Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Sat 02/05/05


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     1. 06:09 AM - Re: Wing folding  (Guy Buchanan)
     2. 06:19 AM - transponder and fabric (chris t gandy)
     3. 06:46 AM - Re: Wing folding  (Flier)
     4. 07:54 AM - Re: transponder and fabric (Flybradair@cs.com)
     5. 08:40 AM - Re: transponder and fabric (Lynn Matteson)
     6. 10:36 AM - Re: Wing folding  (Grant Fluent)
     7. 10:37 AM - [ Gary Algate ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
     8. 10:47 AM - Re: Subaru (Michael Gibbs)
     9. 11:56 AM - Re: Wing folding  (Guy Buchanan)
    10. 11:59 AM - Re: Wing folding  (Guy Buchanan)
    11. 12:37 PM - Re: any Kitfox-builders near Geneve? (Richard Hutson)
    12. 01:47 PM - Kitfox in S. Cal? (Steve Cooper)
    13. 02:11 PM - elevator push/pull rod (GONER752@aol.com)
    14. 03:02 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (Glenn Horne)
    15. 03:13 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    16. 03:35 PM - Re: Wing folding  (Clem Nichols)
    17. 04:01 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (Fox5flyer)
    18. 04:22 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    19. 05:24 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (Fox5flyer)
    20. 06:03 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (Bruce Harrington)
    21. 07:34 PM - Re: elevator push/pull rod (Jeff Smathers)
    22. 08:01 PM - Re: Kitfox in S. Cal? (Pete Sigrist)
    23. 08:17 PM - Re: Kitfox in S. Cal? (Steve Cooper)
    24. 08:18 PM - Re: Kitfox in S. Cal? (Steve Cooper)
    25. 10:16 PM - Re-United with N728KF (Michael Gibbs)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:09:06 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing folding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> Heavy sigh... Thanks Don. Not really what I wanted to hear, but a workable solution if I can't get the caps to work. I think I'll struggle with the caps for a little bit first, though. Maybe I can get / make some good caps that won't leak. As to the weight on the spar- no I'm not worried about 78# more pounds pulling down on aft spar when folded. (Yes I'm an engineer and can do the math if it really looks necessary. Maybe in some of my copious free time ;-) At 07:41 AM 2/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Guy, > Unless you went to a better sealed cap, I "think" they would tend to >leak. The little spring catches on that type cap tend to weaken over time >and the >... > I never did get the trailer and finish the idea but have used the drain >several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is always sucking fuel out my >bottom port to put in his Comanche mule. > >Don Smythe >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. Do not archive


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    Time: 06:19:53 AM PST US
    Subject: transponder and fabric
    From: chris t gandy <jusplanefun@juno.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: chris t gandy <jusplanefun@juno.com> Hi guys, my dad and I are building a series 5 Vixen and have been soaking up alot of great information from your list for about six months. We are getting close to covering, but before we do, we would like to add a transponder to our panel. We would like any suggestions on a brand or model ( I like the garmin 327). Also need some help about the antenna location and whether or not it requires a ground plane at the base. I also have a question about the point where the lift strut attaches to the leading edge of the wing. It appears that the hole for the bolt for that attachment will end up under the fabric once the wing is covered. Is there any problems with this or will this problem take care of itself? Thanks for any comments, and keep the wealth of information coming. Thanks, Chris -Vixen 912/S under construction


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    Time: 06:46:26 AM PST US
    From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Wing folding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net> Guy, If you start to experiment, keep in mind that fuel seeping across the covering can destroy your paint. Been there done that. Ended up recovering my port wing due to a fuel seep when I left my wing a little too full and it expanded due to the heat. It's a combination of temperature and time. Over about a day, when it's warm, fuel dripping over polyfiber, particularly with polytone, will bubble up and separate. Aerothane may resist better, but I wouldn't want to try it. If the tanks are full enough to get to the caps, you'll end up with full coming out the vents too due to expansion when it warms. Regards, Ted -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> Heavy sigh... Thanks Don. Not really what I wanted to hear, but a workable solution if I can't get the caps to work. I think I'll struggle with the caps for a little bit first, though. Maybe I can get / make some good caps that won't leak. As to the weight on the spar- no I'm not worried about 78# more pounds pulling down on aft spar when folded. (Yes I'm an engineer and can do the math if it really looks necessary. Maybe in some of my copious free time ;-) At 07:41 AM 2/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Guy, > Unless you went to a better sealed cap, I "think" they would tend to >leak. The little spring catches on that type cap tend to weaken over time >and the >... > I never did get the trailer and finish the idea but have used the drain >several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is always sucking fuel out my >bottom port to put in his Comanche mule. > >Don Smythe >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. Do not archive


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    Time: 07:54:08 AM PST US
    From: Flybradair@cs.com
    Subject: Re: transponder and fabric
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com Hi Chris, The transponder antenna location for the 5 is the flat metal plate on the bottom of the aircraft right behind the pilots butt. It comes welded to the airframe from the factory. I just drilled in a 1/2 inch hole before covering. After covering just cut out this hole with an exacta and mount the antenna. I bought a Narco ATT155 based on price only. It was the lowest price I could find for a transponder altitude encoder combination through ACS. As for the lift strut----mine ended up this way also. The fabric has to be pushed up to get the nut on the bolt and it rides on the fabric. Do not know what you could do to change this. The strut bracket that attaches to the spar is gonna end up where it is supposed to be regardless of the fabric. You will be putting in a metal reinforcing plate around this opening when you cover so the bolt should be riding on this instead of just fabric. Brad Martin Wichita 5 lyc N232WB (Trying to finish) In a message dated 2/5/05 8:20:30 AM Central Standard Time, jusplanefun@juno.com writes: > Subj: Kitfox-List: transponder and fabric > Date:2/5/05 8:20:30 AM Central Standard Time > From:jusplanefun@juno.com > Reply-to:kitfox-list@matronics.com > To:kitfox-list@matronics.com > Received from Internet: > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: chris t gandy <jusplanefun@juno.com> > > > Hi guys, my dad and I are building a series 5 Vixen and have been > soaking up alot of great information from your list for about six months. > We are getting close to covering, but before we do, we would like to add > a transponder to our panel. We would like any suggestions on a brand or > model ( I like the garmin 327). Also need some help about the antenna > location and whether or not it requires a ground plane at the base. > > > > > I also have a question about the point where the lift > strut attaches to the leading edge of the wing. It appears that the hole > for the bolt for that attachment will end up under the fabric once the > wing is covered. Is there any problems with this or will this problem > take care of itself? Thanks for any comments, and keep the wealth of > information coming. > > > > Thanks, Chris -Vixen 912/S under construction > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:40:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: transponder and fabric
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> I just finished my right wing and when I encountered this area, I just cut a clearance notch in the aluminum reinforcing plate. I was bothered by the fact that the nut would ride on the fabric/plate and tend to push the plate upward, off the fabric. Cutting a notch to JUST clear the nut allows for a stress-free, relaxed fabric/plate condition, instead of under constant pressure from riding on the nut. Lynn On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Flybradair@cs.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com > > Hi Chris, > > The transponder antenna location for the 5 is the flat metal plate > on the > bottom of the aircraft right behind the pilots butt. It comes welded > to the > airframe from the factory. I just drilled in a 1/2 inch hole before > covering. > After covering just cut out this hole with an exacta and mount the > antenna. > > I bought a Narco ATT155 based on price only. It was the lowest > price I > could find for a transponder altitude encoder combination through ACS. > > As for the lift strut----mine ended up this way also. The fabric > has to be > pushed up to get the nut on the bolt and it rides on the fabric. Do > not know > what you could do to change this. The strut bracket that attaches to > the spar > is gonna end up where it is supposed to be regardless of the fabric. > You will > be putting in a metal reinforcing plate around this opening when you > cover so > the bolt should be riding on this instead of just fabric. > > Brad Martin > Wichita > 5 lyc > N232WB > (Trying to finish) > > > In a message dated 2/5/05 8:20:30 AM Central Standard Time, > jusplanefun@juno.com writes: >> Subj: Kitfox-List: transponder and fabric >> Date:2/5/05 8:20:30 AM Central Standard Time >> From:jusplanefun@juno.com >> Reply-to:kitfox-list@matronics.com >> To:kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Received from Internet: >> >> >> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: chris t gandy >> <jusplanefun@juno.com> >> >> >> Hi guys, my dad and I are building a series 5 Vixen and have been >> soaking up alot of great information from your list for about six >> months. >> We are getting close to covering, but before we do, we would like to >> add >> a transponder to our panel. We would like any suggestions on a brand >> or >> model ( I like the garmin 327). Also need some help about the antenna >> location and whether or not it requires a ground plane at the base. >> >> >> >> >> I also have a question about the point where the >> lift >> strut attaches to the leading edge of the wing. It appears that the >> hole >> for the bolt for that attachment will end up under the fabric once the >> wing is covered. Is there any problems with this or will this problem >> take care of itself? Thanks for any comments, and keep the wealth of >> information coming. >> >> >> >> Thanks, Chris -Vixen 912/S under construction >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 10:36:06 AM PST US
    From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing folding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> Guy, I have seen some trailers where the Kitfox sits at a level attitude. Most have a channel iron to guide the tail wheel to a tie down postion. One disadvantage being you'd have a have a hanger/garage with a high enough ceiling for the tail to clear. Being a mechanical engineer, I agree with you that the extra weight of fuel puts negligible stress on the struts and attachment points. I can understand someone's concerns about the matter but if they could see a force diagram of the setup, I think they would understand. Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S --- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > <bnn@nethere.com> > > Heavy sigh... Thanks Don. Not really what I wanted > to hear, but a workable > solution if I can't get the caps to work. I think > I'll struggle with the > caps for a little bit first, though. Maybe I can get > / make some good caps > that won't leak. As to the weight on the spar- no > I'm not worried about 78# > more pounds pulling down on aft spar when folded. > (Yes I'm an engineer and > can do the math if it really looks necessary. Maybe > in some of my copious > free time ;-) > > At 07:41 AM 2/4/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > >Guy, > > Unless you went to a better sealed cap, I > "think" they would tend to > >leak. The little spring catches on that type cap > tend to weaken over time > >and the > >... > > I never did get the trailer and finish the > idea but have used the drain > >several times to empty the tanks. The Rich Man is > always sucking fuel out my > >bottom port to put in his Comanche mule. > > > >Don Smythe > >N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:37:11 AM PST US
    Subject: [ Gary Algate ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com> A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Gary Algate <algate@attglobal.net> Subject: Canadian X-Country Barrie Ont - Montebello Que+ http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/algate@attglobal.net.02.05.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com


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    Time: 10:47:46 AM PST US
    From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Subaru
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> Roberto asks: >I'm not familiar with either the NSI or Stratus, who makes them? Well, that would be NSI and Stratus. :-) NSI: <http://www.nsiaero.com> Stratus: <http://www.stratus2000.homestead.com/> Mike G. N728KF


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    Time: 11:56:42 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Wing folding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> Thanks Ted. Good info, bad news. You're right about the fuel expansion, even if I have tall caps the fuel will vent. Hadn't thought of that. I'll have to come up with a custom inboard vent system for when the plane is parked if it's going to work. Guy At 08:45 AM 2/5/2005 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net> > >Guy, >... >If the tanks are full enough to get to the caps, you'll end up with full >coming out the vents too due to expansion when it warms. > >Regards, > >Ted


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    Time: 11:59:45 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing folding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> Grant, I can't bring the tail up because my Kitfox is going to live in a toy box that's only about 6' 3" high internally. My intention is to park it at the airport, (already arranged,) and have it be my own mini-hangar. That will cost me about $95 / month versus $400 for a T-hangar. Guy At 10:35 AM 2/5/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> > >Guy, > I have seen some trailers where the Kitfox sits at a >level attitude. Most have a channel iron to guide the >... >Grant Fluent >Newcastle, NE >Classic IV 912S


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    Time: 12:37:17 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: any Kitfox-builders near Geneve?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com> INTERESTING WEB SITE. NO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koen Van de Kerckhove" <nestofdragons@hotmail.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: any Kitfox-builders near Geneve? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Koen Van de Kerckhove" > <nestofdragons@hotmail.com> > > Hallo, > > I am visiting Geneve next monday. Will be busy before noon, but will be > free the afternoon and evening. I hope ... and pray ... to be able to > visit something that is related to airplanes. But, no museum of airplanes. > Grrr. So, now I am searching for persons who lives near Geneve and who are > building a airplane. Somebody told me that there are Kitfox-builders near > Geneve. Can I visit you and your airplane that evening, pleeeeaaaase? > > Who am I? I am Koen Van de Kerckhove, the webmaster of the "Nest of > Dragons" site. Site is dedicated to the design and history of weird > designs. Also about low budget airplanes. Each time I see some kind of > construction I get a wave of inspiration to sketch some new concepts > myself. I am wondering what kind of wave seeing a Kitfox-airplane ... and > builder will give me. > > Keep that brain spawning wings, > > Koen > > >


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    Time: 01:47:51 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Kitfox in S. Cal?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> Hi guys...I'm looking for a Kitfox (tailwheel) in the S. California area that I might borrow to take my Sport Pilot practical test in. I will pay you to use your plane. The Sport Pilot rules mean that I must take my practical in the same aircraft. My bird is in phase I. I am located near William J. Fox in the Antelope Valley near Edwards AFB. I sure would appreciate an opportunity to get my ticket. I have already taken my knowledge test and I have all my hours and pre-practical requirements fulfilled. I don't need anything special on the panel...in fact, sparser the better...day VFR. Please contact me at the number below if you think we could work something out: Steve Cooper Avid Mark IV Jabiru/Tailwheel N919SC (661) 256-1897


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    Time: 02:11:31 PM PST US
    From: GONER752@aol.com
    Subject: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com On my kfII the elevator control rod binds on the bottom of the seat pan with me in the seat.What can i do to resolve this?The elevotor can still be operated but definatly stays put when the stick is released.Thanks in advance. greg g. n375 kfII


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    Time: 03:02:03 PM PST US
    From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net> You have to bend it. My II was the same way. They all are(Model II I know) Glenn Horne Model II ----- Original Message ----- From: <GONER752@aol.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: elevator push/pull rod > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com > > On my kfII the elevator control rod binds on the bottom of the seat pan > with > me in the seat.What can i do to resolve this?The elevotor can still be > operated but definatly stays put when the stick is released.Thanks in > advance. > greg g. > n375 kfII > > >


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    Time: 03:13:39 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/5/2005 5:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, GONER752@aol.com writes: On my kfII the elevator control rod binds on the bottom of the seat pan with me in the seat.What can i do to resolve this?The elevotor can still be operated but definatly stays put when the stick is released.Thanks in advance. greg g. n375 kfII If we're talking about the same rod, mine also rubbed on the Classic IV. Actually, I don't remember if it was the elevator rod or the flapperon rod. Either way, I fixed mine by placing in on the floor between two 4"X4" wooden blocks. Then lightly flexed my body weight on the center until I had a slight bend in the 3/8" rod. Reinstall in the airplane with the bend/bow down. This cleared the seat and still had plenty of adjustment on the rod ends. You may need to put the bow more toward one end of the rod depending on where it rubs the seat. Worked fine for me and I seem to remember getting concurrence from SS but, that was a while ago. Don Smythe


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    Time: 03:35:17 PM PST US
    From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing folding
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> $400 for a T-hangar? My rent for a T-hangar just went up to $90 a month, and I thought I was being ripped off. I guess there must be some benefit to living in central Kentucky. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> > > Grant, > I can't bring the tail up because my Kitfox is going to live in a > toy box that's only about 6' 3" high internally. My intention is to park > it > at the airport, (already arranged,) and have it be my own mini-hangar. > That > will cost me about $95 / month versus $400 for a T-hangar. > > Guy > > At 10:35 AM 2/5/2005 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com> >> >>Guy, >> I have seen some trailers where the Kitfox sits at a >>level attitude. Most have a channel iron to guide the >>... >>Grant Fluent >>Newcastle, NE >>Classic IV 912S > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.


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    Time: 04:01:07 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Not good. The first thing I'd do is find out exactly where the rod is touching the seat pan. Possibly some spray paint on the seat pan then put it back in with your butt in it and work the control rod. Pull it back out and see where its rubbing. Shouldn't be happening. Once you find out where it's rubbing you should be able to see what the fix is. There's always a solution so let us know how it goes and with 400 of us here we should be able to fix you up. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: <GONER752@aol.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: elevator push/pull rod > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com > > On my kfII the elevator control rod binds on the bottom of the seat pan with > me in the seat.What can i do to resolve this?The elevotor can still be > operated but definatly stays put when the stick is released.Thanks in advance. > greg g. > n375 kfII > >


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    Time: 04:22:06 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/5/05 4:01:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes: << t back in with your butt in it and work the control rod. Pull it back out and see where its rubbing. Shouldn't be happening. Once you find out where it's rubbing you should be able to see what the fix is. There's always a solution so let us know how it goes and with 400 of us here we should be >> Deke, Agree that it shouldn't be happening but mine did on the Classic IV. It was not a hard rub but did contact the seat bottom. I had already wrapped the two seat bars with thin carpet to raise the seat. That helped a little but not quite enough. Putting a very very slight bow to the tubes is not going to hurt them. Again, I'm pretty sure I talked with SS about this and they concurred with the "bend" fix. The original bars came perfectly straight. Also, my two bars that go from the mixer up to the flapperon horns were approximately 1/2" too long. I spent all day on the phone with SS on this one and they finally agreed. They sent two new ones 1/2" shorter. I verified this condition on two other Kitfox and found they had to fudge the adjustment to get the longer ones to work. I've never heard much about this from other builders. Point is, you can have a problem on one production model that won't be on the next even if you still talking IV's against IV's. Don Smythe N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582


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    Time: 05:24:03 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Good point Don, but the control mechanism for the II and the IV are completely different. That's why I told Greg to find out exactly what and where it's rubbing first before doing anything. Deke > Deke, > Agree that it shouldn't be happening but mine did on the Classic IV. It > was not a hard rub but did contact the seat bottom. I had already wrapped the > two seat bars with thin carpet to raise the seat. That helped a little but > not quite enough. Putting a very very slight bow to the tubes is not going to > hurt them. Again, I'm pretty sure I talked with SS about this and they > concurred with the "bend" fix. The original bars came perfectly straight. > Also, my two bars that go from the mixer up to the flapperon horns were > approximately 1/2" too long. I spent all day on the phone with SS on this one > and they finally agreed. They sent two new ones 1/2" shorter. I verified > this condition on two other Kitfox and found they had to fudge the adjustment to > get the longer ones to work. I've never heard much about this from other > builders. Point is, you can have a problem on one production model that won't be > on the next even if you still talking IV's against IV's. > > Don Smythe > N-998DS Classic IV W/ 582 > >


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    Time: 06:03:27 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net> Hi Deke, Instructions in my IV-1200, circa 1993 said to "adjust" the rod by bending so it would clear the seat pan. Cheers, bh > Good point Don, but the control mechanism for the II and the IV are > completely different. That's why I told Greg to find out exactly what and > where it's rubbing first before doing anything. > Deke


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    Time: 07:34:40 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
    Subject: Re: elevator push/pull rod
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com> Another idea is to raise the seat pan.....would help visibility a bit also for some of us shorter people. Jeff Smathers Bruce Harrington wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net> > > Hi Deke, > Instructions in my IV-1200, circa 1993 said to "adjust" the rod by bending > so it would clear the seat pan. > Cheers, > bh > > > Good point Don, but the control mechanism for the II and the IV are > > completely different. That's why I told Greg to find out exactly what and > > where it's rubbing first before doing anything. > > Deke >


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    Time: 08:01:05 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox in S. Cal?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net> Steve, is there someone in SoCal that can give the Sport Pilot practical exam?? If so, please give me the name. I have a KF IV in San Diego but unfortunately not yet ready to fly. Pete Sigrist Rans S-12, KF IV Hi guys...I'm looking for a Kitfox (tailwheel) in the S. California area > that I might borrow to take my Sport Pilot practical test in. > > Steve Cooper > Avid Mark IV > Jabiru/Tailwheel > N919SC > > (661) 256-1897 > >


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    Time: 08:17:31 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Kitfox in S. Cal?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> How close are you to flying? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sigrist Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in S. Cal? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net> Steve, is there someone in SoCal that can give the Sport Pilot practical exam?? If so, please give me the name. I have a KF IV in San Diego but unfortunately not yet ready to fly. Pete Sigrist Rans S-12, KF IV Hi guys...I'm looking for a Kitfox (tailwheel) in the S. California area > that I might borrow to take my Sport Pilot practical test in. > > Steve Cooper > Avid Mark IV > Jabiru/Tailwheel > N919SC > > (661) 256-1897 > >


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    Time: 08:18:14 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Kitfox in S. Cal?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> Sure...glad to. Give me a call. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sigrist Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in S. Cal? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist" <psigrist@cox.net> Steve, is there someone in SoCal that can give the Sport Pilot practical exam?? If so, please give me the name. I have a KF IV in San Diego but unfortunately not yet ready to fly. Pete Sigrist Rans S-12, KF IV Hi guys...I'm looking for a Kitfox (tailwheel) in the S. California area > that I might borrow to take my Sport Pilot practical test in. > > Steve Cooper > Avid Mark IV > Jabiru/Tailwheel > N919SC > > (661) 256-1897 > >


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    Time: 10:16:49 PM PST US
    From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
    Subject: Re-United with N728KF
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> Hi all, I got a call from Murle Williams this morning, telling me that there was a big tangle of green and purple airplane parts littering his driveway. Murle had made arrangements to buy the wreckage of my beautiful Speedster back from the insurance company. This afternoon when I made it over there to see it I felt like crying. At the same time, though, I felt a very real sense of relief, almost like having a loved one return home to their final rest. Murle removed the data plate for me. It was one of those EAA 100th anniversary plates and I was very proud of it...but then, I figured the plane would be around a lot longer than it was. I was quite impressed by some of the things I noticed. The engine (912S) is remarkably intact, despite it being one of the first things to the scene of the accident. If the plastic cover over the ignition pickups on the rear of the engine wasn't smashed in it's possible that the engine would turn over. The engine was at full power when it hit the ground but the blades in the Ivo prop were in place in the hub. One blade was shattered from about the mid-point outward. And, although literally ripped off of the plane, the Grove landing gear looks like the day it was installed. Heck, the tires are still inflated. I took some photos today. I'm not sure if it is the sort of thing folks want to see on sportflight.com or not, let me know if there's an interest. Mike G. N728KF




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