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1. 06:30 AM - Re: Re motor (Donna and Roger McConnell)
2. 09:07 AM - Another Engine Choice. (Norm Beauchamp)
3. 09:11 AM - Re: Re motor (Norm Beauchamp)
4. 10:51 AM - Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question (Michel Verheughe)
5. 10:53 AM - Off-Topic. No fear. WAS another Jabiru question (Michel Verheughe)
6. 10:58 AM - Off-topic. Flying lady. WAS another Jabiru question (Michel Verheughe)
7. 11:06 AM - Re: Fw: KF7 For Sale (John Larsen)
8. 11:23 AM - Pitch/prop-angle/rpm (David Savener)
9. 11:49 AM - Re: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question (Steve Cooper)
10. 11:50 AM - [ Michael Gibbs ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
11. 11:53 AM - Re: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question (Steve Cooper)
12. 12:12 PM - Re: Prop to Jabiru. (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:21 PM - Re: Prop to Jabiru. (Steve Cooper)
14. 01:42 PM - Tach failure (Marco Menezes)
15. 02:10 PM - Norwegian PAX. WAS Prop to Jabiru. (Michel Verheughe)
16. 03:23 PM - antifreeze (Fox5flyer)
17. 03:35 PM - Re: antifreeze (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
18. 03:47 PM - Re: antifreeze (greg edson)
19. 04:10 PM - Re: Fw: KF7 For Sale (Greaves)
20. 04:10 PM - Re: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question (Jose M. Toro)
21. 05:03 PM - Re: Fw: KF7 For Sale (tony fiacco)
22. 06:49 PM - Re: Another Engine Choice. (Rick)
23. 06:52 PM - Re: [ Michael Gibbs ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Rick)
24. 06:55 PM - Re: antifreeze (dwight purdy)
25. 07:00 PM - Re: antifreeze (Rick)
26. 07:48 PM - Re: antifreeze (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
27. 07:53 PM - Re: antifreeze (Jeff Smathers)
28. 08:17 PM - Re: antifreeze (John Perry)
29. 11:26 PM - Re: antifreeze (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Rex,
You are absolutely correct. I knew this list was of great value for
builders and fliers but now for me this list has been of unimaginable value.
This list and the generosity of Gary kept me from making a big mistake. I
can never take sole credit for finishing my plane with out giving credit to
this list and the people that are on it.
Roger Mac
S7/(Gary's)912S flying in '05, it could happen.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex & Jan Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re motor
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hello Roger,
>I have a deal for you. I have a new 912S setting in my shop waiting to be
>installed, I got it from SS when I bought my S7 kit. I have fallen about a
>year behind in my building so I won't need my engine for atleast a year
I know everyone one else has thanked you Gary but I have to as well. This
is an unbelievable offer and I'm also pleased for Roger. This also shows the
value of the list. Let's all try to be such decent human beings. So far I
think Gary is the only one.
It's really great to see Kitfoxer's sticking together.
Congratulations, Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Another Engine Choice. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Some time ago one of the fellows who was on the Kitfox list at that time
mentioned the Corvair engine and the web site. I was already into my
project with a Subaru EA-81 wishing I had considered the Corvair after
checking it out. After I started flying with the Subaru engine I found
a Corvair engine. Shortly after I discovered a problem with the PSRU on
the EA-81 in my Series 5. I had 32 hrs. on my initial 40. My thought
was to build the Corvair engine while flying with the EA-81, but that
has all changed now. Rather than purchase another PSRU (prop speed
reduction unit) which now cost almost as much as building up an engine,
I am going with the Corvair. Going here
> www.FlyCorvair.com - Home of the Recognized Authority on Corvair
> Powered Flight <http://www.flycorvair.com/>
and looking for yourself is much better than me trying to tell you about
it. So far I have noticed one or two Foxers who are interested. I've
sent a firewall layout to WW hoping he will have time to look at it to
get an idea of how to attach the engine to my fire wall. He's pretty
busy. Anyway for your consideration. Norm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Gary I'll just say DITTOS to all the other well deserved remarks. Norm
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> That last part, "low inertia" may be the key phrase.
Lynn, I have a Jabiru 60 x 38 prop on my Kitfox 3. It is what was recommended
by my Norwegian dealer. Today I have finished the engine installation and I
went for a few high-speed taxi on the runway. It was slightly snowing and no
one was flying so I had the runway all for myself.
I am so pleased, all the figures are right on the spot, my CG right in the
middle, the plane feels light, the tail lifts easily, very little need to
correct yaw with the right pedal (CW prop!) and the engine hums nicely and
evenly. I have now ordered the inspector for Tuesday, the first decent WX day
on the forecast, and we will then take the plane up for some tests.
So far, I can't say anything about my prop, other than it feels good on the
ground. I have also heard that the Jab should have a wooden prop as carbon
fiber might just disintegrate due to the direct drive and harmonic vibration,
as you say.
I can't give you any advice nor do I want to, I know nothing about prop and
engine tuning. But the Norwegian agent has made some prop tests on a Kitfox (in
fact, Morten's Kitfox that I saw last summer) and here are the results. He uses
a Warp Drive.
http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm
(scroll down for the Kitfox test).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Off-Topic. No fear. WAS another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Sorry, Michel, don't fear on what I've brought up.
No problem, Lynn, there was a smiley after my leading sentence! :-)
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Off-topic. Flying lady. WAS another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Clem Nichols wrote:
> In the February, 2005 issue of EAA Sport Aviation Aviation is an
> article written by Amy Laboda about glass cockpits. She mentioned in
> passing that she didn't even keep a GPS receiver in her Model IV Kitfox
Hey! That's my kind of gal, Clem! I'd marry her but I don't think my wife will
agree! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: KF7 For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hi gang;
I want to mention my opinions after being in and a part of the kit plane
scene for the past 15 years and having designed my own plane. In
addition. I have worked for SS at one time, and worked for and or with 4
other companies. I think everyone should look at the history of single
engine propeller driven aircraft.
Time has proven that there is no money in building single engine
propellor driven aircraft in the long haul.
There was a time when SS was selling 50 planes a month where according
to Phil Reed the company was making an $250,000 a month profit. That was
when the folding wing aircraft was enjoying the popularity that Van's
RV is having now. Phil Reed is said to have paid many millions of
dollars for SS. SS rarely made a profit after Phil bought the co. and
according to a past co president, who shall remain nameless, when Frank
and the other current owners bought the co. they paid a lot more for it
than it was worth at that time Judging by this fact, the new owners
undoubtedly went into the company 'upside down' investment wise,
therefore there was little promise that the company would make any money
unless the good times came back.
The situation seems to be this, when a kit company has a surge of
popularity like RV and a handful of others have now, then money can be
made, but since the airplane buyer seems to be often driven by emotion
rather than common sense, the market remains fickle. This is specially
true for experimental aircraft as they are for pleasure only.
Certification does not make the difference, as think of all the fine
names like Stinson, Aerocoup, and countless others who had to go out of
business. Judging by the fact that Piper has declared bankruptcy several
times, and Mooney has just re emerged from bankruptcy proceedings it
soon becomes obvious that almost all single engine aircraft
manufacturers seem to get into so much debt that they have to declare
bankruptcy to get out of debt and start over.
Now I admire Frank and the others at SS for trying to work themselves
out of this situation. I know several SS people personally and If you
notice the articles I have written about SS have all been positive. I
regretfully express my opinion, but about the only way SS will survive
is to declare bankruptcy and start over.
Richard Hutson wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
>
>I HAVE PERMISSION FROM CRYSTAL TO FORWARD THE EMAIL TO THE LIST.
>After I got this email, I called Crystal to see what's up. From the
>conversation, neither Crystal or Frank are happy about what has transpired.
>there are people who have gotten their engines, they started with oldest
>first, which is the way it should be.
>Its seems that all of the investors want one thing before investing in
>Skystar "FILE BANKRUPTCY AND START OVER". Skystar refuses to do this, their
>goal is to work thru this and give every customer what is due to them.
>Crystal also stated they are attempting to secure loans to pay for the past
>due parts.
>In talking with her, I ask to have Frank get on this list and let everyone
>where things are and what the plans are for the future. If he could take a
>few minutes each week to post an update on the company, I think this would
>negate some the problems.
>Two closing comments, (1) I could tell by Crystal voice the frustration she
>feels about this problem. (2)If someone hires a lawyer to go after Skystar,
>that will put them into Bankruptcy simply because they do have the capital
>to fight a legal battle. Everyone waiting lost parts would lose and the
>investors would win.
>
>These are my personal thoughts after speaking to Crystal and I am in no way
>contected to Skystar.
>Crystal,s email follows.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Crystal Loveland" <crystalr@skystar.com>
>To: "Richard Hutson" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
>
>
>Richard,
>
>I will forward this to Frank and see what we can come up with.
>I see that someone has already posted our response that we put out
>for Kitplanes Magazine. We are trying our best to work our way out of
>an unfortunate situation and to take care of all the engine customers.
>However,
>it has not been an easy task most investors are wanting us to take out
>bankruptcy
>which we are not willing to do. I see a lot of talk on the list about
>lawyers and that makes me sad because all that will do is force us into
>a bankruptcy
>which is not what Frank and I want to. We want to supply everyone with
>everything
>that we owe them without going through what many of the other company's
>in this
>industry have done. We are open to suggestions if any one has any ideas
>to help speed
>this process along faster without putting us into bankruptcy.
>I am saddened by Rogers decision to sell his Kitfox as I have spoke with
>him numerous
>times and have tried to tell him to hang in there that hopefully it will
>not be much longer
>I understand his frustration and I hope that everyone understands that
>this is frustrating
>for us also.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Hutson [mailto:rhutson@midsouth.rr.com]
>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>Subject: Fw: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
>
>
>Crystal, you might want to address this on the kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>list. Mr McConnell seems to be an unhappy customer.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: KF7 For Sale
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>><rdmac@swbell.net>
>>
>>Attention Fellow Listers,
>>
>> It is with deep regret and sadness that I have decided to
>>put
>>my
>>Model 7 up for sale. The sole reason I'm doing this is entirely do to
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>fact that I will probable never see the Rotax engine I ordered for
>>
>>
>this
>
>
>>plane. Because of Sky Star's inability or unwillingness to fulfill
>>
>>
>there
>
>
>>obligations to this customer I am ready to give up on ever completing
>>
>>
>this
>
>
>>project. My desire to end this night mare relationship with SS is
>>
>>
>greater
>
>
>>than the desire to build and own this fine little plane. I feel I have
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>been
>>given no other alternative. What SS has chosen to do is sacrifice the
>>
>>
>19
>
>
>>or
>>so customers waiting on engines in order to stay in business for the
>>
>>
>rest
>
>
>>of
>>there customers, period.
>>
>>If I can get what I feel I need to have for this plane then I will
>>look on the internet for a good little C152. I might even be willing
>>to trade for a good C152 with a fairly low time engine and some where
>>between 20 and 30 years old if it's in good shape. If anybody on the
>>list is interested or knows someone that might be in owning a Model 7
>>that is for the most part 80% to 85% complete and ready for a Rotax
>>912S engine, you can go to the link below and see what I have to
>>offer. I have made every effort to build this plane exactly according
>>to the manual and feel it will make someone a heck of a good little
>>airplane. Kind regards, and Happy Landings to All.
>>
>>
>> Roger Mac
>>
>>http://www.aerotraderonline.com/addetail.html?78025696
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pitch/prop-angle/rpm |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:18:20 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
I installed my 68 inch diameter 3 blade GSC prop on my 582 with a 3.0 to 1 reduction
model C gearbox. My GSC Prop broshure says I should have a 12.75 degree
prop angle to give me a 36 inch pitch. I tied the tail to my Nissan and WOW!
I saw the RPM go past 7000 rpm once(Nearly paniced). I thought that setting
would give me close to 6200 rpm static rpm. So I re-pitched it to 14 degrees
and I'm still getting 6800 rpm still tied to my old Nissan. Is it OK to go
up to 20 degrees or more to get that static rpm down to 6200? Around what prop
angle do I run into the law of diminishing returns. ie more prop angle-less
lift?
Oh yea! I am measuring the prop angle at 25.5 inches from the center of the prop
hub which is 75% of the 34 inch length of one blade.
Dave S.
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| Subject: | Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hey Michael...do a little detective work. Your Norwegian dealer was involved
with a prop test supported by Warp Drive. The result of the study was that
the 68" Warp was the best prop for the Fox and Jabiru combination. I'm a
little surprised he recommended a 60 incher. Seems a little short. A 68"
diameter prop at 3300 rpm is only 85% of supersonic. The test results were
postede to the web but I have lost the link. You should be able to google
the site with a little creative text. Would you let us know what you find if
you choose to persue this? I'd be very interested if they have changed their
minds about the study. I purchased a warp for mine with the new Jabiru hub.
Thanks,
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> That last part, "low inertia" may be the key phrase.
Lynn, I have a Jabiru 60 x 38 prop on my Kitfox 3. It is what was
recommended
by my Norwegian dealer. Today I have finished the engine installation and I
went for a few high-speed taxi on the runway. It was slightly snowing and no
one was flying so I had the runway all for myself.
I am so pleased, all the figures are right on the spot, my CG right in the
middle, the plane feels light, the tail lifts easily, very little need to
correct yaw with the right pedal (CW prop!) and the engine hums nicely and
evenly. I have now ordered the inspector for Tuesday, the first decent WX
day
on the forecast, and we will then take the plane up for some tests.
So far, I can't say anything about my prop, other than it feels good on the
ground. I have also heard that the Jab should have a wooden prop as carbon
fiber might just disintegrate due to the direct drive and harmonic
vibration,
as you say.
I can't give you any advice nor do I want to, I know nothing about prop and
engine tuning. But the Norwegian agent has made some prop tests on a Kitfox
(in
fact, Morten's Kitfox that I saw last summer) and here are the results. He
uses
a Warp Drive.
http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm
(scroll down for the Kitfox test).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | [ Michael Gibbs ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Duhhhh! :) Sorry Michael. I should have read the rest of your post. Yep,
that's the study I was referring to. I talked to Darryl at Warp extensively
about de-lamination. He said it's Urban Legend. I don't know. You hear so
many different ideas it's easy to be come confused.
By the way, I have a question. What was your max
RPM with that prop. Were you able to throttle it up that far?
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hey Michael...do a little detective work. Your Norwegian dealer was involved
with a prop test supported by Warp Drive. The result of the study was that
the 68" Warp was the best prop for the Fox and Jabiru combination. I'm a
little surprised he recommended a 60 incher. Seems a little short. A 68"
diameter prop at 3300 rpm is only 85% of supersonic. The test results were
postede to the web but I have lost the link. You should be able to google
the site with a little creative text. Would you let us know what you find if
you choose to persue this? I'd be very interested if they have changed their
minds about the study. I purchased a warp for mine with the new Jabiru hub.
Thanks,
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> That last part, "low inertia" may be the key phrase.
Lynn, I have a Jabiru 60 x 38 prop on my Kitfox 3. It is what was
recommended
by my Norwegian dealer. Today I have finished the engine installation and I
went for a few high-speed taxi on the runway. It was slightly snowing and no
one was flying so I had the runway all for myself.
I am so pleased, all the figures are right on the spot, my CG right in the
middle, the plane feels light, the tail lifts easily, very little need to
correct yaw with the right pedal (CW prop!) and the engine hums nicely and
evenly. I have now ordered the inspector for Tuesday, the first decent WX
day
on the forecast, and we will then take the plane up for some tests.
So far, I can't say anything about my prop, other than it feels good on the
ground. I have also heard that the Jab should have a wooden prop as carbon
fiber might just disintegrate due to the direct drive and harmonic
vibration,
as you say.
I can't give you any advice nor do I want to, I know nothing about prop and
engine tuning. But the Norwegian agent has made some prop tests on a Kitfox
(in
fact, Morten's Kitfox that I saw last summer) and here are the results. He
uses
a Warp Drive.
http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm
(scroll down for the Kitfox test).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Prop to Jabiru. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Cooper wrote:
> You hear so many different ideas it's easy to be come confused.
I agree to that, Steve. The tested Kitfox has a Warp Drive yet the dealer
recommended me a Jabiru prop. BTW, Morten (the Kitfox owner) and Paul (the
Jabiru agent) are good friends and share the same hangar at Stavanger-Sola
airport. But I am too young (aviation-wise, of course! :-) to experiment and a
fixed picth wooden prop is good enough for me.
> By the way, I have a question. What was your max
> RPM with that prop. Were you able to throttle it up that far?
Today, with 0 degrees C OAT, in a short burst, I came to nearly 2,900 static.
The idle was a nice 900 RPM.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Thanks for the information Michael. I have written Paul Garstad and asked
him about the potential de-lamination issue. Thanks much for the feedback. I
don't know your aviation rules...will you have to "fly off" some kind of a
test phase before you can take passengers?
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop to Jabiru.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Cooper wrote:
> You hear so many different ideas it's easy to be come confused.
I agree to that, Steve. The tested Kitfox has a Warp Drive yet the dealer
recommended me a Jabiru prop. BTW, Morten (the Kitfox owner) and Paul (the
Jabiru agent) are good friends and share the same hangar at Stavanger-Sola
airport. But I am too young (aviation-wise, of course! :-) to experiment and
a
fixed picth wooden prop is good enough for me.
> By the way, I have a question. What was your max
> RPM with that prop. Were you able to throttle it up that far?
Today, with 0 degrees C OAT, in a short burst, I came to nearly 2,900
static.
The idle was a nice 900 RPM.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Ok! So I roll Lola out of the barn, fuel 'er up, check for leaks (none!) then crank
her 582 for the very first time, ever. It starts almost immediately! Following
the Rotax run-up procedure, I hold it at 3500 rpm for 5 min. No problem,
but man that prop wash is COLD. Then, when I go to step up to 5000, tach drops
to zero and stays there. Now clueless as to rpms, I shut er down.
I recalled having read a service bulliten applicable to my s/n recommending removal
of stator-mounted resistor, rewiring it and installing a new resistor in
the gray wire from the lighting circuit to the Aviasport tach (T8K12E). I've now
re-read that bulliten several times.
So my question is, what now? Presumably, the stator-mounted resistor has failed.
Did this also kill the tach? Do I really have to rewire the stator to solve
this or will replacement of tach with a new in-line resistor do it? I'd rather
not pull the engine and would appreciate any advice you 582 flyers out there
might have.
Thanks. Marco Menezes
KF 2 N99KX
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| Subject: | Norwegian PAX. WAS Prop to Jabiru. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Cooper wrote:
> I don't know your aviation rules...will you have to "fly off" some kind of a
> test phase before you can take passengers?
Although my Kitfox was built under the Experimental rule, needing a PPL-A
license (as Torgeir's Kitfox) mine was later registered as a Microlight because
the model 3 can fly with a MTOW of 450 kg.
In Norway, as - I think - in most European countries, the microlight/ultralight
rule is not governed by the national aviation authorities but by the local "air
sport" ones, just like gliders, ballooners and sky divers.
Our microlight rule says that, with a new engine, the aircraft needs a new
"Aircraft Test Report," which has to be done with an inspector. The said report
consists of different tests such as stall straight, with and without power,
stall at 30 degrees bank, etc.
When that is done, I will get again my airworthiness certificate. Since we are
close to my annual inspection date, it will be done jointly.
For passengers, once you get that license (which requires a minimum of 50 hours
flight and a theory test) you can fly with a passenger as long as you have at
least two hours flight and 5 landings in the past month. Since my plane was
grounded on the 27th of November, I'll need to fly a couple of hours before I
can take a passenger. ... not a problem! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive ... unless you're Norwegian and consider a microlight license! :-)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I've just pulled my radiator to clean the bugs out of it and before
reinstalling and putting new anti-freeze in it I was wondering if any on the
list have input on what is the best type to use with an aluminum engine.
How often is considered optimum for changing it out? Can it be changed too
often?
All opinions welcome!
Deke
S5/NSI/CAP
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes:
I've just pulled my radiator to clean the bugs out of it and before
reinstalling and putting new anti-freeze in it I was wondering if any on the
list have input on what is the best type to use with an aluminum engine.
How often is considered optimum for changing it out? Can it be changed too
often?
All opinions welcome!
Deke
Deke,
I use the "orange" Havoline Dex Cool even thou I've read some bad things
about it. I change it at least once a year and most the time, twice. Every
time the weather goes from hot to cold and again back from cold to hot. I
normally increased the water content for the summer months from 50/50 to 70/30
(water/antifreeze).
I welcome a good discussion on this topic. What about the Dex Cool for
GM engines? It meets all the criteria for alum engines but have read where
the stuff has caused problems in GM engines. On the other hand, the stuff
would sit a lot longer in a GM car than in my Fox.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: greg edson <gedsons@yahoo.com>
i believe the safest antifreeze to use would be the stuff honda motorcycle dealers
sell for goldwings, etc. when goldwing owners put automotive antifreeze in
their bikes they start tearing up water pumps and other expensive bits. the honda
antifreeze does not include the silicates that some antifreeze manufacturers
boast about in their advertising. silicates are basically sand that blasts
the cooling system clean internally. unfortunately it also blasts softer metals.
i would change it once per year. please dispose of it properly, it is harmful
to living creatures.
Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Fox5flyer"
I've just pulled my radiator to clean the bugs out of it and before
reinstalling and putting new anti-freeze in it I was wondering if any on the
list have input on what is the best type to use with an aluminum engine.
How often is considered optimum for changing it out? Can it be changed too
often?
All opinions welcome!
Deke
S5/NSI/CAP
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| Subject: | Re: KF7 For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves" <tenorio41@comcast.net>
It is quite easy to express the opinion that they should declare bankruptcy
and start over when you are looking back at your experiences with SS. It is
not as acceptable of an idea for those of us who have payed up but are still
waiting for delivery. The thought of bankruptcy is immoral, wrong, and
screws people who hold faith in SS during tough times. I am convinced that
(fortunately), those at SS are trying to honor their obligations to those
whom they owe kits/product rather than give in to the sleeze escape of
bankruptcy.
Wade
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| Subject: | Re: Prop to Jabiru. WAS: another Jabiru question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
This sounds exciting! Tuesday will be the "great day".
The prop I got is Sensenich 62x40...will see....
More questions:
What your planes' new weight?
Is it the battery located right behind the seat?
How many gallons of gas is your maximum?
Saludos y xito el martes!!!
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> That last part, "low inertia" may be the key phrase.
Lynn, I have a Jabiru 60 x 38 prop on my Kitfox 3. It is what was recommended
by my Norwegian dealer. Today I have finished the engine installation and I
went for a few high-speed taxi on the runway. It was slightly snowing and no
one was flying so I had the runway all for myself.
I am so pleased, all the figures are right on the spot, my CG right in the
middle, the plane feels light, the tail lifts easily, very little need to
correct yaw with the right pedal (CW prop!) and the engine hums nicely and
evenly. I have now ordered the inspector for Tuesday, the first decent WX day
on the forecast, and we will then take the plane up for some tests.
So far, I can't say anything about my prop, other than it feels good on the
ground. I have also heard that the Jab should have a wooden prop as carbon
fiber might just disintegrate due to the direct drive and harmonic vibration,
as you say.
I can't give you any advice nor do I want to, I know nothing about prop and
engine tuning. But the Norwegian agent has made some prop tests on a Kitfox (in
fact, Morten's Kitfox that I saw last summer) and here are the results. He uses
a Warp Drive.
http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm
(scroll down for the Kitfox test).
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: KF7 For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: tony fiacco <amfiacco@yahoo.com>
im still waiting on landing gear and wheels for my 7, will someone that has faith
in SS give me theirs? ive been on the list of "yours are coming this month"
for 3 months now.
Greaves <tenorio41@comcast.net> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Greaves"
It is quite easy to express the opinion that they should declare bankruptcy
and start over when you are looking back at your experiences with SS. It is
not as acceptable of an idea for those of us who have payed up but are still
waiting for delivery. The thought of bankruptcy is immoral, wrong, and
screws people who hold faith in SS during tough times. I am convinced that
(fortunately), those at SS are trying to honor their obligations to those
whom they owe kits/product rather than give in to the sleeze escape of
bankruptcy.
Wade
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| Subject: | Another Engine Choice. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Before I get shot at just remember this is my opinion and I am no expert.
But, any engine that uses a crankshaft that was designed for an automobile
in an aircraft application is headed for trouble. If the torsional load end
of the crank doesn't have some type of torsional dampening device, be it a
belt reduction drive , gear drive, something to take the prop load, its not
a good thing. Take a look at the load end of any aircraft crank and you will
see a very large long bearing journal. They know what type of loads it will
be subjected to. I am not saying the covair engine is not a good engine,
especially ones reworked by these folks, however, the torsional load issue
needs be addressed in some manner. I don't want to spend a lot of time
defending my opinion just want those interested in any direct drive set up
to do the home work first. Might take a peek at this write up.
http://www.nsiaero.com/nsiaero2/4.0/4.1/4.1.1/4.1.1.7/4.1.1.7.1/4.1.1.7.1.ht
m
Good luck
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Norm
Beauchamp
Subject: Kitfox-List: Another Engine Choice.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Some time ago one of the fellows who was on the Kitfox list at that time
mentioned the Corvair engine and the web site. I was already into my
project with a Subaru EA-81 wishing I had considered the Corvair after
checking it out. After I started flying with the Subaru engine I found
a Corvair engine. Shortly after I discovered a problem with the PSRU on
the EA-81 in my Series 5. I had 32 hrs. on my initial 40. My thought
was to build the Corvair engine while flying with the EA-81, but that
has all changed now. Rather than purchase another PSRU (prop speed
reduction unit) which now cost almost as much as building up an engine,
I am going with the Corvair. Going here
> www.FlyCorvair.com - Home of the Recognized Authority on Corvair
> Powered Flight <http://www.flycorvair.com/>
and looking for yourself is much better than me trying to tell you about
it. So far I have noticed one or two Foxers who are interested. I've
sent a firewall layout to WW hoping he will have time to look at it to
get an idea of how to attach the engine to my fire wall. He's pretty
busy. Anyway for your consideration. Norm
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| Subject: | [ Michael Gibbs ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Is that the Jolly green Giant holding that panel? Or is that a miniature
mock up?
-----Original Message-----
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
My understanding is the orange silica free GM attacks the silicone on their
intake gaskets. I changed to the Havoline Dex Cool in my 532 and my EA81
before I heard from a radiator shop to get it out of anything you own.
For what it is worth I had a self proclaimed Rotax repairman say if it
mixes with oil it will gum up the bearings and wipe them out. I do know it
looks like thick black syrup in the oil of a GM. Not milky as the green
antifreeze. When you check your oil in the car you wonder why it is dirty
and overfilled not a color change.
I changed because the Europeans say they do not have the seal problems
on the 582 pumps with the silica free. Maybe that was a rumor started by
Haveline.
Dwight model ll
At 06:35 PM 2/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes:
>
>I've just pulled my radiator to clean the bugs out of it and before
>reinstalling and putting new anti-freeze in it I was wondering if any on the
>list have input on what is the best type to use with an aluminum engine.
>How often is considered optimum for changing it out? Can it be changed too
>often?
>All opinions welcome!
>Deke
>
>
>Deke,
> I use the "orange" Havoline Dex Cool even thou I've read some bad
> things
>about it. I change it at least once a year and most the time, twice. Every
>time the weather goes from hot to cold and again back from cold to hot. I
>normally increased the water content for the summer months from 50/50 to
>70/30
>(water/antifreeze).
> I welcome a good discussion on this topic. What about the Dex Cool for
>GM engines? It meets all the criteria for alum engines but have read where
>the stuff has caused problems in GM engines. On the other hand, the stuff
>would sit a lot longer in a GM car than in my Fox.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Try Evans web site. Water free coolant and decide for yourself.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 2/12/2005 10:02:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
turboflyer@comcast.net writes:
Try Evans web site. Water free coolant and decide for yourself
I went to the site and took a gander....No offense, but what I decided was,
a Company that is trying to sell a product and I couldn't find a single
comment that was "against" the product. I'm not yet ready to pour some magic
juice in my aircraft engine.
I did not take time to read it carefully but, it looked like it was
referring to mostly, " Keeps things cool". None of that speaks to "lubricating"
my precious parts and, the compatibility with alum/rotary valves, etc.
There are too many quick fix additives on the market these days and I'm
not going to start putting them in my engine. Having said that, I admit, I
did not study this product and it might be the best thing since sliced bread.
Right now, I would like to see a good standard antifreeze solution. In the
mean time, I'll stick with Havoline Dex Cool and change twice a year.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
What does NSI suggest for the Subaru EA-81?
I was told by another Subaru owner that the orange GM
stuff was acceptable......maybe I should call NSI......
Jeff Smathers
greg edson wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: greg edson <gedsons@yahoo.com>
>
> i believe the safest antifreeze to use would be the stuff honda motorcycle dealers
sell for goldwings, etc. when goldwing owners put automotive antifreeze
in their bikes they start tearing up water pumps and other expensive bits. the
honda antifreeze does not include the silicates that some antifreeze manufacturers
boast about in their advertising. silicates are basically sand that blasts
the cooling system clean internally. unfortunately it also blasts softer metals.
i would change it once per year. please dispose of it properly, it is harmful
to living creatures.
>
> Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Fox5flyer"
>
> I've just pulled my radiator to clean the bugs out of it and before
> reinstalling and putting new anti-freeze in it I was wondering if any on the
> list have input on what is the best type to use with an aluminum engine.
> How often is considered optimum for changing it out? Can it be changed too
> often?
> All opinions welcome!
> Deke
> S5/NSI/CAP
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
I welcome a good discussion on this topic. What about the Dex Cool for
GM engines? It meets all the criteria for alum engines but have read where
the stuff has caused problems in GM engines. On the other hand, the stuff
would sit a lot longer in a GM car than in my Fox.
Helo the problem with DEX COOL is when it gets overheated it turns to gum
so do not overheat your engine and if you get a head leak where the coolant
is going into the engine then it will ruin your needle rod and main
bearings real quick because it gums up and does not lubricate at all . I am
running the good green stuff and have not had a problem at all since going
to a new engine and the new engines have a ceramic seal in them on the
rotary valve .
Just my 2 cents worth
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Deke,
I am not sure which is the best, but I know you can
change it too often. Antifreeze is somewhat opposite
of oil in this. Oil breaks down and loads up with
pollutants rather quickly over time. It becomes
acidic too. That is why it is good to change it with
calander time as well as engine time, 90 days being
suggested if you haven't run it much.
Antifreeze comes not quite pure and sets up
electrolosis when fresh. This causes corrosion. Over
time the small impurities are used up and the
corrosion stops, so it is better with a little aging.
The amount of corrosion is slight and goes away
quickly, but begins again every time you change it.
On the other hand, it takes longer for the antifreeze
to weaken with age than oil, since it isn't exposed to
combustion gasses.
So the bottom line is that manufacturers suggest 2
years between changes. Sorter and you get more
corrosion. Longer and you get more breakdown.
That is my understanding of it.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI with the Green cooling stuff
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> I've just pulled my radiator to clean the bugs out
> of it and before reinstalling and putting new
> anti-freeze in it I was wondering if any on the
> list have input on what is the best type to use with
> an aluminum engine.
> How often is considered optimum for changing it out?
> Can it be changed too often?
> All opinions welcome!
> Deke
> S5/NSI/CAP
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