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1. 02:49 AM - Re: c-90 power (Lyle Persels)
2. 02:50 AM - Re: c-90 power (Jose M. Toro)
3. 02:52 AM - Doors (kitfox@simnet.is)
4. 03:22 AM - Re: Out of town (Fox5flyer)
5. 03:28 AM - Re: Doors (Jose M. Toro)
6. 04:42 AM - Jabiru rules!!!! WAS: Weight and balance (Michel Verheughe)
7. 04:59 AM - Wiring the battery (Michel Verheughe)
8. 05:23 AM - Re: Jabiru rules!!!! WAS: Weight and balance (Jose M. Toro)
9. 05:26 AM - Re: Wiring the battery (Jose M. Toro)
10. 05:37 AM - Re: Doors (David Savener)
11. 06:02 AM - Re: Doors (Dee Young)
12. 06:11 AM - Jabiru inlet (Michel Verheughe)
13. 07:04 AM - Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
14. 07:49 AM - Re: c-90 power (roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick))
15. 08:55 AM - Re: Wiring the battery (Steve Cooper)
16. 09:04 AM - Re: Doors (Lynn Matteson)
17. 09:17 AM - Re: Wiring the battery (Ben Baltrusaitis)
18. 09:24 AM - Re: Out of town (Michael Gibbs)
19. 10:16 AM - Re: Wiring the battery (Jim Gilliatt)
20. 11:52 AM - Electrical question (New one)
21. 12:58 PM - Re: Doors (Paul Peerenboom)
22. 12:58 PM - Re: Electrical question (Ted Palamarek)
23. 01:29 PM - Re: Doors (Gunn, Michael (Space Technology))
24. 02:43 PM - Re: Out of town (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
25. 02:57 PM - Load factor at Va (Michel Verheughe)
26. 03:27 PM - Re: Electrical question (John Perry)
27. 03:36 PM - Re: Electrical question (Steve Cooper)
28. 04:21 PM - Re: Mobil 1 MX4T oil ? (John Banes)
29. 06:10 PM - Re: stall speed calculations (Randy Daughenbaugh)
30. 06:12 PM - Re: Doors (Glenn Horne)
31. 07:31 PM - Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 (jimshumaker)
32. 07:47 PM - Re: Doors (jimshumaker)
33. 07:48 PM - Battery box (jimshumaker)
34. 08:43 PM - Re: stall speed calculations (Rick)
35. 10:43 PM - Kreem fuel tanks - alternate product? (Gregg)
36. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Ron,
A good friend of mine finished exactly that installation last fall--an
overhauled Continental 90 on a Speedster. It looks very good and is
signed off, but it hasn't flown yet, because of the winter weather here
in Iowa. This engine replaced a VW Magnum. The combination ran and flew
beautifully, but was a bit underpowered.
He'd be glad to discuss his experience with you. You can email him at
dcully@cecnet.net.
Lyle Persels
Ron Schick wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
>
>Hey guys what do you think of a continental 90 horse for a 92 Speedster
>model 4? I know it is heavy, but plenty of power to make it fly. I know
>where to purchase an overhauled one without logs, but want some input
>first. Thanx Ron
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Ron:
Do you know the actual weight of the C-90? It would be a good idea to compare
the complete installation weight with the Subaru engine's installation, which
is typically used in the Model IV. Remember to add the cooling system weight
to the Subaru.
Jose
Ron Schick <roncarolnikko@webtv.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Hey guys what do you think of a continental 90 horse for a 92 Speedster
model 4? I know it is heavy, but plenty of power to make it fly. I know
where to purchase an overhauled one without logs, but want some input
first. Thanx Ron
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
Hello Kitfox people
I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not have any
device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking picturs through
the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise nice photo ending up not
so good.
Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a gas-strut
do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to place it?, on
the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in use.
If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out of the
"not so big" front windscreen?.
And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it creat
any problems?.
I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living in Iceland
there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures for long off
door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to close the cabin
and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on longer flights.
Regards, Thor
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My condolences Kurt. Be safe.
Deke
> Just to let the list know, I'll be out of town until
> Monday. My father did die today and I'll be with
> family until then.
>
> Guess he'll get to ride in my KitFox now.
>
> Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Thor:
I also have a Kitfox II, and always fly it with the doors open. It is hot and
humid here in Puerto Rico. I installed a strut kit that bought from Skystar.
Before that, I flew for a while with doors removed. The instructions provided
were for installing it front of the door. The effect on visibility is negligible.
Now, I use for replacement gas struts bought at Pep Boys.
The effect in performance is a little decrease in airspeed. Other than that, the
flying characteristics are not affected.
When you make your installation, make sure the doors don't touch the wing when
open.
Jose
kitfox@simnet.is wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
Hello Kitfox people
I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not have any
device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking picturs through
the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise nice photo ending up not
so good.
Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a gas-strut
do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to place it?, on
the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in use.
If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out of the
"not so big" front windscreen?.
And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it creat
any problems?.
I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living in Iceland
there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures for long off
door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to close the cabin
and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on longer flights.
Regards, Thor
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Jabiru rules!!!! WAS: Weight and balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Wow, Jose! I just taxied a bit with my new Jab and ... it's wonderful! All
instruments are on the green, the engine runs smoooooth ... I was told by the
dealer not to go under 1,000 RPM but even at 800, it is very, very smooth and
... it sounds like a plane! :-)
One thing, though: even at 1,000 RPM, I have to apply a bit of the brakes not
to gain too much speed. But Rex told me that in a private email. If I give a
bit of throttle, that baby wants to fly! It feels like a lot of power. We'll
see how it behaves in the air later, though.
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> I currently have a 17 amp battery behind the passenger seat.
Yep, I was completely wrong with my estimate. Although the Jabiru manual says
10A, the Norwegian dealer says that I should have a 20 to 25 A battery. So, I
went to buy a Varta 24 A battery that - I hope - will fit behind the seat. I
measured the bracket and ... it might fit. We'll see tomorrow. But I don't
think I'll ba able to have a box, unless I mould it myself. Hum ... even more
epoxy work! Rats!!! :-)
> If the current tank position creates a weight and balance problem, I will need
to do
> the engine flight testing using a provisional gas tank in the passenger's seat
I understand, Jose. You also have a big job ahead with your wings.
> Thanks for your advise on the carburator and the throttle wire.
Here was my phone conversation, this morning, with the Norwegian Jabiru dealer:
- "You were right, Paul, my throttle was connected the wrong way around."
- "I told you so!"
- "I thought that the spring was to pull the throttle close, in case of wire rupture."
- "No! All planes have the throttle full open if the wire breaks!"
- "Er, not the Rotax 582!"
- "Yeah, but that's a lawn mower engine! The Jabiru is an aircraft engine!"
... Ok, his saying, guys! Don't throw stones at me! :-)
> I certainly agree that the engine installation manual could be better.
> I would expect more illustrations.
Did you download the PDF documents from US Jabiru? Good installation stuff, there.
> I have an "assignment" for you for your first flight: To identify the increase
in
> crusing speed. I wonder if I will be able to keep this engine cool in the hot
and humid Puerto Rico if the cruising speed is under 80 mph.
You will, of course, get a full report of the first flight performances, Jose.
I don't know about the heat of Puerto Rico. Remember that the Jab is an Aussie
engine and it can get quite hot down under, isn't it, Rex? :-)
In any case, my understanding is that you need to have a large cowl outlet,
four times the inlet. That's the big box I have under. Maybe oversized now, but
it is easier to cut a bit than to glue on a bit, isn't it? :-)
Saludos y suerte con tu projecto, Jose!
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Wiring the battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I forgot to ask: when I wire the battery behind the seat, do I need a wire for
the earth of can I use the frame?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru rules!!!! WAS: Weight and balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
Thanks for the technical and moral support.
Since I will be using the Skyfox cowling, the cowling outlet is "built in".
How did you attached the carburator inlet to the cowling?
My battery case is stainless steel, and is attached with four brackets to the tubes
behind the seat. I bought it from Aircraft Spruce.
Saludos!
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Wow, Jose! I just taxied a bit with my new Jab and ... it's wonderful! All
instruments are on the green, the engine runs smoooooth ... I was told by the
dealer not to go under 1,000 RPM but even at 800, it is very, very smooth and
... it sounds like a plane! :-)
One thing, though: even at 1,000 RPM, I have to apply a bit of the brakes not
to gain too much speed. But Rex told me that in a private email. If I give a
bit of throttle, that baby wants to fly! It feels like a lot of power. We'll
see how it behaves in the air later, though.
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> I currently have a 17 amp battery behind the passenger seat.
Yep, I was completely wrong with my estimate. Although the Jabiru manual says
10A, the Norwegian dealer says that I should have a 20 to 25 A battery. So, I
went to buy a Varta 24 A battery that - I hope - will fit behind the seat. I
measured the bracket and ... it might fit. We'll see tomorrow. But I don't
think I'll ba able to have a box, unless I mould it myself. Hum ... even more
epoxy work! Rats!!! :-)
> If the current tank position creates a weight and balance problem, I will need
to do
> the engine flight testing using a provisional gas tank in the passenger's seat
I understand, Jose. You also have a big job ahead with your wings.
> Thanks for your advise on the carburator and the throttle wire.
Here was my phone conversation, this morning, with the Norwegian Jabiru dealer:
- "You were right, Paul, my throttle was connected the wrong way around."
- "I told you so!"
- "I thought that the spring was to pull the throttle close, in case of wire rupture."
- "No! All planes have the throttle full open if the wire breaks!"
- "Er, not the Rotax 582!"
- "Yeah, but that's a lawn mower engine! The Jabiru is an aircraft engine!"
... Ok, his saying, guys! Don't throw stones at me! :-)
> I certainly agree that the engine installation manual could be better.
> I would expect more illustrations.
Did you download the PDF documents from US Jabiru? Good installation stuff, there.
> I have an "assignment" for you for your first flight: To identify the increase
in
> crusing speed. I wonder if I will be able to keep this engine cool in the hot
and humid Puerto Rico if the cruising speed is under 80 mph.
You will, of course, get a full report of the first flight performances, Jose.
I don't know about the heat of Puerto Rico. Remember that the Jab is an Aussie
engine and it can get quite hot down under, isn't it, Rex? :-)
In any case, my understanding is that you need to have a large cowl outlet,
four times the inlet. That's the big box I have under. Maybe oversized now, but
it is easier to cut a bit than to glue on a bit, isn't it? :-)
Saludos y suerte con tu projecto, Jose!
Michel
do not archive
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring the battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
If I remember correctly, mine is grounded to the frame, attached to the seatbelt
bolt. I can double check and confirm this.
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
Verheughe
I forgot to ask: when I wire the battery behind the seat, do I need a wire for
the earth of can I use the frame?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:35:07 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I have a Kitfox II. The previous owner modified the windows in the doors so that
they are open with the door closed. He flared the window outward along the
front side of the opening which cuts down on drafts and noise. I planned to
"fix" them but have found that I like them better just the way they are.
I could send email pics if a few are interested, or upload pics if needed.
Dave Savener
----- Original Message -----
From: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
Hello Kitfox people
I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not have any
device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking picturs through
the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise nice photo ending up
not so good.
Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a gas-strut
do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to place it?, on
the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in use.
If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out of the
"not so big" front windscreen?.
And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it creat
any problems?.
I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living in Iceland
there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures for long
off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to close the cabin
and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on longer flights.
Regards, Thor
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Post some photos or if your sending them out I would be interested, thanks
Dee
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>From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:35:07 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
>I have a Kitfox II. The previous owner modified the windows in the doors
>so that they are open with the door closed. He flared the window outward
>along the front side of the opening which cuts down on drafts and noise. I
>planned to "fix" them but have found that I like them better just the way
>they are.
>
>I could send email pics if a few are interested, or upload pics if needed.
>
>Dave Savener
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
>kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
>
> Hello Kitfox people
>
> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not
>have any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking
>picturs through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise nice
>photo ending up not so good.
>
> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
>gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to
>place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in use.
> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out
>of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it
>creat any problems?.
> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living
>in Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures
>for long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to
>close the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on
>longer flights.
>
> Regards, Thor
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> How did you attached the carburator inlet to the cowling?
I made my own NACA scoop that leads the air via a SCAT duct to the airbox, Jose.
Here is a photo when building:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/NacaScoop.jpg
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: SD Relocation: Anyone in the area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
3 of us took about 15 hours flight time each way to go from Utah to OSH in '99.
it was a great cross-country. the layover was a pain but now only adds to the
tale of our trip. "Building memories".
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
>
> Awesome.... i guess i'm in the right hospitable place.
>
> Where are you from??
>
> kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> >spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
> The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
> out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us to
> dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
> >
> >John Kerr
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
> >>
> >>BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
> >>SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
> >>
> >>Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
> >>
> >>kurt schrader wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> >>>
> >>>Hey Jareds,
> >>>
> >>>40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
> >>>the place!
> >>>
> >>>It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
> >>>the list and plays with KitFox's.
> >>>
> >>>Kurt S.
> >>>
> >>>Do not archive
> >>>
> >>>--- jareds wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
> >>>>space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
> >>>>
> >>>>Jared
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
> The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
> out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us to
> dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
> >
> >John Kerr
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
> >
> > BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
> > SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
> >
> > Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
> >
> > kurt schrader wrote:
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> >
> > Hey Jareds,
> >
> > 40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
> > the place!
> >
> > It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
> > the list and plays with KitFox's.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > --- jareds wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
> > space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
> >
> > Jared
> >
> >
> > cs.com/search
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
3 of us took about 15 hours flight time each way to go from Utah to OSH in '99.
it was a great cross-country. the layover was a pain but now only adds to the
tale of our trip. "Building memories".
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>
Awesome.... i guess i'm in the right hospitable place.
Where are you from??
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us to
dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List messa
ge posted by: jareds
BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
kurt schrader wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Hey Jareds,
40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
the place!
It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
the list and plays with KitFox's.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- jareds wrote:
>
;
I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
Jared
spent 4 days waiting out a slow moving storm in Mitchell coming home from OSH.
The FBO there was the most accommocating I've been to. They moved their planes
out to get our three Kitfoxes in out of the storm. Loaned us a car, took us to
dinner,etc. No tickets to the Corn Palace thought.
John Kerr
-----
--------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>
BROKE with a capitol B but don't mind using the family pastures to land!!
SD is nothing but one large landing strip anyway.
Land is cheap if you like cows!!haaa
kurt schrader wrote:
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM>
Hey Jareds,
40,000 acres? You'd have to refuel before you leave
the place!
It's nice to at least know someone who is rich is on
the list and plays with KitFox's.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- jareds <JAREDS@VERIZON.NET>wrote:
>
;
I've got 40,000 acres of landing strip and lots of
space in the hangers if ya wanna visit! haa
Jared
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04:48:14 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: roncarolnikko@webtv.net (Ron Schick)
Lyle thanks for the name. I remembered an earlier response that
mentioned it but forgot who it was. I'm not sure if it will be cost
effective, but for night flying over mountain terrain it sure is
appealing. Ron
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| Subject: | Wiring the battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I initially used the frame and I found it to be unsatisfactory. You'd think
it would work great but It didn't. I ran a separate #4 all the way up to the
engine block.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wiring the battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I forgot to ask: when I wire the battery behind the seat, do I need a wire
for
the earth of can I use the frame?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Me too, David. I'm "winging it" today (rib lacing the newly covered
right wing), but the door latches are next on the list. : )
Lynn
On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 09:01 AM, Dee Young wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>
> Post some photos or if your sending them out I would be interested,
> thanks
>
> Dee
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>> From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>> Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
>> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:35:07 -0600
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
>> <david_savener@msn.com>
>>
>> I have a Kitfox II. The previous owner modified the windows in the
>> doors
>> so that they are open with the door closed. He flared the window
>> outward
>> along the front side of the opening which cuts down on drafts and
>> noise. I
>> planned to "fix" them but have found that I like them better just the
>> way
>> they are.
>>
>> I could send email pics if a few are interested, or upload pics if
>> needed.
>>
>> Dave Savener
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
>> kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
>>
>> Hello Kitfox people
>>
>> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do
>> not
>> have any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking
>> picturs through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in
>> othervise nice
>> photo ending up not so good.
>>
>> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of
>> a
>> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best
>> to
>> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions
>> in use.
>> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with
>> visability out
>> of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
>> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors,
>> does it
>> creat any problems?.
>> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and
>> living
>> in Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have
>> tempratures
>> for long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able
>> to
>> close the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on
>> longer flights.
>>
>> Regards, Thor
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring the battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Steve, did you have a ground strap from the engine to the frame when you had the
battery grounded to the frame?
Thanks!
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Cooper
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wiring the battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I initially used the frame and I found it to be unsatisfactory. You'd think
it would work great but It didn't. I ran a separate #4 all the way up to the
engine block.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wiring the battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I forgot to ask: when I wire the battery behind the seat, do I need a wire
for
the earth of can I use the frame?
Thanks in advance,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Kurt,
I'm very sorry to hear about your father passing, you have my sincere
condolences.
> Guess he'll get to ride in my KitFox now.
My father and I started building our Kitfox together and he passed
away before it was completed. I know that he was with me on every
flight.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring the battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Steve,
How much weight did that add?
Thanks,
Jim Gilliatt
Steve Cooper wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>I initially used the frame and I found it to be unsatisfactory. You'd think
>it would work great but It didn't. I ran a separate #4 all the way up to the
>engine block.
>
>Steve Cooper
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
>Verheughe
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wiring the battery
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>I forgot to ask: when I wire the battery behind the seat, do I need a wire
>for
>the earth of can I use the frame?
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Electrical question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
Greeting list,
We have a model IV 1200 with a rotax 912ul. We have added strobes, landing
and taxi lights, hardwired GPS, stereo intercomm. I think we are running out
of juice. The EFIS shows it is drawing 11.7 volts, which may not be enough
to charge the battery. The battery is discharging and needs to be recharged
regularly. We do not have an alternator and would rather not spend eight
hundred dollars on one. What should we do? Bigger regulator/rectifier?
Anyone with help would be greatly appriciated.
Larry Austin
N997LG
Ft Worth Texas
p.s. Any Kitfoxers in the DFW metroplex want to go to SEP for BBQ soon???
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
I have flown with my doors open a number of times.Two things to watch for.
Wing tank drains if you have wing tanks, the second is landing. I believe
that the inboard wing air flow is not smooth and stall speed is higher. Most
landing I did with both doors open were ok. but it did surprise me once at a
good 4ft plus.
Paul Model IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Thor:
>
> I also have a Kitfox II, and always fly it with the doors open. It is hot
> and humid here in Puerto Rico. I installed a strut kit that bought from
> Skystar. Before that, I flew for a while with doors removed. The
> instructions provided were for installing it front of the door. The
> effect on visibility is negligible. Now, I use for replacement gas struts
> bought at Pep Boys.
>
> The effect in performance is a little decrease in airspeed. Other than
> that, the flying characteristics are not affected.
>
> When you make your installation, make sure the doors don't touch the wing
> when open.
>
> Jose
>
> kitfox@simnet.is wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
>
> Hello Kitfox people
>
> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not have
> any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking picturs
> through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise nice photo
> ending up not so good.
>
> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to
> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in
> use.
> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out
> of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it
> creat any problems?.
> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living in
> Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures for
> long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to close
> the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on longer
> flights.
>
> Regards, Thor
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Electrical question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Larry
I'm a little confused by your statement "it is drawing 11.7
volts". You cannot draw volts --- only amps. Do you mean it
is drawing 11.7 amps or is the voltage indicating 11.7
volts. If your system is indicating 11.7Volts --- it is not
surprising that your battery is dead. While the engine is
running you should see somewhere between 13.5 and 14.6 volts
depending on the state of your battery and the load on the
system when you make the measurement. My maintenance manual
indicates that at 5000 RPM the alternator should be putting
out approx 20 amps, 3000 RPM, 15 amps. So it seems that the
max output from the alternator would be 12x20 = 240 watts.
Possibly your system is demanding more that you alternator
can handle. Shut some of the systems down --- does your
voltage/current increase?? If not then perhaps your
regulator is gone or your stator. Have you done a load test
on your battery?? You may have a dead cell pulling your
battery down. Check some of these to get an idea of where
the problem is.
Hope this helps --- off skiing for a few days
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton Ab
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Electrical question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one"
<Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
Greeting list,
We have a model IV 1200 with a rotax 912ul. We have added
strobes, landing
and taxi lights, hardwired GPS, stereo intercomm. I think we
are running out
of juice. The EFIS shows it is drawing 11.7 volts, which may
not be enough
to charge the battery. The battery is discharging and needs
to be recharged
regularly. We do not have an alternator and would rather not
spend eight
hundred dollars on one. What should we do? Bigger
regulator/rectifier?
Anyone with help would be greatly appriciated.
Larry Austin
N997LG
Ft Worth Texas
p.s. Any Kitfoxers in the DFW metroplex want to go to SEP
for BBQ soon???
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gunn, Michael (Space Technology)" <michael.gunn@ngc.com>
And it goes without saying, make sure everything in the cabin is secure. I once
saw a Kitfox lose some interior kick panels at about 500 feet over the desert.
And should something come loose and start flying around inside, don't panic...continue
to fly the plane.
Mike N5291R
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
I have flown with my doors open a number of times.Two things to watch for.
Wing tank drains if you have wing tanks, the second is landing. I believe
that the inboard wing air flow is not smooth and stall speed is higher. Most
landing I did with both doors open were ok. but it did surprise me once at a
good 4ft plus.
Paul Model IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Thor:
>
> I also have a Kitfox II, and always fly it with the doors open. It is hot
> and humid here in Puerto Rico. I installed a strut kit that bought from
> Skystar. Before that, I flew for a while with doors removed. The
> instructions provided were for installing it front of the door. The
> effect on visibility is negligible. Now, I use for replacement gas struts
> bought at Pep Boys.
>
> The effect in performance is a little decrease in airspeed. Other than
> that, the flying characteristics are not affected.
>
> When you make your installation, make sure the doors don't touch the wing
> when open.
>
> Jose
>
> kitfox@simnet.is wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
>
> Hello Kitfox people
>
> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not have
> any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking picturs
> through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise nice photo
> ending up not so good.
>
> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to
> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in
> use.
> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out
> of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it
> creat any problems?.
> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living in
> Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures for
> long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to close
> the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on longer
> flights.
>
> Regards, Thor
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Kurt,
I am very sorry to hear the news. Please know that my thoughts are with you
and your family. I too lost my dear old dad before he could fly my Fox.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Load factor at Va |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Just a question, friends: preparing the "Test flight report" for my new Jabiru,
I enter a lot of data. At one place, I am asked: "Limiting load factor at Va."
I have no idea what it is. Va on my model 3 is 70 MHP. I know what Va is and
its purpose. But what is the "limiting load factor?"
I can leave it blank and wait to ask the inspector but ... I'd appreciate if
you can help me to look not so ignorant! :-)
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Volts do not meen squat . You need to add up how many amps all your stuff is
drawing and figure line loss and then see how much you are lacking in
amperage to charge the battery . I am running a 582 with stock charging
system and running full panel nav lights strobes beacon and landing and taxi
light 12 volt blower for heater and hardwired for acc. and also charge the
battery and have no problems .
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
-------Original Message-------
From: New one
Subject: Kitfox-List: Electrical question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
Greeting list,
We have a model IV 1200 with a rotax 912ul. We have added strobes, landing
and taxi lights, hardwired GPS, stereo intercomm. I think we are running out
of juice. The EFIS shows it is drawing 11.7 volts, which may not be enough
to charge the battery. The battery is discharging and needs to be recharged
regularly. We do not have an alternator and would rather not spend eight
hundred dollars on one. What should we do? Bigger regulator/rectifier?
Anyone with help would be greatly appriciated.
Larry Austin
N997LG
Ft Worth Texas
p.s. Any Kitfoxers in the DFW metroplex want to go to SEP for BBQ soon???
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| Subject: | Electrical question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Yep! Rotax did a nice job when thef designed the alternator for the lighting
and generator circuits for their 2 strokers.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Perry
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Electrical question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Volts do not meen squat . You need to add up how many amps all your stuff is
drawing and figure line loss and then see how much you are lacking in
amperage to charge the battery . I am running a 582 with stock charging
system and running full panel nav lights strobes beacon and landing and taxi
light 12 volt blower for heater and hardwired for acc. and also charge the
battery and have no problems .
John Perry
eskflyer@pld.com
-------Original Message-------
From: New one
Subject: Kitfox-List: Electrical question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: " New one" <Larryandjo@wiacomm.net>
Greeting list,
We have a model IV 1200 with a rotax 912ul. We have added strobes, landing
and taxi lights, hardwired GPS, stereo intercomm. I think we are running out
of juice. The EFIS shows it is drawing 11.7 volts, which may not be enough
to charge the battery. The battery is discharging and needs to be recharged
regularly. We do not have an alternator and would rather not spend eight
hundred dollars on one. What should we do? Bigger regulator/rectifier?
Anyone with help would be greatly appriciated.
Larry Austin
N997LG
Ft Worth Texas
p.s. Any Kitfoxers in the DFW metroplex want to go to SEP for BBQ soon???
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| Subject: | Mobil 1 MX4T oil ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" <JohnBanes@Adelphia.net>
In Pittsburgh, PA it's available from Advance Auto Parts (part # 8026541) @
$7.97 per quart plus tax.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan Arthur
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mobil 1 MX4T oil ?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net>
Does anyone know where I can get Mobil 1 MX4T 10W40 oil in the San
Francisco / Bay Area and how much costs?
Allan & Nancy Arthur, N40AA
Kitfox Series 5, (912S, Warpdrive 3 blade)
Byron Airport (C83), Hangar C8
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| Subject: | stall speed calculations |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Rick,
Pardon me, but I can't help responding. In my 5 with spring gear, I can
have full fuel and still have room for a 324 lb person. I weigh 200 lbs.
Randy - Series 5 - 912S
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Kitfox-List: stall speed calculations
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
For us heavy hauler model 5s and others, just wondering if someone has a
formula to re-calculate established stall speeds based on exceeding gross
weights. Yes yes I know. But any 5 with full fuel and two normal people is
over gross, just are. Can anyone help?
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Thor,
Go down to Advance Auto and get you two gas struts # 4420. I used them on my
Fox Model II.
They work great. You will have to make a couple of bracket's for each side.
The balls
to mount the gas strut to I got from NAPA Auto. Hope this helps.
Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va Model II
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From: <kitfox@simnet.is>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox@simnet.is
>
> Hello Kitfox people
>
> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not
> have any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking
> picturs through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise
> nice photo ending up not so good.
>
> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to
> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in
> use.
> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability out
> of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does it
> creat any problems?.
> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living in
> Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures for
> long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to close
> the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on longer
> flights.
>
> Regards, Thor
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Micheal,
The Kitfox III W&B must be done with the pilot in the airplane....unless you
plan on solo skydiving from your plane. No other configuration is valid for
flight planning.
We do have a world famous Acrobatic pilot in our area who has stepped out
his Pitts when it would not recover from a spin. Then watched it recover
and fly away.
Jim Shumaker
PS fuel moves the CG aft.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Thor
I fly with my model III door open. To take pictures, just slow down and the
doors open up on their own. Or you can skid the plane a little to raise a
door. Flying just above stall keeps them up high enough that I had to put a
restrictor string to keep them from bouncing against the underside of the
wing.
Jim Shumaker
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
If you have an RGB battery then no box is needed. There is no battery acid
to spill.
Jim Shumaker
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| Subject: | stall speed calculations |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I have the earlier 1400 gross.
empty weight appx 950
fuel 29 gal 175
me 210
pass 200
baggage 20
gross 1535
minus pass 200
adj. gross 1335
So my passenger has to weigh in at 65 pounds or go out with 10 gallons of
fuel and have to take a 180 pounds person. I have the power just trying to
figure out what the adjusted safe maneuvering speed will be along with
correct stall speeds.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: stall speed calculations
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Rick,
Pardon me, but I can't help responding. In my 5 with spring gear, I can
have full fuel and still have room for a 324 lb person. I weigh 200 lbs.
Randy - Series 5 - 912S
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Kitfox-List: stall speed calculations
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
For us heavy hauler model 5s and others, just wondering if someone has a
formula to re-calculate established stall speeds based on exceeding gross
weights. Yes yes I know. But any 5 with full fuel and two normal people is
over gross, just are. Can anyone help?
Rick
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| Subject: | Kreem fuel tanks - alternate product? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gregg" <fly3gkf@comcast.net>
My tanks are peeling on the inside so I need to cleanup and redo. Read back
through the recent thread on Kreem-ing the tanks. I have seen another gas
tank sealer from Bill Hirsch Automotive that claims it is good with
fiberglass, alcohol fuels and used in aircraft. It appears to be sold by A
Spruce as well. Anyone have any experience with this product?
http://www.hirschauto.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?
<http://www.hirschauto.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=27&Product_ID=6&CATID=3>
&DID=27&Product_ID=6&CATID=3
Gregg Waligroski
N121AW Model IV/912
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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