---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/27/05: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:58 AM - Re: 912 EGT (Jimmie Blackwell) 2. 03:00 AM - Re: EGT on 912 UL (Jimmie Blackwell) 3. 03:02 AM - Re: EGT (Jimmie Blackwell) 4. 03:50 AM - Re: Florida Flying (David Dawe) 5. 11:29 AM - Re: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. (John Oakley) 6. 01:48 PM - Re: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. (Jose M. Toro) 7. 02:12 PM - How to License your Homebuilt Aircraft (Jon Croke) 8. 03:39 PM - Re: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. (John Oakley) 9. 03:51 PM - Sport Plane (jdmcbean) 10. 04:31 PM - Re: Sport Plane (John Oakley) 11. 05:03 PM - Re: Kitfox Model I/II (randy bortree) 12. 06:08 PM - Re: Sport Plane (jdmcbean) 13. 06:15 PM - Re: Sport Plane (kurt schrader) 14. 06:34 PM - Re: Kitfox Model I/II (Glenn Horne) 15. 07:08 PM - Re: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. (Michael Gibbs) 16. 07:11 PM - Re: Florida Flying (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:16 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 EGT --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" That is a good thought. I plan to call Westach today. Thank you. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Peerenboom" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 EGT > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" > > Isn't the Wastach have the installation effect in that it is calibrated to 75F and that you have to subtract or add the difference to the outside air temp. > So when its 50F the indicator will read 25 deg high and at 100F the indicator will read 25 deg low. This is thermocouple error and is caused by the cold junction. > > Paul N102DG > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:14 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" Roger Thank you. I flew today and pulled the choke at cruise rpm. No change in rpm, so I guess next step is to check the plugs and carb. I am going to a three day course on the 912 next week so maybe I will be a lot smarter soon. Thanks again Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" > > If you believe your EGT is running too high, you can raise the long pins in the carbs a notch to increase mixture richness. I did this and it helped. To confirm correct mixture setting, while flying at cruise rpm setting, momentarily pull the "choke". If rpms increase slightly, mixture may be too lean. If no change in rpm, then mixture is probably OK. Checking spark plug color is another way to confirm mixture setting. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Standley > To: kitfox-list > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL > > > Jimmie, > > This has been one of those scan items that needs careful watching...climbing and above 3000' , no problems. But below 3000' feet, the rpm need to be below 3600 or above 5300 to keep the EGT 1550 or below. This has worked out fine for me and the engine has performed flawlessly. However, low altitude formation flying with other slower airplanes could present a problem. Flew with a Fitfox Model 1 one time, I was at 1500' MSL, 3600 rpm, EGT at 1550 and 70 mph and he was at full throttle, we did just fine. If he could have gone faster, say 90 or so, we would have had to be above 3000' MSL or my EGT would have been in the red with about 4600 rpm. > > Roger > IV-1200, 912UL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimmie Blackwell > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:44 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT on 912 UL > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > > > This was one of those rare days that my wife actually said to me "please go fly and get out of my way for the afternoon". Don't know what I did right, but if I figure it out I am gonna do it again. Anyway, wanted to compare my EGT readings with some of you that have more experience with the 912. At 4500' msl and 4800 to 5000 rpm I am seeing about 1575 degrees F on my gauge(gauge calibrated two months ago). When I reduce rpm to 4000 EGT drops to about 1450 degrees f. > > My operators manual on the 912 says 1570 degrees F for EGT is the maximum. Just wondering what your experience is the 912 and EGT. > > BTW it was a beautiful calm day in Texas and about 45 degrees F. That may sound warm to some of you, but at 4500' this ole boy was shivering. > > Jimmie > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:36 AM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" Looked through the CD, but can't find anything on EGT's. It must be there and I am just looking in the wrong place. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EGT > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > Jimmie, > I had the same questions about my 912S. I was worrying about mixture and > everything else, but thanks to experts on the list I found my temperatures > were OK. I suspect that your's are too, but don't know if there are > differences between the 912 and 912S. > > Interestingly I later found the pertinent numbers in the manuals on the CD > that I received with my engine. The info was in the installation manual NOT > in the Operation manual. > > Hmmmm,,,,, I just looked for 912 data on the same CD. It says that > "Nominal c." is 1470 F (800 C). And "max" is 1560 F (850 C). The info is > the same for the 912S with the addition of Max at take off of 1620 F (880 > C). > > Hope this helps. > > Randy > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie > Blackwell > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" > > Would appreciate someone directing me to where I might learn more about EGT > on the 912 UL. I believe that my EGT is to high and do not know what to do > about it. If anyone can point me to a web site where I might find a > discussion about EGT it would be very helpful. > > Thank you. > > Jimmie > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:18 AM PST US From: "David Dawe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" There is an airpark near Melborne,Fla. runway,hangers and homes owenatfd88@aol.com I had a flight with above from that park. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hefferan" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Hefferan > > Kurt, > I will be visiting relatives in a couple of weeks in Orlando and I will try to inquire about potential fying communities. It's been 14 years since I was involved with flying in Florida, but Orlando is where I learned. > > Rex > Colorado > > -----Original Message----- > From: kurt schrader > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > OK everybody, > > I've gone and done it. It appears that, starting in > May, I will be flying out of Florida for UPS. Is this > mid-life-crisis? ;-) > > I need to find a nice, KitFox friendly place to live > in Florida. I probably will look first near Orlando > someplace, but I see that there are some 40 flying > communities in state. I'm open for suggestions. > > The flights I'll be taking go out of Miami, Orlando, > Jacksonville, and St Pete. Looks like I'll be using > my RV as temporary living space when leaving from the > more distant airports from my home, where ever that > is. > > My negotiable preferences are: > > Near Orlando or reasonable drive? > Live with my plane or have inexpensice hangar > space > Where I can use wheels and floats? > Safe and friendly community > Bigger lots or acreage per house > Cheap? I am retiring soon. Can't afford Palm > Beach > > I've been to Spruce Creek and Leeward Ranch so far. > No floats/water at either and Leeward is a bit dull > for a non-horse person, IMHO. Still looking. I can > build on an empty lot, if the right house isn't > available. I don't mind buying land, building, and > cutting a runway either. > > Yes, I am still moving to the Rockies later... UPS > doesn't have a base in Idaho. :-( > > Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:28 AM PST US From: "John Oakley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" Giovanni, I ran my model 4 1200 with ling wings for 200 hours and then ran with shorter wings. I gained 8 mph and lost 150 feet of climb. When I land and set it down, it quits flying , no float no bother. I love the short wing by far. I flly high altit. 5000 to 14000, land at 1300 lbs at 7500ft. back woods. no problem. John Oakley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" > > Hello all, > > I am wondering if a model 4 1200 with the wings shortened has a decreased > gross? Is the cruise increased that much when powered by a 912ul? What are > the major pros and cons? Thanks for your help. > > Giovanni Day > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:39 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Did you keep the same flaperon length when you "shortened" the wings? John Oakley wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" Giovanni, I ran my model 4 1200 with ling wings for 200 hours and then ran with shorter wings. I gained 8 mph and lost 150 feet of climb. When I land and set it down, it quits flying , no float no bother. I love the short wing by far. I flly high altit. 5000 to 14000, land at 1300 lbs at 7500ft. back woods. no problem. John Oakley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" > > Hello all, > > I am wondering if a model 4 1200 with the wings shortened has a decreased > gross? Is the cruise increased that much when powered by a 912ul? What are > the major pros and cons? Thanks for your help. > > Giovanni Day > Do Not Archive > > Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:15 PM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Kitfox-List: How to License your Homebuilt Aircraft --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" This is an announcement that www.HomebuiltHELP.com has just completed production, and the release of their latest DVD video presentation: "How to License Your Homebuilt Aircraft". (for the U.S.) To the best of my knowledge, this is the first comprehensive DVD video that explains in detail the complete licensing process for experimental amateur built aircraft - showing what/how/when to fill out the forms, the inspection process, and also demonstrating new capabilities such as reserving an N number by going online and using the FAA website. I'll leave it at that, as full details are available at the www.HomebuiltHELP.com website. Thanks! Jon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:34 PM PST US From: "John Oakley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" Jose, the flaps are made for the short wing. when you take of the out bay on each wing it works out perfect for everything. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" > > Did you keep the same flaperon length when you "shortened" the wings? > > John Oakley wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" > > Giovanni, > I ran my model 4 1200 with ling wings for 200 hours and then ran with > shorter wings. I gained 8 mph and lost 150 feet of climb. When I land and > set it down, it quits flying , no float no bother. I love the short wing by > far. I flly high altit. 5000 to 14000, land at 1300 lbs at 7500ft. back > woods. no problem. > > John Oakley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Giovanni Day" > To: "Kitfox-List" > Subject: Kitfox-List: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am wondering if a model 4 1200 with the wings shortened has a decreased > > gross? Is the cruise increased that much when powered by a 912ul? What are > > the major pros and cons? Thanks for your help. > > > > Giovanni Day > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > Jose M. Toro, P.E. > Kitfox II/582 > "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:45 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Good Afternoon Fellow Listers ! Most of you know me and Debra.. For those that do not, we hope to meet you soon. It will be one year ago in February that Debra and I started Sport Plane LLC to provide builder assistance, aftermarket parts and training. Hard to believe a year has gone by. Some of you may not even know that we exist and that is one reason for the post. The other reason, to enlist your help to promote us. We have several products available from Ivo Prop controllers and heat formed Poly-carbonate Turtledecks to TCP and are developing more on a regular basis. We have several aircraft in our facility and have traveled to California, Arizona and Utah to help others complete their aircraft or to provide first flight assistance and inspections. Please visit our web site www.sportplanellc.com If you have ideas or thoughts please feel free to contact us directly at sportplane@cableone.net We are coming up on a new air show season and we do plan on attending several of them Hope to see you there !! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:16 PM PST US From: "John Oakley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" Hi Jim, thanks for the heads up on your web site. It will help many of us. By the way have you tried or tested the ivo electronics controller yet. and in your site it shows a system to relocate the brushes? humm, oh yea, is the lite ivo ok for the 912ul or do we need to go to the medium. I ask on the fox web site because many have the same question. Thanks, john Oakley ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > > Good Afternoon Fellow Listers ! > > Most of you know me and Debra.. For those that do not, we hope to meet you > soon. > > It will be one year ago in February that Debra and I started Sport Plane LLC > to provide builder assistance, aftermarket > parts and training. Hard to believe a year has gone by. Some of you may not > even know that we exist and that is one reason for the post. The other > reason, to enlist your help to promote us. We have several products > available from Ivo Prop controllers and heat formed Poly-carbonate > Turtledecks to TCP and are developing more on a regular basis. We have > several aircraft in our facility and have traveled to California, Arizona > and Utah to help others complete their aircraft or to provide first flight > assistance and inspections. Please visit our web site www.sportplanellc.com > If you have ideas or thoughts please feel > free to contact us directly at sportplane@cableone.net > > > We are coming up on a new air show season and we do plan on attending > several of them Hope to see you there !! > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > www.sportplanellc.com > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:33 PM PST US From: "randy bortree" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "randy bortree" Hi Bill I have a Kit Fox I That has a 1835 mosler VW engine on it You are welcome to come down and go over it. It only has 46 hours on it. I just bought it a few months ago and only put 3.5 hours on it be for putting it up for the winter. I am located in Denton NC I wanted a single place N3 pup wnen I bought the kit fox. Will be selling the Kit Fox as soon as I find a Good pup I can take pictures of any thing that may help you. Randy 336- 465- 1059 > [Original Message] > From: Glenn Horne > To: > Date: 1/26/2005 10:06:54 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" > > Hi Bill, > Glenn Horne here. I live in Suffolk, Va. > About 30 miles west of Norfolk, Va. > I'm waiting on the FAA to get my finial inspection done on my Model II. > Ser.# 548. I have two construction manual on the Model II. If I can be of > any help please let me know. My Fox is based at the Suffolk Executive > Airport. (SFQ) > Glenn Horne, Model II 582 > Model II. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dee Young" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" > > > > Bill, I have kit #345 in a Model II. If I can help I would be glad to. > > Contact me off list. > > > > > > Dee Young > > Model II > > N345DY > > > > Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cloughley, Bill > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:18 PM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" > > > > > > > I recently bought a 95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- kit number > > 19, believe it or not. > > > > It's covered, painted, and the workmanship is outstanding. However, the > > instructions are pretty sketchy; > > > > I really need something to compare it to. Can someone give me a steer to > > a Model I/II/III owner/builder in > > > > the Baltimore/Washington D.C. area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I can fly to the > > airport where the Kitfox is at. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Bill Cloughley > > > > Severna Park, Maryland > > > > > > > > > > > > I recently bought a > class590181619-26012005>95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- > > kit number 19, believe itor not. > > > > > > It's covered, painted, and the > > workmanship is outstanding. However, > > the instructions are pretty > > sketchy; > > > > > > I really need something to compare it to. Can > > someone give me a steer to a Model > > I/II/III owner/builder in > > > > > > the Baltimore/Washington D.C. > class590181619-26012005> area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I > class590181619-26012005>can fly to the airport where the Kitfox is at. > > > > > > Thanks in > > advance, > > > > > > > class590181619-26012005> > > > > > > > size2>Bill > > Cloughley > > > > > > > faceArial>Severna Park, > > Maryland > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:33 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" John, I have not tried the Ivo Electronic Governor as of yet. I do own one but have not had a chance to install and operate it yet. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean www.sportplanellc.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Oakley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" Hi Jim, thanks for the heads up on your web site. It will help many of us. By the way have you tried or tested the ivo electronics controller yet. and in your site it shows a system to relocate the brushes? humm, oh yea, is the lite ivo ok for the 912ul or do we need to go to the medium. I ask on the fox web site because many have the same question. Thanks, john Oakley ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" > > Good Afternoon Fellow Listers ! > > Most of you know me and Debra.. For those that do not, we hope to meet you > soon. > > It will be one year ago in February that Debra and I started Sport Plane LLC > to provide builder assistance, aftermarket > parts and training. Hard to believe a year has gone by. Some of you may not > even know that we exist and that is one reason for the post. The other > reason, to enlist your help to promote us. We have several products > available from Ivo Prop controllers and heat formed Poly-carbonate > Turtledecks to TCP and are developing more on a regular basis. We have > several aircraft in our facility and have traveled to California, Arizona > and Utah to help others complete their aircraft or to provide first flight > assistance and inspections. Please visit our web site www.sportplanellc.com > If you have ideas or thoughts please feel > free to contact us directly at sportplane@cableone.net > > > We are coming up on a new air show season and we do plan on attending > several of them Hope to see you there !! > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > www.sportplanellc.com > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:49 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Plane --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader May I add to John's post that I ordered from him recently and had an e-mail shipment notice from UPS the same day! Talk about immediate service!!! Go John and Debra! Kurt S. --- jdmcbean wrote: > Good Afternoon Fellow Listers ! > > Most of you know me and Debra.. For those that do > not, we hope to meet you soon. > > It will be one year ago in February that Debra and I > started Sport Plane LLC > to provide builder > assistance, aftermarket parts and training. > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > www.sportplanellc.com > > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:17 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Hi Randy, We are having an auction at my local airport in Suffolk, Va. (SFQ) not sure of the date. They will auction off several aircraft and one is a PUP. If you are interested let me know at glennflys@verizon.net. Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va Model II ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy bortree" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "randy bortree" > > > Hi Bill > I have a Kit Fox I That has a 1835 mosler VW engine on it You are welcome > to come down and go over it. It only has 46 hours on it. I just bought it > a few months ago and only put 3.5 hours on it be for putting it up for the > winter. I am located in Denton NC I wanted a single place N3 pup wnen > I > bought the kit fox. Will be selling the Kit Fox as soon as I find a Good > pup I can take pictures of any thing that may help you. > Randy 336- 465- 1059 >> [Original Message] >> From: Glenn Horne >> To: >> Date: 1/26/2005 10:06:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II >> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" >> >> Hi Bill, >> Glenn Horne here. I live in Suffolk, Va. >> About 30 miles west of Norfolk, Va. >> I'm waiting on the FAA to get my finial inspection done on my Model II. >> Ser.# 548. I have two construction manual on the Model II. If I can be of >> any help please let me know. My Fox is based at the Suffolk Executive >> Airport. (SFQ) >> Glenn Horne, Model II 582 >> Model II. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dee Young" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II >> >> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" >> > >> > Bill, I have kit #345 in a Model II. If I can help I would be glad to. >> > Contact me off list. >> > >> > >> > Dee Young >> > Model II >> > N345DY >> > >> > Do Not Archive >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Cloughley, Bill >> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:18 PM >> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Model I/II >> > >> > >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" >> > > >> > >> > I recently bought a 95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- kit > number >> > 19, believe it or not. >> > >> > It's covered, painted, and the workmanship is outstanding. However, > the >> > instructions are pretty sketchy; >> > >> > I really need something to compare it to. Can someone give me a steer > to >> > a Model I/II/III owner/builder in >> > >> > the Baltimore/Washington D.C. area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I can fly to > the >> > airport where the Kitfox is at. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > >> > >> > Bill Cloughley >> > >> > Severna Park, Maryland >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I recently bought a> > class590181619-26012005>95% completed KitfoxI in an estate sale -- >> > kit number 19, believe itor not. >> > >> > >> > It's covered, painted, and the >> > workmanship is outstanding. However, >> > the instructions are pretty >> > sketchy; >> > >> > >> > I really need something to compare it to. Can >> > someone give me a steer to a Model >> > I/II/III owner/builder in >> > >> > >> > the Baltimore/Washington D.C.> > class590181619-26012005> area, or even PA, NJ, VA? I> > class590181619-26012005>can fly to the airport where the Kitfox is at. >> > >> > >> > Thanks in >> > advance, >> > >> > >> > > > class590181619-26012005> >> > >> > >> > > > size2>Bill >> > Cloughley >> > >> > >> > > > faceArial>Severna Park, >> > Maryland >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:06 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: model 4 1200 with 29ft wings. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs Hi Giovanni, This issue has come up on the list several times. As with any topic where opinion comes into play, you can ask 10 pilots and builders and you'll get 11 answers. Having built a Model IV-1200 Speedster (short wings), here's my 2 cents worth. >I am wondering if a model 4 1200 with the wings shortened has a decreased >gross? There is no change in gross weight with the short wings. I actually told the FAA that my max gross weight was 1232 in anticipation of the light sport rules, but then that was ultimately raised to 1320 anyway. I figure the useful load has to be a little higher since you've chopped off at least a pounds or two of wing, right? :-) >Is the cruise increased that much when powered by a 912ul? I put a 912 ULS on mine and saw cruise speeds at intermediate altitudes (4,000 to 7,000 feet) in the 125 mph range. Top speed was very close to Vne, over 135 mph. >What are the major pros and cons? Thanks for your help. I'm sure I won't think of all of them, but here are some: Advantages of clipped wings: Shorter span makes ground handling a bit easier. When folded, the airplane is shorter than the long wing version. At altitudes up to around 10,000 feet, higher cruise speeds. Faster roll rate (company literature once claimed 120 degrees/second). Higher wing loading gives a better ride in turbulence. Two less ribs to install. :-) Advantages of long wings: More lift. Better roll stability. Better performance at high altitudes. Probably gets off of water faster on floats. I'm sure there are more, but that's what comes to mind. I have to say that departing Phoenix Deer Valley airport on a summer evening (1500 feet elevation, about 100 degrees OAT) with only me on board, my Speedster got off the ground in 120 feet, so I'm not sure you give up much on the low end by clipping the wings. I never regretted making my wings short, but there are folks who prefer them long, as I'm sure you'll hear from others. Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:16 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Florida Flying --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Don and the list, My delayed apologies to everyone who responded to my Florida request. I was deeply involved in my annual checkride, and my father has been jumping in and out of his grave since Christmas. Both had me distracted. Tonight I finished my 3 days of training, 4 simulator checkrides, and 12 hrs of classroom work with test. I get to keep my job one more year. :-) I went to work this morning after being told last night that my father had only 1-2 weeks left. Today I was told that he is strong enough for quite a bit longer. He may not be able to fly in my KitFox as he hoped, but I might still be able to fly it up to Wis for him to see as soon as the days are warm enough for him to come outside. It is good that a KitFox still provides goals, even after it is built. ;-) It put a little more fight in him. Now I can take time to respond to each e-mail seperately over the next day or two. Don, Well, if you are landlocked, it can only be an airport, right? ;-) You would have to buy the land between you and the road to make it work, I suppose. Maybe post it as gator hunting grounds? Charge a fee for people to clear your land of large green varments? I think Disney World started out on land about like yours. And if you stand in one place long enough in Florida, lightening could strike twice. :-) Kurt S. --- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > Well, my father willed me the property about 10 > years ago. Seems he bought it in the 50's as part > of a land scam deal (he didn't know that). It's in > an area called River Ranch and is located (along > with hundreds of other 5 acre tracts) about 1000' off > the nearest road (land locked). And yes, all the > gators of Florida live on my one little piece. > The taxes are about $20. a year and I can always > say, I own a piece of Florida. > > Kurt, enjoy > > Do Not Archive > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582