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1. 12:59 AM - Re: KF7 For Sale (kurt schrader)
2. 08:16 AM - vender support (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
3. 09:16 AM - Re: Oil Injection Concern (Jimmie Blackwell)
4. 09:26 AM - Re: Oil Injection Concern (David Savener)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: KF7 For Sale (Donna and Roger McConnell)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: Airdale double tailspring (Clifford Begnaud)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: More questions (Kerry Skyring)
8. 02:09 PM - Re: Oil Injection Concern (Lynn Matteson)
9. 02:19 PM - another Jabiru question (Lynn Matteson)
10. 02:26 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Gary Algate)
11. 02:47 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Michel Verheughe)
12. 03:51 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Clem Nichols)
13. 04:31 PM - Re: Oil Injection Concern (David Savener)
14. 04:43 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Steve Cooper)
15. 05:20 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Dee Young)
16. 05:23 PM - Re: Oil Injection Concern/door latch (Lynn Matteson)
17. 05:39 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Lynn Matteson)
18. 06:18 PM - Re: another Jabiru question (Lynn Matteson)
19. 06:34 PM - Jabiru question (Rick)
20. 06:39 PM - Re: Jabiru question (Steve Cooper)
21. 06:48 PM - Re: Jabiru question (Steve Cooper)
22. 07:09 PM - Re: Jabiru question (Rick)
23. 08:51 PM - Re: Jabiru question (Steve Cooper)
24. 10:23 PM - Re motor (Rex & Jan Shaw)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Some pilots still have the "right stuff". :-)
And it is the right people more than any other factor,
who make things work. This one act is worth some
$15,000 in capital, and much more in SS survival. And
what does it really cost? Just a few such acts might
save SS bacon for the cost of shipping...
It pays to be on this list and it pays to keep the
right people around your business.
Back in the 60's and 70's businesses got into the
habit of buying up other successful companies in order
to deversify their business. It sounded good, but the
buyers replaced the bought company's staffs with their
own. There were many disasters because it was the
successful people who made the companies work, not
products, reputations, etc, and these people were
replaced.
As the Don would say, "Gary, you are hired!"
Kurt S.
--- Gary Randall <gryfz450@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Roger,
> I have a deal for you. I have a new 912S setting in
> my shop waiting to be installed, I got it from SS
> when I bought my S7 kit. I have fallen about a
> year behind in my building so I won't need my engine
> for atleast a year from now. I will give you my
> engine and take your spot on the list for another
> engine. SS will even cover the shipping! Hope this
> helps make your dream come through!
> Gary Randall
> S7 at least a yr from now.
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
while we are all in a good mood let me share a couple of recent experiences with
venders.
Sportys: their web site did not do a good job a identifying the particular GPS
manual I was seeking and a recieved the wrong manual. A call to customer service
resulted in an overnight shipment of the correct manual, prepaid envelope
for the return and a promise to edit the web site to make it more intuitive.
SafeAir1: having obtained prepackaged pitot/AOA kits for the RV9 project I needed
a couple of bits and piece to customize the installation. When I called they
wanted to discuss my installation and get recommendations for resturcturing
their kits. As a result they are separating their two kits into three(pitot,static,
and AOA) rather than combining the pitot/static. My bits and pieces were
in the mail that day with a request that I drop a check in the mail sometime
soon.
These two venders are at the extremes of the size spectrum but they have the service
part of their business down right, but then they have not had to deal with
the challenges the Skystar has. Those who feel wronged won't care about my
feelings but I choose to believe that Skystar is trying to get it right. Gary
also chose to believe that Skystar was trying and would get it right.
John Kerr
while we are all in a good mood let me share a couple of recent experiences with
venders.
Sportys: their web site did not do a good job a identifying the particular GPS
manual I was seeking and a recieved the wrong manual. A call to customer service
resulted in an overnight shipment of the correct manual, prepaid envelope for
the return and a promise to edit the web site to make it more intuitive.
SafeAir1: having obtained prepackaged pitot/AOA kits for the RV9 project I needed
a couple of bits and piece to customize the installation. When I called they
wanted to discuss my installation and get recommendations for resturcturing
their kits. As a result they are separating their two kits into three(pitot,static,
and AOA) rather than combining the pitot/static. My bits and pieces were
in the mail that day with a request that I drop a check in the mail sometime
soon.
These two venders are at the extremes of the size spectrum but they have the service
part of their business down right, but then they have not had to deal with
the challenges the Skystar has. Those who feel wronged won't care about my
feelings but I choose to believe that Skystar is trying to get it right. Gary
also chose to believe that Skystar was trying and would get it right.
John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Injection Concern |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Ok, put her in the air Dave and let me buy you some Taylor BBQ. Also, you
will surely want to see and touch my $17.85 per ft oil line.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> I called California Power Systems and they said "Something has to be
wrong," and "Those pumps are almost bullet proof". They wanted to know
about the filter for that system. He said "Take it apart, that outlet line
is plugged or something."
>
> I took it apart and behind the carb, the hose had a hole it. I repaired
it, sprayed a little oil in the cylinder while the pump filled the line and
now it works perfectly.
>
> Thanks for the help. This list is Great!!!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Sigrist<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist"
<psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>
>
> Dave,
> I would probably make the mix in my gas tank 50:1 and run the engine for
a
> while(an hour or more). Mark the oil level in the oil tank carefully,
and
> then see if that level has gone down. Then also look again at the small
> feeder lines to see if they are full of oil. Be sure to run premix until
you
> are absolutely sure that the engine is getting oil from the oil pump. I
> toasted a 582 a couple of years ago because of being stupid.
> pete
>
> > I bled the line that comes from the oil reservoir tank to the pump.
The
> lines I am concerned with are the ones that go from the pump to the
engine.
> One appears to be pumping oil, The other appears to be empty.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Injection Concern |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:21:22 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I'll be there ASAP. I still have to adjust my exhaust system(It hangs droopy),
Adjust my prop, (needs more pitch), adjust my throttle(adding oil injection changed
it a lot), and I don't know what else, but I'm gaining on it!!!!!
Dave S
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
Ok, put her in the air Dave and let me buy you some Taylor BBQ. Also, you
will surely want to see and touch my $17.85 per ft oil line.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>
> I called California Power Systems and they said "Something has to be
wrong," and "Those pumps are almost bullet proof". They wanted to know
about the filter for that system. He said "Take it apart, that outlet line
is plugged or something."
>
> I took it apart and behind the carb, the hose had a hole it. I repaired
it, sprayed a little oil in the cylinder while the pump filled the line and
now it works perfectly.
>
> Thanks for the help. This list is Great!!!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Sigrist<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist"
<psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>>
>
> Dave,
> I would probably make the mix in my gas tank 50:1 and run the engine for
a
> while(an hour or more). Mark the oil level in the oil tank carefully,
and
> then see if that level has gone down. Then also look again at the small
> feeder lines to see if they are full of oil. Be sure to run premix until
you
> are absolutely sure that the engine is getting oil from the oil pump. I
> toasted a 582 a couple of years ago because of being stupid.
> pete
>
> > I bled the line that comes from the oil reservoir tank to the pump.
The
> lines I am concerned with are the ones that go from the pump to the
engine.
> One appears to be pumping oil, The other appears to be empty.
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Gary
Make no mistake; you are some of the best! The words in this e-mail
can't adequately express my gratitude to you for your amazing generosity.
I would dearly love to be able to shank your hand or perhaps meet you some
where some day. You have truly brought my dream back to life. Please keep me
posted on your progress on your plane and if I can be of any service or
offer any advice on construction, don't hesitate to call me or e-mail me,
and please let me know when you receive your second engine because I still
won't feel right about this till you get it. Once again I truly truly thank
you and I hope we can someday meet.
Forever in your debt
Roger Mac
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Randall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Randall" <gryfz450@hotmail.com>
Hello Roger,
I talked to Crystal today, she stated SS will pickup the shipping charges.
Yes I am very serious about this. I dont see why this brand new engine
needs to set around collecting dust when it could be flying. I have meet
some of the best people in the world since I started my kit. The folks at
SS are some of the best. I believe in what Frank is trying to do and I just
plan dont feel that I am going to get hurt. The only thing I have BO from
SS is a Throttle Cable and the Lord Mount so if there is other things that I
have that you need to get your plane in the air let me know. We can work
this out with SS so they just mark you as delivered and me as BO. This will
help you see your dream come true and it will give SS just a little more
capital to get through this rough time. And it makes me feel good!
So lets put another 7 in the air!
Gary Randall
S7 hopefully in a year:)
>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:57:30 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
><rdmac@swbell.net>
>
>Hi Gary
> Did I understand you right? Have you talked to Frank about this?
>Are
>you sure you're willing to do that. I will name my plane after you if your
>will to do that. Where do live? What kind of shipping charge are we looking
>at? I would be willing to pay if SS won't. I can't believe this. I hope
>this
>is not some cruel joke.
> Roger
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Randall
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Randall" <gryfz450@hotmail.com>
>
>Hello Roger,
>I have a deal for you. I have a new 912S setting in my shop waiting to be
>installed, I got it from SS when I bought my S7 kit. I have fallen about a
>year behind in my building so I won't need my engine for atleast a year
>from
>
>now. I will give you my engine and take your spot on the list for another
>engine. SS will even cover the shipping! Hope this helps make your dream
>come through!
>Gary Randall
>S7 at least a yr from now.
>
>
> >From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
> >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:27:32 -0600
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
> ><rdmac@swbell.net>
> >
> >Attention Fellow Listers,
> >
> > It is with deep regret and sadness that I have decided to
>put
> >my
> >Model 7 up for sale. The sole reason I'm doing this is entirely do to the
> >fact that I will probable never see the Rotax engine I ordered for this
> >plane. Because of Sky Star's inability or unwillingness to fulfill there
> >obligations to this customer I am ready to give up on ever completing
>this
> >project. My desire to end this night mare relationship with SS is greater
> >than the desire to build and own this fine little plane. I feel I have
>been
> >given no other alternative. What SS has chosen to do is sacrifice the 19
>or
> >so customers waiting on engines in order to stay in business for the rest
> >of
> >there customers, period.
> >
> > If I can get what I feel I need to have for this plane then I will look
> >on
> >the internet for a good little C152. I might even be willing to trade for
>a
> >good C152 with a fairly low time engine and some where between 20 and 30
> >years old if it's in good shape. If anybody on the list is interested or
> >knows someone that might be in owning a Model 7 that is for the most part
> >80% to 85% complete and ready for a Rotax 912S engine, you can go to the
> >link below and see what I have to offer. I have made every effort to
>build
> >this plane exactly according to the manual and feel it will make someone
>a
> >heck of a good little airplane. Kind regards, and Happy Landings to All.
> >
> >
> > Roger Mac
> >
> >http://www.aerotraderonline.com/addetail.html?78025696
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airdale double tailspring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Marco,
I have...
The spring is longer than the original skystar double spring and is subject
to bending. I put one on our model 5 and it didn't last two weeks. It may be
ok on a model II because it is so much lighter.
Cliff
> Has anyone out there had experience with Airdale's double (Avid)
> tailspring on a Fox?
>
> Marco Menezes
> KF II N99KX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Paul sent this info...
"HI TODD this is my 4TH plane I built in last 7 yearsand I have used
continental lycoming and rotax in the previous 3 SO FAR the JABIRU
3300 is by far the best I would not hesitate to install it again smooth
running engine...."
This is just great info. And it suggests that the Jabiru (both 2200 and
3300) are opening up all sorts of possibilities for Kitfoxers. The whole
idea - as I see it - is to have a better performing, more economical, more
fun-to-fly plane than we could otherwise afford. And the list just helps us
decide what's right for us.
And I've just noticed a few new names popping up on the list which have not
been regulars but like me read and absorb but occasionally jump in with a
question. So on behalf of the "lurkers" thanks to all who keep the dialogue
going.
The weather in Central Europe is about as bad as it can be for flying with
reezing rain and wind. But it's pretty good for building so back to the
hangar...
Kerry
S5 builders helper.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Injection Concern |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Would that be the Toothless BBQ?...just up the road from Taylor? I just
HAD to stop there when I visited Taylor last summer. : )
Lynn
On Thursday, February 10, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> Ok, put her in the air Dave and let me buy you some Taylor BBQ.
> Also, you
> will surely want to see and touch my $17.85 per ft oil line.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
>> <david_savener@msn.com>
>>
>> I called California Power Systems and they said "Something has to be
> wrong," and "Those pumps are almost bullet proof". They wanted to know
> about the filter for that system. He said "Take it apart, that outlet
> line
> is plugged or something."
>>
>> I took it apart and behind the carb, the hose had a hole it. I
>> repaired
> it, sprayed a little oil in the cylinder while the pump filled the
> line and
> now it works perfectly.
>>
>> Thanks for the help. This list is Great!!!!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Pete Sigrist<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist"
> <psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>
>>
>> Dave,
>> I would probably make the mix in my gas tank 50:1 and run the
>> engine for
> a
>> while(an hour or more). Mark the oil level in the oil tank
>> carefully,
> and
>> then see if that level has gone down. Then also look again at the
>> small
>> feeder lines to see if they are full of oil. Be sure to run premix
>> until
> you
>> are absolutely sure that the engine is getting oil from the oil
>> pump. I
>> toasted a 582 a couple of years ago because of being stupid.
>> pete
>>
>>> I bled the line that comes from the oil reservoir tank to the pump.
> The
>> lines I am concerned with are the ones that go from the pump to the
> engine.
>> One appears to be pumping oil, The other appears to be empty.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
to get some facts.
Lynn
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| Subject: | another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I run a two blade 72" prop on my 582 and have never had a problem with the
fabric being beaten up
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Subject: Kitfox-List: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
to get some facts.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Wow, now you scare me, Lynn!
I have now finished my Jabiru installation and I have ordered the inspector to
come the first decent WX day of next week ... now I have to start worry about
harmonics in my tail! :-)
All I know is that there is a model IV, here in Norway, that has flown more
than 700 hours with a Jabiru 2200 and he just loves the engine.
About the lack of power, I don't expect to fly nor climb faster than with the
582. But then, that was not the purpose of my installation. If I wanted to fly
fast, I'd take any airliner! :-)
My reason for installing a Jabiru was this:
I am a novice and I know nearly nothing about aviation. To play safe, I wanted
the most common type of aircraft. I went for a taildragger Kitfox with big
tundra wheels because ... my father already flew similar planes before I was
even born. You can't go wrong for so many years. Likewise, it seems to me that
the Jabiru is pretty much the same engine technology used for more than half a
century. It can't be entirely wrong.
What is amusing, though, is that a Kitfox with a Jabiru has to fly under the
"experimental" rule. I don't see anything experimental in that, do you? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
> the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
> that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
> tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
> this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
> the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
> me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
> an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
> to get some facts.
>
> Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Lynn and Michel:
Perhaps the following will make you feel a little better about the Jabiru
setup. In the February, 2005 issue of EAA Sport Aviation Aviation is an
article written by Amy Laboda about glass cockpits. She mentioned in
passing that she didn't even keep a GPS receiver in her Model IV Kitfox, and
this reminded me of an article I read a few years ago about her and her
husband putting a Jabiru 2200 in their plane. I was curious about the
performance and their degree of satisfaction so I e-mailed her, and she was
gracious enough to respond promptly. She said their Model IV had an empty
weight of about 600 pounds, and at gross would climb at 1000 fpm. She said
it would cruise at 100 mph at 2900 rpm and at 85 mph at 2400 rpm.
Apparently they did not like the prop that came with the package, and are
now using a 2-blade Sensenich wooden prop. She said they had some problems
with overheating initially (apparently had one of the earlier models), but
this cleared up when they changed for newer cylinder heads with more cooling
fins. She said they were very satisfied with their setup and with the
service they got from the Jabiru dealer for the Southeastern U.S. I hope
this helps.
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: another Jabiru question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
> the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
> that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
> tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
> this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
> the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
> me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
> an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
> to get some facts.
>
> Lynn
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:22:33 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I believe you're referring to NO TEETH BBQ in Rockdale. Good Stuff!!!!!!!
Dave S.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Matteson<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>>
Would that be the Toothless BBQ?...just up the road from Taylor? I just
HAD to stop there when I visited Taylor last summer. : )
Lynn
On Thursday, February 10, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
>
> Ok, put her in the air Dave and let me buy you some Taylor BBQ.
> Also, you
> will surely want to see and touch my $17.85 per ft oil line.
>
> Jimmie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
>> <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>>
>> I called California Power Systems and they said "Something has to be
> wrong," and "Those pumps are almost bullet proof". They wanted to know
> about the filter for that system. He said "Take it apart, that outlet
> line
> is plugged or something."
>>
>> I took it apart and behind the carb, the hose had a hole it. I
>> repaired
> it, sprayed a little oil in the cylinder while the pump filled the
> line and
> now it works perfectly.
>>
>> Thanks for the help. This list is Great!!!!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Pete Sigrist<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist"
> <psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>>
>>
>> Dave,
>> I would probably make the mix in my gas tank 50:1 and run the
>> engine for
> a
>> while(an hour or more). Mark the oil level in the oil tank
>> carefully,
> and
>> then see if that level has gone down. Then also look again at the
>> small
>> feeder lines to see if they are full of oil. Be sure to run premix
>> until
> you
>> are absolutely sure that the engine is getting oil from the oil
>> pump. I
>> toasted a 582 a couple of years ago because of being stupid.
>> pete
>>
>>> I bled the line that comes from the oil reservoir tank to the pump.
> The
>> lines I am concerned with are the ones that go from the pump to the
> engine.
>> One appears to be pumping oil, The other appears to be empty.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Well, as you may know I fly a Jabiru 2200 on my Avid Mark IV. I have NEVER
heard the story about a two blade prop beating up fabric. Sounds like some
kind of an Urban Legend. As far as power goes...the engine flat gets it on.
Did you know that they used to make a 65 HP version? Perhaps this is the one
he's referring to.
Steve Cooper
Avid Mark IV
Jabiru/Tailwheel
N919SC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Subject: Kitfox-List: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
to get some facts.
Lynn
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:18:52 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
A comment on this one, I have the KFM 112 w/62hp engine which is where the Jabiru
originated. It runs real nice using a two blade woody and the story you heard
about the fabric is - well-. I am sure if someone had that experience it was
the fabric job that was the problem and not the engine. So don't believe it
was the engine. The Jabiru is a fine engine, you can't beat it and with a 2,000
hour TBO that's a lot of flying.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Cooper<mailto:spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net<mailto:spdrflyr@earthlink.net>>
Well, as you may know I fly a Jabiru 2200 on my Avid Mark IV. I have NEVER
heard the story about a two blade prop beating up fabric. Sounds like some
kind of an Urban Legend. As far as power goes...the engine flat gets it on.
Did you know that they used to make a 65 HP version? Perhaps this is the one
he's referring to.
Steve Cooper
Avid Mark IV
Jabiru/Tailwheel
N919SC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>>
I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
to get some facts.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Injection Concern/door latch |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
That's the name! I had to go look at the pictures that I took when
passing through Rockdale a few months back. I went through there about
6 in the morning, saw their sign out front, and turned around and took
a picture...(I have a friend who doesn't wear his teeth, and he got a
big charge out of the picture.) Later that day, I was coming back
through Rockdale and stopped and got a BBQ to go...you're right, it WAS
good stuff.
And by the way, David, I just finished my double-pin door latch
installation, and it works great. Your pictures helped a lot. The door
feels really secure, and I'm glad that I did it this way, but it WAS a
lot of work.
Lynn
On Friday, February 11, 2005, at 07:22 PM, David Savener wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
> <david_savener@msn.com>
>
> I believe you're referring to NO TEETH BBQ in Rockdale. Good
> Stuff!!!!!!!
>
>
> Dave S.
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynn Matteson<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> <lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>>
>
> Would that be the Toothless BBQ?...just up the road from Taylor? I
> just
> HAD to stop there when I visited Taylor last summer. : )
>
> Lynn
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
>> <jablackwell@ev1.net<mailto:jablackwell@ev1.net>>
>>
>> Ok, put her in the air Dave and let me buy you some Taylor BBQ.
>> Also, you
>> will surely want to see and touch my $17.85 per ft oil line.
>>
>> Jimmie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Savener"
>> <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener"
>>> <david_savener@msn.com<mailto:david_savener@msn.com>>
>>>
>>> I called California Power Systems and they said "Something has to be
>> wrong," and "Those pumps are almost bullet proof". They wanted to
>> know
>> about the filter for that system. He said "Take it apart, that outlet
>> line
>> is plugged or something."
>>>
>>> I took it apart and behind the carb, the hose had a hole it. I
>>> repaired
>> it, sprayed a little oil in the cylinder while the pump filled the
>> line and
>> now it works perfectly.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help. This list is Great!!!!!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Pete
>>> Sigrist<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net>>
>>> To:
>>> kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-
>>> list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-
>>> list@matronics.com>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil Injection Concern
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Sigrist"
>> <psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mailto:psigrist@cox.net<mail
>> to:psigrist@cox.net>>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I would probably make the mix in my gas tank 50:1 and run the
>>> engine for
>> a
>>> while(an hour or more). Mark the oil level in the oil tank
>>> carefully,
>> and
>>> then see if that level has gone down. Then also look again at the
>>> small
>>> feeder lines to see if they are full of oil. Be sure to run premix
>>> until
>> you
>>> are absolutely sure that the engine is getting oil from the oil
>>> pump. I
>>> toasted a 582 a couple of years ago because of being stupid.
>>> pete
>>>
>>>> I bled the line that comes from the oil reservoir tank to the pump.
>> The
>>> lines I am concerned with are the ones that go from the pump to the
>> engine.
>>> One appears to be pumping oil, The other appears to be empty.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
On Friday, February 11, 2005, at 05:39 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Wow, now you scare me, Lynn!
> I have now finished my Jabiru installation and I have ordered the
> inspector to
> come the first decent WX day of next week ... now I have to start
> worry about
> harmonics in my tail! :-)
Sorry, Michel, don't fear on what I've brought up. I've followed with
great interest your saga with the Jabiru engine and cowl modifications,
and was really happy when I read of your taxi tests, and your pleasure
with your new engine. I look forward to hearing about all news of your
installation.
> I am a novice and I know nearly nothing about aviation. To play safe,
> I wanted
> the most common type of aircraft. I went for a taildragger Kitfox with
> big
> tundra wheels because ... my father already flew similar planes before
> I was
> even born. You can't go wrong for so many years. Likewise, it seems to
> me that
> the Jabiru is pretty much the same engine technology used for more
> than half a
> century. It can't be entirely wrong.
> What is amusing, though, is that a Kitfox with a Jabiru has to fly
> under the
> "experimental" rule. I don't see anything experimental in that, do
> you? :-)
Like you, I'm a rookie in this business, having only 19 hours toward my
Sport Pilot license, but an avid builder. I just get nervous when I
hear these negative stories about an engine that I'd really like to
use. I love the idea of air-cooled, direct drive, and low engine rpm's.
If low power is the only issue, then it's a no-brainer for me...Jabiru
power for my plane.
Lynn
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
>> the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
>> that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
>> tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
>> this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
>> the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
>> me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
>> an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
>> to get some facts.
>>
>> Lynn
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks to all who have chimed in....you're all helping me make a very
big decision regarding engine choice. I've still got a ways to go yet,
so there's plenty of time for me to get cold feet all over again.
Regarding the propellor....Jabiru's site shows only the wooden 2-blade
of 68" max size to be used with the 2200. I wonder if that new
Sensenich prop that was referred to in the newest EAA hotline would be
a possible choice. It is supposed to be for the Rotax 912 or 914, is a
hollow...carbon fiber...low inertia prop.
That last part, "low inertia" may be the key phrase. It seems like I've
heard that the Jabiru needs a (heavier) wooden prop to dampen out some
pulses, or harmonics or something....perhaps for the flywheel effect.
Trouble is I can't recall where I've heard all these "rumors". Maybe I
need to contact Jabiru and get these questions answered first-hand.
Lynn
On Friday, February 11, 2005, at 05:42 PM, Steve Cooper wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Well, as you may know I fly a Jabiru 2200 on my Avid Mark IV. I have
> NEVER
> heard the story about a two blade prop beating up fabric. Sounds like
> some
> kind of an Urban Legend. As far as power goes...the engine flat gets
> it on.
> Did you know that they used to make a 65 HP version? Perhaps this is
> the one
> he's referring to.
>
> Steve Cooper
> Avid Mark IV
> Jabiru/Tailwheel
> N919SC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: another Jabiru question
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I recently talked to a Kitfox veteran, who told me to steer away from
> the Jabiru 2200, because of two things....lack of power, and the fact
> that the 2200 uses a 2-bladed prop, and the harmonics of that prop
> tends to beat up the fabric at the rear of the fuselage. I took all
> this with a grain of salt or two, thinking I would check to see what
> the group thinks. I've never heard this theory before, and it bothers
> me, because I really wanted to go with that engine when I'm ready for
> an engine. I'm not trying to restart the Jabiru/Rotax war, just trying
> to get some facts.
>
> Lynn
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Not related to the engine decision questions being talked about, but would
one of the Jabiru engine owners tell me what type of metal is used in the
oil drain plug hole. I purchased a quick drain for my engine which is of
aluminum. The drain plug is made for the Jabiru.
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
The oil drain hole is a drilled and threaded boss on the side of the oil
pan. It's aluminum. I read about a guy stripping his out prior to my
purchase, so I've been very careful with mine. I bring it up snug and then I
safety wire it. No leaks.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Not related to the engine decision questions being talked about, but would
one of the Jabiru engine owners tell me what type of metal is used in the
oil drain plug hole. I purchased a quick drain for my engine which is of
aluminum. The drain plug is made for the Jabiru.
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Are you saying you bought the wrong unit? If you're stuck with it I'll be
glad to buy it from you. How much?
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
The oil drain hole is a drilled and threaded boss on the side of the oil
pan. It's aluminum. I read about a guy stripping his out prior to my
purchase, so I've been very careful with mine. I bring it up snug and then I
safety wire it. No leaks.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Not related to the engine decision questions being talked about, but would
one of the Jabiru engine owners tell me what type of metal is used in the
oil drain plug hole. I purchased a quick drain for my engine which is of
aluminum. The drain plug is made for the Jabiru.
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
No, it is the right one for the Jabiru. It is the 1/2"-20 model #S5020J for
the 2200 and 3300. I purchased it from skyranch at www.sacskyranch.com. I
like their willingness to give good info and honest opinions as well as sell
products. This one just happen to fit my drain hole. Look em up and make
sure you get the one for your engine. I also purchased some oil sample kits
to track this new engine.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Are you saying you bought the wrong unit? If you're stuck with it I'll be
glad to buy it from you. How much?
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
The oil drain hole is a drilled and threaded boss on the side of the oil
pan. It's aluminum. I read about a guy stripping his out prior to my
purchase, so I've been very careful with mine. I bring it up snug and then I
safety wire it. No leaks.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Not related to the engine decision questions being talked about, but would
one of the Jabiru engine owners tell me what type of metal is used in the
oil drain plug hole. I purchased a quick drain for my engine which is of
aluminum. The drain plug is made for the Jabiru.
Rick
Message 23
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
OK...sounds good. I'm glad you've got what you need.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
No, it is the right one for the Jabiru. It is the 1/2"-20 model #S5020J for
the 2200 and 3300. I purchased it from skyranch at www.sacskyranch.com. I
like their willingness to give good info and honest opinions as well as sell
products. This one just happen to fit my drain hole. Look em up and make
sure you get the one for your engine. I also purchased some oil sample kits
to track this new engine.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Are you saying you bought the wrong unit? If you're stuck with it I'll be
glad to buy it from you. How much?
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
The oil drain hole is a drilled and threaded boss on the side of the oil
pan. It's aluminum. I read about a guy stripping his out prior to my
purchase, so I've been very careful with mine. I bring it up snug and then I
safety wire it. No leaks.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Not related to the engine decision questions being talked about, but would
one of the Jabiru engine owners tell me what type of metal is used in the
oil drain plug hole. I purchased a quick drain for my engine which is of
aluminum. The drain plug is made for the Jabiru.
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hello Roger,
>I have a deal for you. I have a new 912S setting in my shop waiting to be
>installed, I got it from SS when I bought my S7 kit. I have fallen about a
>year behind in my building so I won't need my engine for atleast a year
I know everyone one else has thanked you Gary but I have to as well. This
is an unbelievable offer and I'm also pleased for Roger. This also shows the
value of the list. Let's all try to be such decent human beings. So far I
think Gary is the only one.
It's really great to see Kitfoxer's sticking together.
Congratulations, Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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