---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/18/05: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:15 AM - SV: QNH (Michel Verheughe) 2. 04:31 AM - Re: SV: QNH (DPREMGOOD@aol.com) 3. 06:30 AM - used KF (John Larsen) 4. 06:49 AM - Re: used KF (Steve Magdic) 5. 06:55 AM - Re: used KF (Fox5flyer) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: used KF (Randy Daughenbaugh) 7. 08:11 AM - Re: used KF (Giovanni Day) 8. 09:10 AM - Re: QNH: WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report (Michael Gibbs) 9. 09:45 AM - Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Harris, Robert) 10. 10:36 AM - Re: SV: QNH (Michel Verheughe) 11. 12:38 PM - Oil? (Jose M. Toro) 12. 12:48 PM - Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Cloughley, Bill) 13. 12:51 PM - Re: Stall speed (Michel Verheughe) 14. 12:58 PM - Re: Oil? (Michel Verheughe) 15. 01:57 PM - Re: Oil? (Jose M. Toro) 16. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Glenn Horne) 17. 06:26 PM - Re: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Rick) 18. 06:46 PM - Re: used KF (Steve Cooper) 19. 06:50 PM - Model II 582 (Glenn Horne) 20. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Steve Cooper) 21. 07:07 PM - Re: Model II 582 (John Perry) 22. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes (Steve Cooper) 23. 07:14 PM - Re: Model II 582 (Glenn Horne) 24. 07:30 PM - Re: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Steve Zakreski) 25. 07:40 PM - Jab RPM, was Stall speed (Bruce Harrington) 26. 07:48 PM - Re: Model II 582 (Bruce Harrington) 27. 07:54 PM - Re: Jab RPM, was Stall speed (Rick) 28. 09:07 PM - handheld nav/com (GONER752@aol.com) 29. 09:26 PM - Re: handheld nav/com (John Perry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:24 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: DPREMGOOD@aol.com > Is it not QNE that is Standard Pressure 1013 hPa (29.92" Hg)? Did I write something different, Doug? In that case, it was a typo because, yes, I mean to say that QNE is the pressure at standard atmosphere. Incidentally, when I teach meteorology, I ask, at the end of the course: "Since transition level is always higher than transition altitude, which is for most Norwegian airports, 7,000 ft; if you hear on the ATIS that "Transition level is niner zero" when yesterday, it was "Transition level eight zero," does it mean that, in the last 24 hours, the atmospheric pressure has fallen or risen?" If they answer correctly, they are good! It took me some time to work this out myself! :-) Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:37 AM PST US From: DPREMGOOD@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com Michel, That's what I thought. Your question had me thinking for a while as well.... Is it higher pressure? Incidentally, in North America our transition (QNH to QNE) is at FL180. When the QNH for the area is below 29.92", the lowest usable Flight Level is then FL190. This ensures at least 1000' separation between an altitude (17000') and the Flight Levels. Different methods, same result. Regards, Doug ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:37 AM PST US From: John Larsen Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello List; I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark. What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: used KF From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" Original condition inspection, current annual, complete engine and airframe logs and damage history are the most important. Builders logs and pictures would certainly be helpful and give the potential buyer better piece of mind about the original builders skill level. Steve Magdic N490PA -----Original Message----- From: John Larsen [mailto:jopatco@mindspring.com] Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello List; I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark. What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:42 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Good topic. IMO it's all in the fit. First thing I look at with any Kitfox is the fit of the cowlings, doors, and wing tips. Those things are easy to see and it's a dead give away for how the rest of the airplane fits together . If this items above show lack of regard for a precise fit, then the rest of the airplane and what you can't see is probably the same. Deke > > Hello List; > > I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes > Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark. > What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for > when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7? > Thanks > John > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:22 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" I worry about the life left in the fabric. Get the Fox out in the bright sun and stick your head back behind the seats/baggage compartment and see if you can detect any light coming through the fabric. If there are inspection plates in the bottom of the wing, look in there. If you see some light coming through, the fabric is not going to last long if the plane is out in the sun very much. Recovering the plane is a big job! I look forward to the article. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Larsen Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello List; I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark. What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:32 AM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" John, As with any aircraft, is it flying and will the current owner demonstrate? If the current owner is not willing to put his rear-end in it, maybe the buyer would not want to either. Aircraft not flying will need to be discounted by a big margin. Giovanni Day -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Larsen Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello List; I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark. What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:54 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: QNH: WAS Jabiru/Kitfox3 report --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs Michel sez: >Whenever I want to take off, I need to call the tower (not mine, but >the neighbour one, we are under its CTR zone) and I am told "squwak >one two three four, QNH is one zero two niner." And I have to read >it back. I think you're right, Michel, some confusion for folks in the U.S. may come from the use of millibars/hectopascals in Europe but the rest comes from the fact that our control towers do not use the term "QNH" here. We would hear, "Squawk one two three four, altimeter two niner niner six." In the general aviation world (I'm referring to altitudes below the transition altitude above which flight levels are used) we almost universally set our altimeters to the adjusted sea level pressure so that they read altitude above mean sea level and we have to be aware of the elevation of the ground below us. Some airlines, however, have established company policies of setting the altimeter to read height above field elevation (i.e., when you touch down the altimeter reads "0"). I'm sure arguments could be made both ways as to which is "better". Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:40 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:01 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe DPREMGOOD@aol.com wrote: > Your question had me thinking for a while as well.... Is it higher pressure? Yes, as you fly from a low to a high pressure, you fly lower. Then, to make sure there is still 1,000 feet separation, the transition level is going up. > Incidentally, in North America our transition (QNH to QNE) is at FL180. Wow! Quite a difference from here. I know that in higher altitude airports, the transition altitude is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above what we fly in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? BTW, although Norway is a mountainous country, you can get everywhere staying under say, 6,000 ft. We don't have many summits, only deep fjords dug by the glaciers. Michael Gibbs wrote: > We would hear, "Squawk one two three four, altimeter two > niner niner six." Interesting, Mike. So, there are many differences between the two sides of the big pond. Is Canada the same as the US? Another difference is that you use 1200 as default VFR squawk code. Here, we use 7000. It is not too smart because when approaching a controlled zone and the controller ask you to recycle to say, 1234, if you forget to set your transponder to stand-by when switching, you may pass 7700, 7600 or 7500, which will cause mayhem on the secondary radar of the controller. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-) > universally set our altimeters to the adjusted sea level pressure so > that they read altitude above mean sea level and we have to be aware > of the elevation of the ground below us. Yes, but there is another reason, in controlled zones: as you say, transponder code and QNH come in pairs. That's because, with mode Charlie, your friendly ATC guy reads also your altitude and that, for the sake of coherence, you need to set your altimeter to what he will be reading on his radar screen. This, of course, can't tell you if your altimeter is working correctly because your transponder and altimeter are most probably on the same static port. If you ask: "Radar and altitude check, please?" to the controller and you see that it matches exactly what you read on your altimeter, you may still he way off the real altitude. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-) > Some airlines, however, > have established company policies of setting the altimeter to read > height above field elevation (i.e., when you touch down the altimeter > reads "0"). I'm sure arguments could be made both ways as to which > is "better". Yes, what is called QFE. Over here, only gliders use that. And for one good reason: The always come back to the same airfield as they departed from. Well ... maybe not always but they really try to! :-) Also note that gliders use speed in Km/hour and vertical speed in meter/second. That's an old tradition that comes from Germany, the land of the gliders. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:38 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Michel: What oil are you using for your jab? Is it mineral or synthetic? Jose Michel Verheughe wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe DPREMGOOD@aol.com wrote: > Your question had me thinking for a while as well.... Is it higher pressure? Yes, as you fly from a low to a high pressure, you fly lower. Then, to make sure there is still 1,000 feet separation, the transition level is going up. > Incidentally, in North America our transition (QNH to QNE) is at FL180. Wow! Quite a difference from here. I know that in higher altitude airports, the transition altitude is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above what we fly in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? BTW, although Norway is a mountainous country, you can get everywhere staying under say, 6,000 ft. We don't have many summits, only deep fjords dug by the glaciers. Michael Gibbs wrote: > We would hear, "Squawk one two three four, altimeter two > niner niner six." Interesting, Mike. So, there are many differences between the two sides of the big pond. Is Canada the same as the US? Another difference is that you use 1200 as default VFR squawk code. Here, we use 7000. It is not too smart because when approaching a controlled zone and the controller ask you to recycle to say, 1234, if you forget to set your transponder to stand-by when switching, you may pass 7700, 7600 or 7500, which will cause mayhem on the secondary radar of the controller. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-) > universally set our altimeters to the adjusted sea level pressure so > that they read altitude above mean sea level and we have to be aware > of the elevation of the ground below us. Yes, but there is another reason, in controlled zones: as you say, transponder code and QNH come in pairs. That's because, with mode Charlie, your friendly ATC guy reads also your altitude and that, for the sake of coherence, you need to set your altimeter to what he will be reading on his radar screen. This, of course, can't tell you if your altimeter is working correctly because your transponder and altimeter are most probably on the same static port. If you ask: "Radar and altitude check, please?" to the controller and you see that it matches exactly what you read on your altimeter, you may still he way off the real altitude. ... please, don't ask me how I know, ...please, don't! :-) > Some airlines, however, > have established company policies of setting the altimeter to read > height above field elevation (i.e., when you touch down the altimeter > reads "0"). I'm sure arguments could be made both ways as to which > is "better". Yes, what is called QFE. Over here, only gliders use that. And for one good reason: The always come back to the same airfield as they departed from. Well ... maybe not always but they really try to! :-) Also note that gliders use speed in Km/hour and vertical speed in meter/second. That's an old tradition that comes from Germany, the land of the gliders. Cheers, Michel Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:28 PM PST US From: "Cloughley, Bill" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19). Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? ... Bill Cloughley So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19). Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? ... Bill Cloughley ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:15 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stall speed --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Bruce Harrington wrote: > Try to get the idle down to 600-700 rpm. I can't get it that low, Bruce. If I try, the engine stops. There is a rumour, nearly an urban legend, that Morten, in Norway, surprised the visiting Australian Jabiru representatives, at Stavanger-Sola, by showing his Jabiru 2200 turning at 600 RPM. How is it done, I don't know but from what I read, between 900 and 1,000 should work. EMAproducts@aol.com wrote: > Flying AOA will stop that problem, each approach will > be same~~consistent ~The AOA will correct for the weight of the trolls :-) I have no problem understanding that, Elbie, because stall occurs not at a certain speed but a certain AoA. But before I can put the nose up to obtain the said AoA, without climbing again, I need to bleed off my speed, don't I? And to do that, I'll need my prop to turn slower. Chenoweth wrote: > I'm not sure I'd consider myself a fly by numbers type but I read Ed > Kolano's series on flight testing homebuilts and was captivated by it and > its great advice. I'd recommend this to anyone but especially to those > doing flight testing. Thanks Bill. I am sure there are many books I should read. I am so new to aviation, I still have a lot to learn. Mind you, being on this list is already very instructive! Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:15 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Jose M. Toro" wrote: > What oil are you using for your jab? Is it mineral or synthetic? I use AeroShell 80, which is a non-detergent mineral oil, Jose. Due to your Puerto Rico climate, you should use AeroShell 100. After 25 to 50 hours, we can then change to W80 (W100) which is the detergent type. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:34 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oil? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Michel: I'm happy to know that you are using mineral oil. Personally, don't like synthetic oil. ...wonder how many hours of flight you have "scheduled" for tomorrow...in your plane that now sounds like a plane... Michel Verheughe wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe "Jose M. Toro" wrote: > What oil are you using for your jab? Is it mineral or synthetic? I use AeroShell 80, which is a non-detergent mineral oil, Jose. Due to your Puerto Rico climate, you should use AeroShell 100. After 25 to 50 hours, we can then change to W80 (W100) which is the detergent type. Cheers, Michel Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:36 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Do it just as you say Bill. Light sports ,don't worry about that. BTW Bill you still need the template for the windshield don't you. I haven't forgotten it. Glenn- Suffolk, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cloughley, Bill" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" > > So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I > (kit #19). > > Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form > 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for > Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV > for example)? > > Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? > > .. Bill Cloughley > > > > > So I'm going to be > starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit > #19). > class=301284220-18022005> > Should I just send > in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill > of Sale > (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) > like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? > > class=301284220-18022005> > Or is a new, > different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? > class=301284220-18022005> > .. Bill > Cloughley > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:54 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" I do believe there is a thread or two on that on the list. How does water get to the panel unless you don't have glare shield, and even then I am not visualizing it very well. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit? ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:22 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" Airworthiness Certificate, Logbooks, Operating limitations, Registration. If all that looks cool then start looking closely at the plane! :) Steve Cooper -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Larsen Subject: Kitfox-List: used KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen Hello List; I am doing research on buying a used plane for an article in Kitplanes Magazine which will be written by Brian Clark. What things would you suggest that a prospective buyer should look for when considering the purchase of a used KF models 4 through 7? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:24 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" Glenn Horne here. I need to know what size thermostat some of you 582 drivers are using. I have been told the 135* should be used and not the 165*. Any of you using the small radiator without any flaps,doors,covers or what have you and the engine runs fine? I have a Model II that just got the air worthy certificate and afraid to fly it because of the d-- engine. Some say 135* some say 165*. Static turns at full throttle is 6850. Exhaust gas 1150. Static rpm I was told by a power parachute driver should be around 6200/6300. Some of you experts 582 drivers jump in here and tell me what I need to do. I'm like the guy with the Model 7 and no engine. Feel like selling it. All help appreciated. Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va-Model II 582 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:48 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour phase I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA and ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name) either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for LSA registration. Steve Cooper -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cloughley, Bill Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19). Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? ... Bill Cloughley So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19). Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? ... Bill Cloughley ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:28 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" Use the 165 that is recommended and give the prop more pitch you do not want more than 6200 static on the ground and no more than 6800 in the air wide open if it goes over you are over revving the engine . I set mine now to 5600 static and get in cruise about 5850-6200 i like it it runs smooth and gets better gas mileage. It will turn up 6800 still wide open but over speeds real fast on the ASI. John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:06 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" If you register the bird Experimental AB, you can get a Repairman's certificate so you can sign off your own annual and other work. As LSA you will need to go to a school. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cooper Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" If you register the plane as Experimental AB you will have a 40 hour phase I. If you register it LSA, You'll only have a 10 hour. Call OAK City FAA and ask to talk to Dick Aldridge or Mr. Edsel Ford. (Yep! That's his name) either one of these gentleman can point you in the right direction for LSA registration. Steve Cooper -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cloughley, Bill Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilots and Sport Airplanes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cloughley, Bill" So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19). Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? ... Bill Cloughley So I'm going to be starting the paperwork process soon for my Kitfox I (kit #19). Should I just send in the Aircraft Regisgration Application (AC Form 8050-1), Aircraft Bill of Sale (8050-2), and Affidavit of Ownership for Amateur Built Aircraft (8050-88) like any other amateur built plane (an RV for example)? Or is a new, different process because it's a Light Sport aircraft? ... Bill Cloughley ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:22 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" What degree of pitch do you have in the prop. to get 5600 static? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" > > Use the 165 that is recommended and give the prop more pitch you do not > want > more than 6200 static on the ground and no more than 6800 in the air wide > open if it goes over you are over revving the engine . I set mine now to > 5600 static and get in cruise about 5850-6200 i like it it runs smooth and > gets better gas mileage. It will turn up 6800 still wide open but over > speeds real fast on the ASI. > > > John Perry > Kitfox 2 N718PD > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:32 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski On the 4 (and likely the previous models) water can run down the outside of the windshield, past the seal, and drip right onto the top of the avionics. They changed all this on the model 5. SteveZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" I do believe there is a thread or two on that on the list. How does water get to the panel unless you don't have glare shield, and even then I am not visualizing it very well. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Robert Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:42 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM, was Stall speed --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Michel, I waited until I had about 70 hours on my Jab 3300 before I got serious and worked on the idle. Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm range. It just ticked over so nicely. Before that, I had made an adjustment with out testing, and ended up attempting to land with idle at 1450 rpm. I went by the turnout at 50 mph on a short strip and the brakes did not slow me down! So mixture off, and coast around the runway end onto the taxiway! Then I set it down to 900-920 for a while. Anything over 900 rpm will definitely cause floating on landing in your fox. Cheers, bh > Bruce Harrington wrote: >> Try to get the idle down to 600-700 rpm. > > I can't get it that low, Bruce. If I try, the engine stops. There is a > rumour, > nearly an urban legend, that Morten, in Norway, surprised the visiting > Australian Jabiru representatives, at Stavanger-Sola, by showing his > Jabiru > 2200 turning at 600 RPM. How is it done, I don't know but from what I > read, > between 900 and 1,000 should work. snip> Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:36 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Glenn, Where's Don Smytheeee? He became the 582 "expert"! I used a 160-165F thermostat for at least 600 of the 800 hours I put on my 582. With the 135F thermostat, it cooled off too much on descents to land. Not good for touch-n-go's. Radiator flap for winter. Static rpm depends on your prop brand. Wood props, like GSC's, should be 5800-6200 static. That way the rpm at full throttle doesnt go much over 7K when you do a diving fly-by. Add another degree of pitch and test run static, then 1/2 degree until closer to 6000 rpm. With mine at 6000 static on initial startup, it would then only do 5800 when warmed up and doing touch-n-go's. Hope this helps, bh > Glenn Horne here. > I need to know what size thermostat some of you 582 drivers are using. > I have been told the 135* should be used and not the 165*. Any of you > using > the small radiator without any flaps,doors,covers or what have you and > the engine runs fine? I have a Model II that just got the air worthy > certificate and afraid to > fly it because of the d-- engine. Some say 135* some say 165*. Static > turns at full throttle > is 6850. Exhaust gas 1150. Static rpm I was told by a power parachute > driver should be around > 6200/6300. > Some of you experts 582 drivers jump in here and tell me what I need > to do. I'm like the guy with the Model 7 and no engine. Feel like selling > it. > All help appreciated. > Glenn Horne-Suffolk, Va-Model II 582 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:41 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM, was Stall speed --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Beta with power, guaranteed not to float. :) I know. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Harrington Subject: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM, was Stall speed --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Michel, I waited until I had about 70 hours on my Jab 3300 before I got serious and worked on the idle. Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm range. It just ticked over so nicely. Before that, I had made an adjustment with out testing, and ended up attempting to land with idle at 1450 rpm. I went by the turnout at 50 mph on a short strip and the brakes did not slow me down! So mixture off, and coast around the runway end onto the taxiway! Then I set it down to 900-920 for a while. Anything over 900 rpm will definitely cause floating on landing in your fox. Cheers, bh > Bruce Harrington wrote: >> Try to get the idle down to 600-700 rpm. > > I can't get it that low, Bruce. If I try, the engine stops. There is a > rumour, > nearly an urban legend, that Morten, in Norway, surprised the visiting > Australian Jabiru representatives, at Stavanger-Sola, by showing his > Jabiru > 2200 turning at 600 RPM. How is it done, I don't know but from what I > read, > between 900 and 1,000 should work. snip> Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:15 PM PST US From: GONER752@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: GONER752@aol.com I am in need of a radio in my mod 2.I've been looking at the handhelds available out there and Sportys sp 200 seems to have some pretty decent features for the money. Anyone out there have any thoughts on this(or any other) radio over another?Thanks in advance. Greg G. n375kl ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:49 PM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" Buy the JHP 520 nav / com $299 or less on sale . I use mine in my kitfox with 2 stroke and have no noise problems . with external antennae transmit more than 50 miles tested by me and receive more than 150 miles while flying at 100 AGL. I am using the warren gregoire headsets and intercom with it with external 45 degree antenna mounted on the turtle deck . the nav works awsome and has flip flop built in to toggle between present and last frequency used . I have seen others and they do not work as well and have lots of static problems . Take care fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry kitfox 2 N718PD eskflyer@pld.com