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1. 01:15 AM - SV: QNH (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:31 AM - Re: SV: QNH (DPREMGOOD@aol.com)
3. 06:30 AM - used KF (John Larsen)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: used KF (Steve Magdic)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: used KF (Fox5flyer)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: used KF (Randy Daughenbaugh)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: used KF (Giovanni Day)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: QNH: WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Michael Gibbs)
9. 09:45 AM - Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Harris, Robert)
10. 10:36 AM - Re: SV: QNH (Michel Verheughe)
11. 12:38 PM - Oil? (Jose M. Toro)
12. 12:48 PM - Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Cloughley, Bill)
13. 12:51 PM - Re: Stall speed (Michel Verheughe)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: Oil? (Michel Verheughe)
15. 01:57 PM - Re: Oil? (Jose M. Toro)
16. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Glenn Horne)
17. 06:26 PM - Re: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Rick)
18. 06:46 PM - Re: used KF (Steve Cooper)
19. 06:50 PM - Model II 582 (Glenn Horne)
20. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Steve Cooper)
21. 07:07 PM - Re: Model II 582 (John Perry)
22. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Steve Cooper)
23. 07:14 PM - Re: Model II 582 (Glenn Horne)
24. 07:30 PM - Re: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Steve Zakreski)
25. 07:40 PM - Jab RPM, was Stall speed (Bruce Harrington)
26. 07:48 PM - Re: Model II 582 (Bruce Harrington)
27. 07:54 PM - Re: Jab RPM, was Stall speed (Rick)
28. 09:07 PM - handheld nav/com (GONER752@aol.com)
29. 09:26 PM - Re: handheld nav/com (John Perry)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
> Is it not QNE that is Standard Pressure 1013 hPa (29.92" Hg)?
Did I write something different, Doug? In that case, it was a typo because, yes,
I mean to say that QNE is the pressure at standard atmosphere.
Incidentally, when I teach meteorology, I ask, at the end of the course:
"Since transition level is always higher than transition altitude, which is for
most Norwegian airports, 7,000 ft; if you hear on the ATIS that "Transition level
is niner zero" when yesterday, it was "Transition level eight zero," does
it mean that, in the last 24 hours, the atmospheric pressure has fallen or risen?"
If they answer correctly, they are good! It took me some time to work this out
myself! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Michel,
That's what I thought.
Your question had me thinking for a while as well.... Is it higher pressure?
Incidentally, in North America our transition (QNH to QNE) is at FL180.
When the QNH for the area is below 29.92", the lowest usable Flight Level is
then FL190. This ensures at least 1000' separation between an altitude
(17000') and the Flight Levels.
Different methods, same result.
Regards,
Doug
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hello List;
I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes
Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark.
What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for
when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7?
Thanks
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Original condition inspection, current annual, complete engine and airframe logs
and damage history are the most important.
Builders logs and pictures would certainly be helpful and give the potential buyer
better piece of mind about the original
builders skill level.
Steve Magdic
N490PA
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From: John Larsen [mailto:jopatco@mindspring.com]
Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hello List;
I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes
Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark.
What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for
when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7?
Thanks
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Good topic. IMO it's all in the fit. First thing I look at with any Kitfox
is the fit of the cowlings, doors, and wing tips. Those things are easy to
see and it's a dead give away for how the rest of the airplane fits together
. If this items above show lack of regard for a precise fit, then the rest
of the airplane and what you can't see is probably the same.
Deke
>
> Hello List;
>
> I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes
> Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark.
> What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for
> when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7?
> Thanks
> John
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I worry about the life left in the fabric. Get the Fox out in the bright
sun and stick your head back behind the seats/baggage compartment and see if
you can detect any light coming through the fabric. If there are
inspection plates in the bottom of the wing, look in there. If you see some
light coming through, the fabric is not going to last long if the plane is
out in the sun very much. Recovering the plane is a big job!
I look forward to the article.
Randy
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Larsen
Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hello List;
I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes
Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark.
What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for
when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7?
Thanks
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
John,
As with any aircraft, is it flying and will the current owner demonstrate?
If the current owner is not willing to put his rear-end in it, maybe the
buyer would not want to either. Aircraft not flying will need to be
discounted by a big margin.
Giovanni Day
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Larsen
Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hello List;
I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes
Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark.
What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for
when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: QNH: WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Michel sez:
>Whenever I want to take off, I need to call the tower (not mine, but
>the neighbour one, we are under its CTR zone) and I am told "squwak
>one two three four, QNH is one zero two niner." And I have to read
>it back.
I think you're right, Michel, some confusion for folks in the U.S.
may come from the use of millibars/hectopascals in Europe but the
rest comes from the fact that our control towers do not use the term
"QNH" here. We would hear, "Squawk one two three four, altimeter two
niner niner six."
In the general aviation world (I'm referring to altitudes below the
transition altitude above which flight levels are used) we almost
universally set our altimeters to the adjusted sea level pressure so
that they read altitude above mean sea level and we have to be aware
of the elevation of the ground below us. Some airlines, however,
have established company policies of setting the altimeter to read
height above field elevation (i.e., when you touch down the altimeter
reads "0"). I'm sure arguments could be made both ways as to which
is "better".
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type
of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
DPREMGOOD@aol.com wrote:
> Your question had me thinking for a while as well.... Is it higher pressure?
Yes, as you fly from a low to a high pressure, you fly lower. Then, to make
sure there is still 1,000 feet separation, the transition level is going up.
> Incidentally, in North America our transition (QNH to QNE) is at FL180.
Wow! Quite a difference from here. I know that in higher altitude airports, the
transition altitude is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above
what we fly in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? BTW, although Norway is a mountainous
country, you can get everywhere staying under say, 6,000 ft. We don't have many
summits, only deep fjords dug by the glaciers.
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> We would hear, "Squawk one two three four, altimeter two
> niner niner six."
Interesting, Mike. So, there are many differences between the two sides of the
big pond. Is Canada the same as the US? Another difference is that you use 1200
as default VFR squawk code. Here, we use 7000. It is not too smart because when
approaching a controlled zone and the controller ask you to recycle to say,
1234, if you forget to set your transponder to stand-by when switching, you may
pass 7700, 7600 or 7500, which will cause mayhem on the secondary radar of the
controller. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-)
> universally set our altimeters to the adjusted sea level pressure so
> that they read altitude above mean sea level and we have to be aware
> of the elevation of the ground below us.
Yes, but there is another reason, in controlled zones: as you say, transponder
code and QNH come in pairs. That's because, with mode Charlie, your friendly
ATC guy reads also your altitude and that, for the sake of coherence, you need
to set your altimeter to what he will be reading on his radar screen. This, of
course, can't tell you if your altimeter is working correctly because your
transponder and altimeter are most probably on the same static port. If you
ask: "Radar and altitude check, please?" to the controller and you see that it
matches exactly what you read on your altimeter, you may still he way off the
real altitude. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-)
> Some airlines, however,
> have established company policies of setting the altimeter to read
> height above field elevation (i.e., when you touch down the altimeter
> reads "0"). I'm sure arguments could be made both ways as to which
> is "better".
Yes, what is called QFE. Over here, only gliders use that. And for one good
reason: The always come back to the same airfield as they departed from. Well
... maybe not always but they really try to! :-)
Also note that gliders use speed in Km/hour and vertical speed in meter/second.
That's an old tradition that comes from Germany, the land of the gliders.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
What oil are you using for your jab? Is it mineral or synthetic?
Jose
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
DPREMGOOD@aol.com wrote:
> Your question had me thinking for a while as well.... Is it higher pressure?
Yes, as you fly from a low to a high pressure, you fly lower. Then, to make
sure there is still 1,000 feet separation, the transition level is going up.
> Incidentally, in North America our transition (QNH to QNE) is at FL180.
Wow! Quite a difference from here. I know that in higher altitude airports, the
transition altitude is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above
what we fly in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? BTW, although Norway is a mountainous
country, you can get everywhere staying under say, 6,000 ft. We don't have many
summits, only deep fjords dug by the glaciers.
Michael Gibbs wrote:
> We would hear, "Squawk one two three four, altimeter two
> niner niner six."
Interesting, Mike. So, there are many differences between the two sides of the
big pond. Is Canada the same as the US? Another difference is that you use 1200
as default VFR squawk code. Here, we use 7000. It is not too smart because when
approaching a controlled zone and the controller ask you to recycle to say,
1234, if you forget to set your transponder to stand-by when switching, you may
pass 7700, 7600 or 7500, which will cause mayhem on the secondary radar of the
controller. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-)
> universally set our altimeters to the adjusted sea level pressure so
> that they read altitude above mean sea level and we have to be aware
> of the elevation of the ground below us.
Yes, but there is another reason, in controlled zones: as you say, transponder
code and QNH come in pairs. That's because, with mode Charlie, your friendly
ATC guy reads also your altitude and that, for the sake of coherence, you need
to set your altimeter to what he will be reading on his radar screen. This, of
course, can't tell you if your altimeter is working correctly because your
transponder and altimeter are most probably on the same static port. If you
ask: "Radar and altitude check, please?" to the controller and you see that it
matches exactly what you read on your altimeter, you may still he way off the
real altitude. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-)
> Some airlines, however,
> have established company policies of setting the altimeter to read
> height above field elevation (i.e., when you touch down the altimeter
> reads "0"). I'm sure arguments could be made both ways as to which
> is "better".
Yes, what is called QFE. Over here, only gliders use that. And for one good
reason: The always come back to the same airfield as they departed from. Well
... maybe not always but they really try to! :-)
Also note that gliders use speed in Km/hour and vertical speed in meter/second.
That's an old tradition that comes from Germany, the land of the gliders.
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19).
Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft
Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft
(8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)?
Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
... Bill Cloughley
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So I'm going to be
starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit
#19).
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
Should I just send
in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale
(8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88)
like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)?
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
Or is a new,
different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
... Bill
Cloughley
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Bruce Harrington wrote:
> Try to get the idle down to 600-700 rpm.
I can't get it that low, Bruce. If I try, the engine stops. There is a rumour,
nearly an urban legend, that Morten, in Norway, surprised the visiting
Australian Jabiru representatives, at Stavanger-Sola, by showing his Jabiru
2200 turning at 600 RPM. How is it done, I don't know but from what I read,
between 900 and 1,000 should work.
EMAproducts@aol.com wrote:
> Flying AOA will stop that problem, each approach will
> be same~~consistent ~The AOA will correct for the weight of the trolls :-)
I have no problem understanding that, Elbie, because stall occurs not at a
certain speed but a certain AoA. But before I can put the nose up to obtain the
said AoA, without climbing again, I need to bleed off my speed, don't I? And to
do that, I'll need my prop to turn slower.
Chenoweth wrote:
> I'm not sure I'd consider myself a fly by numbers type but I read Ed
> Kolano's series on flight testing homebuilts and was captivated by it and
> its great advice. I'd recommend this to anyone but especially to those
> doing flight testing.
Thanks Bill. I am sure there are many books I should read. I am so new to
aviation, I still have a lot to learn. Mind you, being on this list is already
very instructive!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> What oil are you using for your jab? Is it mineral or synthetic?
I use AeroShell 80, which is a non-detergent mineral oil, Jose. Due to your
Puerto Rico climate, you should use AeroShell 100. After 25 to 50 hours, we can
then change to W80 (W100) which is the detergent type.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
I'm happy to know that you are using mineral oil. Personally, don't like synthetic
oil.
...wonder how many hours of flight you have "scheduled" for tomorrow...in your
plane that now sounds like a plane...
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> What oil are you using for your jab? Is it mineral or synthetic?
I use AeroShell 80, which is a non-detergent mineral oil, Jose. Due to your
Puerto Rico climate, you should use AeroShell 100. After 25 to 50 hours, we can
then change to W80 (W100) which is the detergent type.
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Do it just as you say Bill. Light sports ,don't worry about that.
BTW Bill you still need the template for the windshield don't you.
I haven't forgotten it.
Glenn- Suffolk, Va.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
>
> So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I
> (kit #19).
>
> Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form
> 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for
> Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV
> for example)?
>
> Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
>
> .. Bill Cloughley
>
>
> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=GENERATOR>
>
> So I'm going to be
> starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit
> #19).
> <SPAN
> class=301284220-18022005>
> Should I just send
> in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill
> of Sale
> (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88)
> like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)?
>
> <SPAN
> class=301284220-18022005>
> Or is a new,
> different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
> <SPAN
> class=301284220-18022005>
> .. Bill
> Cloughley
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I do believe there is a thread or two on that on the list. How does water
get to the panel unless you don't have glare shield, and even then I am not
visualizing it very well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type
of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Airworthiness Certificate, Logbooks, Operating limitations, Registration. If
all that looks cool then start looking closely at the plane! :)
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Larsen
Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hello List;
I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes
Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark.
What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for
when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7?
Thanks
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Glenn Horne here.
I need to know what size thermostat some of you 582 drivers are using.
I have been told the 135* should be used and not the 165*. Any of you using
the small radiator without any flaps,doors,covers or what have you and
the engine runs fine? I have a Model II that just got the air worthy certificate
and afraid to
fly it because of the d-- engine. Some say 135* some say 165*. Static turns at
full throttle
is 6850. Exhaust gas 1150. Static rpm I was told by a power parachute driver should
be around
6200/6300.
Some of you experts 582 drivers jump in here and tell me what I need
to do. I'm like the guy with the Model 7 and no engine. Feel like selling it.
All help appreciated.
Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va-Model II 582
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour phase
I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA and
ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name)
either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for LSA
registration.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cloughley, Bill
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit
#19).
Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form
8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for
Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV
for example)?
Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
... Bill Cloughley
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So I'm going to be
starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit
#19).
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
Should I just send
in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of
Sale
(8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88)
like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)?
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
Or is a new,
different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
... Bill
Cloughley
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Use the 165 that is recommended and give the prop more pitch you do not want
more than 6200 static on the ground and no more than 6800 in the air wide
open if it goes over you are over revving the engine . I set mine now to
5600 static and get in cruise about 5850-6200 i like it it runs smooth and
gets better gas mileage. It will turn up 6800 still wide open but over
speeds real fast on the ASI.
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can get a Repairman's
certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work. As LSA you
will need to go to a school.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour phase
I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA and
ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name)
either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for LSA
registration.
Steve Cooper
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cloughley, Bill
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl@ciena.com>
So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit
#19).
Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form
8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for
Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV
for example)?
Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
... Bill Cloughley
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=GENERATOR>
So I'm going to be
starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit
#19).
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
Should I just send
in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of
Sale
(8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88)
like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)?
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
Or is a new,
different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft?
<SPAN
class=301284220-18022005>
... Bill
Cloughley
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
What degree of pitch do you have in the prop. to get 5600 static?
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
>
> Use the 165 that is recommended and give the prop more pitch you do not
> want
> more than 6200 static on the ground and no more than 6800 in the air wide
> open if it goes over you are over revving the engine . I set mine now to
> 5600 static and get in cruise about 5850-6200 i like it it runs smooth and
> gets better gas mileage. It will turn up 6800 still wide open but over
> speeds real fast on the ASI.
>
>
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PD
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
On the 4 (and likely the previous models) water can run down the outside of
the windshield, past the seal, and drip right onto the top of the avionics.
They changed all this on the model 5.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I do believe there is a thread or two on that on the list. How does water
get to the panel unless you don't have glare shield, and even then I am not
visualizing it very well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type
of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit?
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| Subject: | Jab RPM, was Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Michel,
I waited until I had about 70 hours on my Jab 3300 before I got serious and
worked on the idle. Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm
range. It just ticked over so nicely.
Before that, I had made an adjustment with out testing, and ended up
attempting to land with idle at 1450 rpm. I went by the turnout at 50 mph
on a short strip and the brakes did not slow me down! So mixture off, and
coast around the runway end onto the taxiway! Then I set it down to 900-920
for a while.
Anything over 900 rpm will definitely cause floating on landing in your fox.
Cheers,
bh
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
>> Try to get the idle down to 600-700 rpm.
>
> I can't get it that low, Bruce. If I try, the engine stops. There is a
> rumour,
> nearly an urban legend, that Morten, in Norway, surprised the visiting
> Australian Jabiru representatives, at Stavanger-Sola, by showing his
> Jabiru
> 2200 turning at 600 RPM. How is it done, I don't know but from what I
> read,
> between 900 and 1,000 should work.
snip> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Model II 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Glenn,
Where's Don Smytheeee? He became the 582 "expert"!
I used a 160-165F thermostat for at least 600 of the 800 hours I put on my
582. With the 135F thermostat, it cooled off too much on descents to land.
Not good for touch-n-go's. Radiator flap for winter.
Static rpm depends on your prop brand. Wood props, like GSC's, should be
5800-6200 static. That way the rpm at full throttle doesnt go much over 7K
when you do a diving fly-by. Add another degree of pitch and test run
static, then 1/2 degree until closer to 6000 rpm. With mine at 6000 static
on initial startup, it would then only do 5800 when warmed up and doing
touch-n-go's.
Hope this helps,
bh
> Glenn Horne here.
> I need to know what size thermostat some of you 582 drivers are using.
> I have been told the 135* should be used and not the 165*. Any of you
> using
> the small radiator without any flaps,doors,covers or what have you and
> the engine runs fine? I have a Model II that just got the air worthy
> certificate and afraid to
> fly it because of the d-- engine. Some say 135* some say 165*. Static
> turns at full throttle
> is 6850. Exhaust gas 1150. Static rpm I was told by a power parachute
> driver should be around
> 6200/6300.
> Some of you experts 582 drivers jump in here and tell me what I need
> to do. I'm like the guy with the Model 7 and no engine. Feel like selling
> it.
> All help appreciated.
> Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va-Model II 582
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| Subject: | Jab RPM, was Stall speed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Beta with power, guaranteed not to float. :) I know.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM, was Stall speed
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Michel,
I waited until I had about 70 hours on my Jab 3300 before I got serious and
worked on the idle. Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm
range. It just ticked over so nicely.
Before that, I had made an adjustment with out testing, and ended up
attempting to land with idle at 1450 rpm. I went by the turnout at 50 mph
on a short strip and the brakes did not slow me down! So mixture off, and
coast around the runway end onto the taxiway! Then I set it down to 900-920
for a while.
Anything over 900 rpm will definitely cause floating on landing in your fox.
Cheers,
bh
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
>> Try to get the idle down to 600-700 rpm.
>
> I can't get it that low, Bruce. If I try, the engine stops. There is a
> rumour,
> nearly an urban legend, that Morten, in Norway, surprised the visiting
> Australian Jabiru representatives, at Stavanger-Sola, by showing his
> Jabiru
> 2200 turning at 600 RPM. How is it done, I don't know but from what I
> read,
> between 900 and 1,000 should work.
snip> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | handheld nav/com |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com
I am in need of a radio in my mod 2.I've been looking at the handhelds
available out there and Sportys sp 200 seems to have some pretty decent features
for
the money. Anyone out there have any thoughts on this(or any other) radio
over another?Thanks in advance.
Greg G.
n375kl
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| Subject: | Re: handheld nav/com |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" <eskflyer@pld.com>
Buy the JHP 520 nav / com $299 or less on sale . I use mine in my kitfox
with 2 stroke and have no noise problems . with external antennae transmit
more than 50 miles tested by me and receive more than 150 miles while flying
at 100 AGL. I am using the warren gregoire headsets and intercom with it
with external 45 degree antenna mounted on the turtle deck . the nav works
awsome and has flip flop built in to toggle between present and last
frequency used . I have seen others and they do not work as well and have
lots of static problems .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
eskflyer@pld.com
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