---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/19/05: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: handheld nav/com (Kerry Skyring) 2. 03:59 AM - Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. (Fox5flyer) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: Model II 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 4. 05:16 AM - Re: Model II 582 (John Perry) 5. 05:29 AM - Re: handheld nav/com (Aerobatics@aol.com) 6. 06:38 AM - handheld nav/com (hausding, sid) 7. 07:49 AM - radiator flap (Chenoweth) 8. 08:46 AM - Re: handheld nav/com (Bruce Harrington) 9. 08:51 AM - Re: Model II 582 (Randy Daughenbaugh) 10. 09:54 AM - Re: radiator flap (Giovanni Day) 11. 10:24 AM - Re: SV: QNH (Michael Gibbs) 12. 10:48 AM - Re: SV: QNH (Brian Peck) 13. 10:49 AM - Re: Model II 582 (John Perry) 14. 11:55 AM - Re: SV: QNH (Fox5flyer) 15. 12:13 PM - Re: handheld nav/com (Victor W. Jacko) 16. 12:15 PM - Re: SV: QNH (Michel Verheughe) 17. 12:25 PM - Re: Jab RPM (Michel Verheughe) 18. 12:26 PM - sensenich prop on a 912/80 (Giovanni Day) 19. 05:16 PM - flaperon horn bearing on IV (Lynn Matteson) 20. 05:16 PM - Re: Jab RPM (Bruce Harrington) 21. 05:30 PM - Re: Jab RPM (Jose M. Toro) 22. 05:35 PM - Re: flaperon horn bearing on IV (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 23. 05:38 PM - Re: Jab RPM (DC91840@aol.com) 24. 05:42 PM - Re: radiator flap (Rick) 25. 05:50 PM - Re: radiator flap (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 26. 05:54 PM - Re: Jab RPM (DC91840@aol.com) 27. 07:39 PM - Re: radiator flap (Rick) 28. 10:07 PM - Re: Jab RPM (Bruce Harrington) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:41 AM PST US From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Greg wrote, >>I am in need of a radio in my mod 2.I've been looking at the handhelds Greg I have been using my Icom for over 20 years in an Auster with no electrical system. It's still going strong. Back then it was about the only one on the market and now the choice is much greater. Icom seem to have an excellent reputation. Kerry >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:30 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Same with the 5 Steve. No different. I've built both the 2 and 5 and both have the same setup. I don't know about 6 or 7. I used heavy duty aluminum tape and made a lip that follows the windshield all the way around so that any leakage past the seal drips down the side. It still gets inside the airplane, but not on any of the panel goodies. Best fix is to avoid parking outside or have a good cover made. deke > > On the 4 (and likely the previous models) water can run down the outside of > the windshield, past the seal, and drip right onto the top of the avionics. > They changed all this on the model 5. > > SteveZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" > > I do believe there is a thread or two on that on the list. How does water > get to the panel unless you don't have glare shield, and even then I am not > visualizing it very well. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris, > Robert > To: 'kitfox-list@matronics.com' > Subject: Kitfox-List: Weatherproof ideas? My cowling leaks. > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" > > > Rain drips into my instrument panel when I park outside. Is there any type > of rubber seal that will help weatherproof my cockpit? > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:05 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/19/2005 2:56:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, aerowood@mcsi.net writes: Hi Glenn, Where's Don Smytheeee? He became the 582 "expert"! I used a 160-165F thermostat for at least 600 of the 800 hours I put on my 582. With the 135F thermostat, it cooled off too much on descents to land. Don't agree with the expert thing but Glenn told me to kiss off and stay on my own side of the James River. When flying in 20 degree weather, mine still cools to the 135 degree range on decents (w/ 165 stat) even with both of the new radiator flaps closed completely. Still in the design stages to improve this. On the other hand, in 20 degree weather, I can cruise with both flaps closed and still not get over 165 degrees. In 40 degree weather, I get good positive control over temps with the dual radiator flaps. Future thought/goal would be to get rid of the thermostat altogether. It is a point of failure plus somewhat a restriction to water flow (IMO). I believe it was Torgeir that said he operates without a thermostat and covers the radiator during winter months. I think I will try that soon and see how the rad flaps handle this. Eager to see what 90 degree weather will do since the whole mod was for overheating in hot weather conditions. Don Smythe Classic IV W/582 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:13 AM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" I have the GSC 68" 3 blade . Set pitch at 27.5 " from edge of hub at 15 75 degrees about 45 inches of pitch. I am at 3324 . elevation . Take care fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry 582 c box 2.62-1 Kitfox 2 N718PD ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:18 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com My panel mount conked out so I bought a Icom A23 I am VERY happy with it.... Dave ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:08 AM PST US From: "hausding, sid" Subject: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" Dave, Have you considered insetting the little unit to the panel like a regular radio usually is? Have seen it done, and considering going that route myself...........like the cost and all the new features the little buggers have, plus the possibility of removing and using in my back pocket too. All the hookups and accessories allow for it to be used in the cockpit as a substitute so why not use it as the primary too! What say you? Sid ----------------- My panel mount conked out so I bought a Icom A23 I am VERY happy with it.... Dave ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:39 AM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" I've just about given up using strips of canvas to cover varying parts of my radiator and am looking for drawings or, if possible, a kit, for a cockpit controlled radiator flap. I have a 618 radiator with a 582 and the strip technique is just too inflexible. Ideally I'd like to install one that has the flap in the back but I'm not wedded to that idea. So, if any of you can help me out I'd be most grateful. Bill Albion, Maine ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:06 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Greg, I'm an ICOM liker. bh > I am in need of a radio in my mod 2.I've been looking at the handhelds > available out there and Sportys sp 200 seems to have some pretty decent > features for > the money. Anyone out there have any thoughts on this(or any other) radio > over another?Thanks in advance. > Greg G. > n375kl ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:37 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" I am at 3324 . elevation . Take care fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry 582 c box 2.62-1 Kitfox 2 N718PD John, Where are you located? Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:23 AM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Bill, Check this out. http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query -Show***HEL-E-052052052061054060-1283***-eProducts***-***shopping(directory) ***.ws4d?shopping/results(S).html Hope the link comes through. Giovanni Day Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chenoweth Subject: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" I've just about given up using strips of canvas to cover varying parts of my radiator and am looking for drawings or, if possible, a kit, for a cockpit controlled radiator flap. I have a 618 radiator with a 582 and the strip technique is just too inflexible. Ideally I'd like to install one that has the flap in the back but I'm not wedded to that idea. So, if any of you can help me out I'd be most grateful. Bill Albion, Maine ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:00 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs Michel sez: >...I know that in higher altitude airports, the transition altitude >is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above what we fly >in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? During flight testing on N728KF I took her to 17,500 feet and she was still climbing 300 feet per minute! I stopped there because she was not equipped for instrument flight rules, which is required in the Class A airspace at and above 18,000 feet in the U.S. The world certainly looked very small from up there...the sky was black and I think I could see the curvature of the earth! :-) Mike G. N728KF ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:51 AM PST US From: Brian Peck Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brian Peck You should see it from 70,000+ feet! Brian Peck USAF U-2 Test Pilot Kitfox V, IO-240 On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs > > Michel sez: > >> ...I know that in higher altitude airports, the transition altitude >> is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above what we fly >> in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? > > During flight testing on N728KF I took her to 17,500 feet and she was > still climbing 300 feet per minute! I stopped there because she was > not equipped for instrument flight rules, which is required in the > Class A airspace at and above 18,000 feet in the U.S. > > The world certainly looked very small from up there...the sky was > black and I think I could see the curvature of the earth! :-) > > Mike G. > N728KF > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:26 AM PST US From: "John Perry" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Perry" -------Original Message------- From: Randy Daughenbaugh Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model II 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" I am at 3324 . elevation . I am at Johnson Stanton County 2K3 . Just north of Liberal Ks and west of Garden City on hwy 160 . !0 miles from Colorado border in sw wind blowin no water flatland KS. Take care fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry 582 c box 2.62-1 Kitfox 2 N718PD John, Where are you located? Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:49 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Isn't that R+7 or something like that? Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Peck" Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brian Peck > > You should see it from 70,000+ feet! > > Brian Peck > USAF U-2 Test Pilot > Kitfox V, IO-240 > > On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs > > > > Michel sez: > > > >> ...I know that in higher altitude airports, the transition altitude > >> is higher than 7,000 but FL 180 (18,000 ft) is way above what we fly > >> in our Kitfoxes, isn't it? > > > > During flight testing on N728KF I took her to 17,500 feet and she was > > still climbing 300 feet per minute! I stopped there because she was > > not equipped for instrument flight rules, which is required in the > > Class A airspace at and above 18,000 feet in the U.S. > > > > The world certainly looked very small from up there...the sky was > > black and I think I could see the curvature of the earth! :-) > > > > Mike G. > > N728KF > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:43 PM PST US From: "Victor W. Jacko" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor W. Jacko" Hi, I have a Sport's handheld Nav/Com for sale at $175 shipping included. Unit includes headset adapter and leather holster. Vic Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Harrington Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: handheld nav/com --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Greg, I'm an ICOM liker. bh > I am in need of a radio in my mod 2.I've been looking at the handhelds > available out there and Sportys sp 200 seems to have some pretty decent > features for > the money. Anyone out there have any thoughts on this(or any other) radio > over another?Thanks in advance. > Greg G. > n375kl ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:27 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: QNH --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Michael Gibbs wrote: > During flight testing on N728KF I took her to 17,500 feet and she was > still climbing 300 feet per minute! Did you had an oxygen bottle, Mike, or did you just keep your breath? :-) > I stopped there because she was > not equipped for instrument flight rules, which is required in the > Class A airspace at and above 18,000 feet in the U.S. Ah! In Norway, microlights are limited to 10,000 ft. I'll never need a bottle. Well, not that kind of bottle, anyway! :-) BTW, here is a link to a page of our microlight club: http://jfs.no/album22.html You can see a "legal" night flight over south Norway. By mid-June, the night is so short that you can fly at 9,500 ft and still be in the legal "sun over 6 degrees under the horizon." Torgeir, on the other hand, lives so far north that he has the midnight sun. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:21 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Bruce Harrington wrote: > Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm > range. It just ticked over so nicely. What did you do, Bruce? How do you adjust the idle RPM? Today, I went flying. Well, I rather checked out my son on the new engine, as he did some touch and go, and I was watching the instruments from the right hand seat. I had previously reduced the idle by unscrewing the throttle arm's stopper half a turn. On the ground, the engine wasn't then making more that about 800 RPM but when landing, it was still around 1,100 - 1,200. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:06 PM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: Kitfox-List: sensenich prop on a 912/80 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Hello all, I am looking at putting a sensenich wood prop on my 912 classic 4 with speedster mods. Any one running the sensenich on a 912? If so what size and performance are you getting? Thanks. Giovanni Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:10 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson I'm getting ready to install the hinges for the flaperon horn bearing, and got to wondering what folks do if they go to the one-piece lexan turtledeck. Also, I've seen a later model, possibly a V, that didn't have the same camloc spacing as the IV, but did have the lexan t'deck, and no bearing. Did SS do away with the flaperon bearing on later models? I also recall speaking with someone who said not to bother with the bearing...what IS the right way to go? Lynn ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:12 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Michel, I cheated and put an AeroCarb on my Jab. Check the Bing literature anf Jab manual for how to adjust your idle. There should be a screw on the Bing. Cheers, bh > Bruce Harrington wrote: >> Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm >> range. It just ticked over so nicely. > > What did you do, Bruce? How do you adjust the idle RPM? > Today, I went flying. Well, I rather checked out my son on the new engine, > as > he did some touch and go, and I was watching the instruments from the > right > hand seat. I had previously reduced the idle by unscrewing the throttle > arm's > stopper half a turn. On the ground, the engine wasn't then making more > that > about 800 RPM but when landing, it was still around 1,100 - 1,200. > > Cheers, > Michel ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:13 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Bruce: Is it there any advantage with the Aerocarb? Jose Bruce Harrington wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Michel, I cheated and put an AeroCarb on my Jab. Check the Bing literature anf Jab manual for how to adjust your idle. There should be a screw on the Bing. Cheers, bh > Bruce Harrington wrote: >> Then I spent a day or 2 and got it into the 600-700 rpm >> range. It just ticked over so nicely. > > What did you do, Bruce? How do you adjust the idle RPM? > Today, I went flying. Well, I rather checked out my son on the new engine, > as > he did some touch and go, and I was watching the instruments from the > right > hand seat. I had previously reduced the idle by unscrewing the throttle > arm's > stopper half a turn. On the ground, the engine wasn't then making more > that > about 800 RPM but when landing, it was still around 1,100 - 1,200. > > Cheers, > Michel Jose M. Toro, P.E. Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200 "A slow flight in the Caribbean..." --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:12 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon horn bearing on IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/19/2005 8:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: I'm getting ready to install the hinges for the flaperon horn bearing, and got to wondering what folks do if they go to the one-piece lexan turtledeck. Also, I've seen a later model, possibly a V, that didn't have the same camloc spacing as the IV, but did have the lexan t'deck, and no bearing. Did SS do away with the flaperon bearing on later models? I also recall speaking with someone who said not to bother with the bearing...what IS the right way to go? Lynn, I don't have the one piece lexan but do have a one piece fiberglass (home fabricated). I simply cut slots in the fiberglass so they would fit down over the flapperon tubes. I have the flapperon bearings attached to the inside 4130 fuselage tabs with ball lock pins (also home fabricated and not the SS design). However, after hearing that the flapperon bearings weren't necessary on the model IV and above, I took out the ball lock pins. The bearings just sit there and aren't attached. Doesn't seem to matter. I have grabbed hold of the flapperon horns in flight and feel no flutter or unnecessary vibration. I'm basically flying with "no" flapperon hinges at the turtledeck. Having said that, I'm also flying with a 582 with max normal cruise of 90 MPH so I can't speak to higher speed Foxes. Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:57 PM PST US From: DC91840@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com Bruce: I also have a Aerocarb on my Jab 3300. Really like it. No float to worry about, uses gravity feed. I'm gittin around 4- 4-1/2 gal./hr.cruisin at 90/100 mph. climbing out at about 1000'/per min. with full fuel and me @230#. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:23 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" That link does not work at least for me. What is the contril device listed under. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Giovanni Day Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Bill, Check this out. http://store.leadingedgeairfoils.com/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query -Show***HEL-E-052052052061054060-1283***-eProducts***-***shopping(directory) ***.ws4d?shopping/results(S).html Hope the link comes through. Giovanni Day Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chenoweth Subject: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chenoweth" I've just about given up using strips of canvas to cover varying parts of my radiator and am looking for drawings or, if possible, a kit, for a cockpit controlled radiator flap. I have a 618 radiator with a 582 and the strip technique is just too inflexible. Ideally I'd like to install one that has the flap in the back but I'm not wedded to that idea. So, if any of you can help me out I'd be most grateful. Bill Albion, Maine ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:25 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/19/2005 8:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, turboflyer@comcast.net writes: That link does not work at least for me. What is the contril device listed under. It worked for me but did not give a picture or very much information (like size, etc). All that it gave is below. I think I like the idea of "sliding" louvers. Price sounds pretty good. I have more than that invested at $.50 per hour Don Smythe *********** Radiators Coolant Temperature Controller SKU: R5311 Price: $65.00 ____________________________________ Coolant Temperature Controller Experience faster warm-ups and control your coolant temperature in cold weather flying. Eliminates the need to use tape, cardboard, etc. to block air flow into your radiator. Sliding louvers are controlled with a push/pull knob by the pilot to keep coolant temperature within operating parameters. Popular on PPCs. Includes 8 ft. cable, instructions and mounting hardware. Weighs 2 lbs. SKU/Item#: R5311 Price: $65.00 READY TO ORDER ITEM R5311? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 PM PST US From: DC91840@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com Bruce: Sorry I didn't answer question on rpm's. I am idling at 500 rpm., nicely. Do not do this for long periods to keep heat down. Don C. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:29 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Don, Do have some pics of the sliding type. I would be interested in seeing how it works. Guess I could put my thermostat back in or rig up a big control valve. Guess I am a little worried about the valve getting stuck in the closed position, could happen with the louvers as well I suppose. I just need more heat in low power setting at economy cruise especially when it is cold out. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: radiator flap --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 2/19/2005 8:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, turboflyer@comcast.net writes: That link does not work at least for me. What is the contril device listed under. It worked for me but did not give a picture or very much information (like size, etc). All that it gave is below. I think I like the idea of "sliding" louvers. Price sounds pretty good. I have more than that invested at $.50 per hour Don Smythe *********** Radiators Coolant Temperature Controller SKU: R5311 Price: $65.00 ____________________________________ Coolant Temperature Controller Experience faster warm-ups and control your coolant temperature in cold weather flying. Eliminates the need to use tape, cardboard, etc. to block air flow into your radiator. Sliding louvers are controlled with a push/pull knob by the pilot to keep coolant temperature within operating parameters. Popular on PPCs. Includes 8 ft. cable, instructions and mounting hardware. Weighs 2 lbs. SKU/Item#: R5311 Price: $65.00 READY TO ORDER ITEM R5311? ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:27 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jab RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Jose, When I bought my Jab 3300 (back when they were $10,800!), Sonex was offering the AeroCarb. Manual mixture control I liked. Also let the Jab produce more power at full throttle. It seemed much smpler than the Bing. However, I have had a history of sticky and then stuck carb slides due to my carb being an early version. I now have updated parts, which includes every part except for the bell which attaches to the engine. Just did the first test run and flight on the new parts today, and it worked quite well. Even with the prior problems, I had accumulated close to 100 hours over 1.5 years. Check out the AeroCarb at http://www.aeroconversions.com/ Cheers, bh > Bruce: > > Is it there any advantage with the Aerocarb? > > Jose