---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/22/05: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:56 AM - French Canadian WAS: 582 Rotax (Michel Verheughe) 2. 02:59 AM - Re: Kreeming a Fuel Tank (Fox5flyer) 3. 03:07 AM - Re: Kreeming a Fuel Tank (Fox5flyer) 4. 03:42 AM - Re: Great Aviation Website (Fox5flyer) 5. 05:32 AM - Re: Great Aviation Website (Steve Zakreski) 6. 05:43 AM - Re: Kreeming a Fuel Tank (Glenn Horne) 7. 05:43 AM - Fw: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 (Clem Nichols) 8. 06:33 AM - Re: Kreeming a Fuel Tank (Ben Baltrusaitis) 9. 06:57 AM - Re: Fw: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 (Steve Zakreski) 10. 08:08 AM - Re: Great Aviation Website (Randy Daughenbaugh) 11. 08:33 AM - Re: Kreeming a Fuel Tank (Lowell Fitt) 12. 08:49 AM - Re: Kreeming a Fuel Tank (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 13. 09:21 AM - Re: Trip across the Rockies (Victor W. Jacko) 14. 10:02 AM - Flaperon problem (Ronald K. Stevens) 15. 10:25 AM - Re: Flaperon problem (Don Pearsall) 16. 10:34 AM - Re: Flaperon problem (Fred Shiple) 17. 12:04 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (Ronald K. Stevens) 18. 12:22 PM - Jabiru Engine noise (Steve Cooper) 19. 01:10 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine noise (Michel Verheughe) 20. 01:27 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine noise (Steve Cooper) 21. 01:59 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (Fox5flyer) 22. 02:20 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (Comp User) 23. 03:08 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies (Stu Bryant) 24. 03:31 PM - Missing Kitfox (David Estapa) 25. 03:54 PM - Re: Missing Kitfox (Don Pearsall) 26. 05:09 PM - Re: Missing Kitfox (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 27. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies (Victor W. Jacko) 28. 06:40 PM - Re: Missing Kitfox (Lynn Matteson) 29. 06:59 PM - Re: Missing Kitfox (Fred Weaver) 30. 07:32 PM - Missing Kitfox (David Estapa) 31. 07:33 PM - Re: Missing Kitfox (jim rodenkirk) 32. 08:03 PM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (John King) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:33 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: French Canadian WAS: 582 Rotax --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Fred Weaver wrote: > Sorry Dude... this site is in French.......... > Makes no sense at all. The root URL is, Fred. But not the forum that follows the full URL, which is in English. BTW, here is the text of a song: I went to the market, mon p'tit panier sous le bras, The first girl I met, c'etait la fille d'un avocat. I love you, vous n'comprenez guere, I love you, vous n'comprenez pas! ... Only Canucks can write that! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:32 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Lowell said: > I don't know what all this means, but I have finally decided to remove the > wing and reslosh the tank. I will use Kreem using, very likely, Deke's > method, except without the water wash. I did a lot of fiberglass years ago > and found that water, wicked into the glass fibers, is almost impossible to > get out. It appeared as blisters under top finishes as it steamed in the > hot sun and this after days of drying after wet sanding. If I were to do it over again, I'd skip the water wash also. I was told to do it by Skystar, but after I'd done it and thought about it, it occurred to me that the MEK had already done the cleaning job. That stuff is the best detergent under the sun and doesn't leave much behind, so I agree. The whole project is pretty messy and will be hard to keep off the wings so come up with some novel ways of capping things off. I found that during the cleaning process pressure would build up in the tank so it needs to be vented somehow. Any input out there on that part? Have fun and let us know how the project goes. Deke Balmy13f, windy, snow, snow, snow snow! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:19 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Probably any of the current sloshes would be fine. Randolph makes one too. It just needs to be thinnable so you can easily coat the entire inside of the tank. Probably best is to call the manufacturer, but sometimes it's prudent to not tell them it's for an airplane. Deke > Instead of using Kreem, has anyone tried sloshing their tanks with a alcohol > fuel resistant epoxy? I have old Kreem coated tanks (not yet installed) > and was thinking of removing the Kreem and sloshing them with a thinned > novolac epoxy like Jeffco makes or an epoxy tank sealer sold by Caswell > Electroplating. Thoughts on the pros and cons of this? If you've done > this, how did you do it? > Bill Anderson > Model 4 - 1050 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:32 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Great Aviation Website --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Good site Steve. Thanks. Deke Retired atc > Here's my new favourite aviation website. For Canadian pilots it is a > goldmine. But 90% still applies to aviation in general. > http://bathursted.ccnb.nb.ca/vatcan/fir/moncton/WeeklyTopics/WeeklyTopicIntr > o.html > SteveZ > Calgary ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:58 AM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Great Aviation Website --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski I take it you all figured out you have to append the second line: "o.html" onto the website address. SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Great Aviation Website --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Good site Steve. Thanks. Deke Retired atc > Here's my new favourite aviation website. For Canadian pilots it is a > goldmine. But 90% still applies to aviation in general. > http://bathursted.ccnb.nb.ca/vatcan/fir/moncton/WeeklyTopics/WeeklyTopicIntr > o.html > SteveZ > Calgary ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:35 AM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Hi Bill, Glenn Horne here. I used the Caswell system (two parts a & b) on one of my tanks (13 gal.) Model II and it worked great for me. I would highly recommend it. Glenn Horne Model II ----- Original Message ----- From: "cjswa" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cjswa" > > List, > > Instead of using Kreem, has anyone tried sloshing their tanks with a > alcohol > fuel resistant epoxy? I have old Kreem coated tanks (not yet installed) > and was thinking of removing the Kreem and sloshing them with a thinned > novolac epoxy like Jeffco makes or an epoxy tank sealer sold by Caswell > Electroplating. Thoughts on the pros and cons of this? If you've done > this, how did you do it? > > Bill Anderson > Model 4 - 1050 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:56 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted M. Cudnick Subject: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 ---------- Subject: Space Ship One ~ Pics This link has some really good pictures of Space Ship One operations http://sd-mirror.dumitru.com/scaled/. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:59 AM PST US From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" Do you guys use automotive fuel injector cleaner in your fuel to keep injectors working? Any effect on the sealers? Thanks! Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Horne To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Hi Bill, Glenn Horne here. I used the Caswell system (two parts a & b) on one of my tanks (13 gal.) Model II and it worked great for me. I would highly recommend it. Glenn Horne Model II ----- Original Message ----- From: "cjswa" To: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cjswa" > > List, > > Instead of using Kreem, has anyone tried sloshing their tanks with a > alcohol > fuel resistant epoxy? I have old Kreem coated tanks (not yet installed) > and was thinking of removing the Kreem and sloshing them with a thinned > novolac epoxy like Jeffco makes or an epoxy tank sealer sold by Caswell > Electroplating. Thoughts on the pros and cons of this? If you've done > this, how did you do it? > > Bill Anderson > Model 4 - 1050 > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:51 AM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski COOOOO-OOOOL SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clem Nichols Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted M. Cudnick Subject: ... SATURDAY MORNING 'GUY' TIME ... # 9 ---------- Subject: Space Ship One ~ Pics This link has some really good pictures of Space Ship One operations http://sd-mirror.dumitru.com/scaled/. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:45 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Great Aviation Website --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" I take it you all figured out you have to append the second line: "o.html" onto the website address. SteveZ Thanks Steve! I missed that. And thanks for telling us about this site! Randy - DO not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:20 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Thanks Deke for the heads-up on the pressure build-up. I was on the Kreem website and they sell a water based product that they sell for the motorcycle group that is sprayed on the painted surface of the fuel tank to prevent damage to the paint. I am thinking about that one. It might be good for a limited area near the filler cap etc. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Lowell said: > > I don't know what all this means, but I have finally decided to remove > the > > wing and reslosh the tank. I will use Kreem using, very likely, Deke's > > method, except without the water wash. I did a lot of fiberglass years > ago > > and found that water, wicked into the glass fibers, is almost impossible > to > > get out. It appeared as blisters under top finishes as it steamed in the > > hot sun and this after days of drying after wet sanding. > > If I were to do it over again, I'd skip the water wash also. I was told to > do it by Skystar, but after I'd done it and thought about it, it occurred to > me that the MEK had already done the cleaning job. That stuff is the best > detergent under the sun and doesn't leave much behind, so I agree. > The whole project is pretty messy and will be hard to keep off the wings so > come up with some novel ways of capping things off. I found that during the > cleaning process pressure would build up in the tank so it needs to be > vented somehow. Any input out there on that part? > Have fun and let us know how the project goes. > Deke > Balmy13f, windy, snow, snow, snow snow! > > > BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > ------------------------------------------------------ > Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 83667593) is spam: > Spam: http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=s&i=83667593&m=877fd5885d72 > Not spam: http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=n&i=83667593&m=877fd5885d72 > Forget vote: http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=f&i=83667593&m=877fd5885d72 > ------------------------------------------------------ > END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:14 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kreeming a Fuel Tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > cleaning process pressure would build up in the tank so it needs to be > vented somehow. Any input out there on that part? > Have fun and let us know how the project goes. > Deke >> Deke, I think you can get a non vented gas cap (auto store) to replace the original for sloshing purposes. When I did mine, I put a 3' piece of clear tubing on the tank fuel outlet with a small valve on the end. Everytime I rolled the wing I would hold the tube high and open the valve for any pressure buildup. Never did get too much pressure but the same pressure warning was talked about back then. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:32 AM PST US From: "Victor W. Jacko" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Trip across the Rockies --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko" John, thanks for the offer. Let me do some planning and I will let you know. Vic -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trip across the Rockies --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net From Page(Grand Canyon) you can pretty much follow I-15 north to Brigham City, UT (KBMC), then I-84 northwest to Caldwell. No serious heights and population all along the way. If you come through Logan(KLGU), I'll buy you lunch and help you haul mogas. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" > > > > Vic, > From just north of Albuquerque go west to AZ. I would suggest flying the vfr > corridor over the grand canyon then lake powell then work your way up to > Caldwell. This is a fabulously beautiful route. You will love it. > Cliff > > > > > Hi List, I am back and would like some advice for a cross country to > > Skystar headquarters in ID. The route will be from Roswell, NM then NW > > toward Albuquerque then on. I would like to know the best (read safest) > > route over the mountains during the winter months. > > > > I would also like to know of some good airports to stop at in line with > > the suggested route. > > > > Yhanks, > > > > Vic > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: motor oil 582 Rotax > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > > > > > > You know Gary, people have done this for many years.......and gotten > > away > > with it for awhile. I too used 30W in a Yamaha with oil injection. It > > worked > > somewhat ok but I fouled plugs whenever I was bucking a headwind and had > > to > > add more throttle to maintain a cruise speed. When I added throttle, it > > also > > increased the stroke of the oil pump. This combination didn't work out > > good > > at all... Under a load like that, it got a little warmer but almost > > always > > fouled one of the plugs. After changing to a GOOD 2 cycle oil (blended > > for > > the oil injection) the fouled plug scenario went away for good. BTW, I > > also > > had some fairly carboned up Heads as well as the piston/ring assembly. > > > > Using the straight 30W was handed down to me from my father who was an > > avid > > outboard boat enthusiast. I always thought he was right on but after a > > couple of years, I got it straightened out in my head and had no more > > problems. I can't imagine running a good 582 into the ground just > > because > > someone is using the incorrect oil. I think you could run spreadsheets a > > lot > > of different ways and it just won't pencil out......It's not > > economically > > reasonable. > > Weav > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Algate" > > To: > > Subject: RE: motor oil RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax > > > > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" > > > >> > >> I'm amazed it even runs using motor oil as a substitute for 2 stroke > > oil. > >> > >> I think you have identified his problem > >> > >> GaryA > >> Lite2/582 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:own > >> er-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert > >> To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' > >> Subject: motor oil RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax > >> > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > >> > >> > >> It's too bad the engine starts at all because he shouldn't be using > > motor > >> oil in substitute for two stroke oil. > >> > >> RPM's are not getting high enough to produce a spark and then the > > engine > >> floods. The poor oil choice will also foul the plugs and make it > > harder to > >> get a good spark. A bare minimum for the oil should be two stroke oil > >> designed for oil injection systems. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young > >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax > >> > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > >> > >> Need some thoughts from the list. Please don't be afraid to speak up > > here. > >> Have a friend who flys a 582. He has only a manual starter and is for > > ever > >> wearing him self out trying to start it. His plugs foul all the time. > > He > >> uses regular 30w automobile oil in his injection system and says its > > just > > as > >> > >> good as the 2 stroke oil which I don't agree but then. Any ideas > >> here???????? and your thoughts on the oil?????? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> Dee Young > >> Model II > >> KFM 112 not 582 > >> > >> > >> Do Not Archive. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From Page(Grand Canyon) you can pretty much follow I-15 north to Brigham City, UT (KBMC), then I-84 northwest to Caldwell. No serious heights and population all along the way. If you come through Logan(KLGU), I'll buy you lunch and help you haul mogas. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" Vic, From just north of Albuquerque go west to AZ. I would suggest flying the vfr corridor over the grand canyon then lake powell then work your way up to Caldwell. This is a fabulously beautiful route. You will love it. Cliff Hi List, I am back and would like some advice for a cross country to Skystar headquarters in ID. The route will be from Roswell, NM then NW toward Albuquerque then on. I would like to know the best (read safest) route over the mountains during the winter months. I would also like to know of some good airports to stop at in line with th e suggested route. Yhanks, Vic -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: motor oil 582 Rotax -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" You know Gary, people have done this for many years.......and gotten away with it for awhile. I too used 30W in a Yamaha with oil injection. It worked somewhat ok but I fouled plugs whenever I was bucking a headwind and had to add more throttle to maintain a cruise speed. When I added throttle, it also increased the stroke of the oil pump. This combin ation didn't work out good at all... Under a load like that, it got a little warmer but almost always fouled one of the plugs. After changing to a GOOD 2 cycle oil (blended for the oil injection) the fouled plug scenario went away for good. BTW, I also had some fairly carboned up Heads as well as the piston/ring assembly. Using the straight 30W was handed down to me from my father who was an avid outboard boat enthusiast. I always thought he was right on but after a couple of years, I got it straightened out in my head and had no more problems. I can't imagine running a good 582 into the ground just because someone is using the incorrect oil. I think you could run spreadsheets a lot of different ways and it just won't pencil ou t......It's not economically reasonable. Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Algate" To: Subject: RE: motor oil RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" I'm amazed it even runs using motor oil as a substitute for 2 stroke oil. I think you have identified his problem GaryA Lite2/582 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:own er-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' Subject: motor oil RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" It's too bad the engine starts at all because he shouldn't be using motor oil in substitute for two stroke oil. RPM's are not getting high enough to produce a spark and then the engine floods. The poor oil choice will also foul the plugs and make it harder to get a good spark. A bare minimum for the oil should be two stroke oil designed for oil injection systems. Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Youn g To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Need some thoughts from the list. Please don't be afraid to speak up here. Have a friend who flys a 582. He has only a manual starter and is for ever wearing him self out trying to start it. His plugs foul all the time. He uses regular 30w automobile oil in his injection system and says its just as good as the 2 stroke oil which I don't agree but then. Any ideas here???????? and your thoughts on the oil?????? Thanks Dee Young Model II KFM 112 not 582 Do Not Archive. matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:15 AM PST US From: "Ronald K. Stevens" Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. It's brand new - still building. Today, I took the plastic wrap off with the intention of riveting the trailing edges. When I opened the shipping foam blanket that the flaperons ship in, I noticed that each of the four flaperon attach brackets on one of my flaperons had dented and cut into the tops of the flaperon skin. I'm thinking that this happened during shipping...but these have been in the basement for quite some time (I didn't really open them up and check 'em out really good when I got them). The box they came it wasn't damaged at all...And externally (through the foam anyway) they "looked" fine. It's as if the flaperon hanger brackets had become scissors and cut into the tops of the flaperon skin. But now...I've got a problem. Can these be fixed? I've been trying to think of a good way to fix em, but haven't come up with a really good solution yet. I'd like to solder on a piece of aluminum to the inside skin, but the heat of soldering I think would melt the foam ribs that are really close to the problem areas. Even considered placing wet rags over the top of the flaperon skin to ack as heat sinks while I solder, but I think that the ribs would probably get destroyed causing an even bigger problem. Has anybody else had this problem. And if so, how'd you fix it? Ron Series 6....stuck on the flaperons :'( ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:54 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Ron, It sounds like the flaperons were damaged before you received them. I would call Skystar and ask if you can send the damaged one back for a replacement. If you did not break it, you should not have to fix it. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald K. Stevens Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. It's brand new - still building. Today, I took the plastic wrap off with the intention of riveting the trailing edges. When I opened the shipping foam blanket that the flaperons ship in, I noticed that each of the four flaperon attach brackets on one of my flaperons had dented and cut into the tops of the flaperon skin. I'm thinking that this happened during shipping...but these have been in the basement for quite some time (I didn't really open them up and check 'em out really good when I got them). The box they came it wasn't damaged at all...And externally (through the foam anyway) they "looked" fine. It's as if the flaperon hanger brackets had become scissors and cut into the tops of the flaperon skin. But now...I've got a problem. Can these be fixed? I've been trying to think of a good way to fix em, but haven't come up with a really good solution yet. I'd like to solder on a piece of aluminum to the inside skin, but the heat of soldering I think would melt the foam ribs that are really close to the problem areas. Even considered placing wet rags over the top of the flaperon skin to ack as heat sinks while I solder, but I think that the ribs would probably get destroyed causing an even bigger problem. Has anybody else had this problem. And if so, how'd you fix it? Ron Series 6....stuck on the flaperons :'( ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:48 AM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple Ron, I had to repair three "cuts" in the flapperons. Discussed the repair with Skystar before doing the following: Prepared a small aluminum patch sized to extend slightly over the edge of the defect. Bonded this with Hysol (bond prep both sides of the repair as you've done elsewhere). Smoothed the margins of the repair and it's barely visible and ready for paint. Fred I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:17 PM PST US From: "Ronald K. Stevens" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" Thanks Don, I do believe that they were most probably damaged in shipping. However, when I signed for them without "thoroughly inspecting" them, I doubt that I'll get too much sympathy from the shippers. Heck, I don't even remember who the shippers were. Could have been UPS...or some other freight company. Don't remember really. As for the paperwor that came with them...you should see my desk...they'll never be found. And, I really doubt it's SkyStars fault and it's probably not fair to expect them to pay for it. (They are really expensive!) I'm sure when they left the factory they were both in good shape. SkyStar should however, put little foam blocks over the hinge brackets as that would alleviate the possibility of this happening to somebody else. I really don't want to buy a new one...I've got better use for $600-$700. And sending mine back would be pretty expensive to. Since, I don't have the crate anymore, I'd have to go to HomeDepot and buy some wood...build a crate...pay for shipping from Virginia to Idaho...Oh, well...you get the idea. I'm bummed.... Ron Don Pearsall wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > >Ron, >It sounds like the flaperons were damaged before you received them. I would >call Skystar and ask if you can send the damaged one back for a replacement. >If you did not break it, you should not have to fix it. > >Don Pearsall > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald K. >Stevens >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" > > >I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. It's brand new - still >building. Today, I took the plastic wrap off with the intention of >riveting the trailing edges. When I opened the shipping foam blanket >that the flaperons ship in, I noticed that each of the four flaperon >attach brackets on one of my flaperons had dented and cut into the tops >of the flaperon skin. I'm thinking that this happened during >shipping...but these have been in the basement for quite some time (I >didn't really open them up and check 'em out really good when I got >them). The box they came it wasn't damaged at all...And externally >(through the foam anyway) they "looked" fine. It's as if the flaperon >hanger brackets had become scissors and cut into the tops of the >flaperon skin. > >But now...I've got a problem. Can these be fixed? I've been trying to >think of a good way to fix em, but haven't come up with a really good >solution yet. I'd like to solder on a piece of aluminum to the inside >skin, but the heat of soldering I think would melt the foam ribs that >are really close to the problem areas. Even considered placing wet rags >over the top of the flaperon skin to ack as heat sinks while I solder, >but I think that the ribs would probably get destroyed causing an even >bigger problem. > >Has anybody else had this problem. And if so, how'd you fix it? > >Ron >Series 6....stuck on the flaperons :'( > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:54 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engine noise --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" To Michel and other interested list members, Thanks guys for the assistance with my noise problem. I spent the later part of last week in Palm Springs so it was difficult to reply to email at that time. To the guys on the Jabiruengines list, thanks to Pete and the rest who responded. I have checked things like muffler springs, exhaust flanges and the like... and I checked the heat muff attachment to make sure it was tight after the engine heated up. It doesn't appear that any of those elements are a cause of the sound. I'm 99% certain that the sound is emanating from within the engine itself. I'm nearly convinced that the sound I'm hearing is just a slightly elevated engine noise which is produced by the running engine. As the engine is heated materials expand due to the heating and therefore tolerances change. (I HOPE!) Anyway, Michel, if you could, when you get your running would you please report what you find? Appreciate it. Steve Cooper ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:27 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engine noise --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Steve Cooper wrote: > Anyway, Michel, if you could, when > you get your running would you please report what you find? Appreciate it. I will, Steve. My engine won't run tomorrow, as I had hoped to ... delays ... but you know that, I am talking to the Kitfox Builder list, right? :-) Anyway, if your noise keeps you awake at night (a form of speech, of course! :-) Steve, you can always come to the Jabiru list at yahoo.jabiruengines. I am sure you'll find people there quite competent. Severak Jabiru retailers are on that list. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:52 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engine noise --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" Thanks Michel...I appreciate the invitation. I may just do that. Do I loose sleep over it? Of course! :) Good luck with your project Michel. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engine noise --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Steve Cooper wrote: > Anyway, Michel, if you could, when > you get your running would you please report what you find? Appreciate it. I will, Steve. My engine won't run tomorrow, as I had hoped to ... delays ... but you know that, I am talking to the Kitfox Builder list, right? :-) Anyway, if your noise keeps you awake at night (a form of speech, of course! :-) Steve, you can always come to the Jabiru list at yahoo.jabiruengines. I am sure you'll find people there quite competent. Severak Jabiru retailers are on that list. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:27 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" I like Fred Shiple's idea about glueing little patches on them. .016 would work fine. Do a tidy job and when painted they wouldn't be noticed. Might even look like they belong there. Shouldn't take long. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald K. Stevens" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" > > Thanks Don, > > I do believe that they were most probably damaged in shipping. However, > when I signed for them without "thoroughly inspecting" them, I doubt > that I'll get too much sympathy from the shippers. Heck, I don't even > remember who the shippers were. Could have been UPS...or some other > freight company. Don't remember really. As for the paperwor that came > with them...you should see my desk...they'll never be found. > > And, I really doubt it's SkyStars fault and it's probably not fair to > expect them to pay for it. (They are really expensive!) I'm sure when > they left the factory they were both in good shape. SkyStar should > however, put little foam blocks over the hinge brackets as that would > alleviate the possibility of this happening to somebody else. > > I really don't want to buy a new one...I've got better use for > $600-$700. And sending mine back would be pretty expensive to. Since, > I don't have the crate anymore, I'd have to go to HomeDepot and buy some > wood...build a crate...pay for shipping from Virginia to Idaho...Oh, > well...you get the idea. > > I'm bummed.... > > Ron > > Don Pearsall wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > >Ron, > >It sounds like the flaperons were damaged before you received them. I would > >call Skystar and ask if you can send the damaged one back for a replacement. > >If you did not break it, you should not have to fix it. > > > >Don Pearsall > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald K. > >Stevens > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" > > > > > >I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. It's brand new - still > >building. Today, I took the plastic wrap off with the intention of > >riveting the trailing edges. When I opened the shipping foam blanket > >that the flaperons ship in, I noticed that each of the four flaperon > >attach brackets on one of my flaperons had dented and cut into the tops > >of the flaperon skin. I'm thinking that this happened during > >shipping...but these have been in the basement for quite some time (I > >didn't really open them up and check 'em out really good when I got > >them). The box they came it wasn't damaged at all...And externally > >(through the foam anyway) they "looked" fine. It's as if the flaperon > >hanger brackets had become scissors and cut into the tops of the > >flaperon skin. > > > >But now...I've got a problem. Can these be fixed? I've been trying to > >think of a good way to fix em, but haven't come up with a really good > >solution yet. I'd like to solder on a piece of aluminum to the inside > >skin, but the heat of soldering I think would melt the foam ribs that > >are really close to the problem areas. Even considered placing wet rags > >over the top of the flaperon skin to ack as heat sinks while I solder, > >but I think that the ribs would probably get destroyed causing an even > >bigger problem. > > > >Has anybody else had this problem. And if so, how'd you fix it? > > > >Ron > >Series 6....stuck on the flaperons :'( > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:03 PM PST US From: "Comp User" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" Without knowing how far the rip is, it should be fairly easy to fix. I would straighten out the sheetmetal as best as I could. Then glue a patch of thin gauge alum. over the area. Could do it to all the hinges to match. Other option is to straighten out the metal and fill it with the gray epoxy and micro balloons, then sand smooth. No problem. The epoxy would be my first choice. Good luck Albert Smith 5TD NSI-T Cap Almost done glassing the radiator intake cowlings. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:25 PM PST US From: "Stu Bryant" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" Vic, I've only done this once (very long ago, and from San Diego to Colorado & back) and I was flying a Skylane at the time. I went a bit farther north via Grand Canyon (fueled here), Four Corners, Farmington NM, Raton NM, Then Canyon City Co., but I will tell you that 230 hp (& no turbo plus no oxygen) is marginal in warmer weather. A 182 can sure seem small & insignificant at such a time! I recommend the more southerly route mentioned by Cliff. And I recommend cool weather for the trip. And by all means bring enough film/digital memory for your camera! This perhaps is painfully obvious to all here, but a WAC chart in the Rockies does not give enough detail- use sectionals. I would have given my eye teeth for a GPS if they had existed at the time. But do not forget to be aware of where you are. And finally, be prepared for weather. This is way south of the frozen North, but be able to survive in that great expanse of land just in case. ELT, sleeping bag, etc. By the way, the magnetic deviation in the Rockies is real. I nearly took the wrong valley because of this and the lack of detail on the chart. I'd have either been forced to land in the middle of nowhere or become a statistic had I not figured out that the towns along the railroad were just too close together. The magnetic compass was lying to me, and the gyro compass was doing its recession thing after several hours. I went in Spring, and the clear air turbulence from the thermals topped out above my service ceiling. That was one unforgettable ride. The autopilot was a joke in that kind of chop. Had to keep peeling my clipboard down off the ceiling. Ground speed at landing and take-off can be breathtaking at Grand Canyon in warm weather with its high density altitude. If I had to travel the intermountain region much I'd have O2 and a turbo for sure. Many on the list have traveled much more than I have, and are probably grinning at what I'm saying. I was a wide eyed youngster in my mid 20's when I did this trip. It was a very big deal to me, the adventure of my life at the time. Many will see all this as merely routine for them. I still think given the terrain, weather, altitude, and great distances between major airports & towns, be prepared for anything, including having a marvelous time seeing the great West. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox From: David Estapa --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa The missing Doctor and his Kitfox still have not been found. See http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/10709828.htm?1c David Estapa Woodstock, GA S5 N97DE ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:53 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" David, that link requires you to create an account. Can you cut and paste the story here, or give us a synopsis? Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Estapa Subject: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa The missing Doctor and his Kitfox still have not been found. See http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/10709828.htm?1c David Estapa Woodstock, GA S5 N97DE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:31 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/22/05 3:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, donpearsall@comcast.net writes: << David, that link requires you to create an account. Can you cut and paste the story here, or give us a synopsis? Don Pearsall >> Don, I also had trouble getting to that site. Go to Google and search "missing Kitfox Texas" Got all the reports from that. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:36 PM PST US From: "Victor W. Jacko" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko" Thanks Stu for the input. I plan to play it safe in all respects and have some fun doing it. Vic -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stu Bryant Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" Vic, I've only done this once (very long ago, and from San Diego to Colorado & back) and I was flying a Skylane at the time. I went a bit farther north via Grand Canyon (fueled here), Four Corners, Farmington NM, Raton NM, Then Canyon City Co., but I will tell you that 230 hp (& no turbo plus no oxygen) is marginal in warmer weather. A 182 can sure seem small & insignificant at such a time! I recommend the more southerly route mentioned by Cliff. And I recommend cool weather for the trip. And by all means bring enough film/digital memory for your camera! This perhaps is painfully obvious to all here, but a WAC chart in the Rockies does not give enough detail- use sectionals. I would have given my eye teeth for a GPS if they had existed at the time. But do not forget to be aware of where you are. And finally, be prepared for weather. This is way south of the frozen North, but be able to survive in that great expanse of land just in case. ELT, sleeping bag, etc. By the way, the magnetic deviation in the Rockies is real. I nearly took the wrong valley because of this and the lack of detail on the chart. I'd have either been forced to land in the middle of nowhere or become a statistic had I not figured out that the towns along the railroad were just too close together. The magnetic compass was lying to me, and the gyro compass was doing its recession thing after several hours. I went in Spring, and the clear air turbulence from the thermals topped out above my service ceiling. That was one unforgettable ride. The autopilot was a joke in that kind of chop. Had to keep peeling my clipboard down off the ceiling. Ground speed at landing and take-off can be breathtaking at Grand Canyon in warm weather with its high density altitude. If I had to travel the intermountain region much I'd have O2 and a turbo for sure. Many on the list have traveled much more than I have, and are probably grinning at what I'm saying. I was a wide eyed youngster in my mid 20's when I did this trip. It was a very big deal to me, the adventure of my life at the time. Many will see all this as merely routine for them. I still think given the terrain, weather, altitude, and great distances between major airports & towns, be prepared for anything, including having a marvelous time seeing the great West. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Don, Don, and David- I've had no problem going to the address that David posted, but ran into the "create account" bit when trying to get to the Star-Telegram from the Google Alert link. I've been following this search story since the 15th, when the story first came out. I was going to ask this group if they'd heard anything lately, and then another Google Alert came up. When I tried to email from their site it boinked me over to the "create account" page. Lynn do not archive On Saturday, January 22, 2005, at 08:08 PM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/22/05 3:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, > donpearsall@comcast.net writes: > > << > David, that link requires you to create an account. Can you cut and > paste > the story here, or give us a synopsis? > > Don Pearsall >> > > Don, > I also had trouble getting to that site. Go to Google and search > "missing Kitfox Texas" Got all the reports from that. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:39 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" You know..... I sure hope he is visiting some good buddies somewhere. Sounds like he really liked his "New Ride"..... Hate to see/hear it came to a sudden end somewhere out there. Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Don, Don, and David- > I've had no problem going to the address that David posted, but ran > into the "create account" bit when trying to get to the Star-Telegram > from the Google Alert link. I've been following this search story since > the 15th, when the story first came out. I was going to ask this group > if they'd heard anything lately, and then another Google Alert came up. > When I tried to email from their site it boinked me over to the "create > account" page. > Lynn > do not archive > On Saturday, January 22, 2005, at 08:08 PM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 1/22/05 3:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > donpearsall@comcast.net writes: > > > > << > > David, that link requires you to create an account. Can you cut and > > paste > > the story here, or give us a synopsis? > > > > Don Pearsall >> > > > > Don, > > I also had trouble getting to that site. Go to Google and search > > "missing Kitfox Texas" Got all the reports from that. > > > > Don Smythe > > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox From: David Estapa --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa TINKER AIR FORCE BASE, Okla. - At least 50 people resumed search efforts Saturday for a Muskogee physician who disappeared more than a week ago while flying a small plane from Texas. Five Civil Air Patrol aircraft and four ground search teams are continuing to search west of McAlester for Dr. Jack Nolen, said Maj. Charles Newcomb of the Civil Air Patrol. "We've got a pretty substantial operation going today," Newcomb said Saturday. "We've got 50 signed in this morning, and I'll bet there's more than that now." Nolen, 73, has been missing since Friday, Jan. 14, when he left Paris, Texas, on a flight to Shawnee in his Kitfox Light Squared airplane. Search efforts are focused on the heavily wooded area around Gerty in Hughes County where air traffic radar last picked up a signal. Nolen retired as medical director at Muskogee Regional Medical Center last month but still worked there part-time. He also is the medical director for the Good Shepherd Health Clinic in Muskogee, which provides medical services to the poor. Nolen's ex-wife, Susan McColley of Okay, said the family remains optimistic that Nolen will be found alive and is asking for the community's prayers. "That's really the one thing that can be done for him now," McColley said. "All the people who have been involved in the search, they've just gone above and beyond. We're just so grateful for all those people." McColley is the mother of Nolen's two youngest children, Paige, 14, and Jack Jr., 22. Nolen also has three sons from another marriage: Matt, 44, of New York; Tim, 43, of Kingsport, Tenn., and Philip, 33, of Orlando, Fla. McColley said she doubts Nolen would have flown somewhere else without notifying friends or family. "I suppose that's a possibility, but it wouldn't be like him," Nolen said. Newcomb said the aircraft Nolen was flying had just refueled in Paris, giving it a range spanning more than 650,000 square miles. "We're talking about a range from Des Moines, Iowa, to halfway to Cuba," Newcomb said. "That's a huge area, so if we're completely wrong about the direction he was headed, he could be almost anywhere in the continental United States. "But we have pretty solid evidence from the radar track that he was somewhere in the vicinity of southwest Oklahoma." Newcomb said as of Friday, searchers had logged nearly 3,000 hours searching for Nolan, including 230 flying hours. He also discouraged the public from undertaking search efforts on their own. "We don't want to get anyone hurt or lost," he said. "We're also concerned about private pilots searching in the area. We'd just as soon not have people we don't know about flying low in areas where we're flying low." Anyone with information is urged to call Civil Air Patrol at (405) 348-3711. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:40 PM PST US From: jim rodenkirk Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jim rodenkirk News Central with Morris Jones TINKER AIR FORCE BASE, Okla. (AP) -- At least 50 people resumed search efforts today for a Muskogee physician who disappeared more than a week ago while flying a small plane from Texas. Officials say five Civil Air Patrol aircraft and four ground search teams are continuing to search west of McAlester for Doctor Jack Nolen. The 73-year-old has been missing since January 14th, when he left Paris, Texas, on a flight to Shawnee in his Kitfox Light Squared airplane. Search efforts are focused on the heavily wooded area around Gerty in Hughes County where air traffic radar last picked up a signal. Nolen retired as medical director at Muskogee Regional Medical Center last month but still worked there part-time. He also is the medical director for the Good Shepherd Health Clinic in Muskogee, which provides medical services to the poor. (Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > >You know..... I sure hope he is visiting some good buddies somewhere. >Sounds like he really liked his "New Ride"..... Hate to see/hear it came to >a sudden end somewhere out there. >Weav >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lynn Matteson" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Missing Kitfox > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson >> >>Don, Don, and David- >>I've had no problem going to the address that David posted, but ran >>into the "create account" bit when trying to get to the Star-Telegram >>from the Google Alert link. I've been following this search story since >>the 15th, when the story first came out. I was going to ask this group >>if they'd heard anything lately, and then another Google Alert came up. >>When I tried to email from their site it boinked me over to the "create >>account" page. >>Lynn >>do not archive >>On Saturday, January 22, 2005, at 08:08 PM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com >>> >>>In a message dated 1/22/05 3:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>donpearsall@comcast.net writes: >>> >>><< >>> David, that link requires you to create an account. Can you cut and >>>paste >>> the story here, or give us a synopsis? >>> >>> Don Pearsall >> >>> >>>Don, >>> I also had trouble getting to that site. Go to Google and search >>>"missing Kitfox Texas" Got all the reports from that. >>> >>>Don Smythe >>>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:33 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance/Flight Physical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Don, If you don't get your physical you will never be able to fly my Series 6. I won't even let you ride in it. -- John King Warrenton, VA Glenn Horne wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" > >Don, >If you can pass the physical you should get it. You may wont to fly >something other than your Fox, so if you can pass it get it. If you cant pay >call me I will pay for you. >Glenn > >