---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/24/05: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:27 AM - Re: Landing on a slope (Michel Gordillo) 2. 02:41 AM - SV: Colour scheme (Michel Verheughe) 3. 03:37 AM - SV: Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES (Michel Verheughe) 4. 06:37 AM - 912UL coolant capacity? (flier) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: Florida Flying (kurt schrader) 6. 07:23 AM - Re: Flaperon problem (Lowell Fitt) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Flaperon problem () 8. 12:07 PM - Re: Florida Flying (Brett Walmsley) 9. 12:46 PM - Re: Florida Flying (kurt schrader) 10. 12:47 PM - Re: Florida Flying (kurt schrader) 11. 01:04 PM - Re: Florida Flying (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 12. 01:22 PM - Re: Florida Flying (Richard Hutson) 13. 02:22 PM - Re: SV: Colour scheme (Jose M. Toro) 14. 02:22 PM - Re: SV: Colour scheme (Jose M. Toro) 15. 02:28 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES (Jose M. Toro) 16. 04:20 PM - Re: Florida Flying (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 17. 04:48 PM - 30 grade oil (Rex & Jan Shaw) 18. 05:41 PM - Re: 30 grade oil (Dee Young) 19. 06:31 PM - Re: 30 grade oil (Pete Sigrist) 20. 06:33 PM - Re: Florida Flying (Lowell Fitt) 21. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Re: Flaperon problem (Comp User) 22. 08:08 PM - Test (Giovanni Day) 23. 08:32 PM - Re: Florida Flying (kurt schrader) 24. 09:30 PM - Re: Landing on a slope (Michael Gibbs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:43 AM PST US From: "Michel Gordillo" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing on a slope --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" Landind off-field is quite exciting, but we need to be quite careful. Where I live, the key was to see what is underneath the grass, because the grass cover it and when you land, you can have a big surprise. It has happened to me and since then, I have landed only at those places where I was able to see the ground itself. Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on a slope > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" > > > Went flying yesterday in clear calm beautiful weather. The grass was > brilliant green and the rolling hills were picture perfect. I was chasing > around a friend who was excited about using his new 26 inch tires for off > field landings. We had just watched a video about off-field landing in > Alaska so we wanted to practice technique. He found a lovely cow pasture > in > a valley on the side of the mountains, so after buzzing the cows off to > the > side I followed him in. Of course we had picked a one way in and out > field > and had not walked the field before landing. He landed his Citabria > without > any problem and I followed him in. It was even easier than expected. > After > carefully parking our planes across the hill to prevent them from rolling > back down without us, we got out and were congratulating each other on the > landing. > > After a minute or two the smell of gas became pervasive....and sure enough > my left tank was venting a solid stream of gas onto the top of the wing. > Just a reminder to be careful when parking on hillsides. > > It was so nice that I uploaded a picture to Sportflight at Fly-ins > Airshows > under the name Cow Pasture. And yes, I did think about all you snowbound > pilots, but not for long, had to do more flying. > > Jim Shumaker > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:55 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Colour scheme --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Thank you for your comments, Fred, Jose, Steve, Kurt, Lloyd and Clem. My plane was also painted with Polytone, Lloyd, and I am sure a professional can find a somewhat matching colour. But, while I am looking at a new paint job, I'd like to keep a fresh eye at it and maybe other alternatives. My father's C-119 was boringly grey, Kurt, except for the Wing's emblem (an Indian Chieftain) on the nose and the red line, marking the prop danger area on the side. Hardly useable on a Kitfox! :-) Otherwise, no, the yellow paint will go only on the new epoxy parts and not on any dark blue ones. If I paint the whole cowling, Jose, I think it could be too much. The idea is to get the contrast from the blue/grey to a bright nose (ask the reindeer Rudolf, he knows all about it! :-) Yes, the idea is to be well visible, Fred. I understand that VFR flight is about to see and be seen. The dark yellow should be well visible in SAR situation, on both vegetation and snow background. BTW, Norway is one of the countries not respecting ICAO rule to have runway centerlines in white colour. Knowing that many of our airports are four months per year in snow, yellow was choosen as more distinctable than white. I wonder if any other country do the same. Canada, maybe? Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:18 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Clem Nichols [cnichols@scrtc.com] > Have you lookd at http://www.sportair.co.uk/? They have a web page with > photos of a Jabiru S6 installation and a side by side comparison of S6's Jabiru > 80 vs Rotax 80. Excellent, Clem! Thanks a lot. My old 582 went to our club's Rans S6. But we know that it is only provisory. The plane is used as a school plane and flies a lot. We are thinking to have a four-stroker next autumn. This is an excellent comparison. Interesting to read that - also there - the hardest part of the Jabiru installation is ... the cowling. .... grrrrr! I got another setback yesterday: No way I can fit the oil cooler in my new cowling. Grrrr! I'll have to cut and fiberglass again! Grrrr! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:20 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL coolant capacity? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Anybody offhand know the approximate coolant capacity of a 912UL in a Kitfox? Model IV specifically. After reading the article in EAA Sportpilot I'm changing over to the Evans NPG+ waterless coolant and wanted to place an order today but forgot to look it up! TIA, Ted ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:14 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader OK everybody, I've gone and done it. It appears that, starting in May, I will be flying out of Florida for UPS. Is this mid-life-crisis? ;-) I need to find a nice, KitFox friendly place to live in Florida. I probably will look first near Orlando someplace, but I see that there are some 40 flying communities in state. I'm open for suggestions. The flights I'll be taking go out of Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, and St Pete. Looks like I'll be using my RV as temporary living space when leaving from the more distant airports from my home, where ever that is. My negotiable preferences are: Near Orlando or reasonable drive? Live with my plane or have inexpensice hangar space Where I can use wheels and floats? Safe and friendly community Bigger lots or acreage per house Cheap? I am retiring soon. Can't afford Palm Beach I've been to Spruce Creek and Leeward Ranch so far. No floats/water at either and Leeward is a bit dull for a non-horse person, IMHO. Still looking. I can build on an empty lot, if the right house isn't available. I don't mind buying land, building, and cutting a runway either. Yes, I am still moving to the Rockies later... UPS doesn't have a base in Idaho. :-( Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:45 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" How are you going to prep the inside for proper adhesion of the epoxy, Alumiprep, Scotchbrite? Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald K. Stevens" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" > > > Don, > > Ok...Here's the plan: > > * Make some 1" by 2" aluminum backing strips. > * Drill a hole about an inch or so from the end - centered - that > the hole is the same width as the slots cut into the flaperon by > the factory > * Using a band saw, cut out a maching slot in my 1" by 2" aluminum > backing plate so that it matches the slot size in the flaperons. > * But here's the catch...don't cut all of the slot out...Leave just > enough so that the slot material can be bent upwards forming a > handle so it can be placed inside the flaperon while being held > from the outside by using the bent slot material as the handle. > * By leaving this little 'handle', it should be possible to slather > some Hysol on the part...Wedge it through the narrow opening in > the flaperon without dropping it...And then bond it to the inside > of the flaperon. > * When the Hysol cures, file (or bend) off the 'handle'. > * What should be left, is an almost invisible repair (except for the > dents on the outside). > * The dents, I figure that I'd fill with SuperFil. > > Well, this is my plan so far. What do you guys think? > > Ron > > AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 1/23/05 10:16:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, >>rkstevens@verizon.net writes: >> >><< The consensus so far seems to be leaning towards bonding an aluminum >> backing strip onto the inside of the flaperon (If I can reach...kinda' >> like building a ship in a bottle I guess). Then, I plan on using some >> SuperFil on the outside to fill in the dents. My only worry is that the >> air loads and flexing in flight might tend to make the SuperFil come off. >> >> Ron >> >> >>Ron, >> I thought the recommended fix was to bond the alum on the outside??? >> How >>do you plan to get inside the flaperon to do the bonding. Agree, inside >>sounds better and would be more pleasing to the eye but opening the >>flaperon???? >> I might be missing something here. >> >>Don Smythe >>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 >> >> >> >> > > > BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > ------------------------------------------------------ > Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 86782033) is spam: > Spam: > http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=s&i=86782033&m=0a81b804044a > Not spam: > http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=n&i=86782033&m=0a81b804044a > Forget vote: > http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=f&i=86782033&m=0a81b804044a > ------------------------------------------------------ > END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:58 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Was thinking of a patch of Scotchbrite stuck on the end of a coat hanger actually. All I really need do is rough up the surface enough for good adhesion. I can clean it with alcohol swabs (Q-tips bent to the right shape). Haven't tried this yet, so I don't know how difficult it might be. Ron > > From: "Lowell Fitt" > Date: 2005/01/24 Mon AM 09:16:53 CST > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying From: "Brett Walmsley" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" Make it near Lakeland so we can all camp in your yard during Sun-N-Fun :-) > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > > OK everybody, > > I've gone and done it. It appears that, starting in > May, I will be flying out of Florida for UPS. Is this > mid-life-crisis? ;-) > > I need to find a nice, KitFox friendly place to live > in Florida. I probably will look first near Orlando > someplace, but I see that there are some 40 flying > communities in state. I'm open for suggestions. > > The flights I'll be taking go out of Miami, Orlando, > Jacksonville, and St Pete. Looks like I'll be using > my RV as temporary living space when leaving from the > more distant airports from my home, where ever that > is. > > My negotiable preferences are: > > Near Orlando or reasonable drive? > Live with my plane or have inexpensice hangar > space > Where I can use wheels and floats? > Safe and friendly community > Bigger lots or acreage per house > Cheap? I am retiring soon. Can't afford Palm > Beach > > I've been to Spruce Creek and Leeward Ranch so far. > No floats/water at either and Leeward is a bit dull > for a non-horse person, IMHO. Still looking. I can > build on an empty lot, if the right house isn't > available. I don't mind buying land, building, and > cutting a runway either. > > Yes, I am still moving to the Rockies later... UPS > doesn't have a base in Idaho. :-( > > Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo > > > __________________________________ > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:27 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Now you know why I want the acreage! Bring your own tent. If I have water, bring a suit too. Wet isn't just for floats ya' know. :-) I'll even take a hurrican evac place needing fixing up. But I am kind'a looking at a Miracle Truss building. They claim to never have failed in a storm. Kurt S. --- Brett Walmsley wrote: > Make it near Lakeland so we can all camp in your > yard during Sun-N-Fun :-) __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:52 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Oh, are we talking about the unofficial Don and John race end point? Kurt S. Do not archive ... or Don will beat me... ;-) --- Brett Walmsley wrote: > Make it near Lakeland so we can all camp in your > yard during Sun-N-Fun :-) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:24 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 1/24/05 12:48:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: << Oh, are we talking about the unofficial Don and John race end point? Kurt S. >> Kurt, What race are you referring???? BTW, I own 5 acres just south of Kississimme, Fl. You are glad to use it as you wish. It does come with a couple problems. Do Not Archive Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:07 PM PST US From: "Richard Hutson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" Does one dare ask what the problems are. I know there are gators in that part of the world. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/24/05 12:48:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > > << > Oh, are we talking about the unofficial Don and John > race end point? > > Kurt S. >> > > Kurt, > What race are you referring???? BTW, I own 5 acres just south of > Kississimme, Fl. You are glad to use it as you wish. It does come with a > couple > problems. > > Do Not Archive > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:14 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Colour scheme --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Michel: If you want it to resemble Rudolph, then you will need to use "glowing red" paint. Jose Michel Verheughe wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Thank you for your comments, Fred, Jose, Steve, Kurt, Lloyd and Clem. My plane was also painted with Polytone, Lloyd, and I am sure a professional can find a somewhat matching colour. But, while I am looking at a new paint job, I'd like to keep a fresh eye at it and maybe other alternatives. My father's C-119 was boringly grey, Kurt, except for the Wing's emblem (an Indian Chieftain) on the nose and the red line, marking the prop danger area on the side. Hardly useable on a Kitfox! :-) Otherwise, no, the yellow paint will go only on the new epoxy parts and not on any dark blue ones. If I paint the whole cowling, Jose, I think it could be too much. The idea is to get the contrast from the blue/grey to a bright nose (ask the reindeer Rudolf, he knows all about it! :-) Yes, the idea is to be well visible, Fred. I understand that VFR flight is about to see and be seen. The dark yellow should be well visible in SAR situation, on both vegetation and snow background. BTW, Norway is one of the countries not respecting ICAO rule to have runway centerlines in white colour. Knowing that many of our airports are four months per year in snow, yellow was choosen as more distinctable than white. I wonder if any other country do the same. Canada, maybe? Cheers, Michel do not archive Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:17 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Colour scheme --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Michel: If you want it to resemble Rudolph, then you will need to use "glowing red" paint. Jose Michel Verheughe wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Thank you for your comments, Fred, Jose, Steve, Kurt, Lloyd and Clem. My plane was also painted with Polytone, Lloyd, and I am sure a professional can find a somewhat matching colour. But, while I am looking at a new paint job, I'd like to keep a fresh eye at it and maybe other alternatives. My father's C-119 was boringly grey, Kurt, except for the Wing's emblem (an Indian Chieftain) on the nose and the red line, marking the prop danger area on the side. Hardly useable on a Kitfox! :-) Otherwise, no, the yellow paint will go only on the new epoxy parts and not on any dark blue ones. If I paint the whole cowling, Jose, I think it could be too much. The idea is to get the contrast from the blue/grey to a bright nose (ask the reindeer Rudolf, he knows all about it! :-) Yes, the idea is to be well visible, Fred. I understand that VFR flight is about to see and be seen. The dark yellow should be well visible in SAR situation, on both vegetation and snow background. BTW, Norway is one of the countries not respecting ICAO rule to have runway centerlines in white colour. Knowing that many of our airports are four months per year in snow, yellow was choosen as more distinctable than white. I wonder if any other country do the same. Canada, maybe? Cheers, Michel do not archive Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:50 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 vs Rotax 912 engine on Rans S6ES --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Murphy strikes back! Sorry about that! You are lucky to be a "fiberglass master". Michel Verheughe wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Clem Nichols [cnichols@scrtc.com] > Have you lookd at http://www.sportair.co.uk/? They have a web page with > photos of a Jabiru S6 installation and a side by side comparison of S6's Jabiru > 80 vs Rotax 80. Excellent, Clem! Thanks a lot. My old 582 went to our club's Rans S6. But we know that it is only provisory. The plane is used as a school plane and flies a lot. We are thinking to have a four-stroker next autumn. This is an excellent comparison. Interesting to read that - also there - the hardest part of the Jabiru installation is ... the cowling. .... grrrrr! I got another setback yesterday: No way I can fit the oil cooler in my new cowling. Grrrr! I'll have to cut and fiberglass again! Grrrr! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:04 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com << Does one dare ask what the problems are. I know there are gators in that part of the world. >> Well, my father willed me the property about 10 years ago. Seems he bought it in the 50's as part of a land scam deal (he didn't know that). It's in an area called River Ranch and is located (along with hundreds of other 5 acre tracts) about 1000' off the nearest road (land locked). And yes, all the gators of Florida live on my one little piece. The taxes are about $20. a year and I can always say, I own a piece of Florida. Kurt, enjoy Do Not Archive Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:33 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: 30 grade oil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your > comments with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all > full of S--- and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of > fouled plugs and pulling the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned > some valuable information from you all. Dee, I didn't comment before because there was enough being said and it is also an age old argument as to which is the best oil. However one can say without any doubt that for this situation 30 grade motor oil isn't good enough and generally all the info you've been getting is on track. Now your friend is going to continue to use it. Well that's not a good attitude for a pilot to start with, however perhaps if he is going to do this and keep fouling plugs at the very least I can make a suggestion that might at least help with the plugs. I've listed this before so more info is in the archives. Instead of running BR8ES plugs or B8ES and resistor caps I run BR8EIX. The difference is the fine iridium point fires better and fouls less. Also the "X" is for booster gap. This may lead to a very slight increase in radio interference but allows the voltage to build up higher before firing thus providing a better spark, again helping fouling. These plugs are used when running the 582 inverted. I use them because I get far more consistency on ignition ckeck between ign 1 and 2. Also I get a lot smoother running at low RPM. I would suggest that if your friend won't accept suggestions re his oil that perhaps having to clean his plugs all the time and pulling his guts out on the starter might convince him to try a set of BR8EIX plugs. They should help and although more expensive the outlay is minimal. One note though. If he uses a radio then he needs some interference suppression. This can be a resistor cap or a resistor plug but NOT both especially with that oil fouling the plugs. The "R" in BR8ES or BR8EIX is for resistor. You can only get BR8EIX not B8EIX ie:- without resistor. So if he has resistor caps he will need non resistor caps. These only cost $2.50 each NOT nearly $30 as advertised in at least one place. Maybe this will keep him from disaster for awhile longer, Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:32 PM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 30 grade oil Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:30:13 -0700 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" thanks Rex, I will pass this along. No fear on the radio, he don't use one anyway. I bet your not surprised. Dee Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex & Jan Shaw To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 30 grade oil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > Thanks to all of you who responded on the oil question. I have shared your > comments with my friend, after reading your comments he thinks your all > full of S--- and the 30w stays. Well I guess if he ever gets tired of > fouled plugs and pulling the rope he will reconsider. I know I learned > some valuable information from you all. Dee, I didn't comment before because there was enough being said and it is also an age old argument as to which is the best oil. However one can say without any doubt that for this situation 30 grade motor oil isn't good enough and generally all the info you've been getting is on track. Now your friend is going to continue to use it. Well that's not a good attitude for a pilot to start with, however perhaps if he is going to do this and keep fouling plugs at the very least I can make a suggestion that might at least help with the plugs. I've listed this before so more info is in the archives. Instead of running BR8ES plugs or B8ES and resistor caps I run BR8EIX. The difference is the fine iridium point fires better and fouls less. Also the "X" is for booster gap. This may lead to a very slight increase in radio interference but allows the voltage to build up higher before firing thus providing a better spark, again helping fouling. These plugs are used when running the 582 inverted. I use them because I get far more consistency on ignition ckeck between ign 1 and 2. Also I get a lot smoother running at low RPM. I would suggest that if your friend won't accept suggestions re his oil that perhaps having to clean his plugs all the time and pulling his guts out on the starter might convince him to try a set of BR8EIX plugs. They should help and although more expensive the outlay is minimal. One note though. If he uses a radio then he needs some interference suppression. This can be a resistor cap or a resistor plug but NOT both especially with that oil fouling the plugs. The "R" in BR8ES or BR8EIX is for resistor. You can only get BR8EIX not B8EIX ie:- without resistor. So if he has resistor caps he will need non resistor caps. These only cost $2.50 each NOT nearly $30 as advertised in at least one place. Maybe this will keep him from disaster for awhile longer, Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:38 PM PST US From: "Pete Sigrist" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 30 grade oil --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" If this Clown thinks that we are all full of S---, why waste any time or energy on him. Fat chance that he will change his plugs !!! Let's make this the last post. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:20 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" This was my thought also. We had two marriages in Florida this past year. Two California boys found and married Florida girls, one in August and one in December. The word I have is that if there is water, their might be gators. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hutson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" > > > Does one dare ask what the problems are. I know there are gators in that > part of the world. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com >> >> In a message dated 1/24/05 12:48:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: >> >> << >> Oh, are we talking about the unofficial Don and John >> race end point? >> >> Kurt S. >> >> >> Kurt, >> What race are you referring???? BTW, I own 5 acres just south of >> Kississimme, Fl. You are glad to use it as you wish. It does come with >> a >> couple >> problems. >> >> Do Not Archive >> Don Smythe >> N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 >> >> >> > > > BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > ------------------------------------------------------ > Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 87721189) is spam: > Spam: > http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=s&i=87721189&m=017f98b529a9 > Not spam: > http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=n&i=87721189&m=017f98b529a9 > Forget vote: > http://login.safereach.com/b.php?c=f&i=87721189&m=017f98b529a9 > ------------------------------------------------------ > END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:16 PM PST US From: "Comp User" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" You will need to do more than just wipe the surface with alcohol to get a good bond. I would put the repair on the outside. Easy, quick and better surface prep. Done properly you will not be able to see it. Albert Smith ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:02 PM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: Kitfox-List: Test --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Just a test to see if I am in. No need to reply. Thanks Giovanni Day Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:09 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Don, Kississimme? Last I heard, where your land is, happens to be in the middle of some 25,000 active nudists. We took an FAA rep down there on a checkride. He made a point of telling us he was a nudist. We were wondering just what the checkride would entail after that. Nudists? Was that one of your land problems Don? I was hoping to fly off of floats down there somewhere. Guess I need gator proof floats? Kurt S. Do not archive --- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > Kurt, ............ > BTW, I own 5 acres just south of > Kississimme, Fl. You are glad to use it as you > wish. It does come with a couple problems. > > Do Not Archive > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:43 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Landing on a slope --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs >It was so nice that I uploaded a picture to Sportflight at Fly-ins Airshows >under the name Cow Pasture. Absolutely beautiful, Jim. Can you tell us where this little piece of paradise is located? Mike G. N728KF