clinton announced the > removal of Selective Availability. It is certainly better now. > But surely, if you check the GPS indicated altitude at your > airfield, fly above it, note your altimeter and GPS, doing it > several times, averageing the values ... it could work. What do you think? I guess you could Michel, but not sure if I would bet my life on it. However if there is a correction or WAAS beacon close by, then there is no problem. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:08 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: windshield mold --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: AlbertaIV@aol.com > That is a very good point that I hadn't fully grasped yet. Neither did I! Kurt has a very good point, Don: Plaster (from Paris or elswhere ;-) is heavy! I am not sure your windshield will support it. ... er, how about ... papier-mache? Lots of newspaper and wallpapering glue? ... just a thought ... maybe not a good one. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:44 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Things to do to your Kitfox to live longer --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: kitfoxjunky [kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com] > Add safety cables between the airframe and the engine. This is one I have considered myself, Gary. I imagine that a Kitfox without engine will be as much uncontrolable as if missing the tail or a wing. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:54 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: SV: Kitfox-List: Can you zero a hobbs meter? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com] > In the end, you may either need to run the hobbs on a > bettery around the clock until it gets to the reading > you want You are right, Kurt. The best way to do it is to remove the Hobbs meter, take it home, connect it to a 12 V source (an old ham has many of those! :-) and let it run about one week to come to the airframe time. That's what I will do. Thanks everyone. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:48 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshield mold --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/18/05 11:54:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, lcfitt@inreach.com writes: << Don, I think this is a good point. I seem to remember you used the .093 Lexan and it might sag some with plaster unless you support the windshield from the inside. I tend to agree with Kurt about using the fiberglass. If it was my project, I would mask thoroughly all surfaces not intended to be >> Lowell, I originally used the .093" but went to the .063" on my last change out. It would definitely sag with weight. I think going with fiberglass could get messy. Knowing me, I would have resin spread from the prop tips to the tailwheel. I think supporting the underside of the windshield might work better for me. Using surgical wrap soaked in plaster (like Michel suggested) should make the mold stronger without having to go too thick. I'm guessing 1/2" thick???? The windshield at the compound bend area should be OK without support? Then again, use some Saran wrap to isolate the aircraft tubing and shoot a bit of Great Stuff foam between windshield and frame On the other hand, If you masked thoroughly as you suggested, and go with fiberglass, the windshield becomes the mold. Once you've completed the layup, just pop it off, clean it, fair it, paint it and, you're done. Always a challenge Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:11 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com I have my insurance renewal form from Falcon. I came to the block that ask for the date of the last flight physical.......Hmmm, I have switched to Sport Pilot and use the old drivers license method. Now, comes the little task of telling Falcon that my last physical has expired but, go ahead and issue me Insurance anyway under Sport Pilot. I can see my rates double or triple due to this little statement. Has anyone faced this dilemma yet? Has your insurance increased by switching to Sport Pilot? Has anyone even talked to their insurance company concerning this? I'm almost afraid to ask the question to Falcon. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:48 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: SV: Kitfox-List: calibrating an altimeter --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com > However if there is a correction or WAAS beacon close by, then there is no > problem. Ah yes, WAAS, whenever it will be implemented over here (or, will it be LAAS?) My GPS is WAAS compatible. I am ready! :-) Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:35 AM PST US From: John Larsen Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices moreo n NSI wieght --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello Kurt; When I fly the under cambered wing, the plane will take off ( ele. 2550, temp 65o f. ) in about 7 seconds and touch down at 46 mph. This is better numbers than when I fly with the conventional airfoil wings but I can get 9 mph better top speed with the conventional wing. The rate of climb is the same with either airfoil about 1100 fpm. The difference is in the angle of climb. The under cambered wing is much better for lifting you off of a short strip. The conventional airfoil is very similar to the Harry Riblett airfoil used on the later KF planes. The planes gross weight is 1400 lb. I can dig up a lot of numbers, but the performance of my plane is about the same as for a Series 7 with a 912S. I have a lot of hours in the KF 7. When running the IVO in-flight adjustable prop, takeoff improves by one second, top speed goes up 9 mph. I can cruise at 110 mph at 3600 rpm. and cruise fuel consumption goes down about 12%. kurt schrader wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > >John, > >What is your gross weight and can you give some >performance figures? > >Kurt S. > >--- John Larsen wrote: > > > >>My Airdale prototype, the Pursang, powered by a >>Stratus Subaru weighs 696 lb with 4 gal of gas >>and the tool kit. >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >http://my.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:07 AM PST US From: "Floran Higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" I am insured with AVEMCO and they renewed my insurance with no questions asked and at the same rate. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > I have my insurance renewal form from Falcon. I came to the block that > ask for the date of the last flight physical.......Hmmm, I have switched to > Sport Pilot and use the old drivers license method. Now, comes the little task > of telling Falcon that my last physical has expired but, go ahead and issue me > Insurance anyway under Sport Pilot. > I can see my rates double or triple due to this little statement. Has > anyone faced this dilemma yet? Has your insurance increased by switching to > Sport Pilot? Has anyone even talked to their insurance company concerning this? > I'm almost afraid to ask the question to Falcon. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:32 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: unenscribe From: "Wisner H. Wells" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Wisner H. Wells" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:06 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" Don I went through Travers in St. Louis. They did not make a distinction between drivers license or third class medical. Contact me off list if you want to compare experience and rates. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > I have my insurance renewal form from Falcon. I came to the block that > ask for the date of the last flight physical.......Hmmm, I have switched to > Sport Pilot and use the old drivers license method. Now, comes the little task > of telling Falcon that my last physical has expired but, go ahead and issue me > Insurance anyway under Sport Pilot. > I can see my rates double or triple due to this little statement. Has > anyone faced this dilemma yet? Has your insurance increased by switching to > Sport Pilot? Has anyone even talked to their insurance company concerning this? > I'm almost afraid to ask the question to Falcon. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:49 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Don, I would simply put the actual date of your last Physical... I wouldn't even mention Sport Pilot.. If they look at the date and decide it's an issue, they will call you. I went thru that a few years ago when my plane wasn't flying(I was working on it)but I still needed the insurance because of the hangar requirements. They didn't say a word the first year, but called me on the phone the second year. When and if they call, you can then tell them that you "Don't need the medical" as your drivers license does the deed.... I don't believe your rates will be affected at all... The risk for them is lessened anyway as you won't be able to fly after dark. Good Luck, Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > I have my insurance renewal form from Falcon. I came to the block that > ask for the date of the last flight physical.......Hmmm, I have switched to > Sport Pilot and use the old drivers license method. Now, comes the little task > of telling Falcon that my last physical has expired but, go ahead and issue me > Insurance anyway under Sport Pilot. > I can see my rates double or triple due to this little statement. Has > anyone faced this dilemma yet? Has your insurance increased by switching to > Sport Pilot? Has anyone even talked to their insurance company concerning this? > I'm almost afraid to ask the question to Falcon. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:26 AM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" To Break-In or Run-In an engine. During the first couple of hours Jabiru has a specific methodology for operating the engine. The throttle setting should be constantly varied. Don't run it up to 3300 (max RPM) and hold it there for long periods (read: no extended long climbouts) Use a sawtooth climb where the RPM can be continuously changed. After Taxi back, allow the engine to idle at 600 rpm for 30 seconds or so prior to shut down. This will allow the engine temp to drop a little. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Hello Steve, > From: Steve Cooper [spdrflyr@earthlink.net] > ...caution about running that thing on the ground. Yes, I was told to be careful on the ground, which I intend to do. > opinion you CAN"T get enough cooling for a Jab. Are you planning on using > the factory baffles? Yes, I am too much of a coward to experiment with anything that is not original! :-) > I broke mine in in the air as advised by Jabiru Pacific I don't intend to break my beautiful engine ... :-) ok, I missed something here, in the English aviator's lingo. What do you mean by "break? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:31 AM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Don, Go and get another physical. Go to Dr. Carwell no problem in passing it. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > > Don, I would simply put the actual date of your last Physical... I > wouldn't even mention Sport Pilot.. If they look at the date and decide > it's an issue, they will call you. I went thru that a few years ago when > my > plane wasn't flying(I was working on it)but I still needed the insurance > because of the hangar requirements. They didn't say a word the first year, > but called me on the phone the second year. When and if they call, you can > then tell them that you "Don't need the medical" as your drivers license > does the deed.... I don't believe your rates will be affected at all... > The risk for them is lessened anyway as you won't be able to fly after > dark. > Good Luck, > Weav > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com >> >> I have my insurance renewal form from Falcon. I came to the block > that >> ask for the date of the last flight physical.......Hmmm, I have switched > to >> Sport Pilot and use the old drivers license method. Now, comes the >> little > task >> of telling Falcon that my last physical has expired but, go ahead and > issue me >> Insurance anyway under Sport Pilot. >> I can see my rates double or triple due to this little statement. >> Has >> anyone faced this dilemma yet? Has your insurance increased by switching > to >> Sport Pilot? Has anyone even talked to their insurance company >> concerning > this? >> I'm almost afraid to ask the question to Falcon. >> >> Don Smythe >> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:13 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/05 10:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, glennflys@verizon.net writes: << Don, Go and get another physical. Go to Dr. Carwell no problem in passing it. Glenn >> Glenn, I might do that but the Dr. I see now will pass you if you are breathing when you walk in the door. No need to change just don't want to spend the money if not needed. I once went almost 10 years without a current medical. No problem updating if needed. I just received an email from Falcon. Seems there will be no premium change due to switching to sport pilot. At least, that's what they said. Do Not Archive Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:53 PM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshield mold --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple Don, Just putting in my two cents. In 30 years as an orthopedic surgeon I put on a lot of casts. For such a long span as your Fox's windshield you'll need 25-30 layers of cast plaster. Such a mass of plaster will be very heavy for the first 24 hours until the water used for curing evaporates. A cast is cylindrical and can be fairly thin. Short one sided splints can be relatively thin for short spans, but have to get thicker quickly as the span increases- say for a forearm splint compared to a splint for the entire leg. From my experience, splint material to bridge the windshield would be heavy enough to be very unwieldy. Fred do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:29 PM PST US From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crankcase breather EA-81 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Sorry I am off topic but I think Rick has opened something interesting. Rick wrote... >Also found this article which explains what is happening. > Rick I read this with interest. On my Auster I have taken the crank case breather pipe from the Gipsy Major (inverted 4 cylinder -- dry sump) and run it into an aluminium container which I have mounted on the firewall. I regularly drain the oil which gathers there. But sometimes the rocker hats, which contain their own oil bath for the rockers, seem to have an excessive amount of water in them. Do you think my crank case breather set up is contributing to this? The aircraft is flown irregularly i.e. 20 hrs or so per year. Kerry (helping build a KF S5 with 912S) > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:16 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Don, If you can pass the physical you should get it. You may wont to fly something other than your Fox, so if you can pass it get it. If you cant pay call me I will pay for you. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/19/05 10:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > glennflys@verizon.net writes: > > << > Don, > Go and get another physical. Go to Dr. Carwell no problem in passing it. > Glenn >> > > Glenn, > I might do that but the Dr. I see now will pass you if you are > breathing > when you walk in the door. No need to change just don't want to spend the > money if not needed. I once went almost 10 years without a current > medical. No > problem updating if needed. > I just received an email from Falcon. Seems there will be no premium > change due to switching to sport pilot. At least, that's what they said. > > Do Not Archive > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:41 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Steve Cooper wrote: > To Break-In or Run-In an engine. Understood, thank you, Steve. Yes, I read several times the instructions in the installation and maintenance manuals that come on the CD following the engine. Everything you write is there, indeed, and it is how I intend to ... "break mine in the air" ... gosh, I wish one could find another metaphor! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:34 PM PST US From: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: windshield mold and a little humor --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" Just to show how one's background influences how things are interpreted, I at first thought that a fungus was attacking windshields. I'm a corn breeder and the only molds I have experience with are fungi that attack corn, and of course athlete's foot. :) -----Original Message----- From: Fred Shiple [mailto:fredshiple@sbcglobal.net] Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshield mold --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple Don, Just putting in my two cents. In 30 years as an orthopedic surgeon I put on a lot of casts. For such a long span as your Fox's windshield you'll need 25-30 layers of cast plaster. Such a mass of plaster will be very heavy for the first 24 hours until the water used for curing evaporates. A cast is cylindrical and can be fairly thin. Short one sided splints can be relatively thin for short spans, but have to get thicker quickly as the span increases- say for a forearm splint compared to a splint for the entire leg. From my experience, splint material to bridge the windshield would be heavy enough to be very unwieldy. Fred do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:08 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/05 12:57:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, glennflys@verizon.net writes: << Don, If you can pass the physical you should get it. You may wont to fly something other than your Fox, so if you can pass it get it. If you cant pay call me I will pay for you. Glenn >> Now you're talking, send me a check for $80. I knew that someone would feel my pain and come to the rescue. Do Not Archive Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:02 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshield mold and a little humor --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/05 2:04:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com writes: << Just to show how one's background influences how things are interpreted, I at first thought that a fungus was attacking windshields. I'm a corn breeder and the only molds I have experience with are fungi that attack corn, and of course athlete's foot. :) >> I couldn't help but crack up on this one. Good job Do Not Archive Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:56 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshield mold --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/19/05 12:30:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, fredshiple@sbcglobal.net writes: << Don, Just putting in my two cents. In 30 years as an orthopedic surgeon I put on a lot of casts. For such a long span as your Fox's windshield you'll need 25-30 layers of cast plaster. Such a mass of plaster will be >> Well Doc, I guess we are back to the drawing board. There's always someone that can help with all these questions Do Not Archive Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:26 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" To high. My Doc. only $60.00 Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/19/05 12:57:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, > glennflys@verizon.net writes: > > << > Don, > If you can pass the physical you should get it. You may wont to fly > something other than your Fox, so if you can pass it get it. If you cant > pay > call me I will pay for you. > Glenn >> > > Now you're talking, send me a check for $80. I knew that someone would > feel > my pain and come to the rescue. > > Do Not Archive > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:59 PM PST US From: "chad lively" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "chad lively" I recently switched my insurance from AVEMCO to Falcon, issued as Sport Pilot with no medical, drivers license only. Rate is lower with more coverage, was no problem dealing with Agent Jim Nelson, he is the Sport Pilot man so I was told, phone number is 830-257-1000. Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > I have my insurance renewal form from Falcon. I came to the block that > ask for the date of the last flight physical.......Hmmm, I have switched to > Sport Pilot and use the old drivers license method. Now, comes the little task > of telling Falcon that my last physical has expired but, go ahead and issue me > Insurance anyway under Sport Pilot. > I can see my rates double or triple due to this little statement. Has > anyone faced this dilemma yet? Has your insurance increased by switching to > Sport Pilot? Has anyone even talked to their insurance company concerning this? > I'm almost afraid to ask the question to Falcon. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:45 PM PST US From: Jerry Liles Subject: Re: SV: SV: Kitfox-List: Bungies --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles Not in cowboy country Michel. I'm from bayou country - Louisiana - alligators, muskrats, catfish, snapping turtles, crawfish and fishing boats. Jerry Michel Verheughe wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > >>From: Jerry Liles [wliles@bayou.com] >>The waxed whipping cord is also nice, however the nylon cord is more >>readily available to us landlocked types and it does the job. >> >> > >Of course, Jerry. But I believe waxed thread is also used in making leather horse gear like, saddles. ... any cowboy nearby? :-) > >Cheers, >Michel > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:33 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices moreo n NSI wieght --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" What reduction drive gears are you using? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Larsen Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices moreo n NSI wieght --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello Kurt; When I fly the under cambered wing, the plane will take off ................. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:44 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crankcase breather EA-81 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" I think the trick is to get the breather container or catch can lower than the lines that feed it. Second is not to let the contaminated oil muck drain back in the engine. I don't think your doing that any way. The air oil separator or any other device will act as a still and condense moisture back to its liquid state. Also if the flights are short and dont get the oil temps up to 180-210 for awhile the moisture will not get cooked out of the oil. I would recommend three month oil changes for a 20 hours years, but I am paranoid if you haven't guessed. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kerry Skyring Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Crankcase breather EA-81 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Sorry I am off topic but I think Rick has opened something interesting. Rick wrote... >Also found this article which explains what is happening. > Rick I read this with interest. On my Auster I have taken the crank case breather pipe from the Gipsy Major (inverted 4 cylinder -- dry sump) and run it into an aluminium container which I have mounted on the firewall. I regularly drain the oil which gathers there. But sometimes the rocker hats, which contain their own oil bath for the rockers, seem to have an excessive amount of water in them. Do you think my crank case breather set up is contributing to this? The aircraft is flown irregularly i.e. 20 hrs or so per year. Kerry (helping build a KF S5 with 912S) > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:32 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Delcom AIR 960 Radio --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Hi ! Guys, My friend has a Delcom radio model AIR960 and is having trouble. Probably because he hasn't got a Kitfox. Just joking ! He has what we call a 95-10 here in Australia. It's a Col Winton Swing Wing and it's got a Rotax 277 in it. Don't laugh that little motor cruises at 65 knots on 6 litres an hour. OK let's get to the problem. His radio recieves OK but with the motor at anything above idle his transmission breaks up terrible. He uses it handheld but has tried external antennas, mic's and headphones. My old Icom A20 and another handheld both work OK in his plane. Has anybody on list tried a Delcom AIR960 and if so what's it like ? Rex Shaw Australia Classic MKIV/582 rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:53 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" Hey...there is something I've been wondering about and perhaps you could assist me in a little experiment. After I fly for an hour or two, as I taxi back I usually pull one ear muff up from my headset so I can listen for anything weird on the airplane. Especially the engine. I hear a very slightly elevated "mechanical" sound coming from the engine when it's hot. When you get to flying your creation could you try this little test and please report your findings? I've talked to people about this before and I usually get something like, "Huh?" What?...do what" Uhhh, do what? I don't really understand it...they don't seem to get what I'm after. Simply put, "Does the Jabiru 2200 exhibit a slightly elevated metallic sound after it's hot?". I would appreciate your reply. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Steve Cooper wrote: > To Break-In or Run-In an engine. Understood, thank you, Steve. Yes, I read several times the instructions in the installation and maintenance manuals that come on the CD following the engine. Everything you write is there, indeed, and it is how I intend to ... "break mine in the air" ... gosh, I wish one could find another metaphor! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:51 PM PST US From: "NSI AERO" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" Hello John, The CAP 120 and 140 are available in two patterns. Rotax/NSI version 1 is the older (Rotax up to 1995) 100 MM bolt circle with 12 MM drive lugs. The other pattern is the Rotax/NSI version 2 and is 4.00" bolt circle and 13 MM drive lugs with a 1.850 pilot diameter. Hope this helps out. (Sorry for the slow reap once, still trying to catch up from the holidays) Have a great day, Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Lance, Needed to ask you a question regarding the Prop flange on the NSI. What is the bolt pattern and for what size ?? Blue Skies John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of NSI AERO Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" Well said Darrel. I talked with Mike many, many times, and never once did he ever say that his plane was even close to being heavy or lacked performance. He put some 980 hours on his Fox in just 18 months,(That alone has to be some kind of record) giving rides and helping anyone who asked with building there Fox. I would like to know why fellow Kitfox builders/pilots have to resort to posting miss information and/or out of context conversations as "Fact". It simple does not help anyone, but sure leaves a BIG IMPRESSION on those setting on the side lines trying to make a decision on what to purchase. (Maybe it's a way to help justify there own engine/prop choice) Lance Wheeler, Kitfox 5 & Glastar builder -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choices --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" --> > Just some second hand information on this Model IV and NSI thing. > Michael Harter put the NSI in his classic IV and mentioned a couple > times that he regretted the choice. He was way heavy and just about > always flew over gross. Not > to mention the fact that John King used to have to throttle back his > Rotax 912 > to keep from flying circles around him. I have to partially agree with the above statement. Yes, the NSI (why is it always NSI? How about Stratus, Eggenfelner, and several others?) is not a perfect match for the IV because of the gross weight limitations. However there are a lot of satisfied owners of that combination, some of who are on this list and I think they grow very weary of people telling them that their choice was wrong. As for the last part, "flying circles around him" is a bit of an exageration in that Mike should have been able to easily cruise at 110 with that CAP prop. My S5 which is larger and heavier than the IV, will cruise all day at 110 with 65 percent power at 4gph. Then again, I have lots of fairings. I had several conversations with Mike via phone and at no time did he even imply that he wasn't happy with his choice. He did say that he needed to take some time to fair up his struts and other areas, but was having too much fun flying to take the airplane down for that long. IMO the perfect match for the Classic IV is the 912S with lots of fairings. It would be a real rocket. However, the Rotax 912 has gotten very expensive and many people who can't afford it are looking for less expensive alternatives. This is what "Experimental" is all about and it's been going on since the 40s so lets let people experiment without having to feel guilty for it. Darrel NE Michigan advertising on the Matronics Forums. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:13 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Steve, I don't have the Jabiru, but this sounds like valve play when the engine is hot. The best way I know of to check that noise out is to run the engine with the cowl off and, using a stethescope, listen to different parts of the engine while it is running. Watch your temps and that prop! For a long time my stethescope was a long screwdriver or wooden dowel. They work pretty well for the price. Some people use a hose to do the same. You just put one end to your ear and the other end against the engine. You'll hear the clatter when you are near the problem. Just be careful, tie it down, and have someone in the cockpit while you listen to the engine. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Steve Cooper wrote: > Hey...there is something I've been wondering about > and perhaps you could assist me in a little > experiment..... > I hear a very slightly elevated "mechanical" sound > coming from the engine when it's hot.......... > Steve __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:06 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choices more on NSI wieght --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader John Larsen, Just making sure you know this question about gear ratios is addressed to you. Kurt S. --- Rick wrote: > What reduction drive gears are you using? ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:42 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" Thanks Kurt-appreciate the suggestion. It's something that bothers me. I purchased this engine with only 5 hours on it...but I went ahead and rebuilt it anyway. The bottom end was completely upgraded to match the current version of the 2200. This added several hundred dollars up and above the purchase price of the engine. I'd sure hate to have something happen to it. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Steve, I don't have the Jabiru, but this sounds like valve play when the engine is hot. The best way I know of to check that noise out is to run the engine with the cowl off and, using a stethescope, listen to different parts of the engine while it is running. Watch your temps and that prop! For a long time my stethescope was a long screwdriver or wooden dowel. They work pretty well for the price. Some people use a hose to do the same. You just put one end to your ear and the other end against the engine. You'll hear the clatter when you are near the problem. Just be careful, tie it down, and have someone in the cockpit while you listen to the engine. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Steve Cooper wrote: > Hey...there is something I've been wondering about > and perhaps you could assist me in a little > experiment..... > I hear a very slightly elevated "mechanical" sound > coming from the engine when it's hot.......... > Steve __________________________________ http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:26 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choices more on NSI wieght --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Thanks John, I would certainly like to hear more about your upgraded planes from time to time. Your numbers mean you can carry 700 lbs, which is good and is a better comparison to others for utility, IMHO. You also have the power applied to 1400 lbs max, so the performance can be compared from that standpoint too. It would be somewhere between a series IV and V KitFox by gross weight, but a light Soob powered IV by empty weight. As you said, it compares to an S-7 with the 912S. My takeoffs are about 8 seconds at 1300 lbs by comparison. I try to time them from the videos I take. My stall is about the same - 40 knots clean. But my cruise speed is a bit slow still. I am looking at 98 mph at 6 gph. A few more fainings and a recalibration of my ASI is in order. I think my static port has been effected by my radiator scoop, since I now show 125 ft/min descent in level flight. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- John Larsen wrote: > Hello Kurt; > When I fly the under cambered wing, the plane will > take off ( ele. 2550, temp 65o f. ) in about > 7 seconds and touch down at 46 mph. This is > better numbers than when I fly with the conventional > airfoil wings but I can get 9 mph better top speed > with the conventional wing. The rate of > climb is the same with either airfoil about 1100 > fpm. The difference is in the angle of climb. The > under cambered wing is much better for > lifting you off of a short strip. The conventional > airfoil is very similar to the Harry Riblett > airfoil used on the later KF planes. The > planes gross weight is 1400 lb. I can dig up a lot > of numbers, but the performance of my plane is > about the same as for a Series 7 with a 912S. > I have a lot of hours in the KF 7. > When running the IVO in-flight adjustable prop, > takeoff improves by one second, top speed goes up 9 > mph. I can cruise at 110 mph at 3600 > rpm. and cruise fuel consumption goes down about 12%. __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:07 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 FF Kit --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I understand Steve, Can you describe the sound better? The stethescope will likely find the area of concern for you, but I could be wrong about it being the valves. I assumned they are mechanical and not hydraulic valves, for example.... I just looked that up and they are pushrods. At idle, valves clatter faster than the engine is running. You should hear that at the valve covers pretty well. A crank or rod bearing will hammer much slower. The fuel pump can also tap at a slow rate. The thing that gets me is that it does it when hot. That usually is due to engine and push rod expansion at different rates giving more valve noise. Also the oil thins. That would be good since it is the easiest to fix. Check your vavle clearance, hot or cold per the book. I am still just getting used to the noise my NSI makes. Only recently did I even hear the turbo operating. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Steve Cooper wrote: > Thanks Kurt-appreciate the suggestion. It's > something that bothers me. I purchased this engine > with only 5 hours on it...but I went ahead and > rebuilt it anyway. The bottom end was completely > upgraded to match the current version of the 2200. > This added several hundred dollars up and above the > purchase price of the engine. I'd sure hate to have > something happen to it. > > Steve __________________________________