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1. 04:09 AM - Re: Poly tack (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: Poly tack (Dee Young)
3. 07:06 AM - Questions from N.F. About a New Kitfox (Gunn, Michael (Space Technology))
4. 07:10 AM - EEB14FA412D02 (hausding, sid)
5. 08:13 AM - Re: A few questions (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 09:09 AM - SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (jareds)
7. 09:21 AM - Cross Country (Gary Algate)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (kurt schrader)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (jareds)
11. 10:32 AM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (jareds)
12. 10:45 AM - Re: A few questions (Richard Hutson)
13. 11:07 AM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (kurt schrader)
14. 01:22 PM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
15. 02:12 PM - Mobil 1 MX4T oil ? (Allan Arthur)
16. 02:14 PM - Shock Cord ? (Allan Arthur)
17. 02:20 PM - Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 (Michel Verheughe)
18. 02:30 PM - Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 (Michel Verheughe)
19. 03:31 PM - Re: Shock Cord ? (Howard Firm)
20. 03:41 PM - stall speed calculations (Rick)
21. 03:42 PM - tuned exhaust pipe lengths (Rick)
22. 04:32 PM - Re: tuned exhaust pipe lengths (kurt schrader)
23. 04:56 PM - Re: stall speed calculations (kurt schrader)
24. 05:00 PM - Re: Out of town (kurt schrader)
25. 05:14 PM - Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 (Jose M. Toro)
26. 05:16 PM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (jareds)
27. 05:17 PM - Re: Shock Cord ? (Jeff Smathers)
28. 08:36 PM - Re: Out of town (Rick)
29. 09:23 PM - Re: Out of town (John Perry)
30. 10:08 PM - c-90 power (roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick))
31. 10:15 PM - Re: Out of town (Richard Hutson)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
But are you "sticken" to your story with or without Poly tak? : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, January 30, 2005, at 02:31 PM, Dee Young wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> I saw a video of the fabric ballooning up on the wings of a Pitts
> while in flight. Of all the things a person can worry about when
> flying, the fabric coming off shouldn't be one of them. I poly tacked
> the ribs bottom and top and rib stitched wings and tail feathers. Its
> stuck tight to the ribs everywhere and will never fall off and it
> looks good and "that's my story and I'm sticken to it".
>
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Poly Tak worked good for me
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Matteson<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poly tack
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>>
But are you "sticken" to your story with or without Poly tak? : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, January 30, 2005, at 02:31 PM, Dee Young wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
>
> I saw a video of the fabric ballooning up on the wings of a Pitts
> while in flight. Of all the things a person can worry about when
> flying, the fabric coming off shouldn't be one of them. I poly tacked
> the ribs bottom and top and rib stitched wings and tail feathers. Its
> stuck tight to the ribs everywhere and will never fall off and it
> looks good and "that's my story and I'm sticken to it".
>
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Questions from N.F. About a New Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gunn, Michael (Space Technology)" <michael.gunn@ngc.com>
Like Lowell, I bought my 4-1200, 912 from Denny just as Skystar assumed control
('93). After 4 years and 1600 hrs, I had a wonderful little airplane that I continue
to fly. Another consideration is the maintenance cost. I just did my annual.
That saves alot of cash compared to owning a Cessna. For me, my 4-1200
(nowdays called the Classic) is the perfect fit-good cruise/climb, easy to build,
easy to maintain, and fun to fly! Good luck.
Mike in Ramona
N5291R
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Nathan,
That sure is a weak excuse for member services..........your department? All
it takes is to arrange some space on one of your servers, or get one of "our
own for AOPA, and ask the membership to submit 'their' photos and then have
someone scan and or refile to a members photos file for view and choice of
screensavers......for an organization like AOPA I would think one of your
IT people could do this in a morning. The choice of photos now is pretty
slim and very limited to a few high dollar composites from companies that
probably paid to get their photos online...............
Lets see if your department, or member services can't come up with something
in the next few days................
Hausding, Sid
member
-------------------------------
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately at this time there no opportunities to post user photographs.
The pictures that are in our gallery are ones taken by our photographer.
Thank you for your patience.
If you have any further questions feel free to contact us at 1-800-872-2672.
Best Regards,
Nathan Rohrbaugh
Aviation Technical Specialist
Aviation Services Department
Fax 301-695-2375
www.aopa.org
--- Original Message Below ---
This is an Info Request from the AOPA Website.
The following information was provided:
Name: Hausding, Sid
AOPA Number: 01296378
Address:
City:
State/Province:
E-mail Address: sidh@charter.net
Subject: Other
Request:
The downloadable photo images are sadly lacking in homebuilt/kit built
examples.
How do we 'share' out own photos to add some real experimental, or home
built planes to the collection?
Thank you,
Sid
N204S
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| Subject: | Re: A few questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
there are inherent risks with ANY supplier of products for the experimental market.
Many of them have been scourged on this list. The Glassair, Glastar people
disappeared in the night with no warning while people were thinking they were
one of the premier kit manufacturers. Skystar is attempting to take the upper
and more difficult road and work through their economic problems brought on
by a series of events outside their control. Take normal business precautions
with your payments and expectations.
This list can provide a great deal of help in the construction process. Of the
several aviations lists that I monitor, the Kitfox list is the most active. I
have been a participant for ten years and find that participation here keeps
the thrill of the building/flying alive for me.
Some of you may remember Brad Mullen from SLC with the Burgandy/Red Model 3/4 that
Ed Downs had begun but sold before completion in 1994. After installing a
912ul and flying it for about 8 years with over 800 hours, a ton of which was
backcountry flying he offered it for sale. It didn't sell quickly but the negotiations
came down to two buyers bidding for it. It is selling to a buyer in
Tucson for $30,000. That is about what Brad has invested and he had 800 hours
plus a lot of hangar time enjoying his plane. The design is solid for the type
of flying most of us on the list enjoy.
John Kerr
Classic IV, 700+ hours
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
>
> N.F.
> I will reply to this post but there are some who will take exception to my
> comments and disagree with what I am about to saying. I can speak only for
> myself and the experience I have had with SS.
>
> I obtained a Model II back on 99 and began the building process. The kit was
> handed down through several owners and was pretty much a mess. Took some time
to
> sort everything out and educate myself and what to do next. Started the build
> process in 2000 and took me about 18 months to get through it. I used this web
> site to answer questions as I encountered them. I also worked with SS on a
> number of different areas where parts had been lost or what ever. SS had no
> responsibility to me as I was the third owner but was very responsive to me
> needs and was always happy to help out where ever it was needed. An examples
was
> the turtle deck design I didn't like so with a visit to SS found that the Lite
2
> Squared has the same size turtle deck as the old model II so was able to
> purchase what I needed. The counter weights on the wings were lost and they also
> found a set for me. I never found a time SS was unwilling to help me out. As
far
> as the Poly-Fiber, it's a great system and I found!
> it very easy to work with. I purchased a video and watched it several times and
> asked the guys on this list questions and am pleased with the finished product.
> As for SS can say they treated me dang good. I know they are having some
> problems but I am sure they will get through this. I drive by the plant about
> once a month and stop in periodically and they appear to be in business to stay.
> I would not be afraid to put my money on them. I am flying my Model II today
> and have been very pleased with the finished product. Builder support by SS was
> excellent and by this list was excellent is what helped me get it built.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
> I have a few questions about Kitfox. I am considering a Model 7 but I have
> never built a plane and have certainly never worked with Poly-Fiber. I just
> cannot see buying Cessna for twice the price that's twice as old and performs
> half as good. There are other planes that I am considering but I always come
> back to the model 7. My questions are mainly about the company. Will I be able
> to get all of my kit? What about support? I've been to their website many,
> many times over a period of years and I have to be honest, it's not one of the
> better websites. I called to see if I could purchase an info pack and was sent
> one page with pictures of a red taildragger that I am pretty sure is a Series
6.
> They made sure to send an order form, though. I also saw`on a website pictures
> of a S-7 with an empty weight of 825lbs with a 912S. I will probably want to
> fly under LSA so 825 isn't that great with a 1320 gross. I know they quote an
> empty weight 450lbs for a Model-IV and I don't
> think I have even heard of a 450lb Model-IV. More like 700lbs from what I
> have seen. I really like the Kitfox, but I am not so sure about the company.
> Any input you guys could give me would be appreciated. Am I expecting too much?
> Should I find a 50+ year old Champ for close to the same money and always wonder
> what 1000 fpm feels like?
>
> Thanks
> N. F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
there are inherent risks with ANY supplier of products for the experimental market.
Many of them have been scourged on this list. The Glassair, Glastar people
disappeared in the night with no warning while people were thinking they were
one of the premier kit manufacturers. Skystar is attempting to take the upper
and more difficult road and work through their economic problems brought on
by a series of events outside their control. Take normal business precautions
with your payments and expectations.
This list can provide a great deal of help in the construction process. Of the
several aviations lists that I monitor, the Kitfox list is the most active. I
have been a participant for ten years and find that participation here keeps the
thrill of the building/flying alive for me.
Some of you may remember Brad Mullen from SLC with the Burgandy/Red Model 3/4 that
Ed Downs had begun but sold before completion in 1994. After installing a
912ul and flying it for about 8 years with over 800 hours, a ton of which was
backcountry flying he offered it for sale. It didn't sell quickly but the negotiations
came down to two buyers bidding for it. It is selling to a buyer in Tucson
for $30,000. That is about whatBrad has invested and he had 800 hours plus
a lot of hangar time enjoying his plane. The design is solid for the type of
flying most of us on the list enjoy.
John Kerr
Classic IV, 700+ hours
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <HENRYSFORK1@MSN.COM>
N.F.
I will reply to this post but there are some who will take exception to my
comments and disagree with what I am about to saying. I can speak only for
myself and the experience I have had with SS.
I obtained a Model II back on 99 and began the building process. The kit was
handed down through several owners and was pretty much a mess. Took some time
to
sort everything out and educate myself and what to do next. Started the build
process in 2000 and took me about 18 months to get through it. I used this web
site to answer questions as I encountered them. I also worked with SS on a
number of different areas where parts had been lost or what ever. SS had
no
responsibility to me as I was the third owner but was very responsive to me
needs and was always happy to help out where ever it was needed. An examples was
the turtle deck design I didn't like so with a visit to SS found that the Lite
2
Squared has the same size turtle deck as the old model II so was able to
purchase what I needed. The counter weights on the wings were lost and they also
found a set for me. I never found a time SS was unwilling to help me out. As far
as the Poly-Fiber, it's a great system and I found!
it very easy to work with. I purchased a video and watched it several times and
asked the guys on this list questions and am pleased with the finished product.
As for SS can say they treated me dang good. I know they are having some
problems but I am sure they will get through this. I drive by the plant about
once a month and stop in periodically and
they appear to be in business to stay.
I would not be afraid to put my money on them. I am flying my Model II today
and have been very pleased with the finished product. Builder support by SS was
excellent and by this list was excellent is what helped me get it built.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do Not Archive.
I have a few questions about Kitfox. I am considering a Model 7 but I have
never built a plane and have certainly never worked with Poly-Fiber. I just
cannot see buying Cessna for twice the price that's twice as old and performs
half as good. There are other planes that I am considering but I always come
back to the model 7. My questions are mainly about the company. Will I be able
to get all of my kit? What about support? I've been to their website many,
many times over a period of years and I have to be hone
st, it's not one of the
better websites. I called to see if I could purchase an info pack and was sent
one page with pictures of a red taildragger that I am pretty sure is a Series
6.
They made sure to send an order form, though. I also saw`on a website pictures
of a S-7 with an empty weight of 825lbs with a 912S. I will probably want to
fly under LSA so 825 isn't that great with a 1320 gross. I know they quote an
empty weight 450lbs for a Model-IV and I don't
think I have even heard of a 450lb Model-IV. More like 700lbs from what I
have seen. I really like the Kitfox, but I am not so sure about the company.
Any input you guys could give me would be appreciated. Am I expecting too much?
Should I find a 50+ year old Champ for close to the same money and always wonder
what 1000 fpm feels like?
Thanks
N. F.
===================================================
re
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| Subject: | SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Just moved from DC to a ranch in SD and was looking for local flyers.
Anyone in the area of North Central S.D or Southern ND or E montana??
I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of space in the hangers
if ya wanna visit! haa
Jared
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
>there are inherent risks with ANY supplier of products for the experimental market.
Many of them have been scourged on this list. The Glassair, Glastar people
disappeared in the night with no warning while people were thinking they
were one of the premier kit manufacturers. Skystar is attempting to take the upper
and more difficult road and work through their economic problems brought
on by a series of events outside their control. Take normal business precautions
with your payments and expectations.
>
>This list can provide a great deal of help in the construction process. Of the
several aviations lists that I monitor, the Kitfox list is the most active.
I have been a participant for ten years and find that participation here keeps
the thrill of the building/flying alive for me.
>
>Some of you may remember Brad Mullen from SLC with the Burgandy/Red Model 3/4
that Ed Downs had begun but sold before completion in 1994. After installing a
912ul and flying it for about 8 years with over 800 hours, a ton of which was
backcountry flying he offered it for sale. It didn't sell quickly but the negotiations
came down to two buyers bidding for it. It is selling to a buyer in
Tucson for $30,000. That is about what Brad has invested and he had 800 hours
plus a lot of hangar time enjoying his plane. The design is solid for the
type of flying most of us on the list enjoy.
>
>John Kerr
>Classic IV, 700+ hours
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
>>
>>N.F.
>>I will reply to this post but there are some who will take exception to my
>>comments and disagree with what I am about to saying. I can speak only for
>>myself and the experience I have had with SS.
>>
>>I obtained a Model II back on 99 and began the building process. The kit was
>>handed down through several owners and was pretty much a mess. Took some time
to
>>sort everything out and educate myself and what to do next. Started the build
>>process in 2000 and took me about 18 months to get through it. I used this web
>>site to answer questions as I encountered them. I also worked with SS on a
>>number of different areas where parts had been lost or what ever. SS had no
>>responsibility to me as I was the third owner but was very responsive to me
>>needs and was always happy to help out where ever it was needed. An examples
was
>>the turtle deck design I didn't like so with a visit to SS found that the Lite
2
>>Squared has the same size turtle deck as the old model II so was able to
>>purchase what I needed. The counter weights on the wings were lost and they also
>>found a set for me. I never found a time SS was unwilling to help me out. As
far
>>as the Poly-Fiber, it's a great system and I found!
>>it very easy to work with. I purchased a video and watched it several times and
>>asked the guys on this list questions and am pleased with the finished product.
>>As for SS can say they treated me dang good. I know they are having some
>>problems but I am sure they will get through this. I drive by the plant about
>>once a month and stop in periodically and they appear to be in business to stay.
>>I would not be afraid to put my money on them. I am flying my Model II today
>>and have been very pleased with the finished product. Builder support by SS was
>>excellent and by this list was excellent is what helped me get it built.
>>
>>Dee Young
>>Model II
>>N345DY
>>
>>Do Not Archive.
>>
>>
>>I have a few questions about Kitfox. I am considering a Model 7 but I have
>>never built a plane and have certainly never worked with Poly-Fiber. I just
>>cannot see buying Cessna for twice the price that's twice as old and performs
>>half as good. There are other planes that I am considering but I always come
>>back to the model 7. My questions are mainly about the company. Will I be able
>>to get all of my kit? What about support? I've been to their website many,
>>many times over a period of years and I have to be honest, it's not one of the
>>better websites. I called to see if I could purchase an info pack and was sent
>>one page with pictures of a red taildragger that I am pretty sure is a Series
6.
>>They made sure to send an order form, though. I also saw`on a website pictures
>>of a S-7 with an empty weight of 825lbs with a 912S. I will probably want to
>>fly under LSA so 825 isn't that great with a 1320 gross. I know they quote an
>>empty weight 450lbs for a Model-IV and I don't
>>think I have even heard of a 450lb Model-IV. More like 700lbs from what I
>>have seen. I really like the Kitfox, but I am not so sure about the company.
>>Any input you guys could give me would be appreciated. Am I expecting too much?
>>Should I find a 50+ year old Champ for close to the same money and always wonder
>>what 1000 fpm feels like?
>>
>>Thanks
>>N. F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>there are inherent risks with ANY supplier of products for the experimental market.
Many of them have been scourged on this list. The Glassair, Glastar people
disappeared in the night with no warning while people were thinking they were
one of the premier kit manufacturers. Skystar is attempting to take the upper
and more difficult road and work through their economic problems brought on
by a series of events outside their control. Take normal business precautions
with your payments and expectations.
>
>This list can provide a great deal of help in the construction process. Of the
several aviations lists that I monitor, the Kitfox list is the most active. I
have been a participant for ten years and find that participation here keeps
the thrill of the building/flying alive for me.
>
>Some of you may remember Brad Mullen from SLC with the Burgandy/Red Model 3/4
that Ed Downs had begun but sold before completion in 1994. After installing a
912ul and flying it for about 8 years with over 800 hours, a ton of which was
backcountry flying he offered it for sale. It didn't sell quickly but the negotiations
came down to two buyers bidding for it. It is selling to a buyer in
Tucson for $30,000. That is about whatBrad has invested and he had 800 hours plus
a lot of hangar time enjoying his plane. The design is solid for the type
of flying most of us on the list enjoy.
>
>John Kerr
>Classic IV, 700+ hours
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <HENRYSFORK1@MSN.COM>
>
> N.F.
> I will reply to this post but there are some who will take exception to my
> comments and disagree with what I am about to saying. I can speak only for
> myself and the experience I have had with SS.
>
> I obtained a Model II back on 99 and began the building process. The kit was
> handed down through several owners and was pretty much a mess. Took some time
to
> sort everything out and educate myself and what to do next. Started the build
> process in 2000 and took me about 18 months to get through it. I used this web
> site to answer questions as I encountered them. I also worked with SS on a
> number of different areas where parts had been lost or what ever. SS had
> no
> responsibility to me as I was the third owner but was very responsive to me
> needs and was always happy to help out where ever it was needed. An examples
was
> the turtle deck design I didn't like so with a visit to SS found that the Lite
2
> Squared has the same size turtle deck as the old model II so was able to
> purchase what I needed. The counter weights on the wings were lost and they also
> found a set for me. I never found a time SS was unwilling to help me out. As
far
> as the Poly-Fiber, it's a great system and I found!
> it very easy to work with. I purchased a video and watched it several times and
> asked the guys on this list questions and am pleased with the finished product.
> As for SS can say they treated me dang good. I know they are having some
> problems but I am sure they will get through this. I drive by the plant about
> once a month and stop in periodically and
> they appear to be in business to stay.
> I would not be afraid to put my money on them. I am flying my Model II today
> and have been very pleased with the finished product. Builder support by SS was
> excellent and by this list was excellent is what helped me get it built.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
> I have a few questions about Kitfox. I am considering a Model 7 but I have
> never built a plane and have certainly never worked with Poly-Fiber. I just
> cannot see buying Cessna for twice the price that's twice as old and performs
> half as good. There are other planes that I am considering but I always come
> back to the model 7. My questions are mainly about the company. Will I be able
> to get all of my kit? What about support? I've been to their website many,
> many times over a period of years and I have to be hone
> st, it's not one of the
> better websites. I called to see if I could purchase an info pack and was sent
> one page with pictures of a red taildragger that I am pretty sure is a Series
6.
> They made sure to send an order form, though. I also saw`on a website pictures
> of a S-7 with an empty weight of 825lbs with a 912S. I will probably want to
> fly under LSA so 825 isn't that great with a 1320 gross. I know they quote an
> empty weight 450lbs for a Model-IV and I don't
> think I have even heard of a 450lb Model-IV. More like 700lbs from what I
> have seen. I really like the Kitfox, but I am not so sure about the company.
> Any input you guys could give me would be appreciated. Am I expecting too much?
> Should I find a 50+ year old Champ for close to the same money and always wonder
> what 1000 fpm feels like?
>
> Thanks
> N. F.
>
>
> ===================================================
> re
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
There was a Challenger Fly in over the weekend in Montebello, Quebec
located on the Ottawa River between Ottawa and Montreal. Two of my Sudbury
friends have Challengers and invited me to join them for a Cross Country.
The plan was for me to fly NE from Barrie , and they would fly E from
Sudbury and we would meet in North Bay (130 Mile for me & about 80 Mile for
them) from there it was a 238 Nm leg to Montebello. Initially I was going to
meet up with them further E but that would have meant a 120Nm route over
the Algonquin park and at -25 deg with no towns or roads I decided on the
longer route which was well populated.
I had problems getting away from Barrie as my skis were stuck solid to the
ice but a few friends assisted with a push and I got away without any
further issues. C-IGVW was well loaded with survival equipment (including a
Coleman stove and aluminum ducting to heat up the engine if required) and
86Ltrs of gas in the tank and 25 Ltr on the passenger seat.
I phoned my chums prior to departure and they confirmed that they were
almost ready to leave. When I arrived in North Bay there was a message on my
phone from them advising that an ice storm had moved in and although they
tried to penetrate it they lost visibility and had to return to the
airstrip. Lucky they did as when they landed they found that the plane had
accumulated about 1-1/2" of ice and the prop had thrown ice through the
covering of both planes.
About 10 mins later they phoned to say the front had moved through, the
holes were duct taped and they were on their way.
We made a number of re-fueling stops along the river as one Challenger only
had a 10USG tank and we squeaked into Montebello at last light due to the
late departure.
Total flying time for me was 4.3 Hrs with 368 Nm covered. We had 20mph tail
winds at 4500 ft and when we returned we had 5mph tail winds at 500ft - you
have to love that.
At Montebello they had 36 Challengers, 1 Kitfox and a number of Wagabonds
and Aerocruisers. Throughout the weekend we had conferences with Suppliers,
Transport Canada and a number of pilots presented presentations of past
missions. Ours paled into insignificants when one pilot presented a slide
show of his trip from Barrie over the Great Lakes, Manitoba, Saskatchewan to
BC over the Rocky Mountains. What made it even more dramatic was that his
wife flew in the Back seat. The photos from that Challenger at 10,000ft with
peaks both sides looming thousands of feet over them were incredible and
scary. The Pilot also works for Air Korea and has over 28,000 Hrs logged.
The theme of the weekend was "one more step" aimed at getting pilots to push
there limits to travel a little further than their present comfort patch..
It was a great weekend and C-IGVW performed flawlessly.
I have a number of photos and will post if someone can remind me how to do
it??
Gary Algate
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| Subject: | SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jared,
There are several Foxes in the Rapid City area. You are welcome to visit
here too.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Kitfox-List: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Just moved from DC to a ranch in SD and was looking for local flyers.
Anyone in the area of North Central S.D or Southern ND or E montana??
I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of space in the hangers
if ya wanna visit! haa
Jared
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Jareds,
40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
the place!
It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
the list and plays with KitFox's.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
> space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
>
> Jared
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Awesome ....
Am coming down for the rodeo and some business this weekend. Staying in
the spearfish area.
Soon as the plane is airworthy this spring i'll come down for some visits.
How many?? Do you guys do any "bird dog flights" like john king in DC>??
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>Jared,
>There are several Foxes in the Rapid City area. You are welcome to visit
>here too.
>
>Randy
>
>.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>Just moved from DC to a ranch in SD and was looking for local flyers.
>Anyone in the area of North Central S.D or Southern ND or E montana??
>
>I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of space in the hangers
>if ya wanna visit! haa
>
>Jared
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Hey Jareds,
>
>40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
>the place!
>
>It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
>the list and plays with KitFox's.
>
>Kurt S.
>
>Do not archive
>
>--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
>>space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A few questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
skystar has redone their Web Site in the last 30 days go check it out.
----- Original Message -----
From: <upnaway.1@netzero.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: A few questions
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "upnaway.1@netzero.com"
> <upnaway.1@netzero.com>
>
>
> I have a few questions about Kitfox. I am considering a Model 7 but I
> have never built a plane and have certainly never worked with Poly-Fiber.
> I just cannot see buying Cessna for twice the price that's twice as old
> and performs half as good. There are other planes that I am considering
> but I always come back to the model 7. My questions are mainly about the
> company. Will I be able to get all of my kit? What about support? I've
> been to their website many, many times over a period of years and I have
> to be honest, it's not one of the better websites. I called to see if I
> could purchase an info pack and was sent one page with pictures of a red
> taildragger that I am pretty sure is a Series 6. They made sure to send an
> order form, though. I also saw`on a website pictures of a S-7 with an
> empty weight of 825lbs with a 912S. I will probably want to fly under LSA
> so 825 isn't that great with a 1320 gross. I know they quote an empty
> weight 450lbs for a Model-IV and I don't
> think I have even heard of a 450lb Model-IV. More like 700lbs from what
> I have seen. I really like the Kitfox, but I am not so sure about the
> company. Any input you guys could give me would be appreciated. Am I
> expecting too much? Should I find a 50+ year old Champ for close to the
> same money and always wonder what 1000 fpm feels like?
>
> Thanks
> N. F.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes Jareds,
You've got it all and cheap. Corn Palace? A sign
that says,
Only XXX miles
to Jareds
Wall Drugs
It is still pioneer country and you can be somebody
there. HAve fun. :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the
> family pastures to land!!
> SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
>
> Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us
to dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
>
> BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
> SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
>
> Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> >
> >Hey Jareds,
> >
> >40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
> >the place!
> >
> >It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
> >the list and plays with KitFox's.
> >
> >Kurt S.
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >--- jareds wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
> >>space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
> >>
> >>Jared
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us to
dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>
BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
kurt schrader wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM>
Hey Jareds,
40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
the place!
It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
the list and plays with KitFox's.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>wrote:
I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
Jared
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| Subject: | Mobil 1 MX4T oil ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net>
Does anyone know where I can get Mobil 1 MX4T 10W40 oil in the San
Francisco / Bay Area and how much costs?
Allan & Nancy Arthur, N40AA
Kitfox Series 5, (912S, Warpdrive 3 blade)
Byron Airport (C83), Hangar C8
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net>
I want to change the bungees on my Series 5 and will order the shock
cord from ACS.
I'm guessing it's 3/8 dia. and 20 ft. should be more than enough to do
the job. Does that sound right?
Allan & Nancy Arthur, N40AA
Kitfox Series 5, (912S, Warpdrive 3 blade)
Byron Airport (C83), Hangar C8
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Jerry Liles [wliles@bayou.com]
>> I then used nylon cord as whipping cord and ran a series of half
>> hitches
>> around the two pieces for about 1.5inches, tied the end off tight and
>> coated the whippings with rubber cement.
>
> I haven't yet replace my bungees, Jerry, and I didn't dare to mention
> this on the list, but when I'll do, I'll sureley do as you say. Or
> rather, as I did, all my life, with bungees on my sailboats. The only
> difference is that I use sailcloth waxed whipping thread and that I go
> through the bungee with a needle at the start and the end of the
> whipping. All my bungee whipping has survived many gales and around
> the clock exposure to the elements.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> My empty CG is just over 8 inches.
Ok, that's interesting, Kurt. But I have found out that - anyway - I'll have to
move the battery and that for one good reason: My 4 Amps battery is way to weak
to swing the Jab. Needed a larger battery, I'll need a new place to put it, and
since the firewall is not that a spacious place, it will have to go behind the
seats.
I had a long chat today with a Norwegian who as a model IV with Jabiru and he
also had to move his battery when he went from the 582.
Thanks again everyone for you help, I'll now follow the yellow brick road on my
way to a new 10 amps battery! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> Currently, my KF II has exclusively the tank in front of the panel. It sounds
like
> this will become a weight and balance problem with the Jabiru 2200. What do
you
> think?
I think it will, Jose. The Jabiru is not that much heavier than the 582 but its
CoG is more forward. I don't know if you'll need a new battery in Puerto Rico,
but I'll need one in Norway. Think about it when you prepare your work.
> I was told that the Jabiru 2200 weight is very close to the 582. Is it that
what
> you found once you completed the installation?
Yes, I have about ten pounds more. I say, about, because I am not sure exactly
how much fuel I had last year in the wing tanks. I know that when they look
empty, they are not really.
> Did you fix the oil cooler/cowling issue?
Yes, but not without having to cut the cowling. It's a bit difficult to explain
here but photos will follow.
This morning I fired the engine ... only to find out that the throttle was
connected the wrong way! It went past 2,000 RMP at once and I had to cut it
immediately, my tail started lifting! A good thing I was careful and tied down
strongly before starting the engine. I had very little time but tomorrow, I'll
go back and test again. When you connect your throttle wire, Jose, remember
that it is the opposite of the 582, you push the cable to increase throttle.
The spring on the carb is to keep the throttle open is the cable snaps, not
close, as I thought.
The engine is really great and easy to install. The documentation could be better.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Shock Cord ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
I have a set of shock cords for a -5....Ya want em?
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Arthur" <alnan@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Shock Cord ?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net>
>
> I want to change the bungees on my Series 5 and will order the shock
> cord from ACS.
>
> I'm guessing it's 3/8 dia. and 20 ft. should be more than enough to do
> the job. Does that sound right?
>
> Allan & Nancy Arthur, N40AA
> Kitfox Series 5, (912S, Warpdrive 3 blade)
> Byron Airport (C83), Hangar C8
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> >> From: Jerry Liles [wliles@bayou.com]
> >> I then used nylon cord as whipping cord and ran a series of half
> >> hitches
> >> around the two pieces for about 1.5inches, tied the end off tight and
> >> coated the whippings with rubber cement.
> >
> > I haven't yet replace my bungees, Jerry, and I didn't dare to mention
> > this on the list, but when I'll do, I'll sureley do as you say. Or
> > rather, as I did, all my life, with bungees on my sailboats. The only
> > difference is that I use sailcloth waxed whipping thread and that I go
> > through the bungee with a needle at the start and the end of the
> > whipping. All my bungee whipping has survived many gales and around
> > the clock exposure to the elements.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | stall speed calculations |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
For us heavy hauler model 5s and others, just wondering if someone has a
formula to re-calculate established stall speeds based on exceeding gross
weights. Yes yes I know. But any 5 with full fuel and two normal people is
over gross, just are. Can anyone help?
Rick
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| Subject: | tuned exhaust pipe lengths |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Does the exhaust pipe on a turbocharged engine have to tuned to a best
length as in non-turbo engines. Something tells me no but would like to make
sure.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: tuned exhaust pipe lengths |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Rick,
My understanding is that turbo'd engines are much more
pressure sensitive and not so pulse sensitive as
normally asperated engines. A tuned pipe wouldn't
have nearly as much an effect on a turbo'd engine, so
the theory goes. Reducing restrictions comes first.
The tuning would only help very little, IMHO.
I did send my new crossover back to remove a blockage
on the left side. The left exhaust pipe was welded on
to a much smaller hole in the crossover and it was
restrictive. If I didn't fix that, I bet my EGT's
would have been different!
I also didn't install the fat and heavy muffler. It
doesn't sound too loud out a straight, unrestricted
pipe, though I did install some SS screen wrapped on
the pipe walls for noise reduction.
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> Does the exhaust pipe on a turbocharged engine have
> to tuned to a best length as in non-turbo engines.
> Something tells me no but would like to make sure.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: stall speed calculations |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
I'll take a stab at this one too.
The stall speed vs weight changes by the square of the
speed. See if I can think this one thru....
Say your plane stalls at 40 mph clean at 1000 lbs,
just for round numbers. 40 squared is 1600.
If you want to know the speed it should stall at when
weighing a different weight (1320 lbs for example) you
divide the unknown weight by the known. 1320/1000 1.32
Now multiply the 1600 (known speed squared) by the
1.32 and you get 2112.
Take the square root of that number to find the speed.
= 45.9 mph
Do the same with each weight you need to make a graph
of weight vs speeds. Then test for reality of course.
It should be close flaps up or down as long as you
always compare to the same flap settings.
Does that make sense?
Now what is a normal person??? :-)
I can carry two 200 lb people, full fuel and about 50
lbs to spare in cargo with my -5 at 1550 gross.
Still I registered it to 1750 lbs per the FAA's
recomendation to save my license and insurance
coverage if I am ever over that. He said to cover it
to any weight I migh fly at and never really go over.
Then I am covered on the all important paperwork. For
what that is worth...
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
> For us heavy hauler model 5s and others, just
> wondering if someone has a formula to re-calculate
> established stall speeds based on exceeding gross
> weights. Yes yes I know. But any 5 with full fuel
> and two normal people is over gross, just are.
> Can anyone help?
>
> Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Just to let the list know, I'll be out of town until
Monday. My father did die today and I'll be with
family until then.
Guess he'll get to ride in my KitFox now.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
I currently have a 17 amp battery behind the passenger seat. The one I got with
the Jabiru "package"is about the same size and weight. I intend to leave it
in the current position.
I don't have the current weight and balance information with me at this time, but
I can tell you that I need to apply forward pressure in the stick to keep the
airplane flying straight and level at 65 mph. This means that a little more
weight in the front could probably be beneficial. I won't be able to tell for
sure until I do the weight and balance with the Jabiru. If the current tank
position creates a weight and balance problem, I will need to do the engine
flight testing using a provisional gas tank in the passenger's seat (like Michel
Gordillo in his historic flight, but only 5 gallons for short flights). I
will be able to fix that shortly, during the "recovering" phase.
Thanks for your advise on the carburator and the throttle wire.
I certainly agree that the engine installation manual could be better. I would
expect more illustrations.
I have an "assignment" for you for your first flight: To identify the increase
in crusing speed. I wonder if I will be able to keep this engine cool in the
hot and humid Puerto Rico if the cruising speed is under 80 mph.
Looking forward for more pictures of your project...
Saludos!
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> Currently, my KF II has exclusively the tank in front of the panel. It sounds
like
> this will become a weight and balance problem with the Jabiru 2200. What do you
> think?
I think it will, Jose. The Jabiru is not that much heavier than the 582 but its
CoG is more forward. I don't know if you'll need a new battery in Puerto Rico,
but I'll need one in Norway. Think about it when you prepare your work.
> I was told that the Jabiru 2200 weight is very close to the 582. Is it that what
> you found once you completed the installation?
Yes, I have about ten pounds more. I say, about, because I am not sure exactly
how much fuel I had last year in the wing tanks. I know that when they look
empty, they are not really.
> Did you fix the oil cooler/cowling issue?
Yes, but not without having to cut the cowling. It's a bit difficult to explain
here but photos will follow.
This morning I fired the engine ... only to find out that the throttle was
connected the wrong way! It went past 2,000 RMP at once and I had to cut it
immediately, my tail started lifting! A good thing I was careful and tied down
strongly before starting the engine. I had very little time but tomorrow, I'll
go back and test again. When you connect your throttle wire, Jose, remember
that it is the opposite of the 582, you push the cable to increase throttle.
The spring on the carb is to keep the throttle open is the cable snaps, not
close, as I thought.
The engine is really great and easy to install. The documentation could be better.
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Awesome.... i guess i'm in the right hospitable place.
Where are you from??
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
>spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took
us to dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
>
>John Kerr
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
>>
>>BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
>>SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
>>
>>Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
>>
>>kurt schrader wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>>>
>>>Hey Jareds,
>>>
>>>40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
>>>the place!
>>>
>>>It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
>>>the list and plays with KitFox's.
>>>
>>>Kurt S.
>>>
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>--- jareds wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
>>>>space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
>>>>
>>>>Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us
to dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
>
>John Kerr
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>
>
> BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
> SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
>
> Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM>
>
> Hey Jareds,
>
> 40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
> the place!
>
> It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
> the list and plays with KitFox's.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
> space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
>
> Jared
>
>
> cs.com/search
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shock Cord ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi Howard,
How old are they? I will be replacing mine at the end of this flying season
and will be needing another set. What do you want for them?
( Will they match my door panels? ;-)
Jeff Smathers Molalla, Or.
Howard Firm wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> I have a set of shock cords for a -5....Ya want em?
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan Arthur" <alnan@earthlink.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Shock Cord ?
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I want to change the bungees on my Series 5 and will order the shock
> > cord from ACS.
> >
> > I'm guessing it's 3/8 dia. and 20 ft. should be more than enough to do
> > the job. Does that sound right?
> >
> > Allan & Nancy Arthur, N40AA
> > Kitfox Series 5, (912S, Warpdrive 3 blade)
> > Byron Airport (C83), Hangar C8
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> > >
> > >> From: Jerry Liles [wliles@bayou.com]
> > >> I then used nylon cord as whipping cord and ran a series of half
> > >> hitches
> > >> around the two pieces for about 1.5inches, tied the end off tight and
> > >> coated the whippings with rubber cement.
> > >
> > > I haven't yet replace my bungees, Jerry, and I didn't dare to mention
> > > this on the list, but when I'll do, I'll sureley do as you say. Or
> > > rather, as I did, all my life, with bungees on my sailboats. The only
> > > difference is that I use sailcloth waxed whipping thread and that I go
> > > through the bungee with a needle at the start and the end of the
> > > whipping. All my bungee whipping has survived many gales and around
> > > the clock exposure to the elements.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Kurk,
I am so sorry. My father left some time ago. My heart goes out to you and
yours.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Out of town
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Just to let the list know, I'll be out of town until
Monday. My father did die today and I'll be with
family until then.
Guess he'll get to ride in my KitFox now.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
MY thoughts and prayers are with you and the family .
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
-------Original Message-------
From: kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Out of town
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo
com>
Just to let the list know, I'll be out of town until
Monday. My father did die today and I'll be with
family until then.
Guess he'll get to ride in my KitFox now.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Hey guys what do you think of a continental 90 horse for a 92 Speedster
model 4? I know it is heavy, but plenty of power to make it fly. I know
where to purchase an overhauled one without logs, but want some input
first. Thanx Ron
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
My regards, lost my father last June
do not achieve
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Out of town
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Just to let the list know, I'll be out of town until
> Monday. My father did die today and I'll be with
> family until then.
>
> Guess he'll get to ride in my KitFox now.
>
> Kurt S.
>
>
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