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1. 03:11 AM - Re: Doors (dwight purdy)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Doors (Jim Burke)
3. 05:37 AM - SV: Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 (Michel Verheughe)
4. 05:48 AM - Re: Doors (Fox5flyer)
5. 02:32 PM - Battery and CoG (Michel Verheughe)
6. 03:06 PM - Re: Battery and CoG (Steve Cooper)
7. 03:22 PM - Re: Battery and CoG (Fred Weaver)
8. 05:42 PM - Re: Battery and CoG (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:52 PM - AOA (Rick)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I would like to see them.
Dwight model ll
At 07:35 AM 2/1/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
>I have a Kitfox II. The previous owner modified the windows in the doors
>so that they are open with the door closed. He flared the window outward
>along the front side of the opening which cuts down on drafts and
>noise. I planned to "fix" them but have found that I like them better
>just the way they are.
>
>I could send email pics if a few are interested, or upload pics if needed.
>
>Dave Savener
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
>
> Hello Kitfox people
>
> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not
> have any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking
> picturs through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise
> nice photo ending up not so good.
>
> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to
> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in use.
> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability
> out of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does
> it creat any problems?.
> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living
> in Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures
> for long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to
> close the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on
> longer flights.
>
> Regards, Thor
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
The upload option would be a good choice, So all could see.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dwight purdy" <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
>
> I would like to see them.
>
> Dwight model ll
>
>
> At 07:35 AM 2/1/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>>
>>I have a Kitfox II. The previous owner modified the windows in the doors
>>so that they are open with the door closed. He flared the window outward
>>along the front side of the opening which cuts down on drafts and
>>noise. I planned to "fix" them but have found that I like them better
>>just the way they are.
>>
>>I could send email pics if a few are interested, or upload pics if needed.
>>
>>Dave Savener
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
>> kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
>>
>> Hello Kitfox people
>>
>> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do not
>> have any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking
>> picturs through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise
>> nice photo ending up not so good.
>>
>> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
>> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best to
>> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in
>> use.
>> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability
>> out of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
>> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does
>> it creat any problems?.
>> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and living
>> in Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have tempratures
>> for long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able to
>> close the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on
>> longer flights.
>>
>> Regards, Thor
>>
>>
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>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Weight and balance - Jabiru/KF3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> The Kitfox III W&B must be done with the pilot in the airplane....unless you
> plan on solo skydiving from your plane.
I understand that, Jim. I also know that e.g. a Piper Cub is flown from the back
seat and that passenger weight is important in a tandem seat plane.
But I thought that the Kitfox designers had manage to get both the wing tanks and
pilot/passenger CG so close to the designed total CG that it didn't matter.
I was proved wrong and I stand now corrected.
Regarding the battery, yes, mine will have acid and I guess a box is safer then.
I just have to find a way to fit the box in the little place I have back the
seats.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Just go to www.sportflight.com click on Uploads and follow prompts. Lots of
stuff in there to browse through.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Burke" <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
> The upload option would be a good choice, So all could see.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dwight purdy" <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Doors
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> >
> >
> > I would like to see them.
> >
> > Dwight model ll
> >
> >
> > At 07:35 AM 2/1/2005 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
<david_savener@msn.com>
> >>
> >>I have a Kitfox II. The previous owner modified the windows in the
doors
> >>so that they are open with the door closed. He flared the window
outward
> >>along the front side of the opening which cuts down on drafts and
> >>noise. I planned to "fix" them but have found that I like them better
> >>just the way they are.
> >>
> >>I could send email pics if a few are interested, or upload pics if
needed.
> >>
> >>Dave Savener
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:52 AM
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Doors
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> >> kitfox@simnet.is<mailto:kitfox@simnet.is>
> >>
> >> Hello Kitfox people
> >>
> >> I have a Kitfox II and I take a lot of pictures when flying. I do
not
> >> have any device to hold the doors open and therfore I am always taking
> >> picturs through the lexan, and ofcours that results often in othervise
> >> nice photo ending up not so good.
> >>
> >> Is it ok to fly the KF with the doors open?, and if so what kind of a
> >> gas-strut do yo people use to keep the door open and where is it best
to
> >> place it?, on the front or aft doorpost?. I have seen both versions in
> >> use.
> >> If it is put on the front post does it not interfear with visability
> >> out of the "not so big" front windscreen?.
> >> And how about wind inside the plain when flying with open doors, does
> >> it creat any problems?.
> >> I thought of just takeing the doors off but snich I am flyng and
living
> >> in Iceland there are not that many days in the year that have
tempratures
> >> for long off door flying trips, I think it would be better to be able
to
> >> close the cabin and turn on the heater when one gets cold, specialy on
> >> longer flights.
> >>
> >> Regards, Thor
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> >>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I am sorry, guys, but I got this completely wrong. Maybe it is all that fumes
from the epoxy moulding going to my brain! :-)
I wrote that I had a 4 Amp battery and that Jabiru recommended a 10 Amps.
That's wrong. I have a 12 Amps battery now and Jabiru recommend a 20 Amps. My
Norwegian dealer says: 20 to 25 Amps in our climate.
So, I got a 24 Amps battery that I thought would fit behind the seat, in a
bracket that was there from the time the plane had an ELT. But the battery is
half an inch too high to come between the tubes. So, I was wondering:
Can I keep my existing 12 Amps battery on the firewall and connect in parallel
another one of say the same capacity, behind the seat? Of course, it won't move
the CoG as far aft as if I had only one battery but from what you wrote, my CoG
is not too bad as it is.
Also: two batteries in parallel will sum up, won't it?
BTW, if you had to have your CoG not in the center, would you rather have it
aft or fore of it? I understand that an aft CoG is a tendency to spin. How
about ground loop? Does a more forward CoG helps preventing it?
The thing is: if fuel, pilot and passenger moves the CoG aft, then before, I
had mine maybe outside the limit. Yet, I didn't managed to land my tailwheel
first until I had gap-sealed the elevator. Hum, am I a bad pilot?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hey Michael...the battery deal for the Jabiru can be sort of picky. The Jab
has a fair amount of compression and initial starting when cold can be a
pain in the azz. I'm running an Odyssey PC625 dry cell. It can be mounted
upside down if you need it to be. The cranking amps are HUGE for an 11 pound
battery. Check it out. Mine works beautifully. I also initially used two
batteries...what a pain! Look here:
www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery and CoG
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I am sorry, guys, but I got this completely wrong. Maybe it is all that
fumes
from the epoxy moulding going to my brain! :-)
I wrote that I had a 4 Amp battery and that Jabiru recommended a 10 Amps.
That's wrong. I have a 12 Amps battery now and Jabiru recommend a 20 Amps.
My
Norwegian dealer says: 20 to 25 Amps in our climate.
So, I got a 24 Amps battery that I thought would fit behind the seat, in a
bracket that was there from the time the plane had an ELT. But the battery
is
half an inch too high to come between the tubes. So, I was wondering:
Can I keep my existing 12 Amps battery on the firewall and connect in
parallel
another one of say the same capacity, behind the seat? Of course, it won't
move
the CoG as far aft as if I had only one battery but from what you wrote, my
CoG
is not too bad as it is.
Also: two batteries in parallel will sum up, won't it?
BTW, if you had to have your CoG not in the center, would you rather have it
aft or fore of it? I understand that an aft CoG is a tendency to spin. How
about ground loop? Does a more forward CoG helps preventing it?
The thing is: if fuel, pilot and passenger moves the CoG aft, then before, I
had mine maybe outside the limit. Yet, I didn't managed to land my tailwheel
first until I had gap-sealed the elevator. Hum, am I a bad pilot?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Battery and CoG |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
I second Steve here..... The Odysee battery cranks Lycomings with ease.....
It will surely crank the Jabiru with authority. And Michel, you can lay it
on it's side or any way you want....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery and CoG
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Michael...the battery deal for the Jabiru can be sort of picky. The
Jab
> has a fair amount of compression and initial starting when cold can be a
> pain in the azz. I'm running an Odyssey PC625 dry cell. It can be mounted
> upside down if you need it to be. The cranking amps are HUGE for an 11
pound
> battery. Check it out. Mine works beautifully. I also initially used two
> batteries...what a pain! Look here:
>
> www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm
>
> Steve Cooper
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
> Verheughe
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery and CoG
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> I am sorry, guys, but I got this completely wrong. Maybe it is all that
> fumes
> from the epoxy moulding going to my brain! :-)
>
> I wrote that I had a 4 Amp battery and that Jabiru recommended a 10 Amps.
> That's wrong. I have a 12 Amps battery now and Jabiru recommend a 20 Amps.
> My
> Norwegian dealer says: 20 to 25 Amps in our climate.
>
> So, I got a 24 Amps battery that I thought would fit behind the seat, in a
> bracket that was there from the time the plane had an ELT. But the battery
> is
> half an inch too high to come between the tubes. So, I was wondering:
> Can I keep my existing 12 Amps battery on the firewall and connect in
> parallel
> another one of say the same capacity, behind the seat? Of course, it won't
> move
> the CoG as far aft as if I had only one battery but from what you wrote,
my
> CoG
> is not too bad as it is.
> Also: two batteries in parallel will sum up, won't it?
> BTW, if you had to have your CoG not in the center, would you rather have
it
> aft or fore of it? I understand that an aft CoG is a tendency to spin. How
> about ground loop? Does a more forward CoG helps preventing it?
> The thing is: if fuel, pilot and passenger moves the CoG aft, then before,
I
> had mine maybe outside the limit. Yet, I didn't managed to land my
tailwheel
> first until I had gap-sealed the elevator. Hum, am I a bad pilot?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery and CoG |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Michel,
As I recall, when Bub knuchols (sp) from the AeroElectrics Connection - now
hosting the AeroElectrics list on matronics - was discussing this issue, he
mentioned that a large - read high amperhour battery - is for reserve power
in the case of alternator failure. It has little to do with cranking.
Unless of course you feel that you will be cranking for a long time. An
engine that starts readily, will draw a lot of amps for a short time, but
will not significantly encroach on the 14 amperehour battery's reserve.
He mentioned that in some cases, a large battery has sufficient internal
resistance that "cranking amps" can be lower than with a smaller battery.
' Don't know if this is helpful, but the others that are using a smaller
battery than have been recommended might have just the info you are looking
for.
Following with interest,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery and CoG
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> I am sorry, guys, but I got this completely wrong. Maybe it is all that
> fumes
> from the epoxy moulding going to my brain! :-)
>
> I wrote that I had a 4 Amp battery and that Jabiru recommended a 10 Amps.
> That's wrong. I have a 12 Amps battery now and Jabiru recommend a 20 Amps.
> My
> Norwegian dealer says: 20 to 25 Amps in our climate.
>
> So, I got a 24 Amps battery that I thought would fit behind the seat, in a
> bracket that was there from the time the plane had an ELT. But the battery
> is
> half an inch too high to come between the tubes. So, I was wondering:
> Can I keep my existing 12 Amps battery on the firewall and connect in
> parallel
> another one of say the same capacity, behind the seat? Of course, it won't
> move
> the CoG as far aft as if I had only one battery but from what you wrote,
> my CoG
> is not too bad as it is.
> Also: two batteries in parallel will sum up, won't it?
> BTW, if you had to have your CoG not in the center, would you rather have
> it
> aft or fore of it? I understand that an aft CoG is a tendency to spin. How
> about ground loop? Does a more forward CoG helps preventing it?
> The thing is: if fuel, pilot and passenger moves the CoG aft, then before,
> I
> had mine maybe outside the limit. Yet, I didn't managed to land my
> tailwheel
> first until I had gap-sealed the elevator. Hum, am I a bad pilot?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Well I think I have finally decided to install an AOA angle of attack
indicator. Not sure which one yet. They range from very simple and
inexpensive to very complex and costly. I would appreciate some input from
those that have flow them in our real, little planes. I would especially be
interested in what angles were determined for best lift/glide, stall and so
on. I am a little fuzzy there.
Rick
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