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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Wing folding (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (Ray Kurian)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Wing folding (John Perry)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: Wing folding (John Perry)
8. 09:27 AM - Subaru (Roberto Canino)
9. 10:26 AM - Wing folding (Fox5flyer)
10. 10:49 AM - Re: Subaru (kitfoxjunky)
11. 11:17 AM - Wing folding (Kerry Skyring)
12. 11:46 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier)
13. 11:47 AM - Re: Subaru (Steve Zakreski)
14. 11:51 AM - Re: Subaru (Roberto Canino)
15. 11:59 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier)
16. 12:18 PM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (kirk hull)
17. 12:23 PM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (kirk hull)
18. 12:30 PM - Re: Subaru (kirk hull)
19. 12:41 PM - Re: Subaru ... Correction on my last (kitfoxjunky)
20. 01:15 PM - UMA Fuel ressure auge (Vic Jacko)
21. 03:53 PM - Re: AOA (John King)
22. 05:08 PM - Re: Wing folding (John Perry)
23. 06:06 PM - Kitplanes Article (Clem Nichols)
24. 08:40 PM - Re: Kitplanes Article (Don Pearsall)
25. 10:32 PM - Re: Subaru (Kaufjm@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/3/05 10:29:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com
writes:
<< I was wondering if I might fabricate some vented caps with looong vertical
tubes; long enough that the ends would be higher than the tank and
therefore the fuel wouldn't run out. Do you think the caps would leak
anyway? Or would the resulting tank pressure force fuel out elsewhere? I
hate the thought of de-fueling every flight, as I intend to keep the
aircraft in a trailer with the wings folded.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>>
Guy,
Unless you went to a better sealed cap, I "think" they would tend to
leak. The little spring catches on that type cap tend to weaken over time and
the
seal is reduced. At least, that would be my guess. One of mine leaked
before I went to the recessed caps.
For draining tanks. I installed a 3/4" polyurethane line at the side
outlet of the header (the one intended for a low fuel sensor). Ran the line to
the bottom of the plane through a 1/4 turn valve (3/4"). Placed a standard
hose fitting on the bottom that stick through the fabric. I keep a tethered hose
cap on the fitting so I have two valve protection against leaks.
When you back the plane up on the trailer, hook up a short line from the
fitting to fuel tanks imbedded into the trailer. It will empty the tanks
while you're preparing to fold the wings. Install a 12VDC fuel pump in the
trailer for reversing the fueling process. Might get a little expensive for the
pump but should be a good setup.
I never did get the trailer and finish the idea but have used the drain
several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is always sucking fuel out my
bottom port to put in his Comanche mule.
Don Smythe
N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitlog pro???? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Where did you find Kitlog Pro?
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian"
> <raykurian@earthlink.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to
> use as
> a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms
> built in
> for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building!
>
> Ray Kurian
> raykurian@earthlink.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "kitfox mail list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro????
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull"
>> <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ?
>>
>> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received
>> a
>> free
>> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next
>> meeting
>> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality
>> product.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitlog pro???? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ray Kurian <raykurian@earthlink.net>
Go to
http://www.kitlog.com/
There website is currently being worked on, but I know they had a trial version
you can download. You can include photos with captions in the log as well.
Ray Kurian
raykurian@earthlink.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro????
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Where did you find Kitlog Pro?
Lynn
do not archive
On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian"
> <raykurian@earthlink.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to
> use as
> a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms
> built in
> for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building!
>
> Ray Kurian
> raykurian@earthlink.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "kitfox mail list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro????
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull"
>> <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ?
>>
>> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received
>> a
>> free
>> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next
>> meeting
>> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality
>> product.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
I would not fold the wings without removing the fuel . They weight on the
back spar attach point would be disaterous in my opinion . It is recommended
by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL.
You cant try it but ill never fly in that airplane .
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
John,
Why do you feel that 96 lbs max (full 12 gallon tank)
would have an affect on the attach points?
I don't think I'd want to fly a kitfox that couldn't
support that kinda weight!!
--- Original Message ---
From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
<eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>I would not fold the wings without removing the
fuel . They weight on the
>back spar attach point would be disaterous in my
opinion . It is recommended
>by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL.
>
> You cant try it but ill never fly in that
airplane .
>
>John Perry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
There shouldn't be a problem with even half-tanks
leaking when the wings are folded with the tail on
the ground. I don't think I've ever flown mine with
completely full tanks anyway. There's always
somewhere between a quarter and a half in my tanks
when I fold. The caps don't seal that great and with
full tanks it'll slosh out when maneuvering.
--- Original Message ---
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 2/3/05 10:29:31 PM Pacific
Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com
>writes:
>
><< I was wondering if I might fabricate some vented
caps with looong vertical
> tubes; long enough that the ends would be higher
than the tank and
> therefore the fuel wouldn't run out. Do you think
the caps would leak
> anyway? Or would the resulting tank pressure force
fuel out elsewhere? I
> hate the thought of de-fueling every flight, as I
intend to keep the
> aircraft in a trailer with the wings folded.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
> >>
>
>Guy,
> Unless you went to a better sealed cap,
I "think" they would tend to
>leak. The little spring catches on that type cap
tend to weaken over time and the
>seal is reduced. At least, that would be my guess.
One of mine leaked
>before I went to the recessed caps.
> For draining tanks. I installed a 3/4"
polyurethane line at the side
>outlet of the header (the one intended for a low
fuel sensor). Ran the line to
>the bottom of the plane through a 1/4 turn valve
(3/4"). Placed a standard
>hose fitting on the bottom that stick through the
fabric. I keep a tethered hose
>cap on the fitting so I have two valve protection
against leaks.
> When you back the plane up on the trailer, hook
up a short line from the
>fitting to fuel tanks imbedded into the trailer. It
will empty the tanks
>while you're preparing to fold the wings. Install a
12VDC fuel pump in the
>trailer for reversing the fueling process. Might
get a little expensive for the
>pump but should be a good setup.
> I never did get the trailer and finish the idea
but have used the drain
>several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is
always sucking fuel out my
>bottom port to put in his Comanche mule.
>
>Don Smythe
>N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
When you hang a weight on the end of a arm that is not designed to hold the
weight in that fashion . It is not good when the wings are in flying mode
the bolts and the struts hold the weight of the wing up and is designed to
hold the wing on the airframe till flight presses the wing into the the top
mounts in flight . when you hang the weight of the fuel on the back bolt you
risk bending the mount and also shearing the bolt . It was designed to be
folded empty PERIOD. you can do what you want to though its your life and
your plane.
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: flier
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
John,
Why do you feel that 96 lbs max (full 12 gallon tank)
would have an affect on the attach points?
I don't think I'd want to fly a kitfox that couldn't
support that kinda weight!!
--- Original Message ---
From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
<eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>I would not fold the wings without removing the
fuel . They weight on the
>back spar attach point would be disaterous in my
opinion . It is recommended
>by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL.
>
> You cant try it but ill never fly in that
airplane .
>
>John Perry
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
Steve,
My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru, is
that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft
conversion? What informed your decision? The 4
stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an
alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US !
I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a
Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet to
fly it.
Thanks,
B
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Agreed. Sitting static the airplane structure is designed to handle gobs
more weight than that on the spar pins regardless weather wings are open or
closed. A few gallons of gas in each wing is trivial, IMO. If that few lbs
of gas would be enough to cause problems then I'd be very concerned about
what the airplane could handle in heavy turbulence. As far as I know, no
Kitfox has lost a wing yet. For transport though I'd drain the gas because
of the bouncing around.
Deke
>
> John,
>
> Why do you feel that 96 lbs max (full 12 gallon tank)
> would have an affect on the attach points?
>
> I don't think I'd want to fly a kitfox that couldn't
> support that kinda weight!!
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
> <eskflyer@pld.com>
> >
> >I would not fold the wings without removing the
> fuel . They weight on the
> >back spar attach point would be disaterous in my
> opinion . It is recommended
> >by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL.
> >
> > You cant try it but ill never fly in that
> airplane .
> >
> >John Perry
> >
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01:47:45 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/04/2005 01:47:45 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
If you want a new Rotax, then yeah the prices are up there.
I have seen a few Rotax 912 engines available. I know of one that had been
recently overhauled, and was being sold by the Rotax repair shop that did
the overhaul up here in the great white north. It was a 96 model, and
after a year finally sold for $ 9000 Canadian. There is a 1994 912 for
sale on Barnstormers. The same engineer has looked at it, and says it is a
good deal at $ 8500 US. It needs the stator done..which would cost another
$ 10000.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Mike, Don, Ted, Deke and others who have replied. Thanks very much. You have
cleared it up really well. Ted special thanks for the pics. And for others
who have begun the debate on fuel in the tanks, we really do intend to keep
the level down to one quarter before folding. Hopefully though we can find a
spot in a hangar where we don't have to fold. We're currently in the
workshop and have to occupy an area which is as small as possible. I will
get back to the owner and get him to check all of the kit for the wing
hold-back struts. I'm just the builders helper.
All the best.
Kerry
S5 912ULS Vienna.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
No prob Kerry. Don't sweat the folding, it's a
cinch. I've folded mine since '96 and have pulled
all the bolts every couple of annuals and have never
found anything more than the cad plate worn off.
It's a pretty darn good design all around.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
<kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Mike, Don, Ted, Deke and others who have replied.
Thanks very much. You have
>cleared it up really well. Ted special thanks for
the pics. And for others
>who have begun the debate on fuel in the tanks, we
really do intend to keep
>the level down to one quarter before folding.
Hopefully though we can find a
>spot in a hangar where we don't have to fold. We're
currently in the
>workshop and have to occupy an area which is as
small as possible. I will
>get back to the owner and get him to check all of
the kit for the wing
>hold-back struts. I'm just the builders helper.
>All the best.
>Kerry
>S5 912ULS Vienna.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
If I was doing it again, I wouldn't put the sube on the Kitfox IV. On the
5,6,7 absolutely, but not the IV with the 1200 lb GW. But...if you can get
a good deal on a NSI or Stratus, and flying at GW doesn't bother you (mine
flies great and it doesn't bother me) then go for it. I have the CAp prop
on mine. People with the sube without the CAP prop seem to be less happy
with the performance of their aircraft.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roberto
Canino
Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
Steve,
My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru, is
that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft
conversion? What informed your decision? The 4
stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an
alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US !
I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a
Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet to
fly it.
Thanks,
B
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
I'm not familiar with either the NSI or Stratus, who
makes them?
B
--- Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> If I was doing it again, I wouldn't put the sube on
> the Kitfox IV. On the
> 5,6,7 absolutely, but not the IV with the 1200 lb
> GW. But...if you can get
> a good deal on a NSI or Stratus, and flying at GW
> doesn't bother you (mine
> flies great and it doesn't bother me) then go for
> it. I have the CAp prop
> on mine. People with the sube without the CAP prop
> seem to be less happy
> with the performance of their aircraft.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Roberto
> Canino
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino
> <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru,
> is
> that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft
> conversion? What informed your decision? The 4
> stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an
> alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US !
> I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a
> Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet
> to
> fly it.
>
> Thanks,
> B
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Hey John,
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue with ya.
I agree it's not a great idea to transport the plane
with full tanks because the dynamic loads could be
quite high. On the other hand, the way that carry-
thru is engineered it would take a heck of a serious
loading to damage it. You'd basically have to bend
that carrythru or pull the bolt out of the end of the
rear spar. If you bend the carry-thru, you're going
to know it when you unfold the wing. Plus, that rear
carry-thru is designed to be in tension when in
flight anyway.
I do disagree on storing with full tanks. The rear
spar carry-thru and attachment should be fully
capable of sitting around forever with that much
weight without any damage at all.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry"
<eskflyer@pld.com>
>
>When you hang a weight on the end of a arm that is
not designed to hold the
>weight in that fashion . It is not good when the
wings are in flying mode
>the bolts and the struts hold the weight of the wing
up and is designed to
>hold the wing on the airframe till flight presses
the wing into the the top
>mounts in flight . when you hang the weight of the
fuel on the back bolt you
>risk bending the mount and also shearing the bolt .
It was designed to be
>folded empty PERIOD. you can do what you want to
though its your life and
>your plane.
>John Perry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
The VP of the company sent me an E-Mail out of the blue one day. I
responded to it and about 4 days later I had the certificate in hand. It
will be given away as a door prize on Jan 15th at the monthly EAA 612
meeting.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro????
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Where did you find Kitlog Pro?
Lynn
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On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian"
> <raykurian@earthlink.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to
> use as
> a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms
> built in
> for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building!
>
> Ray Kurian
> raykurian@earthlink.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "kitfox mail list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro????
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull"
>> <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ?
>>
>> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received
>> a
>> free
>> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next
>> meeting
>> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality
>> product.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
According to the cards that came with the cert their web address is
WWW.kitlog.com
and it is a $49.00 value.
Or you can just come to Roosterville airport (Zero November Zero)in liberty
MO. on tuesday Feb 15 at 7:00PM to try and win
Where did you find Kitlog Pro?
Lynn
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On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian"
> <raykurian@earthlink.net>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to
> use as
> a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms
> built in
> for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building!
>
> Ray Kurian
> raykurian@earthlink.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "kitfox mail list" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro????
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull"
>> <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ?
>>
>> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received
>> a
>> free
>> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next
>> meeting
>> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality
>> product.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I purchased A Stratus sub about a year ago for about $7000.00 US the kit was
very complete with everything needed to stert the engine including temp
guages and alt light. The engine runs great sounds good and the parts are
all wellbuilt. It hasnt flown yet ( getting ready to paint) but with 100hp
it should perform well even though it is a little heavy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roberto
Canino
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
I'm not familiar with either the NSI or Stratus, who
makes them?
B
--- Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski
> <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> If I was doing it again, I wouldn't put the sube on
> the Kitfox IV. On the
> 5,6,7 absolutely, but not the IV with the 1200 lb
> GW. But...if you can get
> a good deal on a NSI or Stratus, and flying at GW
> doesn't bother you (mine
> flies great and it doesn't bother me) then go for
> it. I have the CAp prop
> on mine. People with the sube without the CAP prop
> seem to be less happy
> with the performance of their aircraft.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Roberto
> Canino
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino
> <robertocannino@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru,
> is
> that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft
> conversion? What informed your decision? The 4
> stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an
> alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US !
> I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a
> Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet
> to
> fly it.
>
> Thanks,
> B
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Subaru ... Correction on my last |
03:39:19 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/04/2005 03:39:19 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
That should have been $ 1000 for the Stator AD and not $ 10000 as in the
email below that I sent earlier today. Got typing too fast.
GW
-------------------------
If you want a new Rotax, then yeah the prices are up there.
I have seen a few Rotax 912 engines available. I know of one that had been
recently overhauled, and was being sold by the Rotax repair shop that did
the overhaul up here in the great white north. It was a 96 model, and
after a year finally sold for $ 9000 Canadian. There is a 1994 912 for
sale on Barnstormers. The same engineer has looked at it, and says it is a
good deal at $ 8500 US. It needs the stator done..which would cost another
$ 10000.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | UMA Fuel ressure auge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Someone on the list wanted to locate a fuel pressure gauge that would have a full
scale reading of 5 psi. I found such a gauge in the Chief Aircraft catalog
part number UMA 3-102-50.
Vic
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Rick,
Yes, an airplane can stall at any airspeed and the heavier it is loaded
the stall speed increases. It will stall as a function of angle of
attack, not airspeed. However, you must first calibrate the AOA system
to the aircraft as it is configured.. I should have mentioned before
that the AOA calibration should be performed at the gross weight or at
the heaviest the aircraft will ever be flown. If you fly over grossed,
the AOA should be calibrated under those conditions to be safe. The
procedure for calibrating the RiteAngle III AOA system is to fly a
sequence of airspeeds all decreasing toward the pre established stall
speed at gross weight. Once calibrated the AOA system senses the angle
of attack and responds if the angle of attack is in the range
established during calibration. It only works on angle of attack and
not airspeed. The calibration procedure is also repeated for various
flap positions, gear down, etc. when such equipment is installed on the
aircraft. The system works and you might soon learn just how close to a
stall you can come when making a maneuver you frequently performed, like
that sharp left turn to final after overshooting the runway.
I am no expert on AOA systems, but I hope this helps you understand what
I was trying to say. One of my friends here at Warrenton has the
RiteAngle III system installed on his Glassair. He was flying IFR with
his wife on board when the visibility went to zero over mountains in
icing conditions. As the IAS went to zero he relied on the AOA to
maintain an adequate airspeed. He feels the AOA system saved his and
his wife's butt.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Rick wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>John,
>
>A bit confused. A normal state of mind for me lately. But I thought airspeed
>had noting to do with the stall AOA. I mean I know the plane has to be
>flying to stall, but I was told the stall always occurs at the same AOA
>regardless of speed. On the other hand I have also read a heavier plane will
>stall at a higher IAS than a light plane. Help me out here.
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AOA
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
>
>Rick,
>
>I have the RiteAngle III AOA system installed on my Series 6. You have
>to calibrate the system to your particular aircraft as configured.
>There are five panel mounted LED's that display aircraft attitude up to
>the time of stall (three green, one yellow and one red). It is up to
>you to establish the airspeed for the various LED's. I chose to
>calibrated mine so that the first Green LED comes on at an IAS of 60
>mph. The other four LED's are calibrated for lesser airspeeds as you
>approach stall. My Red LED comes on just prior to stall. I use this to
>set up my landing approach speeds around the pattern all the way to
>touch down . A good landing occurs when the Red LED comes on just
>before stall when my wheels are a couple inches from the runway. Oh
>yes, there is also a audio female voice in your head sets when the
>Yellow LED (Warning, Warning, Warning) and the Red LED (Stall, Stall,
>Stall) illuminates.
>
> You have the ability to make the various LED's come on at any desired
>airspeed, but they have to be a decreasing sequence of numbers. The
>actual numbers I chose for my system are now at the airport, so they are
>not now handy. If you want them please specify and I will get them for
>you. later
>
>--
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
heck lets all be friends and agree to disagree lol . Hmmm I think ill give
the factory a email and see what they say . then ill repost the answer .
take care all fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
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| Subject: | Kitplanes Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
The March issue of Kitplanes magazine has an article about the 13 Kitfox builders
in Idaho who started their joint building project in Decenber, 2001. I didn't
recognize any of the names as members of this group. I would think they would
be a wealth of information. Are any of you out there?
Clem Nichols
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| Subject: | Kitplanes Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Clem, I don't know about the 13 builders, but the author, John Larsen, has
been a long-time member of this group. Maybe you can ask him a question
directly.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clem Nichols
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitplanes Article
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
The March issue of Kitplanes magazine has an article about the 13 Kitfox
builders in Idaho who started their joint building project in Decenber,
2001. I didn't recognize any of the names as members of this group. I
would think they would be a wealth of information. Are any of you out
there?
Clem Nichols
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
I have a subaru for sale, It's FWF for a IV Kitfox. if interested email me at
kaufjm@aol.com or call at 563-332-9217 ask for Jon.
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