---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/04/05: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:42 AM - Re: Wing folding (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (Lynn Matteson) 3. 05:11 AM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (Ray Kurian) 4. 05:26 AM - Re: Wing folding (John Perry) 5. 06:14 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier) 6. 06:16 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: Wing folding (John Perry) 8. 09:27 AM - Subaru (Roberto Canino) 9. 10:26 AM - Wing folding (Fox5flyer) 10. 10:49 AM - Re: Subaru (kitfoxjunky) 11. 11:17 AM - Wing folding (Kerry Skyring) 12. 11:46 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier) 13. 11:47 AM - Re: Subaru (Steve Zakreski) 14. 11:51 AM - Re: Subaru (Roberto Canino) 15. 11:59 AM - Re: Wing folding (flier) 16. 12:18 PM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (kirk hull) 17. 12:23 PM - Re: Kitlog pro???? (kirk hull) 18. 12:30 PM - Re: Subaru (kirk hull) 19. 12:41 PM - Re: Subaru ... Correction on my last (kitfoxjunky) 20. 01:15 PM - UMA Fuel ressure auge (Vic Jacko) 21. 03:53 PM - Re: AOA (John King) 22. 05:08 PM - Re: Wing folding (John Perry) 23. 06:06 PM - Kitplanes Article (Clem Nichols) 24. 08:40 PM - Re: Kitplanes Article (Don Pearsall) 25. 10:32 PM - Re: Subaru (Kaufjm@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:47 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/3/05 10:29:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com writes: << I was wondering if I might fabricate some vented caps with looong vertical tubes; long enough that the ends would be higher than the tank and therefore the fuel wouldn't run out. Do you think the caps would leak anyway? Or would the resulting tank pressure force fuel out elsewhere? I hate the thought of de-fueling every flight, as I intend to keep the aircraft in a trailer with the wings folded. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. >> Guy, Unless you went to a better sealed cap, I "think" they would tend to leak. The little spring catches on that type cap tend to weaken over time and the seal is reduced. At least, that would be my guess. One of mine leaked before I went to the recessed caps. For draining tanks. I installed a 3/4" polyurethane line at the side outlet of the header (the one intended for a low fuel sensor). Ran the line to the bottom of the plane through a 1/4 turn valve (3/4"). Placed a standard hose fitting on the bottom that stick through the fabric. I keep a tethered hose cap on the fitting so I have two valve protection against leaks. When you back the plane up on the trailer, hook up a short line from the fitting to fuel tanks imbedded into the trailer. It will empty the tanks while you're preparing to fold the wings. Install a 12VDC fuel pump in the trailer for reversing the fueling process. Might get a little expensive for the pump but should be a good setup. I never did get the trailer and finish the idea but have used the drain several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is always sucking fuel out my bottom port to put in his Comanche mule. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Where did you find Kitlog Pro? Lynn do not archive On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" > > > Kirk, > > I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to > use as > a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms > built in > for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building! > > Ray Kurian > raykurian@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk hull" > To: "kitfox mail list" > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" >> >> >> >> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ? >> >> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received >> a >> free >> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next >> meeting >> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality >> product. >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:02 AM PST US From: Ray Kurian Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ray Kurian Go to http://www.kitlog.com/ There website is currently being worked on, but I know they had a trial version you can download. You can include photos with captions in the log as well. Ray Kurian raykurian@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Where did you find Kitlog Pro? Lynn do not archive On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" > > > Kirk, > > I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to > use as > a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms > built in > for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building! > > Ray Kurian > raykurian@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk hull" > To: "kitfox mail list" > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" >> >> >> >> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ? >> >> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received >> a >> free >> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next >> meeting >> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality >> product. >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:48 AM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" I would not fold the wings without removing the fuel . They weight on the back spar attach point would be disaterous in my opinion . It is recommended by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL. You cant try it but ill never fly in that airplane . John Perry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:05 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" John, Why do you feel that 96 lbs max (full 12 gallon tank) would have an affect on the attach points? I don't think I'd want to fly a kitfox that couldn't support that kinda weight!! --- Original Message --- From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > >I would not fold the wings without removing the fuel . They weight on the >back spar attach point would be disaterous in my opinion . It is recommended >by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL. > > You cant try it but ill never fly in that airplane . > >John Perry > > >_- ====================================================== =============== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== =============== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== =============== > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:20 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" There shouldn't be a problem with even half-tanks leaking when the wings are folded with the tail on the ground. I don't think I've ever flown mine with completely full tanks anyway. There's always somewhere between a quarter and a half in my tanks when I fold. The caps don't seal that great and with full tanks it'll slosh out when maneuvering. --- Original Message --- From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > >In a message dated 2/3/05 10:29:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, bnn@nethere.com >writes: > ><< I was wondering if I might fabricate some vented caps with looong vertical > tubes; long enough that the ends would be higher than the tank and > therefore the fuel wouldn't run out. Do you think the caps would leak > anyway? Or would the resulting tank pressure force fuel out elsewhere? I > hate the thought of de-fueling every flight, as I intend to keep the > aircraft in a trailer with the wings folded. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > >> > >Guy, > Unless you went to a better sealed cap, I "think" they would tend to >leak. The little spring catches on that type cap tend to weaken over time and the >seal is reduced. At least, that would be my guess. One of mine leaked >before I went to the recessed caps. > For draining tanks. I installed a 3/4" polyurethane line at the side >outlet of the header (the one intended for a low fuel sensor). Ran the line to >the bottom of the plane through a 1/4 turn valve (3/4"). Placed a standard >hose fitting on the bottom that stick through the fabric. I keep a tethered hose >cap on the fitting so I have two valve protection against leaks. > When you back the plane up on the trailer, hook up a short line from the >fitting to fuel tanks imbedded into the trailer. It will empty the tanks >while you're preparing to fold the wings. Install a 12VDC fuel pump in the >trailer for reversing the fueling process. Might get a little expensive for the >pump but should be a good setup. > I never did get the trailer and finish the idea but have used the drain >several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is always sucking fuel out my >bottom port to put in his Comanche mule. > >Don Smythe >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > >_- ====================================================== =============== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== =============== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== =============== > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:00 AM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" When you hang a weight on the end of a arm that is not designed to hold the weight in that fashion . It is not good when the wings are in flying mode the bolts and the struts hold the weight of the wing up and is designed to hold the wing on the airframe till flight presses the wing into the the top mounts in flight . when you hang the weight of the fuel on the back bolt you risk bending the mount and also shearing the bolt . It was designed to be folded empty PERIOD. you can do what you want to though its your life and your plane. John Perry -------Original Message------- From: flier Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" John, Why do you feel that 96 lbs max (full 12 gallon tank) would have an affect on the attach points? I don't think I'd want to fly a kitfox that couldn't support that kinda weight!! --- Original Message --- From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > >I would not fold the wings without removing the fuel . They weight on the >back spar attach point would be disaterous in my opinion . It is recommended >by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL. > > You cant try it but ill never fly in that airplane . > >John Perry > > Contributions any other Forums. http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:09 AM PST US From: Roberto Canino Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino Steve, My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru, is that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft conversion? What informed your decision? The 4 stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US ! I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet to fly it. Thanks, B __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:57 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Agreed. Sitting static the airplane structure is designed to handle gobs more weight than that on the spar pins regardless weather wings are open or closed. A few gallons of gas in each wing is trivial, IMO. If that few lbs of gas would be enough to cause problems then I'd be very concerned about what the airplane could handle in heavy turbulence. As far as I know, no Kitfox has lost a wing yet. For transport though I'd drain the gas because of the bouncing around. Deke > > John, > > Why do you feel that 96 lbs max (full 12 gallon tank) > would have an affect on the attach points? > > I don't think I'd want to fly a kitfox that couldn't > support that kinda weight!! > > > --- Original Message --- > From: "John Perry" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > > > > >I would not fold the wings without removing the > fuel . They weight on the > >back spar attach point would be disaterous in my > opinion . It is recommended > >by the factory to fold with them empty NOT FULL. > > > > You cant try it but ill never fly in that > airplane . > > > >John Perry > > > > > >_- > ====================================================== > =============== > Contributions > any other > Forums. > >_- > ====================================================== > =============== > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > list > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > >_- > ====================================================== > =============== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:30 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru 01:47:45 PM, Serialize complete at 02/04/2005 01:47:45 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky If you want a new Rotax, then yeah the prices are up there. I have seen a few Rotax 912 engines available. I know of one that had been recently overhauled, and was being sold by the Rotax repair shop that did the overhaul up here in the great white north. It was a 96 model, and after a year finally sold for $ 9000 Canadian. There is a 1994 912 for sale on Barnstormers. The same engineer has looked at it, and says it is a good deal at $ 8500 US. It needs the stator done..which would cost another $ 10000. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:47 AM PST US From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Mike, Don, Ted, Deke and others who have replied. Thanks very much. You have cleared it up really well. Ted special thanks for the pics. And for others who have begun the debate on fuel in the tanks, we really do intend to keep the level down to one quarter before folding. Hopefully though we can find a spot in a hangar where we don't have to fold. We're currently in the workshop and have to occupy an area which is as small as possible. I will get back to the owner and get him to check all of the kit for the wing hold-back struts. I'm just the builders helper. All the best. Kerry S5 912ULS Vienna. > > > > > >_- > > ====================================================== > > =============== > > Contributions > > any other > > Forums. > > >_- > > ====================================================== > > =============== > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > list > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > >_- > > ====================================================== > > =============== > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:19 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" No prob Kerry. Don't sweat the folding, it's a cinch. I've folded mine since '96 and have pulled all the bolts every couple of annuals and have never found anything more than the cad plate worn off. It's a pretty darn good design all around. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing folding >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" > > >Mike, Don, Ted, Deke and others who have replied. Thanks very much. You have >cleared it up really well. Ted special thanks for the pics. And for others >who have begun the debate on fuel in the tanks, we really do intend to keep >the level down to one quarter before folding. Hopefully though we can find a >spot in a hangar where we don't have to fold. We're currently in the >workshop and have to occupy an area which is as small as possible. I will >get back to the owner and get him to check all of the kit for the wing >hold-back struts. I'm just the builders helper. >All the best. >Kerry >S5 912ULS Vienna. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:01 AM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski If I was doing it again, I wouldn't put the sube on the Kitfox IV. On the 5,6,7 absolutely, but not the IV with the 1200 lb GW. But...if you can get a good deal on a NSI or Stratus, and flying at GW doesn't bother you (mine flies great and it doesn't bother me) then go for it. I have the CAp prop on mine. People with the sube without the CAP prop seem to be less happy with the performance of their aircraft. SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roberto Canino Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino Steve, My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru, is that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft conversion? What informed your decision? The 4 stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US ! I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet to fly it. Thanks, B __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:49 AM PST US From: Roberto Canino Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino I'm not familiar with either the NSI or Stratus, who makes them? B --- Steve Zakreski wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski > > > If I was doing it again, I wouldn't put the sube on > the Kitfox IV. On the > 5,6,7 absolutely, but not the IV with the 1200 lb > GW. But...if you can get > a good deal on a NSI or Stratus, and flying at GW > doesn't bother you (mine > flies great and it doesn't bother me) then go for > it. I have the CAp prop > on mine. People with the sube without the CAP prop > seem to be less happy > with the performance of their aircraft. > > SteveZ > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of Roberto > Canino > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino > > > Steve, > > My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru, > is > that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft > conversion? What informed your decision? The 4 > stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an > alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US ! > I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a > Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet > to > fly it. > > Thanks, > B > > > __________________________________ > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:22 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Hey John, Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue with ya. I agree it's not a great idea to transport the plane with full tanks because the dynamic loads could be quite high. On the other hand, the way that carry- thru is engineered it would take a heck of a serious loading to damage it. You'd basically have to bend that carrythru or pull the bolt out of the end of the rear spar. If you bend the carry-thru, you're going to know it when you unfold the wing. Plus, that rear carry-thru is designed to be in tension when in flight anyway. I do disagree on storing with full tanks. The rear spar carry-thru and attachment should be fully capable of sitting around forever with that much weight without any damage at all. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > >When you hang a weight on the end of a arm that is not designed to hold the >weight in that fashion . It is not good when the wings are in flying mode >the bolts and the struts hold the weight of the wing up and is designed to >hold the wing on the airframe till flight presses the wing into the the top >mounts in flight . when you hang the weight of the fuel on the back bolt you >risk bending the mount and also shearing the bolt . It was designed to be >folded empty PERIOD. you can do what you want to though its your life and >your plane. >John Perry ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:42 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" The VP of the company sent me an E-Mail out of the blue one day. I responded to it and about 4 days later I had the certificate in hand. It will be given away as a door prize on Jan 15th at the monthly EAA 612 meeting. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson Where did you find Kitlog Pro? Lynn do not archive On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" > > > Kirk, > > I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to > use as > a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms > built in > for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building! > > Ray Kurian > raykurian@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk hull" > To: "kitfox mail list" > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" >> >> >> >> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ? >> >> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received >> a >> free >> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next >> meeting >> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality >> product. >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:53 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" According to the cards that came with the cert their web address is WWW.kitlog.com and it is a $49.00 value. Or you can just come to Roosterville airport (Zero November Zero)in liberty MO. on tuesday Feb 15 at 7:00PM to try and win Where did you find Kitlog Pro? Lynn do not archive On Thursday, February 3, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Ray Kurian wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" > > > Kirk, > > I have been using it for a few years, and I really like it. Easy to > use as > a construction log, keeps track of what I've spent, has the forms > built in > for registration and everything. I'd recommend it to anyone building! > > Ray Kurian > raykurian@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk hull" > To: "kitfox mail list" > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitlog pro???? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" >> >> >> >> Is anybody fimaliar with a product called "Kitlog Pro" ? >> >> As The chapter president of EAA chapter 612 in Kansas City I received >> a >> free >> down load of this product to give away as a door prise at our next >> meeting >> and was just wondering exactly what it was and if it was a quality >> product. >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:12 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" I purchased A Stratus sub about a year ago for about $7000.00 US the kit was very complete with everything needed to stert the engine including temp guages and alt light. The engine runs great sounds good and the parts are all wellbuilt. It hasnt flown yet ( getting ready to paint) but with 100hp it should perform well even though it is a little heavy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roberto Canino Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino I'm not familiar with either the NSI or Stratus, who makes them? B --- Steve Zakreski wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski > > > If I was doing it again, I wouldn't put the sube on > the Kitfox IV. On the > 5,6,7 absolutely, but not the IV with the 1200 lb > GW. But...if you can get > a good deal on a NSI or Stratus, and flying at GW > doesn't bother you (mine > flies great and it doesn't bother me) then go for > it. I have the CAp prop > on mine. People with the sube without the CAP prop > seem to be less happy > with the performance of their aircraft. > > SteveZ > Calgary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of Roberto > Canino > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roberto Canino > > > Steve, > > My Rotax 582 is giving me fits. You fly a Subaru, > is > that correct? If so, did you do the aircraft > conversion? What informed your decision? The 4 > stroke Rotax are so expensive, I'd like to find an > alternative. The turbo Rotax is up to $24,000 US ! > I've recently corresponded with a gent who has put a > Continental 90hp (C-90) in a KitfoxIV, but has yet > to > fly it. > > Thanks, > B > > > __________________________________ > http://my.yahoo.com > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:26 PM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru ... Correction on my last 03:39:19 PM, Serialize complete at 02/04/2005 03:39:19 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky That should have been $ 1000 for the Stator AD and not $ 10000 as in the email below that I sent earlier today. Got typing too fast. GW ------------------------- If you want a new Rotax, then yeah the prices are up there. I have seen a few Rotax 912 engines available. I know of one that had been recently overhauled, and was being sold by the Rotax repair shop that did the overhaul up here in the great white north. It was a 96 model, and after a year finally sold for $ 9000 Canadian. There is a 1994 912 for sale on Barnstormers. The same engineer has looked at it, and says it is a good deal at $ 8500 US. It needs the stator done..which would cost another $ 10000. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:51 PM PST US From: "Vic Jacko" Subject: Kitfox-List: UMA Fuel ressure auge --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" Someone on the list wanted to locate a fuel pressure gauge that would have a full scale reading of 5 psi. I found such a gauge in the Chief Aircraft catalog part number UMA 3-102-50. Vic ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:29 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AOA --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Rick, Yes, an airplane can stall at any airspeed and the heavier it is loaded the stall speed increases. It will stall as a function of angle of attack, not airspeed. However, you must first calibrate the AOA system to the aircraft as it is configured.. I should have mentioned before that the AOA calibration should be performed at the gross weight or at the heaviest the aircraft will ever be flown. If you fly over grossed, the AOA should be calibrated under those conditions to be safe. The procedure for calibrating the RiteAngle III AOA system is to fly a sequence of airspeeds all decreasing toward the pre established stall speed at gross weight. Once calibrated the AOA system senses the angle of attack and responds if the angle of attack is in the range established during calibration. It only works on angle of attack and not airspeed. The calibration procedure is also repeated for various flap positions, gear down, etc. when such equipment is installed on the aircraft. The system works and you might soon learn just how close to a stall you can come when making a maneuver you frequently performed, like that sharp left turn to final after overshooting the runway. I am no expert on AOA systems, but I hope this helps you understand what I was trying to say. One of my friends here at Warrenton has the RiteAngle III system installed on his Glassair. He was flying IFR with his wife on board when the visibility went to zero over mountains in icing conditions. As the IAS went to zero he relied on the AOA to maintain an adequate airspeed. He feels the AOA system saved his and his wife's butt. -- John King Warrenton, VA Rick wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" > >John, > >A bit confused. A normal state of mind for me lately. But I thought airspeed >had noting to do with the stall AOA. I mean I know the plane has to be >flying to stall, but I was told the stall always occurs at the same AOA >regardless of speed. On the other hand I have also read a heavier plane will >stall at a higher IAS than a light plane. Help me out here. > >Rick > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AOA > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King > >Rick, > >I have the RiteAngle III AOA system installed on my Series 6. You have >to calibrate the system to your particular aircraft as configured. >There are five panel mounted LED's that display aircraft attitude up to >the time of stall (three green, one yellow and one red). It is up to >you to establish the airspeed for the various LED's. I chose to >calibrated mine so that the first Green LED comes on at an IAS of 60 >mph. The other four LED's are calibrated for lesser airspeeds as you >approach stall. My Red LED comes on just prior to stall. I use this to >set up my landing approach speeds around the pattern all the way to >touch down . A good landing occurs when the Red LED comes on just >before stall when my wheels are a couple inches from the runway. Oh >yes, there is also a audio female voice in your head sets when the >Yellow LED (Warning, Warning, Warning) and the Red LED (Stall, Stall, >Stall) illuminates. > > You have the ability to make the various LED's come on at any desired >airspeed, but they have to be a decreasing sequence of numbers. The >actual numbers I chose for my system are now at the airport, so they are >not now handy. If you want them please specify and I will get them for >you. later > >-- >John King >Warrenton, VA > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:36 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" heck lets all be friends and agree to disagree lol . Hmmm I think ill give the factory a email and see what they say . then ill repost the answer . take care all fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:32 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitplanes Article --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" The March issue of Kitplanes magazine has an article about the 13 Kitfox builders in Idaho who started their joint building project in Decenber, 2001. I didn't recognize any of the names as members of this group. I would think they would be a wealth of information. Are any of you out there? Clem Nichols Do Not Archive No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:38 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitplanes Article --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Clem, I don't know about the 13 builders, but the author, John Larsen, has been a long-time member of this group. Maybe you can ask him a question directly. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clem Nichols Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitplanes Article --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" The March issue of Kitplanes magazine has an article about the 13 Kitfox builders in Idaho who started their joint building project in Decenber, 2001. I didn't recognize any of the names as members of this group. I would think they would be a wealth of information. Are any of you out there? Clem Nichols Do Not Archive No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:01 PM PST US From: Kaufjm@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com I have a subaru for sale, It's FWF for a IV Kitfox. if interested email me at kaufjm@aol.com or call at 563-332-9217 ask for Jon.