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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 08:13 AM - Re: 582 Rotax (Aerobatics@aol.com)
3. 09:01 AM - Re: Flaperon problem (Andy)
4. 09:03 AM - TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax (Dee Young)
5. 09:13 AM - snow depth (Jay Fabian)
6. 09:19 AM - Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax (Bruce Harrington)
7. 09:23 AM - Re: snow depth (Don Pearsall)
8. 09:24 AM - Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
9. 09:43 AM - Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax (Dee Young)
10. 09:43 AM - Fw: re 582 rotax oil to use . (John Perry)
11. 10:04 AM - Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax (Bob Robertson)
12. 10:15 AM - Re: Flaperon problem (Ronald K. Stevens)
13. 10:25 AM - Landing on a slope (jimshumaker)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: Flaperon problem (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
15. 12:11 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (Ronald K. Stevens)
16. 12:21 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (Fred Weaver)
17. 12:40 PM - Re: Trip across the Rockies (Les Chambers)
18. 12:42 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
19. 01:25 PM - Re: Trip across the Rockies (Victor W. Jacko)
20. 01:59 PM - Colour scheme (Michel Verheughe)
21. 02:22 PM - Re: Landing on a slope (Jay Fabian)
22. 03:29 PM - Re: Colour scheme (Clem Nichols)
23. 03:46 PM - EGT on 912 UL (Jimmie Blackwell)
24. 03:58 PM - Re: Colour scheme (Cudnohufsky's)
25. 04:10 PM - Re: Colour scheme (kurt schrader)
26. 04:15 PM - Re: Colour scheme (kurt schrader)
27. 04:34 PM - (jdmcbean)
28. 05:10 PM - Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES (Clem Nichols)
29. 05:16 PM - Re: Colour scheme (Steve Zakreski)
30. 05:37 PM - Re: Colour scheme (Jose M. Toro)
31. 05:39 PM - Re: Dr. Nolan search (kurt schrader)
32. 05:50 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES (kurt schrader)
33. 05:57 PM - Re: EGT on 912 UL (Roger Standley)
34. 06:25 PM - Speedster for sale (John Furey)
35. 06:48 PM - Re: (Donna and Roger McConnell)
36. 07:15 PM - Bush landings, was: Landing on a slope (Clifford Begnaud)
37. 07:22 PM - struts (htraunero)
38. 07:23 PM - flying today (John Perry)
39. 07:28 PM - Re: Flaperon problem (Fred Shiple)
40. 07:32 PM - Re: Colour scheme (Fred Shiple)
41. 08:22 PM - Re: Trip across the Rockies (Pete Sigrist)
42. 09:24 PM - Re: Insurance/Flight Physical (John King)
43. 11:41 PM - Re: Re: Dr. Nolan search (Aerobatics@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance/Flight Physical |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/22/05 8:04:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kingjohne@adelphia.net writes:
<< Don,
If you don't get your physical you will never be able to fly my Series 6. I
won't even let you ride in it.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA >>
John,
I wouldn't want to fly in your old "outdated" series 6 anyway. I'll wait
until you get a series 8 or 9.
I'll probably have to get a medical anyway. With my new cowl mods, my
NASA Engineer Buddy calculates Alberta will exceed the max speed for Sport Pilot.
I hereby (on this open forum) challenge you to a race. We can put up our
titles and winner takes all.
Take that, Do Not Archive (No archive means no paper trail on the bet)
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:27:47 PM Central Standard Time,
cnichols@scrtc.com writes:
Dee:
I don't think anyone else has pointed this out, but it's my understanding
that there are two different types of 2-stroke motor oil: some for
water-cooled engines such as marine craft, and others for air-cooled
engines. In my neck of the woods, the preferred oil for Rotax 2-strokers is
Pennzoil 2-stroke for air-cooled engines. Obviously the 582 is
water-cooled. Does that make a difference? I can't answer that. I can
only say that I never had any problem with fouled plugs or otherwise using
it in an oil-injected 582 I had on a Rans S12.
There is water and air cooled Penzoil ...I did asked Lockwood this ... they
have done some extensive testing they recommennd air cooled only in 582
AND do not mix the two. If you have a injection, empty empty tank and use
only air. That goes for the small tank as well.
Lockwood Aviation in Lakeland Fla is a supurb source for Rotax service and
stuff....
Dave 582 BH KF 2
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| Subject: | Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
Ronald,
What ever course of action you choose, I would recommend that you begin
with stop drilling the end of the cut/tear. Then you can patch over it or
fill it as has been recommended. I know of one builder near me that decided
to simply enlarge the existing opening of the hinge area so that it could
not happen again. That was recommended by the DAR that inspected his plane.
Good luck.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald K.
Stevens
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens"
<rkstevens@verizon.net>
I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. It's brand new - still
building. Today, I took the plastic wrap off with the intention of
riveting the trailing edges. When I opened the shipping foam blanket
that the flaperons ship in, I noticed that each of the four flaperon
attach brackets on one of my flaperons had dented and cut into the tops
of the flaperon skin. I'm thinking that this happened during
shipping...but these have been in the basement for quite some time (I
didn't really open them up and check 'em out really good when I got
them). The box they came it wasn't damaged at all...And externally
(through the foam anyway) they "looked" fine. It's as if the flaperon
hanger brackets had become scissors and cut into the tops of the
flaperon skin.
But now...I've got a problem. Can these be fixed? I've been trying to
think of a good way to fix em, but haven't come up with a really good
solution yet. I'd like to solder on a piece of aluminum to the inside
skin, but the heat of soldering I think would melt the foam ribs that
are really close to the problem areas. Even considered placing wet rags
over the top of the flaperon skin to ack as heat sinks while I solder,
but I think that the ribs would probably get destroyed causing an even
bigger problem.
Has anybody else had this problem. And if so, how'd you fix it?
Ron
Series 6....stuck on the flaperons :'(
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| Subject: | TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:02:02 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your comments
with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all full of S---
and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of fouled plugs and pulling
the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned some valuable information
from you all.
Dee Young
KFM 112
N345DY
Do Not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
I am currently at 30+ inches of snow and 60+ MPH wind. Identifier ( TAN) Mass.
Hope the braces I put in the T-hanger hold the snow load off of the Fox.
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
With his attitude, he probably won't even listen to Rotax!
bh
--
> Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your
> comments with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all
> full of S--- and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of
> fouled plugs and pulling the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned
> some valuable information from you all.
>
> Dee Young
> KFM 112
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hey Jay,
Send some snow over here to the Cascade Mountains. It all melted because of
the warm weather and heavy rain. I have not been able to ski all winter! I
had to take off my sweater the other day, because it was too warm out side.
Don Pearsall
55 and raining.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Fabian
Subject: Kitfox-List: snow depth
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
I am currently at 30+ inches of snow and 60+ MPH wind. Identifier ( TAN)
Mass. Hope the braces I put in the T-hanger hold the snow load off of the
Fox.
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
<<
Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your
comments with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all full of
S--- and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of fouled plugs
and pulling the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned some valuable
information from you all.
Dee Young
KFM 112
N345DY
>>
Dee,
The hard headiness of some never ceases to amaze me, especially on a no
brainer subject like this one. If he thinks we are full of s--- then, Rotax,
Lockwood, CPS and every other 2 stroke organization in the entire world is
full of s---. Hmmm, that makes your friend the only person in the entire world
that is "not" full of s----. Ask him to figure the odds of that.
Hope you don't go flying with your buddy too often so you can stick around
on the list for a while. Always hate to read about one of our own.
Good Luck,
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:42:09 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I would never get in a plane with him. Looking at his plane and the work he does
convinced me that I have the skills to build an experimental. He has wrecked
his plane several times and walked away each time. He has a bent left wing from
several of the wrecks and each time puts a log on top of the bend to the hanger
roof and takes a handyman jack to the tip and straightens it back out. He
has two spark plug wires taped together and was soldering the coil wire yesterday.
He flew his plane the first time without a WB and never did any ground
work. When he took off the plane was rigged incorrectly and almost nosed over
and wrecked. He finally got it back around and on the ground. Anyway enough about
this, thanks again for you comments.
Went up yesterday several times and it was great flying, saw a lots of elk.
Dee Young
KFM 112
N345DY
Do Not Archive
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
<<
Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your
comments with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all full
of
S--- and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of fouled plugs
and pulling the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned some valuable
information from you all.
Dee Young
KFM 112
N345DY
>>
Dee,
The hard headiness of some never ceases to amaze me, especially on a no
brainer subject like this one. If he thinks we are full of s--- then, Rotax,
Lockwood, CPS and every other 2 stroke organization in the entire world is
full of s---. Hmmm, that makes your friend the only person in the entire world
that is "not" full of s----. Ask him to figure the odds of that.
Hope you don't go flying with your buddy too often so you can stick around
on the list for a while. Always hate to read about one of our own.
Good Luck,
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Fw: re 582 rotax oil to use . |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
-------Original Message-------
From: John Perry
Subject: re 582 rotax oil to use .
Im sorry your buddy or friend is a complete idiot . to use auto oil in 2
stroke and fly is one of the reason these engines cost so much and many
manufacturers have stopped building them due to stupidity and then crashes
and then lawsuits which the great justice system in America seems to side
with the idiots then .
If he was my friend i would highly suggest to stop using auto oil or not be
my friend anymore . stupidity seems contagious these days . The engine needs
a complete overhaul period. and then use the proper oil .
Just my thoughts and only mine
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Hi Dee,
Well, we run into the attitude your "friend" has from time to time.
It is usually followed by the "All they want is to gouge me", "These stupid
two-strokes, why can't the manufacturer get it right" etc. attitude. They
belong to the .001% category of all fliers, but I bet they represent a much
larger percentage of accident victims.
When we are filling in a work order that owner will invariably state that
they were following Rotax's recommendations to the letter so it must be a
crappy design......go figure...
I guess this post in not to slight your friend, but to give kudos to all
those who responded to your post trying to prevent him from having a future
problem.
As a Rotax Service Center owner, I tend to see way too many of the "problem
engines""...We tend to forget about those of you who are merrily plugging
away, following recommendations, doing regular service and not having
problems. To those guys and gals (the other 99.999% of owners) I give a
hearty " high five".... To those that think we are full of S--T, well you
should really think about the old FRAM commercial... "You can pay me now
or.............."
Have a great day guys
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: TWO STROKE OIL 582 Rotax
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your
comments with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all full
of S--- and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of fouled
plugs and pulling the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned some
valuable information from you all.
>
> Dee Young
> KFM 112
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Andy,
Thanks. Actually, the first (well second, if you could the screaming
part) thing I did was to drill some very small holes at the end of the
tear to alleviate the stresses so that it shouldn't tear any further.
The consensus so far seems to be leaning towards bonding an aluminum
backing strip onto the inside of the flaperon (If I can reach...kinda'
like building a ship in a bottle I guess). Then, I plan on using some
SuperFil on the outside to fill in the dents. My only worry is that the
air loads and flexing in flight might tend to make the SuperFil come off.
Ron
Andy wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
>
>Ronald,
>
> What ever course of action you choose, I would recommend that you begin
>with stop drilling the end of the cut/tear. Then you can patch over it or
>fill it as has been recommended. I know of one builder near me that decided
>to simply enlarge the existing opening of the hinge area so that it could
>not happen again. That was recommended by the DAR that inspected his plane.
>Good luck.
>
>Andy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald K.
>Stevens
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens"
><rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
>I've got a problem with one of my flaperons. It's brand new - still
>building. Today, I took the plastic wrap off with the intention of
>riveting the trailing edges. When I opened the shipping foam blanket
>that the flaperons ship in, I noticed that each of the four flaperon
>attach brackets on one of my flaperons had dented and cut into the tops
>of the flaperon skin. I'm thinking that this happened during
>shipping...but these have been in the basement for quite some time (I
>didn't really open them up and check 'em out really good when I got
>them). The box they came it wasn't damaged at all...And externally
>(through the foam anyway) they "looked" fine. It's as if the flaperon
>hanger brackets had become scissors and cut into the tops of the
>flaperon skin.
>
>But now...I've got a problem. Can these be fixed? I've been trying to
>think of a good way to fix em, but haven't come up with a really good
>solution yet. I'd like to solder on a piece of aluminum to the inside
>skin, but the heat of soldering I think would melt the foam ribs that
>are really close to the problem areas. Even considered placing wet rags
>over the top of the flaperon skin to ack as heat sinks while I solder,
>but I think that the ribs would probably get destroyed causing an even
>bigger problem.
>
>Has anybody else had this problem. And if so, how'd you fix it?
>
>Ron
>Series 6....stuck on the flaperons :'(
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing on a slope |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Went flying yesterday in clear calm beautiful weather. The grass was
brilliant green and the rolling hills were picture perfect. I was chasing
around a friend who was excited about using his new 26 inch tires for off
field landings. We had just watched a video about off-field landing in
Alaska so we wanted to practice technique. He found a lovely cow pasture in
a valley on the side of the mountains, so after buzzing the cows off to the
side I followed him in. Of course we had picked a one way in and out field
and had not walked the field before landing. He landed his Citabria without
any problem and I followed him in. It was even easier than expected. After
carefully parking our planes across the hill to prevent them from rolling
back down without us, we got out and were congratulating each other on the
landing.
After a minute or two the smell of gas became pervasive....and sure enough
my left tank was venting a solid stream of gas onto the top of the wing.
Just a reminder to be careful when parking on hillsides.
It was so nice that I uploaded a picture to Sportflight at Fly-ins Airshows
under the name Cow Pasture. And yes, I did think about all you snowbound
pilots, but not for long, had to do more flying.
Jim Shumaker
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/23/05 10:16:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rkstevens@verizon.net writes:
<< The consensus so far seems to be leaning towards bonding an aluminum
backing strip onto the inside of the flaperon (If I can reach...kinda'
like building a ship in a bottle I guess). Then, I plan on using some
SuperFil on the outside to fill in the dents. My only worry is that the
air loads and flexing in flight might tend to make the SuperFil come off.
Ron >>
Ron,
I thought the recommended fix was to bond the alum on the outside??? How
do you plan to get inside the flaperon to do the bonding. Agree, inside
sounds better and would be more pleasing to the eye but opening the flaperon????
I might be missing something here.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Don,
Ok...Here's the plan:
* Make some 1" by 2" aluminum backing strips.
* Drill a hole about an inch or so from the end - centered - that
the hole is the same width as the slots cut into the flaperon by
the factory
* Using a band saw, cut out a maching slot in my 1" by 2" aluminum
backing plate so that it matches the slot size in the flaperons.
* But here's the catch...don't cut all of the slot out...Leave just
enough so that the slot material can be bent upwards forming a
handle so it can be placed inside the flaperon while being held
from the outside by using the bent slot material as the handle.
* By leaving this little 'handle', it should be possible to slather
some Hysol on the part...Wedge it through the narrow opening in
the flaperon without dropping it...And then bond it to the inside
of the flaperon.
* When the Hysol cures, file (or bend) off the 'handle'.
* What should be left, is an almost invisible repair (except for the
dents on the outside).
* The dents, I figure that I'd fill with SuperFil.
Well, this is my plan so far. What do you guys think?
Ron
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 1/23/05 10:16:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>rkstevens@verizon.net writes:
>
><< The consensus so far seems to be leaning towards bonding an aluminum
> backing strip onto the inside of the flaperon (If I can reach...kinda'
> like building a ship in a bottle I guess). Then, I plan on using some
> SuperFil on the outside to fill in the dents. My only worry is that the
> air loads and flexing in flight might tend to make the SuperFil come off.
>
> Ron >>
>
>Ron,
> I thought the recommended fix was to bond the alum on the outside??? How
>do you plan to get inside the flaperon to do the bonding. Agree, inside
>sounds better and would be more pleasing to the eye but opening the flaperon????
> I might be missing something here.
>
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
I think you are working WAY TOO hard to fix some very small slits. You
might make it look worse through your efforts. The guy that mentioned
putting the patches on the exterior surface was right on target. Very small
visual impact....and a very thorough correction of the problem.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens"
<rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
> Don,
>
> Ok...Here's the plan:
>
> * Make some 1" by 2" aluminum backing strips.
> * Drill a hole about an inch or so from the end - centered - that
> the hole is the same width as the slots cut into the flaperon by
> the factory
> * Using a band saw, cut out a maching slot in my 1" by 2" aluminum
> backing plate so that it matches the slot size in the flaperons.
> * But here's the catch...don't cut all of the slot out...Leave just
> enough so that the slot material can be bent upwards forming a
> handle so it can be placed inside the flaperon while being held
> from the outside by using the bent slot material as the handle.
> * By leaving this little 'handle', it should be possible to slather
> some Hysol on the part...Wedge it through the narrow opening in
> the flaperon without dropping it...And then bond it to the inside
> of the flaperon.
> * When the Hysol cures, file (or bend) off the 'handle'.
> * What should be left, is an almost invisible repair (except for the
> dents on the outside).
> * The dents, I figure that I'd fill with SuperFil.
>
> Well, this is my plan so far. What do you guys think?
>
> Ron
>
> AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 1/23/05 10:16:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >rkstevens@verizon.net writes:
> >
> ><< The consensus so far seems to be leaning towards bonding an aluminum
> > backing strip onto the inside of the flaperon (If I can reach...kinda'
> > like building a ship in a bottle I guess). Then, I plan on using some
> > SuperFil on the outside to fill in the dents. My only worry is that the
> > air loads and flexing in flight might tend to make the SuperFil come
off.
> >
> > Ron >>
> >
> >Ron,
> > I thought the recommended fix was to bond the alum on the outside???
How
> >do you plan to get inside the flaperon to do the bonding. Agree, inside
> >sounds better and would be more pleasing to the eye but opening the
flaperon????
> > I might be missing something here.
> >
> >Don Smythe
> >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:Trip across the Rockies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers" <l_chambers@ckt.net>
Victor,
You've already got plenty of good advice, so I'll just add: fly in the
morning and rest in the afternoon.
One July morning, a while back, I flew into Leadville to get the
certificate, T-shirt, and brag that I'd been there. I was in a Cessna-180,
so it was no real credit to my flying skills. My ego was deflated as
several Rans S-12's, and an S-6 arrived from Houston, TX. The Texans were
huffing and puffing just walking around the ramp, but their 582 and 912
powered Rans performed exceptionally well and the DA was about 13000.
Les Chambers
Butler, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor W. Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks Stu for the input. I plan to play it safe in all respects and
> have some fun doing it.
>
> Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/23/05 12:22:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Mytyweav@earthlink.net writes:
<< * When the Hysol cures, file (or bend) off the 'handle'.
> * What should be left, is an almost invisible repair (except for the
> dents on the outside).
> * The dents, I figure that I'd fill with SuperFil.
>
> Well, this is my plan so far. What do you guys think?
>
> Ron >>
Ron,
Not sure I exactly followed the repair but, I think I get the idea. Work
the repair plates thru the flaperon cuts and then pull them back so they are
actually glued to the inside. Then simply fair the outside to look good. If
I followed correctly, sounds good to me.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:Trip across the Rockies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Thanks to all who provided input! DA will not be a problem in the
winter.
Vic
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
Chambers
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:Trip across the Rockies
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Les Chambers" <l_chambers@ckt.net>
Victor,
You've already got plenty of good advice, so I'll just add: fly in the
morning and rest in the afternoon.
One July morning, a while back, I flew into Leadville to get the
certificate, T-shirt, and brag that I'd been there. I was in a
Cessna-180,
so it was no real credit to my flying skills. My ego was deflated as
several Rans S-12's, and an S-6 arrived from Houston, TX. The Texans
were
huffing and puffing just walking around the ramp, but their 582 and 912
powered Rans performed exceptionally well and the DA was about 13000.
Les Chambers
Butler, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor W. Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest:Trip across the Rockies
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko"
<vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks Stu for the input. I plan to play it safe in all respects and
> have some fun doing it.
>
> Vic
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
I don't know if I'll be able to match the original colours of my plane. So, I
thought that maybe I should try something entirely different for the new Jabiru
cowling. What do you think of this?
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/newFox.jpg
Does it look silly? Sissy? Sexy?
The idea is to paint the new forward cowling, the winglets and the rudder, the
same colour. Should it be brighter? Darker? More orange? More red?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on a slope |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Thanks Jim,
My snow blower Keeps throwing one of the tracks. I did see some GREEN GRASS
when I did not know were my driveway was and proceeded to clean off my lawn
instead.
Least some one is flying.
Jay Fabian
PS. My driveway is on a slope also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on a slope
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Went flying yesterday in clear calm beautiful weather. The grass was
> brilliant green and the rolling hills were picture perfect. I was chasing
> around a friend who was excited about using his new 26 inch tires for off
> field landings. We had just watched a video about off-field landing in
> Alaska so we wanted to practice technique. He found a lovely cow pasture
> in
> a valley on the side of the mountains, so after buzzing the cows off to
> the
> side I followed him in. Of course we had picked a one way in and out
> field
> and had not walked the field before landing. He landed his Citabria
> without
> any problem and I followed him in. It was even easier than expected.
> After
> carefully parking our planes across the hill to prevent them from rolling
> back down without us, we got out and were congratulating each other on the
> landing.
>
> After a minute or two the smell of gas became pervasive....and sure enough
> my left tank was venting a solid stream of gas onto the top of the wing.
> Just a reminder to be careful when parking on hillsides.
>
> It was so nice that I uploaded a picture to Sportflight at Fly-ins
> Airshows
> under the name Cow Pasture. And yes, I did think about all you snowbound
> pilots, but not for long, had to do more flying.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Colour scheme |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Michel:
For what it's worth, it looks great to me.
Clem Nichols
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Colour scheme
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
>
> I don't know if I'll be able to match the original colours of my plane.
> So, I
> thought that maybe I should try something entirely different for the new
> Jabiru
> cowling. What do you think of this?
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/newFox.jpg
>
> Does it look silly? Sissy? Sexy?
> The idea is to paint the new forward cowling, the winglets and the rudder,
> the
> same colour. Should it be brighter? Darker? More orange? More red?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
This was one of those rare days that my wife actually said to me "please go fly
and get out of my way for the afternoon". Don't know what I did right, but if
I figure it out I am gonna do it again. Anyway, wanted to compare my EGT readings
with some of you that have more experience with the 912. At 4500' msl
and 4800 to 5000 rpm I am seeing about 1575 degrees F on my gauge(gauge calibrated
two months ago). When I reduce rpm to 4000 EGT drops to about 1450 degrees
f.
My operators manual on the 912 says 1570 degrees F for EGT is the maximum. Just
wondering what your experience is the 912 and EGT.
BTW it was a beautiful calm day in Texas and about 45 degrees F. That may sound
warm to some of you, but at 4500' this ole boy was shivering.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Colour scheme |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
Michel,
Not sure what you painted your glass parts with but when I painted my IV I
used Stitts Polytone on the fabric and had my local auto paint store match
the Polytone color in a PPG product for the glass parts, may be another
option for you to consider no matter what scheme you go with.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Colour scheme
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
>
> I don't know if I'll be able to match the original colours of my plane.
> So, I
> thought that maybe I should try something entirely different for the new
> Jabiru
> cowling. What do you think of this?
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/newFox.jpg
>
> Does it look silly? Sissy? Sexy?
> The idea is to paint the new forward cowling, the winglets and the rudder,
> the
> same colour. Should it be brighter? Darker? More orange? More red?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Colour scheme |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
It looks god Michel. I think it is a good plan to
only paint the easily removed parts too. This looks
like good European training plane colours and it will
make you more visible on the ground and in flight.
I was wondering if there is any paint scheem from your
father's planes that you would like instead? Just a
consideration. I know the KF is not like a C-119 at
all, but just wondered.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
> I don't know if I'll be able to match the original
> colours of my plane. So, I
> thought that maybe I should try something entirely
> different for the new Jabiru
> cowling. What do you think of this?
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/newFox.jpg
>
> Does it look silly? Sissy? Sexy?
> The idea is to paint the new forward cowling, the
> winglets and the rudder, the same colour. Should it
> be brighter? Darker? More orange? More red?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
> do not archive
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Colour scheme |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Oh, I forgot to say that you have to be careful how
you cover those darker colors on the wings and tail.
It is hard to keep the dark blue from showing thru or
tinting the top colour. You may need to paint white
first, then your new colour over it. If it is a
problem, then you would be better coming close to
matching the origional colour instead of changing.
Kurt S.
--- kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It looks god Michel. I think it is a good plan to
> only paint the easily removed parts too. This looks
> like good European training plane colours and it
> will
> make you more visible on the ground and in flight.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Latest on the Dr. Nolan search in OK.
http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/stories/20050123/localnews/1906254.html
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Here's something I just got from the Rans group. I think it might be of
interest to members of the Kitfox group as well, particularly if you're
considering switching to a Jabiru as Michel is doing.
----- Original Message -----
Have you lookd at http://www.sportair.co.uk/? They have a web page with
photos of a
> Jabiru S6 installation and a side by side comparison of S6's Jabiru 80 vs
> Rotax 80.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I think it looks much better this way than it would if you painted it all
matching blue.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Colour scheme
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
I don't know if I'll be able to match the original colours of my plane. So,
I
thought that maybe I should try something entirely different for the new
Jabiru
cowling. What do you think of this?
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/newFox.jpg
Does it look silly? Sissy? Sexy?
The idea is to paint the new forward cowling, the winglets and the rudder,
the
same colour. Should it be brighter? Darker? More orange? More red?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Colour scheme |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
Did you consider painting the whole cowling instead of just the new portion of
it? I like the matching wing tips and rudder.
Regards!
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Hello guys,
I don't know if I'll be able to match the original colours of my plane. So, I
thought that maybe I should try something entirely different for the new Jabiru
cowling. What do you think of this?
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/newFox.jpg
Does it look silly? Sissy? Sexy?
The idea is to paint the new forward cowling, the winglets and the rudder, the
same colour. Should it be brighter? Darker? More orange? More red?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Dr. Nolan search |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
The recent discussion about using the right oil has
made me think, so this is just a comment I've been
holding on to that may or may not have anything to do
with this missing plane:
When I looked up the Dr's plane last week, I was led
to an accident report about his first flight. Seems
he made a downwind takeoff that ended in a crash. The
possibility of latent damage, or stubornness could be
a factor in this one.
I neither know the Dr or the plane, so take this only
as a comment.
People who are not stuborn will take notice, and
people who are stuborn probably will not.
Kurt S.
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> Latest on the Dr. Nolan search in OK.
>
>
http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/stories/20050123/localnews/1906254.html
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Clem,
That was a good comparison for the short time they had
to do it. I wish they flew the planes side by side to
eliminate any ASI accuracy problems. The Jabber not
starting probably prevented that.
Seems the Jabber can keep up with the Rotax while
being lighter. Jabiru advertises it as a good
replacement fot the 582, so Michel should be happy
too.
Kurt S.
--- Clem Nichols <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
> Have you lookd at http://www.sportair.co.uk/? They
> have a web page with photos of a
> > Jabiru S6 installation and a side by side
> comparison of S6's Jabiru 80 vs Rotax 80.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: EGT on 912 UL |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:03:18 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Jimmie,
This has been one of those scan items that needs careful watching...climbing and
above 3000' , no problems. But below 3000' feet, the rpm need to be below 3600
or above 5300 to keep the EGT 1550 or below. This has worked out fine for me
and the engine has performed flawlessly. However, low altitude formation flying
with other slower airplanes could present a problem. Flew with a Fitfox Model
1 one time, I was at 1500' MSL, 3600 rpm, EGT at 1550 and 70 mph and he was
at full throttle, we did just fine. If he could have gone faster, say 90 or
so, we would have had to be above 3000' MSL or my EGT would have been in the
red with about 4600 rpm.
Roger
IV-1200, 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
This was one of those rare days that my wife actually said to me "please go fly
and get out of my way for the afternoon". Don't know what I did right, but
if I figure it out I am gonna do it again. Anyway, wanted to compare my EGT
readings with some of you that have more experience with the 912. At 4500' msl
and 4800 to 5000 rpm I am seeing about 1575 degrees F on my gauge(gauge calibrated
two months ago). When I reduce rpm to 4000 EGT drops to about 1450 degrees
f.
My operators manual on the 912 says 1570 degrees F for EGT is the maximum. Just
wondering what your experience is the 912 and EGT.
BTW it was a beautiful calm day in Texas and about 45 degrees F. That may sound
warm to some of you, but at 4500' this ole boy was shivering.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Speedster for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
I have a Speedster 912 with 400 hrs for sale. Grove gear (and standard).
Molded windshield, GSC 3 blade prop. Ky97, Ky76A. Contact off list for
details.
John Furey
john@fureychrysler.com
330-324-2041
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
John, thanks for the report.
Roger Mac
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Latest on the Dr. Nolan search in OK.
http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/stories/20050123/localnews/1906254.html
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Bush landings, was: Landing on a slope |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Jim,
Thanks for the outing report, I love hearing stories about kitfoxes doing
off airport operations. We can all learn from other peoples experiences, and
this is an environment where mistakes happen often and the consequences are
often severe.
Just a little tidbit to tuck in your "bush flying" toolbox... if you are
considering landing in a new spot and you don't know how long it is, you can
estimate it very accurately by timing a pass over the spot at 70 statute mph
GROUND SPEED, not airspeed. At this speed, one second equals 100 feet. Of
course a gps is best to determine that you are really going 70 mph over the
ground. It's also a good idea to "drag" the landing spot. This just means
that you fly low and slow over the spot from different directions to
thoroughly examine the landing area. You can even touch one wheel down to
test the surface, after taking a good look at it.
The one time I failed to drag a landing spot , it almost cost me my plane...
I was lucky that there were no adverse consequences because I barely missed
running the plane into an unseen narrow erosion gully.
Have fun,
Cliff
Kitfox 5, Lyc 0-235
Erie, CO
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Went flying yesterday in clear calm beautiful weather. The grass was
> brilliant green and the rolling hills were picture perfect. I was chasing
> around a friend who was excited about using his new 26 inch tires for off
> field landings. We had just watched a video about off-field landing in
> Alaska so we wanted to practice technique. He found a lovely cow pasture
> in
> a valley on the side of the mountains, so after buzzing the cows off to
> the
> side I followed him in. Of course we had picked a one way in and out
> field
> and had not walked the field before landing. He landed his Citabria
> without
> any problem and I followed him in. It was even easier than expected.
> After
> carefully parking our planes across the hill to prevent them from rolling
> back down without us, we got out and were congratulating each other on the
> landing.
>
> After a minute or two the smell of gas became pervasive....and sure enough
> my left tank was venting a solid stream of gas onto the top of the wing.
> Just a reminder to be careful when parking on hillsides.
>
> It was so nice that I uploaded a picture to Sportflight at Fly-ins
> Airshows
> under the name Cow Pasture. And yes, I did think about all you snowbound
> pilots, but not for long, had to do more flying.
>
> Jim Shumaker
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "htraunero" <htraunero@cox.net>
I need to purchase a set of Model 3 wing lift struts & jury struts. Contact off
list.
Harold Traunero
619-405-4897
htraunero@cox.net
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Left this morning at 12:45 and flew till 6:15 Yes i did stop once to fill
up and did numerous landings on unnamed backcountry roads and grass fields.
I love western Kansas. temp was 66 out and no wind . A friend Got his BREEZY
out and we flew together for awhile . while trying to follow another friend
in his powered parachute . We outran him . Even with full flaps and high
nose and power setting i couldnt get down to his speed lol . I never went
slower than 40 indicated i do not like spinning in . It was a beautiful day
Hope the rest of you had a great weekend flying or being grounded .
Take care all fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
620-493-3124
Kitfox 2
N718PD
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Ron,
I put my patch on the outside. Virtually invisible
from a foot away once painted.
Fred
The consensus so far seems to be leaning towards
bonding an aluminum backing strip onto the inside
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| Subject: | Re: Colour scheme |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Looks good Michel. The yellow will be particularly
visible in the air and is well integrated.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Trip across the Rockies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
If you are flying anywhere near Lake Powell, be sure to stop at Page AZ. A
wonderfull untowered airport with friendly people and a great little town
nearby. And ,of course, fantastic scenery.
Pete Sigrist KF IV & RANS S-12
> > I would also like to know of some good airports to stop at in line with
> > the suggested route.
> >
> > Yhanks,
> >
> > Vic
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: motor oil 582 Rotax
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> >
> > You know Gary, people have done this for many years.......and gotten
> > away
> > with it for awhile. I too used 30W in a Yamaha with oil injection. It
> > worked
> > somewhat ok but I fouled plugs whenever I was bucking a headwind and had
> > to
> > add more throttle to maintain a cruise speed. When I added throttle, it
> > also
> > increased the stroke of the oil pump. This combination didn't work out
> > good
> > at all... Under a load like that, it got a little warmer but almost
> > always
> > fouled one of the plugs. After changing to a GOOD 2 cycle oil (blended
> > for
> > the oil injection) the fouled plug scenario went away for good. BTW, I
> > also
> > had some fairly carboned up Heads as well as the piston/ring assembly.
> >
> > Using the straight 30W was handed down to me from my father who was an
> > avid
> > outboard boat enthusiast. I always thought he was right on but after a
> > couple of years, I got it straightened out in my head and had no more
> > problems. I can't imagine running a good 582 into the ground just
> > because
> > someone is using the incorrect oil. I think you could run spreadsheets a
> > lot
> > of different ways and it just won't pencil out......It's not
> > economically
> > reasonable.
> > Weav
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: motor oil RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate"
> > <algate@attglobal.net>
> >>
> >> I'm amazed it even runs using motor oil as a substitute for 2 stroke
> > oil.
> >>
> >> I think you have identified his problem
> >>
> >> GaryA
> >> Lite2/582
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:own
> >> er-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harris, Robert
> >> To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com'
> >> Subject: motor oil RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> >> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
> >>
> >> It's too bad the engine starts at all because he shouldn't be using
> > motor
> >> oil in substitute for two stroke oil.
> >>
> >> RPM's are not getting high enough to produce a spark and then the
> > engine
> >> floods. The poor oil choice will also foul the plugs and make it
> > harder to
> >> get a good spark. A bare minimum for the oil should be two stroke oil
> >> designed for oil injection systems.
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Rotax
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
> >>
> >> Need some thoughts from the list. Please don't be afraid to speak up
> > here.
> >> Have a friend who flys a 582. He has only a manual starter and is for
> > ever
> >> wearing him self out trying to start it. His plugs foul all the time.
> > He
> >> uses regular 30w automobile oil in his injection system and says its
> > just
> > as
> >>
> >> good as the 2 stroke oil which I don't agree but then. Any ideas
> >> here???????? and your thoughts on the oil??????
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> Dee Young
> >> Model II
> >> KFM 112 not 582
> >>
> >>
> >> Do Not Archive.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance/Flight Physical |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Don,
Your on, as soon as the weather warms up. DO NOT ARCHIVE.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>John,
> I wouldn't want to fly in your old "outdated" series 6 anyway. I'll wait
>until you get a series 8 or 9.
> I'll probably have to get a medical anyway. With my new cowl mods, my
>NASA Engineer Buddy calculates Alberta will exceed the max speed for Sport Pilot.
> I hereby (on this open forum) challenge you to a race. We can put up our
>titles and winner takes all.
>
>Take that, Do Not Archive (No archive means no paper trail on the bet)
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dr. Nolan search |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
well said.....
I know I am stuborn, but try not to be regarding flying........ we need to
be open to learn and listen and share
Dave
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