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     1. 04:09 AM - Re: Re-United with N728KF (Fox5flyer)
     2. 04:14 AM - Re: Re-United with N728KF (Howard Firm)
     3. 08:15 AM - Re: Re-United with N728KF (Ron)
     4. 08:45 AM - Re: Wing Folding (Michael Gibbs)
     5. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Wing Folding (Don Pearsall)
     6. 11:00 AM - Re: Re-United with N728KF (Michel Verheughe)
     7. 12:14 PM - Trailering (Lmar)
     8. 01:06 PM - Re: Re-United with N728KF (Dee Young)
     9. 01:41 PM - Re: Wing folding (Richard Hutson)
    10. 03:06 PM - Hi Ron fly today?  (Aerobatics@aol.com)
    11. 04:12 PM - Mike Gibbs wreck (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    12. 04:31 PM - Fuel caps (Rex & Jan Shaw)
    13. 07:57 PM - Re: Trailering (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    14. 08:49 PM - Re: Fuel caps (Guy Buchanan)
    15. 09:41 PM - fuel tanks (Maurice Fraser)
    16. 10:07 PM - Re: transponder and fabric (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
    17. 10:37 PM - Re: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks (kurt schrader)
    18. 10:41 PM - Re: Mike Gibbs wreck (kurt schrader)
    19. 11:40 PM - Re: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks (Steve Cooper)
    20. 11:43 PM - Re: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks (Steve Cooper)
    21. 11:54 PM - Skyfox Cowling (Steve Cooper)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Re-United with N728KF | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
      
      Go ahead and post them on Sportflight Michael.  We'd all be interested in
      seeing them.
      Deke
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re-United with N728KF
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      >
      > Hi all,
      >
      > I got a call from Murle Williams this morning, telling me that there
      > was a big tangle of green and purple airplane parts littering his
      > driveway.  Murle had made arrangements to buy the wreckage of my
      > beautiful Speedster back from the insurance company.
      >
      > This afternoon when I made it over there to see it I felt like
      > crying.  At the same time, though, I felt a very real sense of
      > relief, almost like having a loved one return home to their final
      > rest.
      >
      > Murle removed the data plate for me.  It was one of those EAA 100th
      > anniversary plates and I was very proud of it...but then, I figured
      > the plane would be around a lot longer than it was.
      >
      > I was quite impressed by some of the things I noticed.  The engine
      > (912S) is remarkably intact, despite it being one of the first things
      > to the scene of the accident.  If the plastic cover over the ignition
      > pickups on the rear of the engine wasn't smashed in it's possible
      > that the engine would turn over.  The engine was at full power when
      > it hit the ground but the blades in the Ivo prop were in place in the
      > hub.  One blade was shattered from about the mid-point outward.  And,
      > although literally ripped off of the plane, the Grove landing gear
      > looks like the day it was installed.  Heck, the tires are still
      > inflated.
      >
      > I took some photos today.  I'm not sure if it is the sort of thing
      > folks want to see on sportflight.com or not, let me know if there's
      > an interest.
      >
      > Mike G.
      > N728KF
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Re-United with N728KF | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
      
      I'd like to see those pictures Mike, I was curious about where or how the
      gear tore off.
      I know what you go through when looking and the wreckage!!!
      
      Howard Firm
      508 12th St. South
      Virginia MN 55792
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re-United with N728KF
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      >
      > Hi all,
      >
      > I got a call from Murle Williams this morning, telling me that there
      > was a big tangle of green and purple airplane parts littering his
      > driveway.  Murle had made arrangements to buy the wreckage of my
      > beautiful Speedster back from the insurance company.
      >
      > This afternoon when I made it over there to see it I felt like
      > crying.  At the same time, though, I felt a very real sense of
      > relief, almost like having a loved one return home to their final
      > rest.
      >
      > Murle removed the data plate for me.  It was one of those EAA 100th
      > anniversary plates and I was very proud of it...but then, I figured
      > the plane would be around a lot longer than it was.
      >
      > I was quite impressed by some of the things I noticed.  The engine
      > (912S) is remarkably intact, despite it being one of the first things
      > to the scene of the accident.  If the plastic cover over the ignition
      > pickups on the rear of the engine wasn't smashed in it's possible
      > that the engine would turn over.  The engine was at full power when
      > it hit the ground but the blades in the Ivo prop were in place in the
      > hub.  One blade was shattered from about the mid-point outward.  And,
      > although literally ripped off of the plane, the Grove landing gear
      > looks like the day it was installed.  Heck, the tires are still
      > inflated.
      >
      > I took some photos today.  I'm not sure if it is the sort of thing
      > folks want to see on sportflight.com or not, let me know if there's
      > an interest.
      >
      > Mike G.
      > N728KF
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Re-United with N728KF | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
      
      Hi Mike,
      
      I would like to see the photos. They might show some strengths or weaknesses
      of the airframe which in turn might help us in some way.
      
      I think that it was nice of Murle to recover your plane.
      
      Ron   N55KF
      
      
      > Hi all,
      >
      > I got a call from Murle Williams this morning, telling me that there
      > was a big tangle of green and purple airplane parts littering his
      > driveway.  Murle had made arrangements to buy the wreckage of my
      > beautiful Speedster back from the insurance company.
      >
      > This afternoon when I made it over there to see it I felt like
      > crying.  At the same time, though, I felt a very real sense of
      > relief, almost like having a loved one return home to their final
      > rest.
      >
      > Murle removed the data plate for me.  It was one of those EAA 100th
      > anniversary plates and I was very proud of it...but then, I figured
      > the plane would be around a lot longer than it was.
      >
      > I was quite impressed by some of the things I noticed.  The engine
      > (912S) is remarkably intact, despite it being one of the first things
      > to the scene of the accident.  If the plastic cover over the ignition
      > pickups on the rear of the engine wasn't smashed in it's possible
      > that the engine would turn over.  The engine was at full power when
      > it hit the ground but the blades in the Ivo prop were in place in the
      > hub.  One blade was shattered from about the mid-point outward.  And,
      > although literally ripped off of the plane, the Grove landing gear
      > looks like the day it was installed.  Heck, the tires are still
      > inflated.
      >
      > I took some photos today.  I'm not sure if it is the sort of thing
      > folks want to see on sportflight.com or not, let me know if there's
      > an interest.
      >
      > Mike G.
      > N728KF
      >
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Folding | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      
      I saw a trailer that had integral fuel tanks.  It had a small pump to 
      transfer the fuel out of the plane and into the trailer for parking 
      the plane with the wings folded.  When you wanted to fly you could 
      unfold the wings and pump the fuel back into the airplane.
      
      I want to say Murle Williams came up with this but I don't remember for sure.
      
      At 11:58 PM -0800 2/5/05, Guy Buchanan wrote:
      >My intention is to park [my trailer] at the airport, (already 
      >arranged,) and have it be my own mini-hangar. That will cost me 
      >about $95 / month versus $400 for a T-hangar.
      
      Can I ask what airport you are talking about, Guy?
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Folding | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      
      Speaking of trailers with fuel-unloading capabilities, my neighbor, Mike
      Robbins, built a nice trailer that has integral fuel tanks. At the time of
      building, he installed quick-drains with about a 1/2" diameter outlets. He
      could attach a hose from the drains to the trailer tanks and be finished
      draining full fuel in about 5 minutes.
      
      Then using an electric fuel pump, he could fill the tanks back again really
      fast.
      
      Here is a pic of the trailer. It is in the TRAILER section of the
      SportFlight site.
      http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1014612479
      
      Don Pearsall
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Folding
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
      
      I saw a trailer that had integral fuel tanks.  It had a small pump to 
      transfer the fuel out of the plane and into the trailer for parking 
      the plane with the wings folded.  When you wanted to fly you could 
      unfold the wings and pump the fuel back into the airplane.
      
      I want to say Murle Williams came up with this but I don't remember for
      sure.
      
      At 11:58 PM -0800 2/5/05, Guy Buchanan wrote:
      >My intention is to park [my trailer] at the airport, (already 
      >arranged,) and have it be my own mini-hangar. That will cost me 
      >about $95 / month versus $400 for a T-hangar.
      
      Can I ask what airport you are talking about, Guy?
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Re-United with N728KF | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
      
      Michael Gibbs wrote:
      > This afternoon when I made it over there to see it I felt like
      > crying.
      
      I understand you so well, Mike. Now that I have made a new cowling to my plane,
      I am not so sure I dare to fly it, in case I damage it in a ground loop. I
      don't understand how you, building guys, dare to fly your work ... you must
      have nerves of steel! :-)
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
      
      Can anyone see any resons NOT to trailer NOSE first?  I conceed that it would be
      more difficult to build and perhaps load, but I feel more comfortable with the
      airflow going in the proper direction to the airplane surfaces.  Thoughts........
      Larry
      
                      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Re-United with N728KF | 
      Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:05:06 -0700
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
      
      Does hyper ventilate mean anything to you.
      
      Dee
      
      Do Not Archive
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Michel Verheughe<mailto:michel@online.no>
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
        Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:52 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re-United with N728KF
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no<mailto:michel@online.no>>
      
        Michael Gibbs wrote:
        > This afternoon when I made it over there to see it I felt like
        > crying.
      
        I understand you so well, Mike. Now that I have made a new cowling to my plane,
        I am not so sure I dare to fly it, in case I damage it in a ground loop. I
        don't understand how you, building guys, dare to fly your work ... you must
        have nerves of steel! :-)
      
        Cheers,
        Michel
      
        do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing folding | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
      
      T Hangar in Memphis, TN at any county airport is $200.00 per month.  but you 
      can rent the land for $.20 per square foot and bill your on hangar with a 20 
      year lease, the hangar becomes county property at the end of the lease. 
      One then would have to rent their own hangar from the county at the going 
      rate.
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
      >
      > $400 for a T-hangar?  My rent for a T-hangar just went up to $90 a month,
      > and I thought I was being ripped off.  I guess there must be some benefit 
      > to
      > living in central Kentucky.
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing folding
      >
      >
      >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
      >>
      >> Grant,
      >>         I can't bring the tail up because my Kitfox is going to live in a
      >> toy box that's only about 6' 3" high internally. My intention is to park
      >> it
      >> at the airport, (already arranged,) and have it be my own mini-hangar.
      >> That
      >> will cost me about $95 / month versus $400 for a T-hangar.
      >>
      >> Guy
      >>
      >> At 10:35 AM 2/5/2005 -0800, you wrote:
      >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
      >>>
      >>>Guy,
      >>>   I have seen some trailers where the Kitfox sits at a
      >>>level attitude. Most have a channel iron to guide the
      >>>...
      >>>Grant Fluent
      >>>Newcastle, NE
      >>>Classic IV 912S
      >>
      >>
      >> -- 
      >> No virus found in this incoming message.
      >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
      >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > -- 
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      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Hi Ron   fly today?   | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
      
      lets hook up..
      
      Dave
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Mike Gibbs wreck | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      
      I took some photos today.  I'm not sure if it is the sort of thing
      folks want to see on sportflight.com or not, let me know if there's
      an interest.
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      
      Mike we all felt for you in your time of trouble and still do. I'm sure we
      would all be interested  to see what you and your mate survived as well as
      just what the Kitfox looks like after it all.
      I'm sure you'll rest better now seeing the plane one last time after the
      event. I hope you continue to heal well and get back in the air oneday.
                 All the best,
                                   Rex Shaw
                                     Australia.
      
      rexjan@bigpond.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
      
      Thanks Don. Not really what I wanted to hear, but a workable
      solution if I can't get the caps to work. I think I'll struggle with the
      caps for a little bit first, though. Maybe I can get / make some good caps
      that won't leak.
      
      Guy,
              unfortunately I'm sure Don is correct about those original caps
      leaking. However I was getting trouble with mine leaking and I tried to get
      the Mercedes gaskets here in Australia that are reccommended to fix the
      problem. Here though I had to buy the complete caps and I wasn't going to do
      that just for the gaskets. I know in the USA though these gaskets are
      readilly available at about $2-3 each so you could try them. They are 2.5mm
      thick. I used some 3mm fuel resistant insertion rubber and made 2 gaskets
      and they are working OK. I put a bit of rubber grease on them occasionally
      and they feel nice to tighten down. Either way cost and effort is minimal
      and worth a try.
        On the vent tubes you can just put some fuel tubing hung out past the wing
      to carry any excess expansion out of the way. Just put it on when you put
      your plane away and keep the end up to stop siphoning.
        I can't believe the hanger prices you are paying. It costs me $10/wk for a
      huge hanger.
      
      Rex.
      rexjan@bigpond.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      Larry,
      There is an airplane surface that is NOT designed for airflow that way.  It
      is the wing roots.  It has been discussed here that air can go into the
      wings and overpressure the insides, loosening the fabric and perhaps the
      wing tips.
      
      Backwards works great if you put a lock on the rudder and the elevator,
      which you should do any way.
      
      Randy - only 45 miles trailering experience.
      
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lmar
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailering
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
      
      Can anyone see any resons NOT to trailer NOSE first?  I conceed that it
      would be more difficult to build and perhaps load, but I feel more
      comfortable with the airflow going in the proper direction to the airplane
      surfaces.  Thoughts........
      Larry
      
                      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
      
      At 11:03 AM 2/7/2005 +1030, you wrote:
      >...
      >Guy,
      >...
      >   I can't believe the hanger prices you are paying. It costs me $10/wk for a
      >huge hanger.
      >
      >Rex.
      >rexjan@bigpond.com
      
      Omigosh! $40/mo. You can't even buy coffee for that! If I could pay those 
      rates I'd have a Kitfox and a Bonanza too. Oh well, that's the price you 
      pay for good weather, I guess.
      
      Guy Buchanan
      K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser@gokenora.com>
      
      Hi All
      
      I know this is the kitfox list but I thought someone here may have some
      opinions on my questions. I am looking at buying a Avid HH and have been
      monitoring the avid group for a while now and a getting a little concerned
      about the fibre glass fuel tanks deteriorating in the wings. Is there a fix
      for this. Is this something that should be scaring me away from the Avid?
      Also the flaperon attach point at the wing rib on the plane I am looking at
      has one broken and the fellow says that he will repair it, but I have read
      about one avid that these failed in flight can anyone shed some light on
      these things? I would really appreciate it as I am very interested in the
      Avid but don't want to be unsafe. I would also be interested in a kitfox.
      
      Thanks in Advance
      Maurice
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: transponder and fabric | 
       06:07:22,
              Serialize complete at 07/02/2005 06:07:22
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
      
      Hi Chris
      
      I bought a 2nd hand Kitfox, and was required to fit a transponder. I was 
      not keen on making the fitment a permanent fixture, so was not that keen 
      on cutting holes in the fabric.
      
      I have literally cable tied the aerial to the pax side of the fus 
      framework just aft the seats. It works perfectly. Yes, you may get some 
      responses indicating that putting in a ground plane is a good idea. 
      
      Since then, I have had a few friends do the same, and not one has ever had 
      a problem. (Our ATC are sticky at the national airports, and will only 
      allow you to fly from their airfields if one is transponder equipped - 
      they are not shy to recall you or deny joining if the transponder is not 
      100%.)
      
      Regards
      Roger
      
      
      chris t gandy <jusplanefun@juno.com> 
      Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      05/02/2005 04:18 PM
      
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      Kitfox-List: transponder and fabric
      
      
       Size: 5 Kb 
      
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: chris t gandy <jusplanefun@juno.com>
      
      
          Hi guys, my dad and I are building a series 5 Vixen and have been
      soaking up alot of great information from your list for about six months.
      We are getting close to covering, but before we do, we would like to add
      a transponder to our panel. We would like any suggestions on a brand or
      model ( I like the garmin 327). Also need some help about the antenna
      location and whether or not it requires a ground plane at the base. 
      
      
                         I also have a question about the point where the lift
      strut attaches to the leading edge of the wing. It appears that the hole
      for the bolt for that attachment will end up under the fabric once the
      wing is covered. Is there any problems with this or will this problem
      take care of itself? Thanks for any comments, and keep the wealth of
      information coming. 
      
      
                             Thanks, Chris -Vixen 912/S under construction
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Maurice,
      
      If I remember correctly, the Avid used wooden mounts
      for the flapperons.  Aren't they extensions of the
      ribs?  These were supposed to be weaker than the
      kitFox, especially the later models.  You might
      inspect the flapperon attachments to see how they
      compare to KitFox mounts prior to purchase.  I don't
      know if the later Avids had stronger mounts.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5 KitFox
      
      --- Maurice Fraser <mfraser@gokenora.com> wrote:
      
      > Hi All
      > 
      > I am looking at buying a Avid HH and have been
      > monitoring the avid group for a while now and a
      > getting a little concerned....
      ..........
      > Also the flaperon attach point at the wing rib on
      > the plane....
      > ........
      
      > Thanks in Advance
      > Maurice
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Mike Gibbs wreck | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Well said Rex.  You are still one of the family here
      Mike.  Maybe we can learn something from your
      construction and your survival that could help others
      in the future.  Both you and your Fox must have done
      something right to keep you here. 
      
      Kurt S.
      
      --- Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:
      
      > I took some photos today.  I'm not sure if it is the
      > sort of thing folks want to see on sportflight.com
      > or not, let me know if there's an interest.
      > 
      > Mike G.
      > N728KF
      > 
      > Mike we all felt for you in your time of trouble and
      > still do. I'm sure we would all be interested  
      > to see what you and your mate survived as well as
      > just what the Kitfox looks like after it all.
      > I'm sure you'll rest better now seeing the plane one
      > last time after the event. I hope you continue 
      > to heal well and get back in the air oneday.
      >            All the best,
      >                              Rex Shaw
      >                                Australia.
      
      
              
                      
      __________________________________ 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
      
      I have one of the last Mark IV kits produced by Avid. The flapperon
      attachment point is still the end of the wooden rib. I took great care to
      finish these in the appropriate manner. I treaded mine according to the book
      along with UV protection and paint. The system works pretty well. The only
      failure I know of was an Avid that was kept under a tarp in a tropical
      location somewhere. Water ran down inside the wing and collected at each rib
      tip causing rot. A portion of the flapperon separated in flight. They are a
      significant part of my pre-flight inspection. The only other failures I know
      of were when people mash the flapperon into a hangar door or wall.
      
      Steve
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Maurice,
      
      If I remember correctly, the Avid used wooden mounts
      for the flapperons.  Aren't they extensions of the
      ribs?  These were supposed to be weaker than the
      kitFox, especially the later models.  You might
      inspect the flapperon attachments to see how they
      compare to KitFox mounts prior to purchase.  I don't
      know if the later Avids had stronger mounts.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5 KitFox
      
      --- Maurice Fraser <mfraser@gokenora.com> wrote:
      
      > Hi All
      > 
      > I am looking at buying a Avid HH and have been
      > monitoring the avid group for a while now and a
      > getting a little concerned....
      ..........
      > Also the flaperon attach point at the wing rib on
      > the plane....
      > ........
      
      > Thanks in Advance
      > Maurice
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
      
      "Treated"   :)
      
      Steve
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
      
      I have one of the last Mark IV kits produced by Avid. The flapperon
      attachment point is still the end of the wooden rib. I took great care to
      finish these in the appropriate manner. I treaded mine according to the book
      along with UV protection and paint. The system works pretty well. The only
      failure I know of was an Avid that was kept under a tarp in a tropical
      location somewhere. Water ran down inside the wing and collected at each rib
      tip causing rot. A portion of the flapperon separated in flight. They are a
      significant part of my pre-flight inspection. The only other failures I know
      of were when people mash the flapperon into a hangar door or wall.
      
      Steve
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid problems-was KF fuel tanks
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
      <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
      
      Hi Maurice,
      
      If I remember correctly, the Avid used wooden mounts
      for the flapperons.  Aren't they extensions of the
      ribs?  These were supposed to be weaker than the
      kitFox, especially the later models.  You might
      inspect the flapperon attachments to see how they
      compare to KitFox mounts prior to purchase.  I don't
      know if the later Avids had stronger mounts.
      
      Kurt S.  S-5 KitFox
      
      --- Maurice Fraser <mfraser@gokenora.com> wrote:
      
      > Hi All
      > 
      > I am looking at buying a Avid HH and have been
      > monitoring the avid group for a while now and a
      > getting a little concerned....
      ..........
      > Also the flaperon attach point at the wing rib on
      > the plane....
      > ........
      
      > Thanks in Advance
      > Maurice
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
      
      I know this has been discussed here before. Does anyone know a source for
      this cowling?
      
      Thanks,
      
      Steve Cooper
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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