Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:50 AM - external pod (Graeme Toft)
2. 03:32 AM - Alberta flies again (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 04:17 AM - Re: EGT (Steve Magdic)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: EGT (Jimmie Blackwell)
5. 08:30 AM - Re: EGT (Randy Daughenbaugh)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: EGT on 912 UL (Roger Standley)
7. 11:01 AM - 912 EGT (Paul Peerenboom)
8. 11:19 AM - Kitfox Model I/II (Cloughley, Bill)
9. 11:39 AM - Re: Kitfox Model I/II (Dee Young)
10. 04:37 PM - Re: Kitfox Model I/II (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 04:58 PM - Re: Florida Flying (Rex Hefferan)
12. 06:23 PM - Re: Alberta flies again (John King)
13. 06:26 PM - model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. (Giovanni Day)
14. 06:59 PM - Re: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. (Giovanni Day)
15. 07:07 PM - Re: Kitfox Model I/II (Glenn Horne)
16. 08:38 PM - Re: Florida Flying ()
17. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: Landing on a slope (jimshumaker)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
HI Guys, Thanks to all who repied with advice about bungies. I now have a spanking
new set with wipping and latex covers. Looks great and will do the job nicely.
Now that you have all sorted out that problem for me is anyone able to give
me the dimentions of the cylindrical pod that was slung under the early foxes.
A lister has emailed me pictures of a composite compartment that attaches
externally but the work to make the mould is a bit beyond my abilities. I remember
seeing a number of the cylindical ones but was never able to get sufficient
detail to see how it was attached. If anyone is able to comment about the pro's
or cons of this compartment I'd really appreciate it. Its getting very squeezy
in my Model 1 and while the others in the group are sleeping comfortably
in their tents, I'm out with the bugs.
Thanks Guys
Graeme.
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| Subject: | Alberta flies again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Finally managed to get my CFI together for the first flight after
radiator cowl mods. We completed half the BFR during testing. The OAT's at 2500'
were about 20 degrees so of course, I didn't get to check any overheating
problems.
During a straight climb to altitude, the coolant never reached 155
degrees. Even at cruise, it never got to 160. I closed both sides of the new
radiator flap and the temp still stayed below 160. The temp inside the cowling
at
the carb intake (using the EIS OAT Probe) was 45 degrees. With the EIS CHT
probes on the two alum coolant pipes, they indicated almost a 20 degree
difference between input/output coolant temps even with the rad flaps closed.
I was
hoping to have more control over the temps. During decent with both flaps
closed, the temps dropped to around 135. Didn't like that either.
It almost seems that I could have flown yesterday without a radiator at
all. Just pipe the coolant from the output to the input of the engine.
Speed with the new fairings remained about the same at 85-90 MPH @ 5800
RPM's.
John, I'm backing out on the title for title race.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Jimmie, I've been flying the 912 for a while now. What type of instruments are
you using
for EGT, Water Temp, Oil Temp and Oil Pressure?
Steve Magdic
912 Mod 3/4
N490PA
-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmie Blackwell [mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net]
Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Would appreciate someone directing me to where I might learn more about EGT on
the 912 UL. I believe that my EGT is to high and do not know what to do about
it. If anyone can point me to a web site where I might find a discussion about
EGT it would be very helpful.
Thank you.
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Steve
I am using a Westach quad gauge. The gauge was overhauled and calibrated a
couple of months ago.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EGT
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
> Jimmie, I've been flying the 912 for a while now. What type of instruments
are you using
> for EGT, Water Temp, Oil Temp and Oil Pressure?
> Steve Magdic
> 912 Mod 3/4
> N490PA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmie Blackwell [mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net]
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Would appreciate someone directing me to where I might learn more about
EGT on the 912 UL. I believe that my EGT is to high and do not know what to
do about it. If anyone can point me to a web site where I might find a
discussion about EGT it would be very helpful.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jimmie,
I had the same questions about my 912S. I was worrying about mixture and
everything else, but thanks to experts on the list I found my temperatures
were OK. I suspect that your's are too, but don't know if there are
differences between the 912 and 912S.
Interestingly I later found the pertinent numbers in the manuals on the CD
that I received with my engine. The info was in the installation manual NOT
in the Operation manual.
Hmmmm,,,,, I just looked for 912 data on the same CD. It says that
"Nominal c." is 1470 F (800 C). And "max" is 1560 F (850 C). The info is
the same for the 912S with the addition of Max at take off of 1620 F (880
C).
Hope this helps.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Would appreciate someone directing me to where I might learn more about EGT
on the 912 UL. I believe that my EGT is to high and do not know what to do
about it. If anyone can point me to a web site where I might find a
discussion about EGT it would be very helpful.
Thank you.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: EGT on 912 UL |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:53:53 -0800
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
If you believe your EGT is running too high, you can raise the long pins in the
carbs a notch to increase mixture richness. I did this and it helped. To confirm
correct mixture setting, while flying at cruise rpm setting, momentarily pull
the "choke". If rpms increase slightly, mixture may be too lean. If no change
in rpm, then mixture is probably OK. Checking spark plug color is another
way to confirm mixture setting.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley<mailto:taildragon@msn.com>
To: kitfox-list<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL
Jimmie,
This has been one of those scan items that needs careful watching...climbing
and above 3000' , no problems. But below 3000' feet, the rpm need to be below
3600 or above 5300 to keep the EGT 1550 or below. This has worked out fine for
me and the engine has performed flawlessly. However, low altitude formation flying
with other slower airplanes could present a problem. Flew with a Fitfox
Model 1 one time, I was at 1500' MSL, 3600 rpm, EGT at 1550 and 70 mph and he
was at full throttle, we did just fine. If he could have gone faster, say 90 or
so, we would have had to be above 3000' MSL or my EGT would have been in the
red with about 4600 rpm.
Roger
IV-1200, 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
This was one of those rare days that my wife actually said to me "please go
fly and get out of my way for the afternoon". Don't know what I did right, but
if I figure it out I am gonna do it again. Anyway, wanted to compare my EGT
readings with some of you that have more experience with the 912. At 4500'
msl and 4800 to 5000 rpm I am seeing about 1575 degrees F on my gauge(gauge calibrated
two months ago). When I reduce rpm to 4000 EGT drops to about 1450 degrees
f.
My operators manual on the 912 says 1570 degrees F for EGT is the maximum.
Just wondering what your experience is the 912 and EGT.
BTW it was a beautiful calm day in Texas and about 45 degrees F. That may
sound warm to some of you, but at 4500' this ole boy was shivering.
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Isn't the Wastach have the installation effect in that it is calibrated to 75F
and that you have to subtract or add the difference to the outside air temp.
So when its 50F the indicator will read 25 deg high and at 100F the indicator will
read 25 deg low. This is thermocouple error and is caused by the cold junction.
Paul N102DG
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| Subject: | Kitfox Model I/II |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
I recently bought a 95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- kit number 19, believe
it or not.
It's covered, painted, and the workmanship is outstanding. However, the instructions
are pretty sketchy;
I really need something to compare it to. Can someone give me a steer to a Model
I/II/III owner/builder in
the Baltimore/Washington D.C. area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I can fly to the airport
where the Kitfox is at.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Cloughley
Severna Park, Maryland
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=GENERATOR>
I recently bought a<SPAN
class=590181619-26012005>95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale --
kit number 19, believe itor not.
It's covered, painted, and the
workmanship is outstanding. However,
the instructions are pretty
sketchy;
I really need something to compare it to. Can
someone give me a steer to a Model
I/II/III owner/builder in
the Baltimore/Washington D.C.<SPAN
class=590181619-26012005> area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I<SPAN
class=590181619-26012005>can fly to the airport where the Kitfox is at.
Thanks in
advance,
<SPAN
class=590181619-26012005>
<FONT
size=2>Bill
Cloughley
<FONT
face=Arial>Severna Park,
Maryland
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Model I/II |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:36:53 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Bill, I have kit #345 in a Model II. If I can help I would be glad to. Contact
me off list.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Cloughley, Bill<mailto:BCloughl@ciena.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com<mailto:BCloughl@ciena.com>>
I recently bought a 95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- kit number 19,
believe it or not.
It's covered, painted, and the workmanship is outstanding. However, the instructions
are pretty sketchy;
I really need something to compare it to. Can someone give me a steer to a Model
I/II/III owner/builder in
the Baltimore/Washington D.C. area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I can fly to the airport
where the Kitfox is at.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Cloughley
Severna Park, Maryland
<META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" nameGENERATOR>
I recently bought a<SPAN
class590181619-26012005>95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale --
kit number 19, believe itor not.
It's covered, painted, and the
workmanship is outstanding. However,
the instructions are pretty
sketchy;
I really need something to compare it to. Can
someone give me a steer to a Model
I/II/III owner/builder in
the Baltimore/Washington D.C.<SPAN
class590181619-26012005> area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I<SPAN
class590181619-26012005>can fly to the airport where the Kitfox is at.
Thanks in
advance,
<SPAN
class590181619-26012005>
<FONT
size2>Bill
Cloughley
<FONT
faceArial>Severna Park,
Maryland
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Model I/II |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 1/26/05 11:20:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
BCloughl@ciena.com writes:
<<
I recently bought a 95% completed Kitfox in an estate sale -- kit number 19,
believe it or not.
It's covered, painted, and the workmanship is outstanding. However, the
instructions are pretty sketchy;
>>
Bill,
There is a model II/III in Suffolk, Va. (ready for first flight) and a
model IV in Newport News. Come on down.
BTW, there is no such thing as a Kitfox 95% complete. That means you
have at least 65 % to go.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2@earthlink.net>
Kurt,
I will be visiting relatives in a couple of weeks in Orlando and I will try to
inquire about potential fying communities. It's been 14 years since I was involved
with flying in Florida, but Orlando is where I learned.
Rex
Colorado
-----Original Message-----
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
OK everybody,
I've gone and done it. It appears that, starting in
May, I will be flying out of Florida for UPS. Is this
mid-life-crisis? ;-)
I need to find a nice, KitFox friendly place to live
in Florida. I probably will look first near Orlando
someplace, but I see that there are some 40 flying
communities in state. I'm open for suggestions.
The flights I'll be taking go out of Miami, Orlando,
Jacksonville, and St Pete. Looks like I'll be using
my RV as temporary living space when leaving from the
more distant airports from my home, where ever that
is.
My negotiable preferences are:
Near Orlando or reasonable drive?
Live with my plane or have inexpensice hangar
space
Where I can use wheels and floats?
Safe and friendly community
Bigger lots or acreage per house
Cheap? I am retiring soon. Can't afford Palm
Beach
I've been to Spruce Creek and Leeward Ranch so far.
No floats/water at either and Leeward is a bit dull
for a non-horse person, IMHO. Still looking. I can
build on an empty lot, if the right house isn't
available. I don't mind buying land, building, and
cutting a runway either.
Yes, I am still moving to the Rockies later... UPS
doesn't have a base in Idaho. :-(
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Alberta flies again |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Don,
Good Call!!!
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Finally managed to get my CFI together for the first flight after
>radiator cowl mods. We completed half the BFR during testing. The OAT's at 2500'
>were about 20 degrees so of course, I didn't get to check any overheating
>problems.
> During a straight climb to altitude, the coolant never reached 155
>degrees. Even at cruise, it never got to 160. I closed both sides of the new
>radiator flap and the temp still stayed below 160. The temp inside the cowling
at
>the carb intake (using the EIS OAT Probe) was 45 degrees. With the EIS CHT
>probes on the two alum coolant pipes, they indicated almost a 20 degree
>difference between input/output coolant temps even with the rad flaps closed.
I was
>hoping to have more control over the temps. During decent with both flaps
>closed, the temps dropped to around 135. Didn't like that either.
> It almost seems that I could have flown yesterday without a radiator at
>all. Just pipe the coolant from the output to the input of the engine.
> Speed with the new fairings remained about the same at 85-90 MPH @ 5800
>RPM's.
> John, I'm backing out on the title for title race.
>
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
>_
>
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| Subject: | model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello all,
I am wondering if a model 4 1200 with the wings shortened has a decreased
gross? Is the cruise increased that much when powered by a 912ul? What are
the major pros and cons? Thanks for your help.
Giovanni Day
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Sorry all for posting this to soon. I searched the archive to no avail then
realized I was on the rv archive.
I am still interested in the major pros and cons. Thanks
Giovanni Day
Definitely Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
Subject: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Hello all,
I am wondering if a model 4 1200 with the wings shortened has a decreased
gross? Is the cruise increased that much when powered by a 912ul? What are
the major pros and cons? Thanks for your help.
Giovanni Day
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Model I/II |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Hi Bill,
Glenn Horne here. I live in Suffolk, Va.
About 30 miles west of Norfolk, Va.
I'm waiting on the FAA to get my finial inspection done on my Model II.
Ser.# 548. I have two construction manual on the Model II. If I can be of
any help please let me know. My Fox is based at the Suffolk Executive
Airport. (SFQ)
Glenn Horne, Model II 582
Model II.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Bill, I have kit #345 in a Model II. If I can help I would be glad to.
> Contact me off list.
>
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cloughley, Bill<mailto:BCloughl@ciena.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:18 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill"
> <BCloughl@ciena.com<mailto:BCloughl@ciena.com>>
>
> I recently bought a 95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- kit number
> 19, believe it or not.
>
> It's covered, painted, and the workmanship is outstanding. However, the
> instructions are pretty sketchy;
>
> I really need something to compare it to. Can someone give me a steer to
> a Model I/II/III owner/builder in
>
> the Baltimore/Washington D.C. area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I can fly to the
> airport where the Kitfox is at.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Bill Cloughley
>
> Severna Park, Maryland
>
>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" nameGENERATOR>
>
>
> I recently bought a<SPAN
> class590181619-26012005>95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale --
> kit number 19, believe itor not.
>
>
> It's covered, painted, and the
> workmanship is outstanding. However,
> the instructions are pretty
> sketchy;
>
>
> I really need something to compare it to. Can
> someone give me a steer to a Model
> I/II/III owner/builder in
>
>
> the Baltimore/Washington D.C.<SPAN
> class590181619-26012005> area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I<SPAN
> class590181619-26012005>can fly to the airport where the Kitfox is at.
>
>
> Thanks in
> advance,
>
>
> <SPAN
> class590181619-26012005>
>
>
> <FONT
> size2>Bill
> Cloughley
>
>
> <FONT
> faceArial>Severna Park,
> Maryland
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com>
Kurt-
Take a look at airporthomes.com. The first listing under Find a Home is
Florida...
Good luck,
Lonnie
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on a slope |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Mike
The Cow Pasture is on the East side of the Salinas Valley. The Salinas
Valley is a hundred mile long coastal valley in Central California. Winters
are mild, as you can tell by the green grass and Summers are cool due to the
inflow of ocean air. Summer days average about 75 F highs, Winters average
about 60 degrees. We usually get a dusting of white on the hills in the
background of the picture...but don't bring your skis. The deepest I've
ever seen the snow is about 3 inches on the peaks (about 3300 feet ASL).
The hills will turn golden by May.
Jim Shumaker
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